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在 2017/9/17 在 AM2點50分, raphaelaguiar說:

Only when I first saw Notion I really understood how amazing this feature would be!

That's AMAZING!Thank you! 

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Has this been considered by the Evernote team?? This is a really useful feature for how easy it looks to be implemented.

-Pietro.

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58 minutes ago, pdoninelli said:

Has this been considered by the Evernote team??

Hi.  The page has been around for 3+ years and (currently) has 125 votes.  They will be aware of it.

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20 minutes ago, gazumped said:

Hi.  The page has been around for 3+ years and (currently) has 125 votes.  They will be aware of it.

Ok thanks for the reply!

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Yes please... and perhaps this should be combined with the feature request here- the very first comment mentions both bookmarks and "collapsible sections"  -which is exactly what we are talking about here!   If you combine these two feature requests, they would become the second most requested feature here... over 350 at the time of this writing (vs 424 for the current to request).  

Can they be combined... 

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3 hours ago, Luke Milton said:

Can they be combined... 

They could be, but why? They're different features, and therefore different feature requests.

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17 minutes ago, Luke Milton said:

Perhaps because the most popular comment at the very beginning of the request includes "collapsible sections" and that likely influences people.. it is why I voted that up

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Can we stipulate that it's generally a good idea to keep a topic's focus as narrow as possible? Simple inputs like votes lose meaning if they're applied to a topic that has multiple requests  or issues. Sure, topic drift occurs, but this seems like a good starting point to me. 

So the idea here is to generate new ideas to improve Evernote, and try to gauge interest in those new ideas. Feature request subforums here (like this one) offer the ability for forum users to vote on the original request and also individual posts in a topic. Oh, and other users can 'like' any other user's post. These are capturable / tabulable separately via the forum software.  But there's nothing guaranteeing that a popular reply (whether by vote count or likes) is actually topical -- often they are, of course, but it might also be a funny wisecrack too. Moreover, many forum users don't know about the voting stuff, hence the myriad posts whose content is mainly "+1", or just "great idea' or 'that wouldn't work for me' or whatever.. And then there are piggyback posts: "Yes I want that, and by the way, I want something else, too". So all in all it's a bit of a tangle -- there's raw data (votes, likes), and maybe they can automate collection of "+1's", but beyond that it's probably a bit of handwaving, but it means that actual people need to read the comments (and in the past, Evernote has assured us that all posts are read) and come to some at least partially subjective measure of how popular a particular request is. And they also need to collect information from duplicate forum requests and other sources (twitter, hangouts, etc.)

Not rocket science, for sure, but time-consuming. In my view, mashing unrelated suggestions together would seem to make things more difficult; if the intent is to make one of them more popular than other requests ("If you combine these two feature requests, they would become the second most requested feature here... over 350 at the time of this writing (vs 424 for the current to request") then that seems especially unhelpful.  Note that Evernote moderators do occasionally pile related posts together; I'm pretty sure that the old (and very popular) nested notebooks topic (https://discussion.evernote.com/topic/96180-nesting-multiple-notebooks-creating-sub-notebooks/) comes from several separate topics, for example.

Anyways, that's just my take on it. There's no actual rules, and posts won't get deleted or moderated, etc. But this is obviously a popular request (heck, I probably even voted for it), so Evernote has noticed it. But popularity isn't everything; from the text at the head of the forum:

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Use this forum to suggest great ideas for improving Evernote. It could be a little idea or a very big idea. Like someone else's idea? Vote on the idea, or provide a comment of your own. One thing to remember: popularity does not mean implementation. Our forums are one component of the decisions we make, and while a bunch of ideas have merit, we need to be selective and always balancing priorities. 

 

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While some of my other wishlist items are higher priority to me, I was thinking this might be useful for me

Use case:  I have templates I've created in Evernote, with blocks of text that are more instructional/illustrating/etc., but once I've copied the template (form), I'd like to hide that instructional text, because it's no longer the focus.  [I suppose I could delete it, after copying the template into a working document, but a collapsible section would work nicely.]

[But maybe this is all too workflowy / data capture vs a generic database to store random snippets of information]

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As example: OmniOutliner. 

I REALLY, REALLY, REALLY miss the 'text collapse' feature.

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6 minutes ago, Onnozel said:

As example: OmniOutliner. 

I REALLY, REALLY, REALLY miss the 'text collapse' feature.

Not sure you can 'miss' something that's never been available.  ^_^

As long as we're getting votes at the top left of the page here (141 now!) Evernote "should" be thinking about this...

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I use Evernote as my main study aid, and to revise effectively, I draft revision notes as a series of questions. It would SUPERCHARGE my learning if I was able to open and close (via a collapsible list) questions to show and hide the answers. It is laborious and less effective to link each question to another note or document so please develop this feature! Thank you!

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On 2/27/2018 at 8:38 AM, devlin_morrow said:

I use Evernote as my main study aid, and to revise effectively, I draft revision notes as a series of questions. It would SUPERCHARGE my learning if I was able to open and close (via a collapsible list) questions to show and hide the answers. It is laborious and less effective to link each question to another note or document so please develop this feature! Thank you!

Hi.

On a desktop,  create a template note for your questions and answers.  Question in the title,  answer in the body.  Apply a standard tag.  Export to ENEX.  Save the ENEX file somewhere safe.

Click the file to create a new standard note with the  right tag.  Add a new question and the answer.  Repeat as necessary.  Apply new tag(s) for new subjects if required.

Search on the main tag and sort the notes in any order.  Create a Table of Contents note.  This will contain a list of questions with links to answers.

Vary the tags and try other sorts to group questions differently.

Use the back and forward arrows in Evernote to get from questions back to the list.

How to create a table of contents with links to other notes

Just a suggestion...

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The Evernote representatives here have made this by far one of the most tone-def, defensive, adversarial forums I've ever experienced.  

I implore you to take us seriously. We're your power users. We don't want to leave your product, but we will if you force us to. Take a chance, listen to us! Take our money! Or we'll go somewhere else... Workflowy, OneNote, Notability. 

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9 minutes ago, David N - Research Analyst said:

The Evernote representatives here have made this....

This is a user discussion forum; no Evernote representatives have posted in this discussion

To indicate your support for this request, use the voting buttons in the top left corner of the discussion.

You can also participate in the discussion; such as identifying work-arounds

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8 minutes ago, DTLow said:

This is a user discussion forum; no Evernote representatives have posted in this discussion

To indicate your support for this request, use the voting buttons in the top left corner of the discussion.

You can also participate in the discussion; such as identifying work-arounds

The problem is that this has been requested years ago by hundreds of users, it seems very easy to implement, it is highly usefull and even with all this factors, no anouncement has been done by the evernote team through any channel, that I am aware of. Is there any channel that we can use to reach them? Maybe if we call and even post the code so they just paste it in the program they will add this feature.

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5 minutes ago, pdoninelli said:

it seems very easy to implement ...   even post the code so they just paste it in the program they will add this feature.

Please provide details.  Keep in mind Evernote's note format is a simple html base.
Here's the code base you are working with:  https://dev.evernote.com/doc/articles/enml.php

If Evernote had a $ for every post that says "it seems very easy" they'd have funds to implement such changes

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30 minutes ago, DTLow said:

This is a user discussion forum; no Evernote representatives have posted in this discussion

To indicate your support for this request, use the voting buttons in the top left corner of the discussion.

You can also participate in the discussion; such as identifying work-arounds

Case and point, Evernote Super Guru @DTLow -- thank you for adding nothing but more hostility.

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19 minutes ago, DTLow said:

Please provide details.  Keep in mind Evernote's note format is a simple html base.
Here's the code base you are working with:  https://dev.evernote.com/doc/articles/enml.php

If Evernote had a $ for every post that says "it seems very easy" they'd have funds to implement such changes

Here is an example that you can run and test. https://www.w3schools.com/howto/howto_js_collapsible.asp

It needs some javascript, there might be some challenges for the desktop version because I am not sure how would javascript be implemented in desktop version.

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2 hours ago, pdoninelli said:

Here is an example that you can run and test. https://www.w3schools.com/howto/howto_js_collapsible.asp

It needs some javascript, there might be some challenges for the desktop version because I am not sure how would javascript be implemented in desktop version.

So; it seems very easy to implement, except for the JavaScript... and CSS

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53 minutes ago, DTLow said:

 

So; it seems very easy to implement, except for the JavaScript... and CSS

In web I know all of those are doable HTML+JavaScript+CSS as in the example i sent but on the desktop I'm not sure what would be the code behind. HTML+JavaScript+CSS is just the web-front end languages. On desktop you would probably use C# with some content processing libraries, where you would need to add a similar logic to the one that the example does with JavaScript in the web scenario.

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17 hours ago, pdoninelli said:

In web I know all of those are doable HTML+JavaScript+CSS as in the example i sent but on the desktop I'm not sure what would be the code behind. HTML+JavaScript+CSS is just the web-front end languages. On desktop you would probably use C# with some content processing libraries, where you would need to add a similar logic to the one that the example does with JavaScript in the web scenario.

FYI Evernote uses the Chromium Embedded Framework (CEF) for rendering, across all platforms, I think. Not sure how it all hangs together, but eventually you'd need some place to store collapse state: the section of the note, and collapsed/expanded. Is that part of the note (collapsible sections persist with the note), or stored locally on the device? If it's persisted with the note, then you need some way in the note format to denote that, and it needs to comport with the ENML standard (Evernote format; https://dev.evernote.com/doc/articles/enml.php). So, some issues to keep in mind when theorizing about how Evernote might do this...

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22 hours ago, David N - Research Analyst said:

Case and point, Evernote Super Guru @DTLow -- thank you for adding nothing but more hostility.

I don't know about the imaginary Evernote representatives; I'm seeing hostility from Evernote Member @David N - Research Analyst

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5 minutes ago, CraigD said:

I have begun to research alternatives that would offer this feature

An Evernote Note can contain content of any format.
Check out word processing software like MS Word.

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31 minutes ago, CraigD said:

here's what I'm using as a compromise

Nice work-around.  I just use Word or Workflowy (whichever's most appropriate).  Hadn't thought of this.  They're all compromises unless and until Evernote rolls out their own option...

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I would vote for this, too. My team and I are heavy users of Workflowy. We have often commented that this would make an amazing addition to Evernote.

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+1 for folding paragraphs
I'm not using Evernote heavily (hence I've never bought the premium exactly because of the lack of this folding feature)...
I've resorted to using Textmate (or other code editors) that allow me to fold sections of text by simply wrapping them in a "/*    */"

--- Example of unfolded section
/* first line will always be readable
second line will be hidden
*/


--- Example of folded section
/* fist line will always be readable


@DTLow and @jefito
I think that a simple version would be possible to do it even just with CSS styling
I've created a sample without javascript here: http://jsfiddle.net/j5h4o2ad/25/

it would be awesome if Evernote considered extending the ENML with one or 2 more tags
like "en-folded" and "en-unfolded"
or if not possible, change the styling of the "area" tag

and to switch between one or the other, if actions / Javascript can't be inserted in the note content itself for security reasons,
it could be added on the window that holds the note, on the margin of the note, where in coding IDEs you normally see the number of the lines, and the folding triangles.

what do you think?

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6 hours ago, beltran said:

I think that a simple version would be possible to do it even just with CSS styling

Even simpler is the HTML Summary Tag.
It works on Evernote/Mac but not on other platforms

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18 hours ago, DTLow said:

Even simpler is the HTML Summary Tag.
It works on Evernote/Mac but not on other platforms

how does that work? can we insert the tag where we want in a note or it's only if the web page which we clip has the tag?
thanks

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2 hours ago, beltran said:

how does that work? can we insert the tag where we want in a note or it's only if the web page which we clip has the tag?
thanks

There's no UI.  I directly edit the enml/html code with a text editor

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1 hour ago, DTLow said:

There's no UI.  I directly edit the enml/html code with a text editor

interesting... could you give a bit more details on the process please?
is it mac or windows?

I've open the content.enml file
(had to search by date inside of the hashed folder in
~/Library/Application Support/com.evernote.Evernote/accounts/www.evernote.com/6161906/content/2019AF79-87F5-49F4-96E5-F899B06B49B7,
unless you have a better option)

I've added the <summary> tag wrapping a list for example
but the folding functionality doesn't appear to be there

(I'm using EN Version 7.4 (456999 Direct))

thanks

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2 hours ago, beltran said:

interesting... could you give a bit more details on the process please?
is it mac or windows?

You've got the idea with editing the content.enml file.  I also access the note in Evernote and make an update so the back-end changes get uploaded to the server
Windows users can get a .enex file to edit by exporting the note

We can make simple changes to the code.  807542311_ScreenShot2018-09-05at08_05_49.png.f7349e3e58916d73e6258beb9bf8cdb7.png
The code I entered was

As I said, this actually works on my Mac, but not on other platforms

 

>>(had to search by date inside of the hashed folder in ~/Library/Application Support/com.evern... unless you have a better option)

I'm doing this a lot so I wrote a script to launch Finder with the correct folder.  Documented at 

 

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38 minutes ago, DTLow said:

You've got the idea with editing the content.enml file.  I also access the note in Evernote and make an update so the back-end changes get uploaded to the server
Windows users don't have a content.enml file to edit.  They can export/import the note.  This gives them a .enex file to edit.

We can make simple changes to the code.  807542311_ScreenShot2018-09-05at08_05_49.png.f7349e3e58916d73e6258beb9bf8cdb7.png
The code I entered was

As I said, this actually works on the Mac, but not on other platforms

 

>>(had to search by date inside of the hashed folder in ~/Library/Application Support/com.evern... unless you have a better option)

I'm doing this a lot so I wrote a script to launch Finder with the correct folder.  Documented at 

 

this is exactly what I did... I added the summary tag to a part of the text but it didn't work.

I checked that it was correctly updating adding other content to the note inserting it in the .enml file
and it was working

how is it's supposed to look when you fold / unfold inside of the evernote note?
do you have to assign a CSS style somewhere?
 

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22 minutes ago, beltran said:

this is exactly what I did... I added the summary tag to a part of the text but it didn't work.

I checked that it was correctly updating adding other content to the note inserting it in the .enml file
and it was working

how is it's supposed to look when you fold / unfold inside of the evernote note?
do you have to assign a CSS style somewhere?

I can't comment on list tags in enml/html, but this code works.  No CSS required

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58 minutes ago, DTLow said:

I can't comment on list tags in enml/html, but this code works

1399107184_ScreenShot2018-09-05at08_52_09.png.d32873a7f448f39736f467a3ebdac67f.png   392120581_ScreenShot2018-09-05at08_53_51.png.e86aaf74a5ac911f3355f7c475149cfa.png     396876995_ScreenShot2018-09-05at08_50_19.png.63badada57863fd2d6e31fa3029e15e0.png

 

🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉 yay! that works. Thanks a lot @DTLow

the important duo of tags is the <details> (which I was missing) and <summary>  
the <summary> tag will be visible when the section is folded


ah what a dream if the Evernote developers added this to the UI!! !!! :)

now onto your script to quickly open the note with finder ;)


 

<details>
  <summary> what you want to be visible when you fold </summary>
    any other content that you want
    <p> a paragraph </a>
	<ul>
	   <li><div>or a list</div></li>
	   <li><div>of whatever</div></li>
	   <li><div>you want</div></li>
    </ul>
</details>
  

 

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Moderators - please tag this thread with "feature request"   - thanks

 

+1 as well!!!

Many, many years of frustration that this hasn't been addressed yet. My thoughts from another related post...

 

I've been an Evernote user for over 9 years. I have over 6,400 notes, and use it heavily, on almost EVERY platform (windows, mac, android, iOS).  I use this tool constantly, and love it, but a basic tool like outlines for effective notes should be standard. Poor outline support has ALWAYS been frustrating, and I don't buy the answer many of the Gurus here have about going to an external tool. (Feels like a bit of Guru snobbery).  

As it still is today, after complaining many times for years, outlines are still a mess. They restart numbering arbitrarily, and often won't cleanly copy/paste from other tools (including, or at-least, Word). After this many years, Evernote shouldn't have these bugs, and it really should include standards like  I.1.A.a.i type indentation, ability to fix or restart numbering on a line, line movement, etc.

Expand/Collapse capabilities would be icing on the cake - absolutely awesome! But fundamental capabilities also must be addressed.

 

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Yes sadly, with the history of lack of innovation and the recent corporate leadership issues, I'm preparing for the worst with Evernote and looking into how to export to OneNote -- I mean do you guys realize how little I want to be using a Microsoft product?!

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40 minutes ago, David N - Research Analyst said:

I'm preparing for the worst with Evernote

I'm preparing for Evernote's continued storage of my notes and syncing to my devices.
I've seen no reason for any concerns, and look for a long future with Evernote.

I have no concerns with  exporting my data; the export feature runs weekly as part of my backups.

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