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20 minutes ago, gazumped said:

Hi.  The page has been around for 3+ years and (currently) has 125 votes.  They will be aware of it.

Ok thanks for the reply!

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Yes please... and perhaps this should be combined with the feature request here- the very first comment mentions both bookmarks and "collapsible sections"  -which is exactly what we are talking about here!   If you combine these two feature requests, they would become the second most requested feature here... over 350 at the time of this writing (vs 424 for the current to request).  

Can they be combined... 

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3 hours ago, Luke Milton said:

Can they be combined... 

They could be, but why? They're different features, and therefore different feature requests.

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17 minutes ago, Luke Milton said:

Perhaps because the most popular comment at the very beginning of the request includes "collapsible sections" and that likely influences people.. it is why I voted that up

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Can we stipulate that it's generally a good idea to keep a topic's focus as narrow as possible? Simple inputs like votes lose meaning if they're applied to a topic that has multiple requests  or issues. Sure, topic drift occurs, but this seems like a good starting point to me. 

So the idea here is to generate new ideas to improve Evernote, and try to gauge interest in those new ideas. Feature request subforums here (like this one) offer the ability for forum users to vote on the original request and also individual posts in a topic. Oh, and other users can 'like' any other user's post. These are capturable / tabulable separately via the forum software.  But there's nothing guaranteeing that a popular reply (whether by vote count or likes) is actually topical -- often they are, of course, but it might also be a funny wisecrack too. Moreover, many forum users don't know about the voting stuff, hence the myriad posts whose content is mainly "+1", or just "great idea' or 'that wouldn't work for me' or whatever.. And then there are piggyback posts: "Yes I want that, and by the way, I want something else, too". So all in all it's a bit of a tangle -- there's raw data (votes, likes), and maybe they can automate collection of "+1's", but beyond that it's probably a bit of handwaving, but it means that actual people need to read the comments (and in the past, Evernote has assured us that all posts are read) and come to some at least partially subjective measure of how popular a particular request is. And they also need to collect information from duplicate forum requests and other sources (twitter, hangouts, etc.)

Not rocket science, for sure, but time-consuming. In my view, mashing unrelated suggestions together would seem to make things more difficult; if the intent is to make one of them more popular than other requests ("If you combine these two feature requests, they would become the second most requested feature here... over 350 at the time of this writing (vs 424 for the current to request") then that seems especially unhelpful.  Note that Evernote moderators do occasionally pile related posts together; I'm pretty sure that the old (and very popular) nested notebooks topic (https://discussion.evernote.com/topic/96180-nesting-multiple-notebooks-creating-sub-notebooks/) comes from several separate topics, for example.

Anyways, that's just my take on it. There's no actual rules, and posts won't get deleted or moderated, etc. But this is obviously a popular request (heck, I probably even voted for it), so Evernote has noticed it. But popularity isn't everything; from the text at the head of the forum:

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Use this forum to suggest great ideas for improving Evernote. It could be a little idea or a very big idea. Like someone else's idea? Vote on the idea, or provide a comment of your own. One thing to remember: popularity does not mean implementation. Our forums are one component of the decisions we make, and while a bunch of ideas have merit, we need to be selective and always balancing priorities. 

 

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While some of my other wishlist items are higher priority to me, I was thinking this might be useful for me

Use case:  I have templates I've created in Evernote, with blocks of text that are more instructional/illustrating/etc., but once I've copied the template (form), I'd like to hide that instructional text, because it's no longer the focus.  [I suppose I could delete it, after copying the template into a working document, but a collapsible section would work nicely.]

[But maybe this is all too workflowy / data capture vs a generic database to store random snippets of information]

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As example: OmniOutliner. 

I REALLY, REALLY, REALLY miss the 'text collapse' feature.

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6 minutes ago, Onnozel said:

As example: OmniOutliner. 

I REALLY, REALLY, REALLY miss the 'text collapse' feature.

Not sure you can 'miss' something that's never been available.  ^_^

As long as we're getting votes at the top left of the page here (141 now!) Evernote "should" be thinking about this...

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I use Evernote as my main study aid, and to revise effectively, I draft revision notes as a series of questions. It would SUPERCHARGE my learning if I was able to open and close (via a collapsible list) questions to show and hide the answers. It is laborious and less effective to link each question to another note or document so please develop this feature! Thank you!

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On 2/27/2018 at 8:38 AM, devlin_morrow said:

I use Evernote as my main study aid, and to revise effectively, I draft revision notes as a series of questions. It would SUPERCHARGE my learning if I was able to open and close (via a collapsible list) questions to show and hide the answers. It is laborious and less effective to link each question to another note or document so please develop this feature! Thank you!

Hi.

On a desktop,  create a template note for your questions and answers.  Question in the title,  answer in the body.  Apply a standard tag.  Export to ENEX.  Save the ENEX file somewhere safe.

Click the file to create a new standard note with the  right tag.  Add a new question and the answer.  Repeat as necessary.  Apply new tag(s) for new subjects if required.

Search on the main tag and sort the notes in any order.  Create a Table of Contents note.  This will contain a list of questions with links to answers.

Vary the tags and try other sorts to group questions differently.

Use the back and forward arrows in Evernote to get from questions back to the list.

How to create a table of contents with links to other notes

Just a suggestion...

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The Evernote representatives here have made this by far one of the most tone-def, defensive, adversarial forums I've ever experienced.  

I implore you to take us seriously. We're your power users. We don't want to leave your product, but we will if you force us to. Take a chance, listen to us! Take our money! Or we'll go somewhere else... Workflowy, OneNote, Notability. 

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9 minutes ago, David N - Research Analyst said:

The Evernote representatives here have made this....

This is a user discussion forum; no Evernote representatives have posted in this discussion

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8 minutes ago, DTLow said:

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The problem is that this has been requested years ago by hundreds of users, it seems very easy to implement, it is highly usefull and even with all this factors, no anouncement has been done by the evernote team through any channel, that I am aware of. Is there any channel that we can use to reach them? Maybe if we call and even post the code so they just paste it in the program they will add this feature.

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5 minutes ago, pdoninelli said:

it seems very easy to implement ...   even post the code so they just paste it in the program they will add this feature.

Please provide details.  Keep in mind Evernote's note format is a simple html base.
Here's the code base you are working with:  https://dev.evernote.com/doc/articles/enml.php

If Evernote had a $ for every post that says "it seems very easy" they'd have funds to implement such changes

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30 minutes ago, DTLow said:

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Case and point, Evernote Super Guru @DTLow -- thank you for adding nothing but more hostility.

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19 minutes ago, DTLow said:

Please provide details.  Keep in mind Evernote's note format is a simple html base.
Here's the code base you are working with:  https://dev.evernote.com/doc/articles/enml.php

If Evernote had a $ for every post that says "it seems very easy" they'd have funds to implement such changes

Here is an example that you can run and test. https://www.w3schools.com/howto/howto_js_collapsible.asp

It needs some javascript, there might be some challenges for the desktop version because I am not sure how would javascript be implemented in desktop version.

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2 hours ago, pdoninelli said:

Here is an example that you can run and test. https://www.w3schools.com/howto/howto_js_collapsible.asp

It needs some javascript, there might be some challenges for the desktop version because I am not sure how would javascript be implemented in desktop version.

So; it seems very easy to implement, except for the JavaScript... and CSS

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53 minutes ago, DTLow said:

 

So; it seems very easy to implement, except for the JavaScript... and CSS

In web I know all of those are doable HTML+JavaScript+CSS as in the example i sent but on the desktop I'm not sure what would be the code behind. HTML+JavaScript+CSS is just the web-front end languages. On desktop you would probably use C# with some content processing libraries, where you would need to add a similar logic to the one that the example does with JavaScript in the web scenario.

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17 hours ago, pdoninelli said:

In web I know all of those are doable HTML+JavaScript+CSS as in the example i sent but on the desktop I'm not sure what would be the code behind. HTML+JavaScript+CSS is just the web-front end languages. On desktop you would probably use C# with some content processing libraries, where you would need to add a similar logic to the one that the example does with JavaScript in the web scenario.

FYI Evernote uses the Chromium Embedded Framework (CEF) for rendering, across all platforms, I think. Not sure how it all hangs together, but eventually you'd need some place to store collapse state: the section of the note, and collapsed/expanded. Is that part of the note (collapsible sections persist with the note), or stored locally on the device? If it's persisted with the note, then you need some way in the note format to denote that, and it needs to comport with the ENML standard (Evernote format; https://dev.evernote.com/doc/articles/enml.php). So, some issues to keep in mind when theorizing about how Evernote might do this...

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22 hours ago, David N - Research Analyst said:

Case and point, Evernote Super Guru @DTLow -- thank you for adding nothing but more hostility.

I don't know about the imaginary Evernote representatives; I'm seeing hostility from Evernote Member @David N - Research Analyst

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