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I think it's obvious, at this point, that Evernote users want the ability to select the default thumbnail for notes.  I agree that it seems ridiculous that this conversation started in 2013 and 4 year

REQUEST – It would be amazing to have a feature where an image can be selected, and when you right-click (ie, the same way you rotate it, etc.) there could also be an option to override the "largest s

I do like the new layout with larger thumbnails, except for one thing: Evernote seems to choose as thumbnail the largest image within a note. But it is rather annoying, for it seldom coincides with th

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This thread was started in July 2011 and we now have almost 2014. Has Evernote ever heard of agile software development??? Something smells here...

At a guess, they have heard of agile software development, and I believe that they practice some form of it (I don't know that they are true religious adherents, but frequent, semi-regular updates do give evidence for some agilistic process). Just a reminder, though -- the agile methodology doesn't tell you to implement all features that are desired; it just offers a way to deliver desired improvements in a more timely and continuous fashion, but doesn't specify which of those improvements are chosen or how they're prioritized.

On another note: let's everybody bring this discussion back to a more civil and constructive place, please.

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Just chiming in to add that I would also really, really like this feature. Been waiting for it for a year now. It would also be useful because sometimes when creating a note through the web interface on a slow connection, no thumbnail is created, and I would like to be able to create one manually later. Thanks!

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The requests for this feature have definitely been noted and I appreciate the spirited discussion!

 

Just as a point of reference, describing the complexity of this task as "small" or assuming that it would "only take half a day" is grossly underestimating the level of effort involved in modifying a database structure supporting 80 million users (and billions of notes) in a production environment :) Happy to discuss this further with anyone in a separate thread!

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The requests for this feature have definitely been noted and I appreciate the spirited discussion!

 

Just as a point of reference, describing the complexity of this task as "small" or assuming that it would "only take half a day" is grossly underestimating the level of effort involved in modifying a database structure supporting 80 million users (and billions of notes) in a production environment :) Happy to discuss this further with anyone in a separate thread!

 

Thanks for the reply! I definitely appreciate the complexity of making these changes. Glad to know that it's on your list, at least!

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The requests for this feature have definitely been noted and I appreciate the spirited discussion!

 

Just as a point of reference, describing the complexity of this task as "small" or assuming that it would "only take half a day" is grossly underestimating the level of effort involved in modifying a database structure supporting 80 million users (and billions of notes) in a production environment :) Happy to discuss this further with anyone in a separate thread!

 

Thanks, Jackolicious, for replying to this thread. Glad to know it's on the radar. I hope nobody is truly belittling the work necessary here, although I personally think the feature is important enough to justify the effort. :) As a software engineer working on a large-scale production environment, I understand the complexities involved. I'd like to think that this is primarily a user interface issue (since the thumbnail selection is already stored in the DB), and only the method of choosing (and changing) that thumbnail is what's being asked for. Nevertheless, I appreciate the work you guys do. Cheers!

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The requests for this feature have definitely been noted and I appreciate the spirited discussion!

 

Just as a point of reference, describing the complexity of this task as "small" or assuming that it would "only take half a day" is grossly underestimating the level of effort involved in modifying a database structure supporting 80 million users (and billions of notes) in a production environment :) Happy to discuss this further with anyone in a separate thread!

 

Actually, it would be really interesting to read an in-depth explanation of why this is so complex. I understand that you have billions of notes on your servers, but you won't have to adjust all those notes, if you allow the user to override your algo-determined thumbnail. I would be all ears to understand that problem better...

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The requests for this feature have definitely been noted and I appreciate the spirited discussion!

 

Just as a point of reference, describing the complexity of this task as "small" or assuming that it would "only take half a day" is grossly underestimating the level of effort involved in modifying a database structure supporting 80 million users (and billions of notes) in a production environment :) Happy to discuss this further with anyone in a separate thread!

 

Actually, it would be really interesting to read an in-depth explanation of why this is so complex. I understand that you have billions of notes on your servers, but you won't have to adjust all those notes, if you allow the user to override your algo-determined thumbnail. I would be all ears to understand that problem better...

You should probably take Jack up on his offer, and open a new topic.
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I am new to Evernote and this was the first feature that I noticed was missing. It's a deal breaker for me at this point. I was thrilled to find something I could use across platforms that met all my other requirements. It looks like I'll be back when the "fix is in." :)

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I found a a easy way to change the thumbnail in my iMac (sorry I don't use Evernote in Windows) I am using version 5.4.4 (402231)

Choose the image you want use as a thumbnail within Evernote by highlighting it (it becomes light blue).

Open with preview.

Resize the image and save the file.

In my experimenting I increased the image to150% of the original size.

But it does not affect how it is displayed in Evernote.

The thumbnail is immediately changed when the size fits the thumbnail algorithm described earlier in this thread.

 

I only tried this once. But I am sure this will solve this once and for all.

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YES  please!!!.  The largest smallest algorythm sucks for most of my notes.  It's fine to leave that as the default, but allow me to change WHICH image in a note is the thumbnail. Even if that editing ability is only in the desktop version.

 

PLEASE!!!!

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FEATURE REQUEST:
 

Default Thumbnail Generation:

  Position:  (*) Largest-Smallest    ( ) Whole Page
                   (  ) Specific:  [(*) Top   ( ) Middle   ( ) Bottom]  [(*) Left   ( ) Center   ( ) Right]

 

  Page:  (*) First Page   ( ) Last Page   ( ) Specific Page:  [   1] (or last if page count too small)
 

    [Apply to Future Notes Only]     [Apply to All Notes Now*]

              *Apply to All Notes Now may take a very long time.

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I have just been reading pages about this... quite unbelievable that Evernote should make such a mess up of something so simple as having a "Choose" featured image" - all Wordpress Blog posts have this it's very simple and if people don't choose one the program picks one, whether it uses some "largest, mines bigger than yours, tiniest"  consideration I neither know nor care.

 

I suspect the quote "You don't have to like it, but that's the way it is. (shrug)" from one of your evangelists is a very good indication of the Evernote attitude to it's customers and their requirements.

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I have just been reading pages about this... quite unbelievable that Evernote should make such a mess up of something so simple as having a "Choose" featured image" - all Wordpress Blog posts have this it's very simple and if people don't choose one the program picks one, whether it uses some "largest, mines bigger than yours, tiniest" consideration I neither know nor care.

I suspect the quote "You don't have to like it, but that's the way it is. (shrug)" from one of your evangelists is a very good indication of the Evernote attitude to it's customers and their requirements.

No, it's not simple. Clearly you overlooked this post (by a Evernote employee) in the thread....

The requests for this feature have definitely been noted and I appreciate the spirited discussion!

Just as a point of reference, describing the complexity of this task as "small" or assuming that it would "only take half a day" is grossly underestimating the level of effort involved in modifying a database structure supporting 80 million users (and billions of notes) in a production environment :) Happy to discuss this further with anyone in a separate thread!

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I've read some earlier posts about this problem, but I want to bring it up again and also offer another suggestion for a solution. 

 

I want to reiterate that it's really frustrating to not be able to choose a thumbnail photo. One of the things I use EN very heavily for is as a database of artists for my job. Each artist has a card and I like to have a photo of them and an example of their artwork. Both images are important to me and to the database's function, but it would be hugely helpful if the thumbnail for each card in snippet view was the artist's artwork, not their photo – since when I'm scrolling in that view it's the style of artwork I'm scanning for. 

 

I agree with the developers that the "largest smallest-dimension" algorithm does work a lot of the time, but it doesn't always, and it's a huge pain to try to resize images to get them in the correct ratio. I am super OCD about things like that and I've tried but actually have given up. 

 

I'm not suggesting a fancy option in the settings that creates a rule for how EN chooses the thumbnail – that sounds like way too much development work and I totally appreciate that (1) the thumbnail doesn't matter that much in a lot of cases and (2) it would cause a lot of issues with webpage banners, etc. 

 

My request is to create an option when the image is selected and right-clicked in desktop version (i.e. like how you rotate the image) that is something like "set image as thumbnail." I hope that this could be a good compromise solution to this issue that wouldn't pose the same difficulties as creating a series of complicated rules in settings, but would still allow users flexibility and control in selecting a thumbnail when it does actually matter a lot. 

 

Thank you! 

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I've merged the two threads you started. Please do not start multiple threads on the same topic. Thank you.

 

Sorry that was an accident! I retyped for nothing, bummer. On a train and the wifi is really shoddy.

 

You can just delete the first one that lost all its formatting etc. – I can't figure out how to do it. 

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Well it's been three years and this still isn't implemented and Evernote continues to pick the wrong thumbnail.  So is this going to be fixed any time soon?  I can't even seem to cut/copy an image from Evernote and paste it into an image editing program, so perhaps that can be fixed too. Seems odd to have a native app that fails the basic rules for a native app.

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Well it's been three years and this still isn't implemented and Evernote continues to pick the wrong thumbnail.  So is this going to be fixed any time soon?  I can't even seem to cut/copy an image from Evernote and paste it into an image editing program, so perhaps that can be fixed too. Seems odd to have a native app that fails the basic rules for a native app.

 

I guess that is called "agile software development" ;-)

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Well it's been three years and this still isn't implemented and Evernote continues to pick the wrong thumbnail.  So is this going to be fixed any time soon?  I can't even seem to cut/copy an image from Evernote and paste it into an image editing program, so perhaps that can be fixed too. Seems odd to have a native app that fails the basic rules for a native app.

 

I don't know which client you are using, but in windows you can rightclick any image and select "open with..." to choose an image editing program to edit the pic.

 

Also, EN does not pick the "wrong" thumbnail, it picks the thumbnail it is designed to pick. I would also like to choose my own thumbnail, but words are important, too. ;)

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Well it's been three years and this still isn't implemented and Evernote continues to pick the wrong thumbnail.  So is this going to be fixed any time soon?  I can't even seem to cut/copy an image from Evernote and paste it into an image editing program, so perhaps that can be fixed too. Seems odd to have a native app that fails the basic rules for a native app.

 

I guess that is called "agile software development" ;-)

 

Cute, but agile software development doesn't mean that all requested features are delivered...

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It's interesting.  The thumbnail in the Snippet view was the BIG thing Evernote promoted when the Snippet view was released, quite some time ago.  
 
But the problem is that their algorithm often doesn't select what the user would have selected to represent the Note.  Even Evernote/emerick admitted it's shortcomings:
 
 

I think we're reasonably happy with the algorithm we're using; they're all subject to false positives, unfortunately, but I think our algorithm ends up choosing a fairly representative image a lot of the time.


The problem is when the Evernote algorithm chooses an image that has nothing to do with the Note -- this is actually misleading and may cause the user to skip over that Note when he/she is visually scanning for a certain Note.

 

IOW, the thumbnail is supposed to HELP us find the Note we want, but in some cases, about 30-40% of my cases, it actually misdirects/misleads us.

 

That's why allowing the user to do a simple right-click on the image and select "Choose thumbnail" would be so great!

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I agree...

Professionalism >>

If the people behind Evernote handels customer feedback in a professional manner - Going through this tread, makes it very clear, that this issue has to be addressed.

If a code-designer - in an effort to address this issue - considers a change in 'algorithm' - to simply selecting the first image - to be a task too complicated, either the code is a complete mess, or the code-designer is no longer acting professionally...

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The Reason and the Why >>

I can only guess, as to what the possible causes for something like this might be, but imagine that whoever created the current 'algorithm', also promoted this idea in a discussion with his or her coworkers (since anyone using Evernote on a regular basis, would quickly notice this issue) - now that code-designer is emotionally involved in the final outcome of this discussion/request, and might regard a code-re-design, as a personal admission to failure.

I find it very hard to believe, that the main obstacles are technical in nature. For a problem - apparently going back several years now - I would have expected a post from someone within the company, explaining the obstacles involved in a re-design of the code or algorithm, in order to get some concrete suggestions to possible solutions, or at least reassure free-users and paying customers that an effort is being made.

Since a thorough & professional response - to the request of Change - has not been made, my best guess is that the obstacles are psychological in nature.

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Solution (The First Step) >>

The code-designing of the Evernote software, is probably divided into several teams, where each employee is designated an "area of expertise".

So bear in mind, that this discussion/request might very well be followed by only a few, or maybe just one Evernote employee.

Since this tread - at the moment - appears to result in nothing, the best way to improve the chances of a fix, would be to increase the internal awareness - of this tread and the Picture-Preview-Issue - within the Evernote Corporation, by sending a link to this discussion/request to different areas of support, and ask why nothing is being done >>IMPORTANT>> you should only send the link and the question one time, to each different line of support, and make it as Short as possible, don't spam, and keep it constructive...

The more Different people who do this, the better will the chances be, of creating a constructive internal pressure towards a fix, by increasing awareness, as to how many dedicated users (which you must be, if you read this far) actually recognize the current Picture-Preview-Function as inappropriate.

Overall, I think their services include many great tools for organising, research and sharing, and a possible fix to the discussed issue, would be a very useful improvement to Evernote.

Good luck (if you need it)

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I agree...

Professionalism >>

If the people behind Evernote handels customer feedback in a professional manner - Going through this tread, makes it very clear, that this issue has to be addressed.

If a code-designer - in an effort to address this issue - considers a change in 'algorithm' - to simply selecting the first image - to be a task too complicated, either the code is a complete mess, or the code-designer is no longer acting professionally...

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The Reason and the Why >>

I can only guess, as to what the possible causes for something like this might be, but imagine that whoever created the current 'algorithm', also promoted this idea in a discussion with his or her coworkers (since anyone using Evernote on a regular basis, would quickly notice this issue) - now that code-designer is emotionally involved in the final outcome of this discussion/request, and might regard a code-re-design, as a personal admission to failure.

I find it very hard to believe, that the main obstacles are technical in nature. For a problem - apparently going back several years now - I would have expected a post from someone within the company, explaining the obstacles involved in a re-design of the code or algorithm, in order to get some concrete suggestions to possible solutions, or at least reassure free-users and paying customers that an effort is being made.

Since a thorough & professional response - to the request of Change - has not been made, my best guess is that the obstacles are psychological in nature.

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Solution (The First Step) >>

The code-designing of the Evernote software, is probably divided into several teams, where each employee is designated an "area of expertise".

So bear in mind, that this discussion/request might very well be followed by only a few, or maybe just one Evernote employee.

Since this tread - at the moment - appears to result in nothing, the best way to improve the chances of a fix, would be to increase the internal awareness - of this tread and the Picture-Preview-Issue - within the Evernote Corporation, by sending a link to this discussion/request to different areas of support, and ask why nothing is being done >>IMPORTANT>> you should only send the link and the question one time, to each different line of support, and make it as Short as possible, don't spam, and keep it constructive...

The more Different people who do this, the better will the chances be, of creating a constructive internal pressure towards a fix, by increasing awareness, as to how many dedicated users (which you must be, if you read this far) actually recognize the current Picture-Preview-Function as inappropriate.

Overall, I think their services include many great tools for organising, research and sharing, and a possible fix to the discussed issue, would be a very useful improvement to Evernote.

Good luck (if you need it)

The requests for this feature have definitely been noted and I appreciate the spirited discussion!

 

Just as a point of reference, describing the complexity of this task as "small" or assuming that it would "only take half a day" is grossly underestimating the level of effort involved in modifying a database structure supporting 80 million users (and billions of notes) in a production environment :) Happy to discuss this further with anyone in a separate thread!

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Understood, but the post you're citing from "Jackolicious", is more than 5 months old... do you have any updated information on the current status, the main obstacles, and the - hopefully near - future forecasts/expectations regarding the Picture-Preview-Issue?

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Understood, but the post you're citing from "Jackolicious", is more than 5 months old... do you have any updated information on the current status, the main obstacles, and the - hopefully near - future forecasts/expectations regarding the Picture-Preview-Issue?

This is a users board. EN staff post occasionally. And EN does not publish their roadmap or ETAs.

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YES! This would be so helpful.  I use Evernote as a database to keep track of my sewing patterns.  Each note has a image of the front of the pattern (completed item picture), and the back of the pattern (words/numbers).  When the back of the pattern ends up as the thumbnail, it's pretty useless as a way to quickly browse through to see what I have.  Hopefully that explanation made sense.  It would be a lot easier to just pick which picture to have as a thumbnail than to have to manually go and resize images. 

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I also need this feature, please.

 

And to avoid this kind of thread, with a lot of misunderstanding, I think Evernote should publish their roadmap, so we can estimate what will be available in near future. And perhaps also add a votebox like Dropbox had before, to allow users to prioritize new features.

 

I'm now a paying customer, and as I really LOVE Evernote, I want it better, and I want to use it for more task than now 

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please do it!
I even interrupted  my paid subscription this year because of this problem.
I have 800 notes, and thumbnails for each of them are different on all my devices.
I'm tired, it's very difficult to perception!

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I guess that the guy who wrote the selection algorithm is so pissed off that people hate it that he blocks any change. Or he has left and the others have no clue how to fix it. Or they are lazy. Or they are stupid. Or they don't care. Or they are busy playing online games or having ***** in the office. Or they are watching Breaking Bad all day long. Or (well, make up your own reason).

 

Anyway, hell will freeze over before we will get that feature...

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I guess that the guy who wrote the selection algorithm is so pissed off that people hate it that he blocks any change. Or he has left and the others have no clue how to fix it. Or they are lazy. Or they are stupid. Or they don't care. Or they are busy playing online games or having ***** in the office. Or they are watching Breaking Bad all day long. Or (well, make up your own reason).

Cute, but the usual answer in the real world is that the folks who make decisions about what to implement don't see it as a high priority item. I suppose that could count as "they don't care" or "they don't care enough about the issue to change the behavior".

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Cute, but the usual answer in the real world is that the folks who make decisions about what to implement don't see it as a high priority item. 

 

In that case they are stupid since it is such an important and obvious feature and it beggars believe that it wasn't implemented from day one.

 

BTW, since when is listening to your customers a bad idea? Companies like Salesforce grow like gangbusters because they do exactly that. Others fall by the wayside...

 

Finally, I have never encountered a user forum where so called "Evangelists" defend each and every stupidity of a company. Really strange sect-like behavior here that even Apple can't match.

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Cute, but the usual answer in the real world is that the folks who make decisions about what to implement don't see it as a high priority item. I suppose that could count as "they don't care" or "they don't care enough about the issue to change the behavior".

 

 

Ah, yes, asking users is so tedious. 

 

My favorite response to this thread was early one when an apparent developer explained that Evernote selects the image with the "biggest smallest dimension."  HAHAHAHA.  

 

I plan to use that as a fantastic example of exceptionally poor human design. The analogy for bad machine programming would be writing code instructing the system to select the "coolest image."   B)

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Cute, but the usual answer in the real world is that the folks who make decisions about what to implement don't see it as a high priority item. I suppose that could count as "they don't care" or "they don't care enough about the issue to change the behavior".

 

 

Ah, yes, asking users is so tedious. 

 

My favorite response to this thread was early one when an apparent developer explained that Evernote selects the image with the "biggest smallest dimension."  HAHAHAHA.  

 

I plan to use that as a fantastic example of exceptionally poor human design. The analogy for bad machine programming would be writing code instructing the system to select the "coolest image."   B)

 

 

I don't recall 'tedious' being stated as to why they don't ask their users.  But clearly, EN does not see this as a high priority.  Debating why is pointless. 

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In that case they are stupid since it is such an important and obvious feature and it beggars believe that it wasn't implemented from day one.

 

BTW, since when is listening to your customers a bad idea? Companies like Salesforce grow like gangbusters because they do exactly that. Others fall by the wayside...

 

Finally, I have never encountered a user forum where so called "Evangelists" defend each and every stupidity of a company. Really strange sect-like behavior here that even Apple can't match.

I'm not defending Evernote at all, I'm just pointing out a reality of software development, or indeed, development of any product or service. You take request, mix them in with your own ideas, try to figure out level-of-effort vs perceived benefit, sort against other features, and lay them out against available resources. This article is an interesting read in that light, at least to me.  Please point out where I say that it's a bad idea to listen to your customers. It's always fair for users to make requests (and I believe that does Evernote listen), but those requests compete for resources with other users' requests, and Evernote's internal plans for their products.

 

For what it's worth, I see this feature as a nice-to-have for my use case, as opposed to "important and obvious", but that's independent of what I was saying when I replied to you.

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Here can read what Evernote is up to: http://www.fastcompany.com/3034378/most-innovative-companies/evernotes-secret-to-getting-free-users-to-pony-up

 

Talking about getting your priorities wrong...

The Market is hardly a secret, in fact it's a very profitable product line.

I don't understand why this is them getting their priorities wrong? For Evernote to be around for a long time, to continue making useful software it has to be profitable, Market contributes to this.

It's not like the Xcode developers are whittling the pen pots is it?

Whether you think the products are any good or decent value for money is a personal thing, but I very much doubt that the technical team are in any way affected by the Market with the exception of products like the scanner and moleskine that have proved to be very successful.

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Hello,

 

I had a lot of notes about "people", say an employee-database or the members of an organisation.

One picture and a lot of other data (birthday, telephone-number...)

I loved it, I had the data everywhere, on my Iphone, Ipad, PC..

One look at Evernote, and I saw the picture of the person, and his name in the thumnail form.

 

Yesterday, I added for every person a scanned report, and I can't see the pictures of the people, but a completely unnessesary report that is downsized to thumbnail format so that every report looks the same. 

Do I really have to resize all my pictures to get them on the thumbnail?

What a waste of time AND a waste of server-space.

I don't like that anymore. I'll search for an other program, bye bye Evernote.

 

How can smart people come to such an algorithm?

How does it come that it takes so much time (years) to "repair" such an obvious mistake??

 

I think it is time to write a few comments in IT-literature about this.

 

Best regards

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I'm with Yahenda on this point.

I've been watching this topic for over a year, with debates about "largest, smallest sides" etc. how anal can you get?

 

The issue here isn't complex; "set featured image", Wordpress can do it, Google+ can do it, FB can do it Twitter can do it, I can do it in an email, but EVERNOTE can't manage it??

 

Cumon guys you do unending updates for differences I cannot see, but something many customers want and no-one is going to argue against,?

Use whatever algorithms you want, it's hugely unimportant, BUT let me override them to say "I want to use this image"

 

Or do you really think so little of your customers?

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Jennifer Lawrence ?? who is Jennifer Lawrence ??

My nude piccies are of Bill Gates, Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi, and some guy called Obama something, or other,

but don't worry Evernote will never find them cos I cant set them as "featured image"

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This has been my main issue with Evernote since becoming a very early adopter. I am an artist and a designer and Evernote's visual aspect is part of what makes Evernote work for me over other solutions. Yet the inability to choose the thumbnail is completely at odds with this core nature of the app. In my experience, and from what I have read in how-to recommendations, using Evernote as frequently and deeply as possible is the way to get the most out of it. With a high volume of notes, trying to think about algorithms about "largest of smallest dimensions" of the images in the note is not possible. It is too confusing and and to open and resize all one's images, calculating a dimension strategy, would just take too much time.

 

I love TheBrain software; I think the system of forming relationships between notes/thoughts is very compelling and useful, and it has many capabilities and features. I also love the look of it. But the one reason I have a hard time using it as my primary note/thought repository is that the interface is, ultimately, not visual enough for me. I want to scan through my notes and see a visual representation, not just a title. Evernote is better on this score, even without the ability to choose thumbnails. But Evernote would be so much more successful with that feature.

 

Evernote, is there any chance you are working on the addition of this feature? I throw in my strong request that you do.

 

Please!

 

Thanks!! 

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I too need to select which of two images in my note are the thumbnail. I would also like to see the image chosen shrunk to fit the default thumbnail image and not see evidence of cropping. Or let me choose to crop or not to crop as long as you care about giving me thumbnail edit experiences. 

 

I have bought the evernote scanner... I'll be scanning over 13,000 art cards from FPG, Comic Images and the like. I've scanned about 6500 so far. Each card has a front and back image. In theory the size of the images should be the same as its just front and back of the same physical card as it rolls through the Evernote (Fujitsu) scanner. The outcome of which image is selected for the thumbnail in my experience with ties is just bizarre. The front of the card typically is the first image (assuming I correctly inserted the card stack in the scanner) and has an artistic image on it. The back image is text describing the image on the front along with a numbering schema. Obviously I would like the first art image to be the thumbnail. Alas, I'm stuck with all the other users who look at this situation in total bewilderment. Frankly all these images are also uploaded to Google drive and presented via Google plus and managed via Google picasa. Ultimately the tools in Picasa and Google Plus photos allow me to do what I need. Yet Evernote was so close yet so far away due to this feature. Presentation mode almost allowed me to do what I wanted but they insisted upon the header showing up when I don't want it to be part of the experience. Instead I rely upon the "Highlights" and "Show all" in Google Photo's to manage my presentations with or without the 2nd back side images. Weirdly I have to use Google Picasa to sort them the way I want them. Google drive itself is fubaring its thumbnail images soon with an update to default drive viewer experience that reduces the footprint(CROP) of the thumbnail somewhat similar to what Evernote does in cropping its "randomly" chosen thumbnail. The write answer is to shrink the users selected image to fit the predefined thumbnail size. Both Evernote and Google appear to be thwarting the ideal use of images for those who store artwork on their cloud depositories. Mainly I use evernote to tag my images for managing my collection rather than view it in Evernote due to these issues. 

Evernote, if you take presentation so seriously as to provide Premium with presentation mode then please for the love of the cosmos give us thumbnail control.

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It's getting increasingly frustrating that this is not an option. I use images extensively for art projects and the thumbnails are the quickest way to visually identify notes - however, as reference photos are added the thumbnail changes and identification becomes confusing.

 

Definitely a +1 from me!

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"Thumbnail override option" is definitely a LONG OVERDUE request.  

I am amazed (and frustrated) that apparently EN hasn't done a thing to address this obvious oversight.

 

I'm curious... perhaps Mac users on the forum could report back on whether the largest-smallest dimension can in any way be affected when one re-sizes  images inline. If so, would that not resolve this situation when the common editor rolls out to all platforms (if inline-image re-sizing is in fact part of the standardization)?

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I'm adding my two cents to this one, too.  I would LOVE to be able to choose the thumbnail.  As it stands, Evernote almost never chooses the thumbnail I would choose.  Which means the thumbnails are a DISTRACTION to finding the note I want, not a HELP.

 

If I could choose the thumbnail, when needed, it would be a HUGE HELP.

 

This exactly is what kept me from committing to Evernote as a premium subscriber.  The thumbnail selection is a distraction that can make it HARDER --not easier-- to find what I want.

 

This particular discussion has been going on for 3 years, so how has it not been a priority to come up with a way to override the automatic thumbnail selection with manual choice of thumbnail image that would actually let us associate images that we know will work for us with our notes?  Overall, Evernote is a great application, so I can't imagine incompetence is the reason... so I can only guess that its a continued, willful choice to force the built in algorithm to choose for us.

 

VERY amateurish effort in that regard, guys.  Please try to fix this. 

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+1 For letting allowing us to change the thumbnail.

 

Second issue, has the algorithm changed ? I was scrapping some webpages and I always get a thumbnail of the "unknown" face of the avatars instead of pictures from the article. I'm using the beta clipper for Firefox. Here is an example site where this happends: http://www.mash4077tv.com/2014/12/08/episode-spotlight-mail-call-again/

 

I even tried removing all avatar images from the note but the thumbnail remains.

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I'm a Mac user as well. I've tried too, doesn't seem to work for me either. 

 

Any word from Evernote on whether they are working on this? I'm debating finding another program to use as this is becoming too frustrating to deal with. 

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+1 For letting allowing us to change the thumbnail.

 

Second issue, has the algorithm changed ? I was scrapping some webpages and I always get a thumbnail of the "unknown" face of the avatars instead of pictures from the article. I'm using the beta clipper for Firefox. Here is an example site where this happends: http://www.mash4077tv.com/2014/12/08/episode-spotlight-mail-call-again/

 

I even tried removing all avatar images from the note but the thumbnail remains.

Just one more reason why a manual override selection should be possible.

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WOW!!!!

I decided to try Evernote after having abandoned the idea several years ago.

Within 15 minutes of starting to use it I began to wonder how I can change the thumbnail image represented on notes -- because web clippings are pulling in BANNER ADS to append to the note thumbnails.

Then I started reading all these threads about how people have been requesting this feature for several years and being ignored.

I'm done with Evernote now for good -- after a single hour of playing around with it.

 

Just thought I'd throw that in there. It typically doesn't take me long to reject apps based on completely stupid UI decisions -- and this is just another example.

I'm beyond shocked that the whole point of Evernote is to organize your notes -- and it doesn't even let you choose a thumbnail image???

I am a UI developer who maintains a very large web app. One of the features of this app is the ability to scrape content such as articles from sites and pull it into our system. We give our users a left / right arrow to CHOOSE which image represents their content instead of doing all this hogwash to have a ROBOT try and figure out what the user wants.

How about just let the USER choose what the USER wants to do? It is much simpler from a development standpoint AND makes the users happy too. We even let them CROP the damn images before they are imported into our system. I mean, this is standard fare, considering that's also how FACEBOOK works.

How the imbiciles who threw this app together can't figure THAT out just shows me this app will get on my nerves even more if I tried to use it for a week.

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Well, after looking at explanation of how the "largest smallest" dimensions determine which image becomes the thumbnail, it makes more sense from a development standpoint as that is a simpler approach than letting the user choose their image -- but from a usability standpoint -- who really wants to see a bunch of banner ads attached to their notes in the list views -- images that have nothing to do whatsoever with the content of the note?

I am still shocked that nobody has addressed this with users for the last 3 years people seem to have been asking for it.

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Whoa!  That was quite a leap, from irritation to outright rejection!  ;-)

 

I have accumulated nearly 9,000 notes, from 1997 when I started collecting digital notes on my Palm PDA.  Through those years I have been forced to use some pretty sorry software from major vendors.  Then I "went over to the white side".  I've used EN since 2011 and I've seen no reason to switch.  It has handled the heavy volume of data without a hiccup.

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LOL -- I guess I am passionate about good UI experiences. I am going to give it an honest try because I think the benefits outweigh the things that "irritate" me before I slam the door shut. There is no such thing as a perfect system that makes EVERYONE happy in every way, and developer should make that his/her goal either.

 

I'm a visual person and can agree with people in here who say being able to choose which image they'd like for the note will help them spot it in a list view (which is the whole point of having one).

It would not be hard, since they already scrape the content to find all the images in the first place -- to create an easy way for a user to simply choose which one to use, or disable it.

I know the goal of the "everything bucket" concept of having a place for "digital hoarders" to keep their stuff somewhat organized isn't to make eveything "pretty" -- but I think there's a wider benefit than being able to choose "eye candy" for your notes here.

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Oh, I agree completely.  This seemingly simple feature has been overlooked for too long.

 

Digital Hoarder?  Did you really say, "Digital Hoarder"??    Guilty as charged!   LOL 

 

Another peeve of mine is EN's inability to accept punctuation marks as valid characters in a search string, but that should be a different post.

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Yeah, the danger I see with this already is that while the desktops of several computers I use shall be clean, and my google drive less messy -- I'll end up with a digital closet that looks like an episode of "Hoaders" with this.

I ran into one glitch with copy / pasting some notes from a plain text file into an ever-note already but then on the plus side, I can already think of one scenario that would have been useful to me recently in regards to having quick access to some PDF files I typically need to find on their source web site(s) whenever I need to reference them, so I can see this being useful. I already keep most of my "notes" for things in a google drive, but this seems to be a step up from that.

 

I read a couple of lifehacker articles about things people are doing with EN that were a little bit outside of the box and it inspired me to give it another shot. I tried it a few years back and just couldn't get into it.

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I didn't take to it at first either, but on import EN swallowed my entire 8K note hoard quickly and smoothly.  Some others I tried, like SimpleNote, literally choked part way through.  Apple's Notes accepted all of my data but then the web interface would crash each time I tried to do a search.  EN is tough, and from what I've seen very careful with my precious data.

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Hi @RightPaddock,

 

Yes and no. It has to do with the "largest smallest" dimension, explained here:

 

https://discussion.evernote.com/topic/18482-choosing-a-thumbnail/

 

Yes... if you modify your images according to the above criteria. No... if you don't have the inclination to tinker with image resizing and trying to wrap your brain around meeting the requirements of the "largest smallest" dimension every time you want to select one image to be the image displayed in snippet/ card view from multiple images that come from multiple sources. 

 

Take clipping web pages with multiple images, for example. Imagine trying to set a thumbnail image for each, other than the one which already matches the "largest smallest" dimension criteria. However, if this is critical to you, and in certain use cases you can establish a simple workflow that is repeatable and takes the above into account, then the "largest smallest" dimension is your guiding light. That is, until  Evernote provides a way to manually select the desired image. Who know, it may be just around the corner :-)

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I used Springpad specifically for this reason and was very sad to move to Evernote when Springpad closed. Having thumbnails is very important to me.

 

I am a software developer and I can't understand in any programming and human logic why this much needed feature is taking so long to add!!!

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For what it's worth, I submitted a ticket on this.

 

I received a canned answer about how Evernote cares, but they don't know anything.

 

I find this issue to be a cruel and ironic trick.  Evernote, for the most part, has made a stellar and clean app that appeals to analytic and organized minds.  Yet, when it comes to this very simple and needed organizational tool, they fall short.  Pleasure spiked with pain.

 

In some cases, I'm tempted to go to such lengths as manually re-sizing my preferred icon image to have gargantuan proportions -- thus meeting the algorithm requirements.

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+1  This has been a frequent frustration.  

 

The fact that I've been a paid premium member for many years, does that make my vote any more important?

 

Please... you guys have done so much to make the application usable and responded to user feedback very effectively in the past.  This is the last thing for me (of course famous last words, but still...)

 

Thanks

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After checking this thread periodically for almost 4 years, hoping that Evernote would come around to addressing this design flaw, I have finally built my own work-around.

Now, I'm sure there are some involved in this discussion that would object to the term "design flaw", but this thread only exists because this many Evernote users agree with me; that software purported to keep and organize notes that then arbitrarily (or rather, formulaically) misrepresents the contents of those notes, has a flaw in it's design.

I don't know a lot about using Apple Automator, but I learned some just for this task... so be warned, if you have problems getting it to work, I may not be able to help so proceed with caution.

(Unfortunately, this work-around only works for the desktop Mac Evernote client, but of course, the changes you make will sync to all other platforms.)

 

These instructions seem lengthy and daunting, but they are extremely simple to follow and you should be up and running in less than 10 minutes.

1. Open Automator (located in Applications/Utilities)

 

2. Under "Choose a type for your document", select 'Service'.

 

3. In the first pulldown menu shown in the main window, beside "Service receives selected", choose 'image files'.

 

4. In the "Actions" column on the far left, choose 'Photos'

 

5. In the column immediately to the right, find the entry for 'scale images' and drag it into the main window.

 

6. In the box that just appeared in the main window, from the pulldown menu, select 'By Percentage' and type '200' in the text field to the right. (the 200 refers to enlarging the image by 200%, which usually does the trick to force the [curse word] 'largest smallest dimension' algorithm to recognize it, but you can fill in this value with whatever number suits you)

 

7. Go back to the "Actions" column on the far left and select "Utilities".

 

8. In the column immediately to the right, find the entry for 'Run AppleScript' and drag it into the main window, below the "Scale Images" item.

 

9. In the AppleScript window, select the bracketed text, including the brackets :

 

(* Your script goes here *)

 

 .... and replace that text with the following:

 

    tell application "System Events" to keystroke "o" using command down
    delay 1
    tell application "System Events" to keystroke "a" using command down
    tell application "System Events" to keystroke "c" using command down
    tell application "System Events" to keystroke "q" using command down

 

10. From the same "Utilities" column where you found the "Run AppleScript" item, grab the "Launch Application" item and drag it to the main window below the "Run AppleScript" item.

 

11. From the "Launch Application" pulldown, select 'Evernote'

 

12. Grab another "Run AppleScript" from the "Utilities" column, and select the bracketed text and replace it with:

 

    delay 1
    tell application "System Events" to keystroke "v" using command down

 

13. Finally, back once more to the "Utilities" column and grab "Move Finder Items to Trash" and drag it into the main window, below that last "Run AppleScript".

 

14. Save it: go to the File menu at the top, choose 'Save'... after you give it a name (I called mine "Evernote Image Embiggener") it should ask you if you want to install it as a 'Service', yes you do, so do it.

 

... if it doesn't prompt you to install it as a Service, then just save it to ~/Library/Services, then close Automator and then re-open it and cancel the template selection dialogues until you can select 'open recent' from the file menu... at this point it should offer to install it as a Service. If it still doesn't, well, move forward anyway with your fingers crossed... the worst that will happen is that it just won't work... but it won't wreck your system.
 

Now that the Automator service is in place, you can invoke it from the Finder menu under Services, but I made a keyboard shortcut for it:

 

In the System Preferences, Keyboard, Shortcuts menu... choose Services from the left, your Automator Service will appear under Pictures in the right column... assign a keyboard shortcut ... I used ⎇⌘C (Option - Command - c) ... you can use whatever you like.

 

NOW... here's the magic...

 

1. since Evernote won't let me use an Automator Service within the application (or I can't figure out what to tweak to make it work like other apps)... you have to take the image you want to use as your note's thumbnail image and drag it to your desktop (or any Finder window) to apply the service. I like to copy the image to the bottom of the note first, so that after it's enlarged, it won't disturb the formatting of the original note: right click the image, select "copy image" (not "copy) and press ⌘ - ↓ to go right to the bottom of the note and paste it.

 

2. Drag your ideal thumbnail image from the Evernote note to your desktop and make sure it's selected.

 

3. Run your keyboard shortcut or click Finder, Services and click your Service's name there.

 

DONE! You'll see Preview open for a second and then close, the image you had selected in Evernote will be %200 larger and the file you dragged to your desktop will have been moved to the trash!

 

To recap in brief:

 

1. Select thumbnail image in note

2. "Copy Image" to the end of the note

3. Drag that image to desktop

4. Run Service (either from Finder, Services menu or by shortcut)

Sigh and smile as your world starts to make sense again.

This has been "How to Train Your Elephant" by Yahenda
;)

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@Yahenda:  Thanks for sharing.

 

However, your process seems very complicated, given that you can easily scale the image (up or down) using the Mac Preview app.

Just right-click on the image in Evernote, and choose "Open" (or "Open with..." if Preview is not the default).  Then goto Tools > Adjust Size.  Choose "Percentage" in the dropdown, set to 200 (or whatever you like), click OK.  Then SAVE and CLOSE.

 

For details see http://support.apple.com/kb/PH5936

 

 

After checking this thread periodically for almost 4 years, hoping that Evernote would come around to addressing this design flaw, I have finally built my own work-around.

 

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Hey JMichael... you are absolutely right! It is ridiculously overcomplicated to set up... I AGREE! :D

...But the goal was to get the process as close to what most people in the thread seem to be asking for, which is approximately 'right-click image, make thumbnail'. After the setup is done (which I wrote out in full to both expose people to the power and relative simplicity of Automator, like I just was... and to make it available to everyone without having to host it or PM it out to people)... what you end up with (depending on your personal preferences) is right-click, drag, key-combo.

I also went to all the trouble to illustrate how important I consider this feature to the usability and workflow of Evernote.

Anyone else who wants to contribute to this idea, make suggestions or just throw 2 cents in, please do... Thanks for your input too, JMichael.

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@Yahenda:  Maybe I misunderstood how to use your automator tool.  Are you saying that after you have created the Automator service, all one has to do is right-click on the image in Evernote, and select "Make thumbnail" ?

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After checking this thread periodically for almost 4 years, hoping that Evernote would come around to addressing this design flaw, I have finally built my own work-around.

...

 

To recap in brief:

 

1. Select thumbnail image in note

2. "Copy Image" to the end of the note

3. Drag that image to desktop

4. Run Service (either from Finder, Services menu or by shortcut)

Sigh and smile as your world starts to make sense again.

This has been "How to Train Your Elephant" by Yahenda

;)

Omg! So much pain and suffering :blink:  

Ultimate suicide by evernote

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Yahenda, on 05 Feb 2015 - 09:20 AM, said:

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After checking this thread periodically for almost 4 years, hoping that Evernote would come around to addressing this design flaw, I have finally built my own work-around.

...

 

To recap in brief:

 

1. Select thumbnail image in note

2. "Copy Image" to the end of the note

3. Drag that image to desktop

4. Run Service (either from Finder, Services menu or by shortcut)

Sigh and smile as your world starts to make sense again.

This has been "How to Train Your Elephant" by Yahenda

;)

Omg! So much pain and suffering  :blink:  

Ultimate suicide by evernote

 

...unless you're a Windows user, in which case the world (of Evernote note thumbnails) remains a profoundly disorienting place  ;) .

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Thanks a bunch for sharing this work around Yahenda.

 

I will dust off my failing macbook pro and give this a go over the weekend.

 

Still dumbfounded that Evernote would rather sit on their hands and have people flood their servers with gigantic images, rather than add this simple feature.

 

I'm considering setting the image size to scale 900% just for the purpose of drawing attention to the problem.  Humongous files, here I come.

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I know, right?! What's worse... As I was tooling around working on this method, I discovered something that makes this whole ordeal even more ludicrous: you can resize the images in your notes already with a simple drag of the corner of a selected image!! ...you just can't make them bigger, only smaller! So the code for quickly resizing images already THERE! Gaah!

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Still dumbfounded that Evernote would rather sit on their hands and have people flood their servers with gigantic images, rather than add this simple feature.

 

I'm considering setting the image size to scale 900% just for the purpose of drawing attention to the problem.  Humongous files, here I come.

People can put pretty much whatever they want in their Evernote note database. Large images, small images, whatever. I don't see the problem, nor the relation to the actual issue here (choosing your note thumbnail, in case you weren't paying attention). But go ahead and punish Evernote with large uploads if you want -- it only counts against your own upload limit. And no-one else will know about it either, or care, for that matter.

 

And no, resizing images in the Windows client is actually not much of a big deal. You can do it with MS Paint even, or your favorite image editor.

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Really jefito, people are just venting their extreme frustration about an issue that should have been fixed long ago.

Posts like yours don't add anything nor help anybody.  If you don't like their frustrations, why don't you just ignore them??

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...go ahead and punish Evernote with large uploads if you want...

 

I'm not trying to punish Evernote with large uploads.  My hope would be that Evernote is using a variety of analytics.  That (possibly) an influx of large image files, or a higher percentage of accounts maxing out their upload limits, or meta data showing significant % increases, would get the attention of a decision maker.

 

Support requests and forum requests are not getting the attention of decision makers.  It's a testament to my frustrations, that I would be excited about a long shot idea like this  :)

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...go ahead and punish Evernote with large uploads if you want...

 

I'm not trying to punish Evernote with large uploads.  My hope would be that Evernote is using a variety of analytics.  That (possibly) an influx of large image files, or a higher percentage of accounts maxing out their upload limits, or meta data showing significant % increases, would get the attention of a decision maker.

 

Support requests and forum requests are not getting the attention of decision makers.  It's a testament to my frustrations, that I would be excited about a long shot idea like this  :)

 

My name is Jumoke and I approve this post!  B)

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Really jefito, people are just venting their extreme frustration about an issue that should have been fixed long ago.

Posts like yours don't add anything nor help anybody.  If you don't like their frustrations, why don't you just ignore them??

And your post is helping exactly whom? If you don't like my posts, why don't you just ignore them? You don't need to be the Forum Scold, you know...

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...go ahead and punish Evernote with large uploads if you want...

 

I'm not trying to punish Evernote with large uploads.  My hope would be that Evernote is using a variety of analytics.  That (possibly) an influx of large image files, or a higher percentage of accounts maxing out their upload limits, or meta data showing significant % increases, would get the attention of a decision maker.

 

Support requests and forum requests are not getting the attention of decision makers.  It's a testament to my frustrations, that I would be excited about a long shot idea like this  :)

 

There are certainly legitimate use cases for large-scale imagery (think aerial or satellite photography, for example). Do you really think that pumping large images into your account is going to magically make Evernote think "Gee, maybe we should offer thumbnail choice rather than our funky lest-smallest algorithm"?? I doubt that they'd make the connection, personally. Oh, the OCR might cough a little on the large files, but otherwise, I doubt that they'd take much notice -- it'd have to be a rather large influx to make much difference, with upwards of 100 million users.

 

Evernote staffers (they're often PMs) have certainly joined in the discussion here, so they're aware of the request (and I see it as a legitimate one, for the record). Buf if it's not high priority for them, it's not high priority. *shrug*

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Hang on here........  Something has changed..

 

My particular gripe is a list of my pathetic attempts to loose weight, where I posted a number of "before" images in my "undies" and then a diary showing my daily weights, now obviously whenever I access the note I don't wish to see the "old me" nearly nude, especially if I'm using it in the office or the Pub!

 

I added in my Gravatar image into the note, but really to make it bigger than a camera photo was a nonsense. so I kept having to open Evernote in private!

 

Suddenly when I look today - having re-visited this forum subject due to a flurry of recent posts - I find my Gravatar is now being displayed, both on the PC I use Evernote on and on the web version that I normally use....

 

I don't have an explanation for this, does anyone else?

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Hello,

 

CHOOSING the picture that is used as a thumbnail is what we all ask.

 

NO, WE ASK TO CHOOSE THE THUMBNAIL, not to change sizes.

That's adapting our work to a program that has a fault in its design, in stead of adapting the program to make our work easier and more intelligent.

 

 

Luk

 

Well said, Luk.

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I agree Luk.  Good synopsis of this thread.

 

I would also add...  It is common in most apps that use photos and thumbnails to also include a cropping tool.

 

I have done a lot of extra tedious work with Photoshop, cropping desired thumbnails and re-sizing these cropped images to gigantic proportions, all to trick the lame Evernote algorithm.

 

Thumbnail selection has become a user expectation.  I can't think of a single added feature more important than this.

 

Given the prevalence of these thumbnail features across all kinds of programs and apps, I figure it must be easy to implement.  It's a "low hanging fruit".  Knowing it's simple to do and that it has not been done, I conclude that Evernote has made an intentional design choice to avoid this feature.  I would really like to hear why.

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Sure -- choosing the thumbnail is certainly the topic here, not getting sidetracked into discussions of resizing images in Evernote (the subject of other, impassioned topics elsewhere in the forums).

 

Emerick from Evernote has certainly contributed, in this thread (see https://discussion.evernote.com/topic/18482-choosing-a-thumbnail/?p=92194 and forward) information as to what's going on with respect to how Evernote automatically chooses a thumbnail (like any rule of thumb *cough*, it's not perfect), but I don't recall ever seeing any explanation as to why they haven't implemented user choice of thumbnail. I'd be curious as to whether there is a technical or philosophical reason as to why they chose that, but beyond curiosity, leaving it at "just because" is good enough for me -- thumbnails aren't a significant part of my Evernote workflow. If they were, I'd just put a single image into notes where it mattered.

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In case anybody cares I think it's getting worse:

 

I'm testing the latest beta of the firefox web clipper and it prefers gravatars for the thumbnail instead of the "biggest image in the page", so now my article clips have nice blank avatars or strange faces instead of article relevant images.

 

I begin to suspect this user tormenting is part of some satanic ritual that all evernote developers are part of.

 

Though I intend to vote with my wallet, if this option will not be added I will not be renewing my subscription.

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