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Control Which Image Shown in a Note's Thumbnail/Snippet View


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I rather don’t think the thumbnail can be different for long on different devices. AFAIK the thumbnails are created on the server. If a new thumbnail is created, it will eventually sync to all devices.

We are just speculating about how thumbnails are created in the end. Knowing for sure does only EN staff, and they probably won’t tell.

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11 hours ago, PinkElephant said:

I rather don’t think the thumbnail can be different for long on different devices. AFAIK the thumbnails are created on the server. If a new thumbnail is created, it will eventually sync to all devices.

We are just speculating about how thumbnails are created in the end. Knowing for sure does only EN staff, and they probably won’t tell.

Well it's Been about 7 days since I found the thumbnail changed in the app.. And I can see at this moment that the thumbnail still hasn't changed on pc.. 

I will keep having a lookout for it.. If it ever changes on pc.. 👀

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15 hours ago, PinkElephant said:

AFAIK the thumbnails are created on the server.

Good evidence for this is that if you create a note in the desktop app while offline no thumbnail is created until you go back online.

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44 minutes ago, Mike P said:

Good evidence for this is that if you create a note in the desktop app while offline no thumbnail is created until you go back online.

This just doesn't explain why the desktop and the phone (both always online) show different thumbnails for 7 days.. I use evernote multiple times a day on the phone and at least 1 time a day on desktop..  If I ever find these thumbnails synchronized.. I will update you on the fact here.. 

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3 minutes ago, Tanja012 said:

This just doesn't explain why the desktop and the phone (both always online) show different thumbnails for 7 days.. I use evernote multiple times a day on the phone and at least 1 time a day on desktop..  If I ever find these thumbnails synchronized.. I will update you on the fact here.. 

True. I assume you are using V10 on all devices and not legacy on any devices. Once a thumbnail is created it is remarkably persistent. Therefore, if somehow you do manage to get different thumbnails on different versions, perhaps they will never sync.

A long time ago (early versions of V10) I routinely got different thumnails on the web and desktop. However it doesn't seem to happen for me anymore.

The web version is the closest there is to a definitive version of the note as it reads directly from the online database which syncs to all your other devices. It would therefore be worth checking the web version. If that is different from the desktop version you could refresh the desktop database and see if that is then the same as the web. To do that do file -> sign out XX and choose "remove my evernote data from this device". You can then sign back in.

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17 hours ago, Mike P said:

Here is another, relatively straightforward, workaround to change the thumbnail. I like to forward Kindle book receipt emails into EN. Unfortunately EN always chooses some marketing image, rather than the image of the book, to be the thumbnail. The workaround is to delete the other images and then simply duplicate the note. Although the content of the note is unchanged, EN regenerates the thumbnail. This has the advantage of not only being relatively quick but it also keeps the note meta data (e.g. creation date) unchanged.

Links TO the new, duplicate note will be lost, i.e. existing links will only refer to the orginal note.

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2 minutes ago, PitakM said:

Links TO the new, duplicate note will be lost

If it's a brand new note,  there shouldn't be any links.  But yes,  this is Evernote 101 - if you have created a link to a specific note,  you'd have to recreate the link when that note was duplicated.  Since they both should have identical titles,  finding it shouldn't be too hard...

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34 minutes ago, PitakM said:

Links TO the new, duplicate note will be lost, i.e. existing links will only refer to the orginal note.

You are absolutely right. But that is of course true for any workaround that involves creating a new note (e.g merging or simply copying and pasting). The workarounds are no where near perfect. What EN needs to do is to give us more control over which image becomes the thumbnail. This was an issue pre V10 and sadly EN have not chosen to address it yet in V10 and if anything have made it worse.

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Hopefully following this topic in search of a quicker solution. I'm using Evernote primarily to index sewing patterns and would really like to prioritise the photo of the finished garment and not a random bit of a PDF with a pattern piece on it.    Can see this has been a long term request though, just adding my numbers to the pile 

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3 hours ago, Noo said:

to prioritise the photo of the finished garment

As a matter of interest what are you currently doing?  Accepting the random images or copy/ pasting into new notes as above? 

If you haven't already tried it,  a longer method might be to create a Table of Contents note listing your patterns,  using a two-column table layout. Use the note link in one cell and add your preferred image in the cell next to it.

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I’m currently making a new note. Putting the photo in on its own and merging the old one in after it’s showing the correct image. If I remember which order to add new ones in it’s not too bad. I’ve sorted all the existing ones now (hot day in the Uk-nothing better to do) , but to be able to right click or somehow prioritise an image would be good. 

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56 minutes ago, Noo said:

hot day in the Uk-nothing better to do

I'm in S Wales,  currently rocking 33C and my main desktop has crashed from heat exhaustion.  Tell me about it!!

Edit (translating for the US) - 90F+ we Brits are unused to this!!

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Gee, 4 years and 9 pages of comments requesting this trivial feature, and it is still not implemented. No wonder I have lest Evernote behind, just wanted to check back if anything improved and if it's worth getting back to it, but no, same old same old.

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I was using the suggested workaround of adding the image I want for the thumbnail first and then waiting until it is "accepted" before adding any other images.

This worked fine (a bit annoying as I had to recreate a bunch of notes) up until the latest release on Windows 10.44.8.

Lo and behold, with no warning, not only does the first image in a new note not stay as the thumbnail as soon as another image is added, all of my old carefully created notes reverted to showing a different thumbnail.

Absolutely fantastic, So not only after 11 years of requests have EN not fixed the issue, they have now made it worse! Congratulations!

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On 9/12/2022 at 9:45 AM, craigmiles said:

not only after 11 years of requests have EN not fixed the issue, they have now made it worse!

The fact that the app doesn't do what you'd like it to is not thing that the company needs to 'fix' - you can request the feature be added,  and they may - or may not do so,  depending on how expensive and / or difficult it would be to change the system. 

Since this was never a bug,  they can't have made it 'worse' by adjusting the coding - the workarounds just used quirks of the system to get around a limitation.  The quirks got fixed - or maybe just moved.  If you really,  really must have your picture of choice as the thumbnail,  then either find an app that will do that for you,  or think of a way to work around Evernote's system. 

Top of my head - you could save your note contents in the cloud,  and just have a note with a link to the main contents plus your favorite image.

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22 minutes ago, gazumped said:

The fact that the app doesn't do what you'd like it to is not thing that the company needs to 'fix' - you can request the feature be added,  and they may - or may not do so,  depending on how expensive and / or difficult it would be to change the system. 

I would believe it wasn't a bug and was just a poorly designed function if it at least behaved consistently (always the largest image) but it does not. It shows different images on web vs. desktop and randomly replaces the thumbnail when you paste new ones in. I cannot believe someone made an intentional design decision to have it display a random thumbnail. I'm using a different app for this specific purpose until this is fixed.

I love EN for everything else, but this and lack of backup options are the two things I would change if I had a magic wand.

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12 minutes ago, philanon said:

if it at least behaved consistently

The web is a whole other can of worms due to the different sizes of image and page and display and zoom and browser...  Evernote (I'm sure it's said somewhere up here) chose one metric:  the image with the smallest long side would be the thumbnail.  It saves having some AI routine agonising over whether to show an image of Andy Warhol or a can of soup in a note about his art.  It's simple - and if you're prepared to delve into image management,  pretty hackable - just make your thumbnail smaller than anything else!

-And you can bet if someone said 'let the user decide' there'd be complaints about "why do I have to make this decision each time I save a clip".  Sometimes there really is no pleasing people...

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28 minutes ago, gazumped said:

-And you can bet if someone said 'let the user decide' there'd be complaints about "why do I have to make this decision each time I save a clip". 

Well, if they were to one day let the user decide, they should --of course-- just keep the randomness that it is doing now for a default for fun. Then people don't have to make the decision for every clip. 😃 

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On 9/14/2022 at 6:39 PM, gazumped said:

The web is a whole other can of worms due to the different sizes of image and page and display and zoom and browser...  Evernote (I'm sure it's said somewhere up here) chose one metric:  the image with the smallest long side would be the thumbnail.  It saves having some AI routine agonizing over whether to show an image of Andy Warhol or a can of soup in a note about his art.  It's simple - and if you're prepared to delve into image management,  pretty hackable - just make your thumbnail smaller than anything else!

I've just tested this out with a note(recipe) containing 8 images.. I've been wondering for a while why it chose that image for thumbnail.. from the beginning it have never been the image with the shortest long side. but I found that it had the shortest short side, so I've have now tried resizing both the image it chose and the image I want.. to no avail.. I've tried making new notes, but it keeps choosing that image.. I just can't make any sense of why THAT image?? But at least I can say that it no longer chooses the shortest long side. 

(I've both resized them in original form and in the note..) also I've made sure that they have the same format(jpg). and I've checked the images in both the windows version, android app and webbrowser.

Any Ideas what I'm doing wrong or if they have changed it?

I've attached the two images.. the bread image is the image I want..

(anyone)your very welcome to try making a note with these two images and let me know how, if you succeed in using the right thumbnail in the browser or on app(since it takes a long time before the windows version show the real thumbnail).

ovnhævning.jpg

spirretsurdejsbrød.jpg

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The hint about the shortest side is years old, and was never really confirmed.

What seems to work is to save a note with one picture (or pdf) only. Wait until the thumbnail was created on the server, then add the further content. It can easily be done by creating 2 notes, wait  for the thumbnail and then merge the two.

This is a workaround, not a solution. I would be happy to be able to pick my thumbnail in the cases where I want to, and have supported this thread a long time ago already.

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The shortest long side thing was (I'm fairly sure) genuine - but of course there's the small issue of v10 since,  so heaven knows how they work things out now.  Maybe someone who is annoyed by this could report it to Support and try to find out how thumbnails are selected?

In other News - I just dumped your two pics into Evernote Windows to have a play,  and before I do anything,  this is my view...  which all goes to show 😉

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1 hour ago, jrdunson said:

Can we do this please?  Seems this has been requested for some time.

Hi.  This feature may or may not be released at some future date - Evernote won't usually comment.  In the meantime you have workarounds...

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On 9/19/2022 at 4:51 PM, gazumped said:

The shortest long side thing was (I'm fairly sure) genuine - but of course there's the small issue of v10 since,  so heaven knows how they work things out now.

I think my understanding at the moment is:

  • If you create a note manually by pasting in an image, typing text, pasting in another imnage etc the thumbnail is the first image you paste in. Even if you were to delete that image the thumbnail remains
  • If you create the note by some other method e,g pasting in a whole bunch of text and images in one go or by using the webclipper, it seems to be random which image becomes the thumbnail. As evidence for this, each week I generate a report as an html file. I then view it in Chrome and copy and paste it into an EN note. Each week the various images (plots) are the same size. The image EN chooses to be the thumbnail is, as far as I can see, random.
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There is a simple workaround to this issue, and agreed it should be a simple inbuilt feature in what's generally a great notes program.

1. Drop your preferred image into an Evernote Note as first step.

 - The image appears as the thumbnail.

2. Then, add your other content, tags etc.

Seems to work at this end!

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16 hours ago, MURFINO said:

There is a simple workaround to this issue, and agreed it should be a simple inbuilt feature in what's generally a great notes program.

1. Drop your preferred image into an Evernote Note as first step.

 - The image appears as the thumbnail.

2. Then, add your other content, tags etc.

Seems to work at this end!

This doesn't work for me using the web or mac versions. As soon as I add a later, larger image, the new one then becomes the default.

All things considered this is the one thing that pees me off about Evernote the most. I like things to look consistent and random images appearing as thumbnails messes with my head.

I really like a lot of the new feature in V10 so its a real shame that the thumbnail issue has not been resolved and continues to be an irritant.

Has anyone actually got a fix for this that works? 

 

 

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4 hours ago, athletico said:

this is the one thing that pees me off about Evernote the most

(I think you meant 'peeves'...?) I must admit that I've been mildly annoyed with this before, but now I have come to terms with it and am at Random-Thumbnail-Peace. ;-P

4 hours ago, athletico said:

Has anyone actually got a fix for this that works? 

I've only ever seen workarounds that sometimes work, but they are way too much of a hassle for me and aren't 100%. For example, I've dropped an image onto a note before and had it show up as the thumbnail and then added other images and text and whatever and it's fine, but a different thumbnail has shown up for the same note on a different device! (Looking just now, 2 out of the first 15 notes I looked at have different thumbnails on different devices for the same note with everything else being in sync.) So should I open my 4 other devices with Evernote and make sure the note with single image with thumbnail syncs to those devices first before adding more content? Nah. Random-Thumbnail-Peace. I'm telling you -- that's the way to go. (This comment should be marked as Solution, OP. jk)

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Random suggestion - and [maybe} possible work-around - I tend to work in side list a lot and need a way to identify a note from the title rather than the summary or thumbnail;  lately I've been using emoji's in titles and tags to flag particular topics or threads.

If you use something like 📙 Emojipedia — 😃 Home of Emoji Meanings 💁👌🎍😍 you'll find a lot of options...

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Another random suggestion. It looks like EN chooses the biggest picture to be the thumbnail. As I've commented earlier, this will change if a bigger image is added to the note. "Bigness" seems to be defined by the actual file size of the image file. In an external image editor, massively increase the size of a copy of the image you want as the thumbnail. Then add the copy to the bottom of the note and stretch it's size right down. Being the biggest image, EN will use it as the thumbnail. Because it is only a thumbnail any reduction in image quality will be negligible and you still have the original at the correct resolution.

As workarounds go this is pretty painful, so I wouldn't use it routinely!

Why can't I just have the option of "use as thumbnail" in the three dots image menu?

 

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I too would like this feature.  In many of the posts I've seen, it says you can change your thumbnail picture by right clicking on the picture but I do not see an option when I right click to "set as thumbnail image".  Am I missing something?  I have a template I use daily and the picture at the top of the template gets set to my thumbnail everyday... even if I delete that picture it still stays as the thumbnail.  I would like one of the new pictures I add that day to become my thumbnail picture instead.  

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On 10/23/2022 at 12:10 PM, maggie_j_12@yahoo.com said:

I would like one of the new pictures I add that day to become my thumbnail picture instead.  

Hi.  I don't know of any foolproof way to set or change the thumbnail.  All the options quoted in this thread so far don't necessarily work for me either.  The only guaranteed way to set the image is to save that one image into a new note.  If your template is for the content layout,  you might try copying and pasting from the template into a brand new note after you have placed the image you prefer.

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On 10/23/2022 at 12:10 PM, maggie_j_12@yahoo.com said:

I too would like this feature.  In many of the posts I've seen, it says you can change your thumbnail picture by right clicking on the picture but I do not see an option when I right click to "set as thumbnail image".  Am I missing something?  I have a template I use daily and the picture at the top of the template gets set to my thumbnail everyday... even if I delete that picture it still stays as the thumbnail.  I would like one of the new pictures I add that day to become my thumbnail picture instead.  

I don't think there has ever (legacy or V10) been the facility to right click on the picture to make it the thumnail. That would be far too sensible!

In the latest version on Windows (and therefore presumaby Mac and web as well) the thumbnail does change if:

  • You delete the image and replace it with a new one
  • You add a bigger (as measured by actual file size?) image
  • You delete all images (then there is no thumnail)

 

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I'm here to keep the thread alive. I have no insight nor tips to offer but just came to add my voice as another long time Evernote user who wants a seemingly easy feature: allow me to specify which image in the note will serve as a thumbnail.

As Mike P said in October, perhaps adding it as an option in the three dots image menu?

Thank you to the Evernote team for your consideration.

On 10/13/2022 at 10:26 AM, Mike P said:

Another random suggestion. It looks like EN chooses the biggest picture to be the thumbnail. As I've commented earlier, this will change if a bigger image is added to the note. "Bigness" seems to be defined by the actual file size of the image file. In an external image editor, massively increase the size of a copy of the image you want as the thumbnail. Then add the copy to the bottom of the note and stretch it's size right down. Being the biggest image, EN will use it as the thumbnail. Because it is only a thumbnail any reduction in image quality will be negligible and you still have the original at the correct resolution.

As workarounds go this is pretty painful, so I wouldn't use it routinely!

Why can't I just have the option of "use as thumbnail" in the three dots image menu?

 

 

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On 10/25/2022 at 11:53 AM, Mike P said:

In the latest version on Windows (and therefore presumaby Mac and web as well) the thumbnail does change if:

  • You delete the image and replace it with a new one
  • You add a bigger (as measured by actual file size?) image
  • You delete all images (then there is no thumnail)

Well EN giveth and they taketh away. In 10.50.9 it seems that it is no longer possible to delete the image and for it to disappear from the thumbnail. i.e. the thumbnail image remains even if the image is no longer in the note. 

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19 minutes ago, Mike P said:

Well EN giveth and they taketh away. In 10.50.9 it seems that it is no longer possible to delete the image and for it to disappear from the thumbnail. i.e. the thumbnail image remains even if the image is no longer in the note. 

I think it's a bug - so there is hope that thumbnail functionality is coming back later. EN 10.50.9 seems to be quite buggy generally: thumbnail bug, pdf export bug, selecting notes bug… 😒

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Can't believe there is still no solution. I'm currently evaluating Notion. Evernote has much more features which useful for me, but I can't stand the ugly interface any more.

Imaging you could not only select the cover / thumbnail image freely, but also select it from unsplash with one click.

Also missing: a view that just shows the title and the image - and not some random text that is at the beginning of the note

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6 hours ago, niklass said:

Can't believe there is still no solution. I'm currently evaluating Notion. Evernote has much more features which useful for me, but I can't stand the ugly interface any more.

To each their own. I've tried Notion 3 different times and the tediousness of it literally gave me a headache.

Conversely, I love Evernote's UI and UX. I think they are hitting it out of the park. (Unless you are talking about the Legacy UI... cause I wasn't too keen on that one.)

I, too, wish that we could set the thumbnail image. It'd be so awesome. But there are so many other features of Evernote that I love so it's easy for me to overlook it as an annoyance.

With any tool there are going to be trade-offs... you just have to find the one for which you are trading the least. For me, that's Evernote. For you, it may be Notion. Good luck!

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42 minutes ago, kd5byb said:

Seems like choosing what thumbnail image you want displayed should be easy

If it were that easy,  I think Evernote would have done it by now.  If you added your vote at the top of the page it may help Evernote  to decide where this feature lies in their long list of enhancements due,  but if you really need the feature now,  you may be using the wrong software... 

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37 minutes ago, gazumped said:

If it were that easy,  I think Evernote would have done it by now.  If you added your vote at the top of the page it may help Evernote  to decide where this feature lies in their long list of enhancements due,  but if you really need the feature now,  you may be using the wrong software... 

 

Roger on the ease and the delay - perhaps it's not as easy as I or we think? 

I will admit that I did create a bunch of new notes just now, adding the picture I wanted to be the thumbnail before anything else and using the "stickiness" of the first thumbnail to my advantage before adding other content which seems to work.

I may be having a stupid moment (likely!), but I can't see where I need to vote?  I looked at both the top of this page as well as the first post in the thread and I'm not seeing any voting options?

thanks!

-ben

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Scroll to the very top of the thread. On the left you'll see an upward pointing arrow/caret with the current view. Right now it says 500. Click that and you should see the count incident by one. You've added your vote.

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4 hours ago, agsteele said:

Scroll to the very top of the thread. On the left you'll see an upward pointing arrow/caret with the current view. Right now it says 500. Click that and you should see the count incident by one. You've added your vote.

Got it, thanks!  Done!  Now up to 501.  ;)

 

thanks much,

ben

 

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1 hour ago, caineo said:

A little bump

Not required - a vote is good:  it may help get the idea more attention.

1 hour ago, caineo said:

which should be basic functionality for Evernote.

Evernote has over 200M users.  This feature is clearly important to some,  but may require a lot of changes to the infrastructure currently supporting those other users. 

If it were easy,  it would have been done already.

 

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5 hours ago, Astopia said:

It's hard to imagine that this is a technically difficult thing to implement, yet it would be so incredibly useful. Why oh why is this not being implemented?

Welcome to the club Astopia.  The vast majority of us in this thread share your disappointment.

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5 hours ago, Astopia said:

It's hard to imagine that this is a technically difficult thing to implement, yet it would be so incredibly useful. Why oh why is this not being implemented?

My guess: The properties of a note in it‘s internal presentation are fixed, you can‘t add another field without breaking compatibility.

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