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Chantal Leonard

Evernote for Mac 6.12 Beta 1 Released

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Today we're releasing version 6.12 Beta 1 - you cadownload it here. This release brings table improvements in notes to Mac as well as improvements around multi-tasking with windows and tabs. It also re-introduces the split between business and personal content. It improves on some early 6.11 Betas by allowing you to have windows open from business and personal accounts at once.  As always, we're looking to the Beta community to help us uncover bugs - please let us know if you spot any issues in your existing workflows and let us know if you're able to take advantage of the new feature improvements. 

This is a relatively early beta so we are shipping this with a few known issues to allow for more time for feedback on the many features included in this release. These are: (1) moving notes between accounts does not work and (2) inserting Google Drive documents using the drive icon does not work. We plan on addressing these both in upcoming betas. 

Thanks,

Chantal and the rest of the Mac and the Editor team! 

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Full release notes for version 6.12: 

Evernote for Mac 6.12 Release Notes

Major improvements to tables!

Some highlights of what you can do with tables now:

  • Add more rows and columns with a single click: Point to where you want a new column and click the plus button that appears.
  • Choose the entire column or row just by clicking the header.
  • Drag and drop entire rows & columns.
  • Copy and paste multiple cells: Select the cells you want to move, copy them, move cursor to a new spot and paste all the cells with one click.
  • Adjust the width of one column without affecting the width of the column next to it.
  • Scroll horizontally to view a table with many columns without expanding your window.
  • Hover within a cell to activate advanced table options. 
    • You can distribute columns evenly
    • Match the table width to the width of your window
    • Change the alignment of items within cells
    • Add and change background colorsQuickly add rows and columns – via the plus button

Better multi-tasking 

Keep your Evernote content organized using tabs. Create a new tab by selecting the 'New Tab' option under the File menu. 
Pick up from where you left off - if you exit the app and re-open it, you'll return to your previously opened windows / state.

Separation of Business and Personal

No longer intermingle your business and personal content in your Evernote experience but still multi-task when you need to. Improving on 6.11 Beta 1 & 2, we've added support for having business and personal notes open side-by-side. 

Known issue: you cannot move notes between personal & business. 

Bug fixes

A number of user reported bugs are now fixed in this release:

  • Evernote does not update business tags list after the sync
  • Pasting a large amount of text into a note fails with no error message
  • An intermittent crash on account switching
  • Images in some notes created by clipper were not displayed in the note  
  • Pasting content before a horizontal rule was sometimes resulting in the deletion of content below the horizontal rule

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Screenshots

Improved table editing with cell merging!

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34 minutes ago, Chantal Leonard said:

Known issue: you cannot move notes between personal a business. 

I would think that is a showstopper for beta testers in a business/personal environ.

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43 minutes ago, EdH said:

I would think that is a showstopper for beta testers in a business/personal environ.

There are a number of workarounds from copy/pasting, exporting + importing notes - it was a tough choice, but we wanted to get some of the other changes sufficient bake time ahead of launch. 

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1 hour ago, Chantal Leonard said:

This release brings table improvements in notes to Mac as well as improvements around multi-tasking with windows and tabs.

@Chantal Leonard et al:

These sound like great improvements.  We've been asking for better table management for years.  Thanks for finally providing this.  I look forward to a solid, no-material-bugs GA release, so I can put all of this good stuff to use.

Bug Fixes

As always, this is my top priority, favorite feature.  There are a number of bugs reported in Vre 6.11 and 6.11.1 that I don't see listed as fixed in your 6.12 BETA 1 list.  Could you please comment of these?  (for the bugs, see the release threads).

Request for Color Options

I haven't used the BETA, but just based on your screen shot, I'd request that you provide an option to pick any color, in addition to the preset list.  That would be the minimum.  If you'd really like to make it great, then you could provide options in EN Mac Preferences to select the colors we want in the preset list.  BTW, one very cool way of doing this is to all selection of a custom color palette in the standard Mac Color Picker.  Picking a Palette would auto-set the preset colors.

My Custom Color Palettes

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Example of Custom Color Palette

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Thanks.

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Wow. The new table management is phenomenal. Even more convenient than Microsoft Word, which has its operations hidden in the top ribbon. Thank you for this update. 

Question: Is the ability to change table border colors through Format>Tables>Table Properties a new thing? Don't remember seeing it there. 

Also, TIL that SHIFT+Scroll on a regular mouse+keyboard setup enables horizontal scroll. Useful for us Hackintosh users. 

EDIT: Is there a "Split cells" operation yet? If not, please consider that a high priority. 

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Like my comment in other discussions. May not be the best but any progress no matter how small it is, is just absolutely exciting. Kudos to Evernote!

BTW, is there any chance that these table will later on be formula-enabled. Similar to Google Sheet, or MS Excel.

 

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Functionality for changing cell backgrounds works really well. However, it also changes the gridlines which I don't believe it should do - they seem to be turning a light grey.

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Hi.

You have GOT to be kidding me.

After all this discussion for some older betas about separating business and private, with the new beta I cannot move notes from personal to business. REALLY??? I am absolutely major annoyed about this. This is a BUSINESS product. Even a beta must implement basic features. I am told that I CAN WAIT FOR A LATER VERSION TO MOVE A NOTE!!!

I cannot believe how bluntly user feedback is ignored by Evernote.

 

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I must agree with thhh. This is awful. Now you bring back the awful implementation of Business/Personal Separation.

I can't move my notes from Personal to Business, really???

Having 2 windows with personal and business notebooks is also not working? 

Switching to other accounts forgets tabs and opened documents in tabs. 

We asked you to at least allow us to see BOTH (Business and Personal) accounts at the same time like we used to. 

This is an awful implementation. I can't see ANY progress in this separation from the last beta. At least allow me (as the BUSINESS OWNER) to define the view the way I want it.

Why do you have to mess up some good things repeatedly with bad design choices that have been rightfully criticized several times in the past? 

If you need to implement a separation the at least allow the admin of the company to define whether this separation is enforced or not. If you go on with this, I guess I have to cancel my Evernote Business account and move back to using Pro with shared folders in my team.

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Hi @Palladion we now let you see notes side by side from business an personal. So for example, if you manage your ToDos in personal you can have that note open while perusing your business notes which is definitely one of the top scenarios and requests we heard from 6.11 Betas 1 & 2.  

Can you tell me a bit more about the scenario where you'd need to have notebooks immediately available, and potentially side-by-side?

This is an early Beta to get exactly this type of feedback, so thank you for participating and better helping us understand if we're going far enough in addressing some of the pain points raised previously. 

Thanks!

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2 hours ago, thhh said:

Hi.

You have GOT to be kidding me.

After all this discussion for some older betas about separating business and private, with the new beta I cannot move notes from personal to business. REALLY??? I am absolutely major annoyed about this. This is a BUSINESS product. Even a beta must implement basic features. I am told that I CAN WAIT FOR A LATER VERSION TO MOVE A NOTE!!!

I cannot believe how bluntly user feedback is ignored by Evernote.

 

Then don't use this beta, or don't use a beta at all. You agree to use a product with untested features when you use get the prerelease builds.

I cannot believe how bluntly Evernote warnings about beta builds is ignored by some users.

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6 minutes ago, Chantal Leonard said:

Can you tell me a bit more about the scenario where you'd need to have notebooks immediately available, and potentially side-by-side?

Chantal, when I used the business version, having access to personal and business was critical. Mostly because I use an Inbox notebook for all notes, so clippings, emailed notes, or notes created by third party apps, like Drafts on iOS or FoxitPDF share/create notes only in personal notebooks. I then would 2-3 times a day curate that notebook and move business items to my business notebook. Sometimes notes were related so I would edit one while looking at the other and one would be in business and the other still in personal until moved.

Unless things have changed, Evernote forced business items into personal simply because other tools didn't understand "business" and would put everything in my default notebook, which was personal.

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14 hours ago, Chantal Leonard said:

we've added support for having business and personal notes open side-by-side. 

support for this is rudimentary. It seems the only way this works is to open a note in a new window by double clicking. 

No parallel tabs between accounts, and tabs close and do NOT reopen when switching back to an account.

Instead of fickling around with new features like tables, I wish you'd first make sure the everyday needs are fulfilled.

 

Pick up from where you left off - if you exit the app and re-open it, you'll return to your previously opened windows / state.

This is not happening. All tabs are closed after restarting the app.

 

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@Palladion @thhh

As Chantal mentioned, we are shipping this beta early with some known issues:

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This is a relatively early beta so we are shipping this with a few known issues to allow for more time for feedback on the many features included in this release. These are: (1) moving notes between accounts does not work and (2) inserting Google Drive documents using the drive icon does not work. We plan on addressing these both in upcoming betas.

Although we love our beta testers and the feedback they have, please know that you're not obligated to use this version if it's not working for you. If you need to regress Evernote to version 6.11.1, follow these steps below. 

**Export unsynced notes and/or local notebooks (if you have any):**

1. Select all unsynced notes, or each local notebook, then right-click and select **Export Notes…** 
2. Choose 'Evernote XML Format (.enex)' next to Format, then **Save** the file to your desktop
     * Detailed instructions at https://help.evernote.com/hc/articles/209005557

**Move your existing Evernote database:**

1. Open Evernote for Mac
2. Select **Evernote > About Evernote**
3. Press and hold the **Option** key and select **Open database folder** (keep this folder open)
4. Select **Evernote > Quit Evernote** from the menu bar
5. Move the numbered folder from the database folder to your computer's desktop
     * If you have more than one numbered folder, move each one
6. Open Evernote and log in to your Evernote account

Evernote will download all of your synced notes from the servers and create a new database on your computer. You can then import any exported notes by selecting **File > Import Notes** from the menu bar.

Once you finish syncing down your notes, you may delete the 6.12 Beta 1 database from your desktop. 

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15 hours ago, Chantal Leonard said:

Today we're releasing version 6.12 Beta 1

Bug Report - Applescript abort with message          Connection is invalid." number -609

The script ran but aborted on this statement        export theTemplate to tempFile format ENEX with tags

Manually exporting notes works ok

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I'd like to report that the evernote menubar clipper shows the keyboard shortcut for "Find in Evernote" to be ctrl-cmd-space, but if you hit that combination of keys in the clipper nothing happens.

Usually that combination of keys is used by the "Emoji and Symbols" window, so maybe it's a bug in the display of the keyboard shortcut?

The system-wide shortcut for "Find in Evernote" is ctrl-cmd-E on my mac.

 

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(also, converting the preference window into a drop-down sheet is a weird idea)

 

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Bug: Changes in tags on a note were not saving the first time I opened Evernote. I had to restart it to regain functionallity

New table functionality is fantastic!!!!. Let's hope all that formatting can translate to presentation mode.

Would you think asking for basic formulas is too much? :P (a man can only dream)

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10 minutes ago, Jorge Ferreira said:

Bug: Changes in tags on a note were not saving the first time I opened Evernote. I had to restart it to regain functionallity

New table functionality is fantastic!!!!.

 

17 hours ago, JWChang said:

Wow. The new table management is phenomenal. Even more convenient than Microsoft Word, which has its operations hidden in the top ribbon.

Copy Table from EN Mac to MS Word

Has anyone using this BETA tried copying a table, formatted with the new tools, to MS Word?  If so, is the format retained?

Copy Table from MS Word to EN Mac

Has anyone tried copying a table created in MS Word, then pasted into EN Mac BETA?  Is the Word format retained in EN Mac?
Here is an example table in MS Word, if yo would like to use it:
Word 2011 Table in a Table.docx.zip

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Tables: No space for the cursor between two tables when copied

When a table is copied beneath an existing one, there seems to be no way to insert content between the two tables afterwards. The cursor, when moved by arrow keys, jumps from the inside of the last cell of the first table directly into the first cell of second table. So no lines between the two tables can be created.

BTW, this is also true for Windows version 6.6.2.5173 Prerelease.

CORRECTION:

The behavior described above is only the case as long as the note is open for editing. As soon as the note is closed and reopened again, the EV client has automatically inserted an empty line between the two tables.

So, this is only a marginal issue, because it's only lasting as long as the note is edited. Same applies to the windows client.

 

 

 

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20 hours ago, Chantal Leonard said:

Hi @Palladion we now let you see notes side by side from business an personal. So for example, if you manage your ToDos in personal you can have that note open while perusing your business notes which is definitely one of the top scenarios and requests we heard from 6.11 Betas 1 & 2.  

Can you tell me a bit more about the scenario where you'd need to have notebooks immediately available, and potentially side-by-side?

This is an early Beta to get exactly this type of feedback, so thank you for participating and better helping us understand if we're going far enough in addressing some of the pain points raised previously. 

Thanks!

Hi Chantal,

here is a typical scenario. 

We have all our business documentation in Evernote business. 

My to do list, references to important documents I need to refer to which should not land in the business account are in my personal account. Documents from other clients should also not be in the business account.  

During my day I constantly need to switch between the accounts, because I have multiple hats on during the day  

So now whenever I switch accounts the browser gets reset.

For a lot of us (especially freelancer or small business owners), the separation between Business and Personal accounts isn’t as clear cut as you would like it to be. 

For me Evernote should reflect my whole life which consists of Business and Personal categories. Siloing those into separat browsers makes it harder for me to have the workflow I rely on. 

I already dislike this on the iPhone and iPad. 

When you enforce this now on the Mac also - I really have to consider dropping the business account and go back to pro with shared folders. 

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Next problem with the Business/Personal separation: SEARCH

Search is only working in one account. I often use search to jump to notebooks fast. That is now not working if I am in the wrong silo.

Alos very often I want to find notes and am not sure whether it is in Personal or Business. Now I have to search twice. 

Also very often I want to see private and business notes in one search result set. This is now also not possible any longer.

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When switching accounts, the window gets reset to 1/2 of the screen. Also, it always leaves fullscreen mode.

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On 6/22/2017 at 4:26 AM, EdH said:

Then don't use this beta, or don't use a beta at all. You agree to use a product with untested features when you use get the prerelease builds.

I cannot believe how bluntly Evernote warnings about beta builds is ignored by some users.

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perhaps his comments function as Beta Feedback then...?

first i want to say - excellent job with the TABS and TABLES! you guys are great with things that start with "T-A-B" ;)

but moving on...

i too just do not understand the complete separation of Personal and Business notes when your business account's FOUNDATION is your personal account! i think that's the element that the EN team may be missing from those of us who don't like the separation. 

let's say i use a Scanner that auto adds it to EN - my PERSONAL inbox notebook is my default notebook, because usually that's what i use.  but now i've scanned some Business documents. am i supposed to open that note in the new interface, then cut/paste into a new note in my Business account? or was i supposed to change my default folder just for the duration that i'm scanning business documents?

again, fully separating Personal and Business would be fine.... if EN itself didn't combine Personal and Business at its core. 

this scanning example is just one situation. i too work out of both Personal and Business accounts back and forth throughout the day, many times simultaneously. 

i guess i can see "Enterprise" level accounts wanting the full separation. but don't you create a Personal account first to sign up and be added to someone's business?

MAYBE a solution to this would be to have the new TABS allow Personal and Business tabs mixed. i initially thought that was possible when i first opened this Beta. but no. the whole thing switches.

having to fully open a Note just to copy/paste things - rather than just moving to different notebooks - is kind of a poor implementation, you have to admit. there WAS a function to move notes, but now it has been removed. 

i absolutely cannot stand the separation of P vs B on iOS either - again, because my default Notebook is my Personal, i'll scan or pop things in there on my computer, then when i go out, i have to search to figure out where things are, rather than just looking at all my notes together.

i could go on. EN accounts are founded upon a Personal account. Business accounts are linked with a Personal account. to then force the separation of the two is just not logical.

 

On 6/22/2017 at 4:31 AM, EdH said:

Chantal, when I used the business version, having access to personal and business was critical. Mostly because I use an Inbox notebook for all notes, so clippings, emailed notes, or notes created by third party apps, like Drafts on iOS or FoxitPDF share/create notes only in personal notebooks. I then would 2-3 times a day curate that notebook and move business items to my business notebook. Sometimes notes were related so I would edit one while looking at the other and one would be in business and the other still in personal until moved.

Unless things have changed, Evernote forced business items into personal simply because other tools didn't understand "business" and would put everything in my default notebook, which was personal.

this exactly! i absolutely agree that it's a "showstopper" to separate the 2 accounts, and as i mentioned, i abhor working on iOS because of it. a previous Mac beta separated them, i hated it, then we got the accounts back together - it's great! and now it's separated again :(

can the EN team shed some light on who exactly is requesting the separation?

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@Chantal Leonard Would love to see in the future at some point the ability to convert tables to Pages/Excel sheets as an export option.

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For the love of all things holy, are there any plans ever, at any time, to allow Mac users to merge notes in the order selected like you can on the PC? If not, can you just add to your help pages a page that says "No Mac users, we are never ever at any time going to allow you to merge notes in the order selected like we allow on  the PC platform, so stop asking. It is never going to happen."

 

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