REQUEST: Increase limit on number of notebooks

[rnjstevens 0]

250 notebooks is not enough, I am finding myself having to delete notebooks and as a premium member the limit should be more

like 500 or limitless

Regards

Rob

[SebR 146]

I appreciate the responses.  You ask why I didn't research the limits ahead of time... My answer: because I was taught by someone else to use this for my business; and this person is an Ambassador for Evernote!  [don't worry, I've made my frustration known to that person]

 

But to piggy back that... I just got on Evernote's website to search for those limits, mainly to see how deep I would have to go to find it... All over the website, on every page that anyone would browse when entertaining the idea of downloading the app, it states how it will do anything your business or life requires.. one workspace no what form your writing takes.  When you explore all of Premium's features, it specifically states "Unlimit yourself... keep all work related files together without ever worrying about space."  Even in the comparison after you click learn more about Premium, in all CAPS it says UNLIMITED!  That's it; that's all it states.  There is no prominent tab directing you (or suggesting that you look into) a chart informing you about limits.  Not until one browses the "support" page or "Blog," is there anything this limit.  And people don't typically think they have to go to support to learn about such an important "heads up."

I think your statement on how and where infos are presented is a usefull feedback. It probably could be improved.

 

 

Furthermore, the mere existence of Notes and Notebooks implies that's how Evernote intends for you to use their product.  Then they came out with Stacks, further steering someone to use that particular organizational structure.  If they intended us to use tags to such an extent, the tags would have a much larger presence in the main display of your files when you open Evernote... at least to me, that makes more sense.

 

A lot of people focus their mind and their system on Notebooks, they consider as OS folders, and would like to use as a catch-all organisation element - but they're not. Tags are.

So I agree they should find ways to underline the use of tags, because EN's power relies on it, and the search features.

 

You have to figure out that when you have thousands of items a point&click approach is way less efficient than a search query, always. And it's not EN specific.

Are you aware of search grammar ? Knowing what you can do with search help to build a system (and a workflow) https://evernote.com/contact/support/kb/#!/article/23245321

FYI, you can save a search (100 max) and set it up as shortcut for easy access.

 

For the moment maybe you can free some notebooks who can be "archived". Tag notes with a client tag...

But I fear you'll do have to rethink your system in a short or medium term.

[jefito 5,586]

Actually, I'd suggest this. Create Tag:Cars, Tag:Car A, etc. Then apply the appropriate tags(in Windows this can be all at once) and dump then all of them into a common container, archive. Delete the notebooks.

Now the segregation desired can be achieved by clicking on a tag instead of a notebook. It will look the same in the listing.

I don't see any salient difference between what you proposed and what BnF proposed.

[jefito 5,586]

And, as somewhat of a scalability expert, I know just changing the number doesn't necessarily lead to a satisfactory experience.

What do you mean? The '11' on my stereo makes it full of ~~AWESOME~~!!

[jefito 5,586]

OK, nevermind...

[C6REW 416]

I cannot remember what I have said on this very long thread so I may be repeating myself.

 

Software is designed and built around what the developers think they and users want. It gets altered over time.

 

Anyone who wants 'bespoke' software can get it, at a price.

 

Otherwise look at what you do, look at how others use it, thank your lucky stars if the company who designed the software decide to have a forum and ask for advice.

 

Of course ask for changes that you may see useful.

 

Don't spit your dummy out because you don't get your way.

 

Remember, 'work within the limitations of the software' and 'adapt your workflow to suit' or pay a very large amount of money to get 'exactly' what you want!

 

Best regards

 

Chris

[GaryLKing 46]

@jefito "I don't see any salient difference between what you proposed and what BnF proposed."

Neither do I. Was hoping that 2 slightly different descriptions, with a bit more detail, would be useful.

Probably should have left out "Actually, I'd suggest this.".

Sorry,

Gary

[lpr 35]

I am posting these new findings after doing some tests.

The results are troubling and The Evernote team really needs to address this.

When you have more than 250, everytime you will try to sync a new note it will give you the error and then it will look like it went away and it's now syncing BUT HERE'S THE CATCH! If you go and look on a different device, like your Ipad or the web client, The note itself will have been uploaded but it will be created in your default notebook , NOT in the notebook where you created it on your desktop. So what this is doing is breaking the symmetry you once had on all your devices. Now Notes will be at different places. NOW here's what's even scarier . If you make any changes in that note on that other device, it will sync and then move your note into the default folder on the desktop app. SO that means it is disorganizing your notes ! You will be looking for said note and it will have disappeared and moved to your default folder.

What This means is that what once was this beautiful symmetry on all your devices is now all screwed up by the inconsistencies introduced by this 250 limit.

Another thing that makes no sense what so ever is that Once a notebook is created you can not change it's sync options. So there is no easy way to manage tis 250 synced notebooks limit by toggling them on or offline.

[gazumped 9,565]

Now see,  I wasn't going to say that...  by the way if you follow your link,  there's another interesting KB page just below it..  https://support.evernote.com/link/portal/16051/16058/Article/4382/Does-Evernote-support-Two-Factor-Authentication which only seems to have been set up in the past few days...

[lpr 35]

Furthermore since it does not warn you nor let you monitor how many notebooks you currently have, when you create a new one it defaults to synced notebook even if you are over your limit . It would make a lot more sense if once the limit reached it could only create local notebooks. At least it would prevent us from messing up all our notes by the previously described scenario.

[jefito 5,586]

@Gary: no biggie, no need for apologies -- sometimes I miss things, and I wanted to make sure -- the general procedure was what I was on the verge of describing myself, but then I read your and BnF's accounts.

[SoFresh_SoClean 0]

I upgraded to Business but it still says limited to 250. If I create a new personal notebook, it says it right away; when I create a business notebook, it lets me create a name but as soon as I hit return it says limit of 250. I thought it was 5,000?

 

 

Thank you all for your research.  I am still confused about limitations on notes and notebooks in the business edition, and I am wanting to promote Evernote for use in my company.  I don't feel Evernote has made this clear in the documentation, and I have spent a fair amount of time looking.

 

From a business webinar recap (4/19 I think), there was a statement that you can have 250 personal and 250 joined/linked notebooks.  In the developer documentation, there are references to 5,000 notebooks and 500,000 notes per business "account".  From the support call above the term "synchronized" has been added to the mix.

 

Here is my interpretation of all the above.  Someone please clarify where I am mistaken.

 

A user can have 250 personal notebooks and 100,000 personal notes, which matches the premium account limits.

The 250 personal notebooks can all either be shared or linked to.

The business library can have 5,000 notebooks and 500,000 notes independent of an individual user's account.

All content in the business library (5,000/500,000) is available to be synchronized, and by inference joined, back to a business users desktop client

 

Thanks

[BurgersNFries 2,407]

I am posting these new findings after doing some tests.

The results are troubling and The Evernote team really needs to address this.

When you have more than 250, everytime you will try to sync a new note it will give you the error and then it will look like it went away and it's now syncing BUT HERE'S THE CATCH! If you go and look on a different device, like your Ipad or the web client, The note itself will have been uploaded but it will be created in your default notebook , NOT in the notebook where you created it on your desktop. So what this is doing is breaking the symmetry you once had on all your devices. Now Notes will be at different places. NOW here's what's even scarier . If you make any changes in that note on that other device, it will sync and then move your note into the default folder on the desktop app. SO that means it is disorganizing your notes ! You will be looking for said note and it will have disappeared and moved to your default folder.

What This means is that what once was this beautiful symmetry on all your devices is now all screwed up by the inconsistencies introduced by this 250 limit.

Another thing that makes no sense what so ever is that Once a notebook is created you can not change it's sync options. So there is no easy way to manage tis 250 synced notebooks limit by toggling them on or offline.

Yes, you're going to have to eliminate some notebooks. So if you have a notebook named "car a", just tag all those notes with "car a", move them to another, existing notebook like your default notebook & delete the "car a" notebook.

[hughjc 19]

OK, I won't ask for EN to get rid of the 250 notebook limit...

Instead I will ask for some way of knowing how many notebooks I actually have OR some warning message when I sync and I have more than 250 notebooks. I recently found out on the forum (and experienced it myself) that EN does weird things to notes over the 250 notebook limit (some get deleted, some go to different notebooks...).

I REALLY don't want to discuss tags. I swear, I have tried but notebooks work best for my data and workflow.

Hugh

[Meaco 0]

Does anyone have any ideas on how to get around the 250 limits on sync notebook.

At the moment, I export the notebooks when I reached the maximum but this is not my long term solution as I need to access these notebooks.

[lerax 2]

just reached this limit today and i googled this thread. 

 

i'd like to add one more thing that books do but tags don't, which is an unimaginably huge pain in the ass for me. that is, notes can only belong to one book. yes, sometimes this is useful, people. i'm a researcher and i use evernote to track my experiments. each of my stacks represents one experiment. each book in a stack is a phase/step/test in the experiment. and each note is a sample. man do i have a lot of samples. now, after a sample have passed a test/gone through a phase...etc, i move it to another book. this usually happens to hundreds of samples simultaneously. with books i have no problem. when i move the notes from one book to another, they disappear in the old book and appear in the new book. but if i use tags instead of books, here it comes: when i "move" hundreds of samples to a new tag, they are not actually "moved". the new tag is simply added on besides the old tag. i have to go through these hundreds of samples one by one to remove the old tag. and i can't just delete the old tag because i still have other samples under that test/phase/procedure.

 

i can't use local books either because i need to access the information on many different computers. 

 

so, is there another way to do this or am i just screwed?  

[heather 604]

You can create 5000 Notebooks in your Business Library, but only be joined to 250 of them at a time.

 

You will need to "check in" any notebooks not currently in use and then "Leave" them.

[BEHA 12]

Currently, free and premium Evernote accounts have a limit of 250 notebooks, 10,000 tags and 100,000 total notes. These limits only apply to synchronized services.

Local notebooks and notes are unlimited for all users.

Per Will @ Evernote Support: There is no limit for the local notebooks as those are saved in your computer and not the server.

 

I haven't known this and I have now reached my limit of 250 sync notebooks.

Now I would like to change some EXISTING notebooks from sync ones to "local" ones, which I don't need at the tablet, so that I can create new sync notebooks, that I need at the tablet, too.

 

I haven't found anything, how to change synchronized notebooks back to "local" ones - any idea?

Thanks.

[BurgersNFries 2,407]

I haven't found anything, how to change synchronized notebooks back to "local" ones - any idea?

You can't & this is displayed in a dialog box when you create the notebook. What you'll have to do is move all notes from one sync'd notebook to another & then delete the now empty notebook.

[GrumpyMonkey 4,314]

Does anyone have any ideas on how to get around the 250 limits on sync notebook.

At the moment, I export the notebooks when I reached the maximum but this is not my long term solution as I need to access these notebooks.

Hi. Welcome to the forums. I've merged your thread with an existing one that discusses this at length. I hope you find your answers here, but if you do not, please post, and I am sure people will be happy to help out. For myself, I am about 249 notebooks away from reaching this limit, and I have my own (somewhat radical) approach for dealing with notebooks, tags, and organization (http://www.princeton.edu/~cmayo/evernote-organization.html).

[Helena_S 2]

So I am a big fan of tags but as a supplement to my notebook organization. I don't need huge changes to EN and nothing should impact those who use tags as their primary organizer. I have given up hope that EN will extend it's notebook hierarchy beyond a stack and one level. All I want is a collapsible list of notebooks on my iPad like the one I have on my mac.

I think that most of us agree that that would be a good thing, and overdue.

+1 on more hierarchies. As a developer, I want the structure to be something like

Techniques -> Web -> HTML

Techniques -> Web -> CSS

Techniques -> Mobile -> iOS

Techniques -> Mobile -> Android

Life -> Beer

So allowing a flexible number of hierarchies would be ideal for me.

[Martin Packer 162]

@May This how things FAIL TO WORK in real life. :-)

We're trying to "slip the surly bonds" of how things work IRL here. We have, through the computer revolution, the ability to do it.

Actually I agree that the disorientation caused by Future Shock is unhelpful to many. Hence we have notebooks (by any other name). But I would hope we could lead people gently beyond the paradigm limitations of the physical world.

That possibility is one of the things that got me into computers probably as many decades ago as it did @BnF. :-)

[Wern 244]

At the moment the 250 notebooks limit is what we have. I suggest you ask yourself again, HOW you are organizing your notes and your setup. If you don't want to use TAGS, that's fine. There are other ways to organize, using naming schemes or reserved words and numbers.

Still, there are many power users here who have LOTS of notes (> 10,000) and have only one notebook and doing just fine.

Wern

[BurgersNFries 2,407]

Does anyone have any ideas on how to get around the 250 limits on sync notebook.

At the moment, I export the notebooks when I reached the maximum but this is not my long term solution as I need to access these notebooks.

This has already been discussed at great length, including the thread GM merged your post into. Quite simply, you need to rely upon tags, descriptive titles & keywords in addition to notebooks.

[gazumped 9,565]

I'll confess to having more than one notebook - I think my current count is around 20 notebooks to 12,500+ notes...

[gazumped 9,565]

Ah-HAH! The fact that you do not know this indicates that you too are a member of the Outer Races! Shhh! Don't break our cover!  No-one else must know!  See here for a full explanation!

[Duane 21]

I have :

22 personal notebooks

26 business notebooks

14 personal tags (Lots more to come)

27 business tags (Lots more to come)

11,000 notes

Chris

How did you get a count of your notebooks and tags? (Please don't tell me you visually scanned your list and manually counted them...)

 

Thanks.

[GrumpyMonkey 4,314]

I have :

22 personal notebooks

26 business notebooks

14 personal tags (Lots more to come)

27 business tags (Lots more to come)

11,000 notes

Chris

How did you get a count of your notebooks and tags? (Please don't tell me you visually scanned your list and manually counted them...)

 

Thanks.

 

Why not? 22 notebooks would take 22 seconds (at the most) to count, right. I could count that faster than it took me to write this post

[C6REW 416]

I have :

22 personal notebooks

26 business notebooks

14 personal tags (Lots more to come)

27 business tags (Lots more to come)

11,000 notes

Chris

[Duane 21]

Tags can get unruly in a hurry and end up being more confusing than they're worth. It's increasingly important to have some kind of methodology that exists outside EN and use EN in keeping with that methodology. I'm skeptical that one can approach EN without some theoretic approach and manage to stay "organized" just slapping tags willy-nilly.

 

Notes can be shared. Notebooks can be shared. Tags can't - they aren't that great!

 

However, I'm curious  - what makes it advantageous for using a notebook for a reference source...? Does that mean that, for a single topic, you could have notes across 250 notebooks if your bib includes 300 titles?

 

Or, do you have research assistants who work in specific library locations and want to interact with each of them through a shared notebook that allows them to pull titles off a shelf where they are?

[jbenson2 2,138]

Some folks don't like tags.

 

Me - well, I've got 1,400 tags and they work great. I have a system to manage them. The system works so well, that I keep the Left Panel closed 99% of the time.

 

Many of my tags are grouped using a 3 character prefix. a few examples at:

http://discussion.evernote.com/topic/28840-question-about-tag-levels/#entry155962

 

Some additional tips from GrumpyMonkey, which I now use.

All tags are in lower case

No tag has spaces - two word tags always have a dash.

 

These are done to make the tags easier to remember, and avoid confusion in the format.

 

BitQwik is also helpful, especially the built in TagHunter.

[GrumpyMonkey 4,314]

Tags can get unruly in a hurry and end up being more confusing than they're worth. It's increasingly important to have some kind of methodology that exists outside EN and use EN in keeping with that methodology. I'm skeptical that one can approach EN without some theoretic approach and manage to stay "organized" just slapping tags willy-nilly.

 

Notes can be shared. Notebooks can be shared. Tags can't - they aren't that great!

 

However, I'm curious  - what makes it advantageous for using a notebook for a reference source...? Does that mean that, for a single topic, you could have notes across 250 notebooks if your bib includes 300 titles?

 

Or, do you have research assistants who work in specific library locations and want to interact with each of them through a shared notebook that allows them to pull titles off a shelf where they are?

 

Hi. I was confused by what you said about notebooks for reference sources. Did someone say that in this thread and I just missed it? Personally, it sounds like an unwieldy system, but I would be interested to see how someone (whoever mentioned it) is implementing it. 

[xSpidey01x 0]

Hmm, 100,000 notes * 100 MB, is what? Like 10 TB of storage for $5/mo? Sounds fair as hell to me to have some limits on the backend strain.

 

I find the probability that I will require 100k notes, unlikely in so much as assuming I live that long, I can always export paperwork to e.g. Dropbox to make space, or you know, just ditch receipts I haven't needed in twenty years.

 

250 notebooks is something I concern myself with but I know I can easily consolidate my organization to cope, by e.g. using a "Programming" notebook and tagging entries instead of a Programming Stack with a notebook for each domain of interest and any tags of interest for cross reference. It's just convenience of scroll vs if I was smart, I'd search smarter and scroll less. Usually it's smarter to add tags but i find notebooks convenient for preventing "Aww *****, I forgot to add tag xyz to note zyx from nn months ago" syndrome.

 

I've already got about 50 notebooks and closing in on 600 notes. My only beef is I can't do things like make a notebook called "Quux" in stack "Foo" and then make another notebook called "Quux" in stack "Bar". I have to use constructs like "Quux Foo" and "Foo Stack". That is what irks me.

[deverill 54]

ZZZ, your statement of posting politely is undone by calling out, in a personal nature, the work of someone who has done a ton of good in these forums. A polite discussion would have stuck to the pros and cons of increasing the number of notebooks.

Let's all tone it back and keep it to the issues and not personal attacks against each other or Evernote... It's much easier to get things done that way.

[Better D 0]

So I've been cleaning up my account (merging notes and minimizing notebooks) to kind of bandaid my situation for now, and I had a thought...

 

There sure are a lot of folks in this forum who like to emphasize how much better tags are than notebooks.  What's going to happen when you all run out of notes?  You realize they only give you 100,000 right?

 

I swear I'm not trying to be argumentative here; I simply feel this is a reasonable question on the matter.  And please don't give me the, "that will never happen in my lifetime" response... that's not an adequate response.  I ask you all to seriously consider my question.  If need be, imagine if the note limit was only 1,000 (one thousand), which is just as arbitrary as 100,000.  What would you do if you hit the limit?  I read one response where someone writes articles for different magazines or something and they have a lot of notes that are tagged.  What is that person going to do if he/she ever receives a response of being at their limit?

 

I believe this to be a very serious issue when Evernote advertises "remember everything," "unlimited storage," "never worrying about space"...  because having a limit on either notebooks or notes (or tags for that matter) is a contradiction of what they claim to offer.

 

I love Evernote.  I think it's a brilliant app/program.  If they were a start up company, I would completely understand.  But this is a silly issue for such a large company now.  I really feel, now that they have the foothold that they do in the market, they could either open this up to truly be unlimited or provide a explanation of why they have a limit for ANYTHING on something for which they charge; especially without the option to pay for unlimited.

 

A response of "it is what it is; you'll just have to adapt" is simply a cop-out and does not suffice.

[jefito 5,586]

250 notebooks is something I concern myself with but I know I can easily consolidate my organization to cope, by e.g. using a "Programming" notebook and tagging entries instead of a Programming Stack with a notebook for each domain of interest and any tags of interest for cross reference. It's just convenience of scroll vs if I was smart, I'd search smarter and scroll less. Usually it's smarter to add tags but i find notebooks convenient for preventing "Aww *****, I forgot to add tag xyz to note zyx from nn months ago" syndrome.

Some folks just forgo using other notebooks altogether (GrumpyMonkey being a notable exemplar). I have a minimal number of notebooks, just two main notebooks really, one for personal notes and one for work, with a few extra ancillary notebooks (e.g. Inbox for receiving imported notes that need tagging, @Test for Evernote test cases, plus one that's intended to be used as an offline cache on my Android devices). Seems to work pretty well for me in most cases.

 

I've already got about 50 notebooks and closing in on 600 notes. My only beef is I can't do things like make a notebook called "Quux" in stack "Foo" and then make another notebook called "Quux" in stack "Bar". I have to use constructs like "Quux Foo" and "Foo Stack". That is what irks me.

Yeah -- there's really only one notebook name space (ditto for tags). I'd just have a notebook named "Quux" and tags "Foo" and "Bar". But that's just me.

[GrumpyMonkey 4,314]

Personally, I find 250 to be 247 more than enough for my needs

But, I am sure there are all sorts of organizational schemes and use cases that would benefit from more than 250. I am guessing that the limit is an arbitrary one, much like the other ones (100,000 notes, 50MB note size, and so forth). As the service grows and develops, I wouldn't be surprised to see these limits increased or removed.

[ZZZ 135]

I called it out accurately, impolite or not, it needs to be called out, as I know it has been done many times before by others.  I am amazed that EN allows it to continue.

[keruchan 11]

I'm a stock trader and was planning to use evernote as my note taking on technical analaysis and planning to have a "paid subscription"  by sharing my notebook to my clients.  my problem is not the limit of notebook but the number of people you can share a personal notebook with which is only 500 LOL.

so what I'm requesting is .... atleast give us premium user an option to add more notebooks/sharing limit (not for free ofcourse) but a one time payment.  like $30 for additional 500 number of people you can share a personal notebook with. 


 

[BurgersNFries 2,407]

Look, if the 250 number was just arbitrary, and if changing it were as easy as just setting a number somewhere, without some significant impact on performance and/or storage, do you think that they wouldn't have done it by now?

Absolutely agree. I'm guessing there is some other, non-minor reason. But yet again, it's really not that big of a deal, IMO. I've yet to see a good argument where the 250 notebooks truly is a limiting factor.

[jbenson2 2,138]

In my opinion, Evernote works far better with fewer notebooks.

Along with well structured titles and specific tags.

[Martin Packer 162]

@May speculating: The point of the limit MIGHT be a 1-byte field (shame if so), scalability (quite possible), or just plain keeping people sane (good luck) :-) or any darned thing. A good question to ask.

[gbarry 2,656]

250 notebooks is not enough, I am finding myself having to delete notebooks and as a premium member the limit should be more

like 500 or limitless

Regards

Rob

I'd be interested in hearing about your note to notebook ratio and how that settles out. This is an honest question--I have about 16 different notebooks and a little over 700 notes--I couldn't imagine having that many notebooks. Do you have a pretty large number of notes? Does the infrastructure support lots of different automated note creation?

[May 268]

Yeah, personally I'm just going to max out my current account and then start a new one from scratch and also share my old account with myself. I also keep my Tags organised in a separate app (mind map) so Im not going to lose any organisational structure.

And also if they make it possible to search across both personal and shared notebooks on IOS - then im not going to lose anything at all, it's going to be pretty much exactly the same thing as limitless account. So it's another reason why the limitation is kind of pointless, I.e. in practice you can kinda cheat the system anyway.

[GrumpyMonkey 4,314]

Notebooks can be shared, but tags cannot, so I can imagine a situation in which someone had to share notebooks with 250 or more people (a teacher or someone with a small business).

Otherwise, if we are talking about organizing within an account (not an issue of sharing), even if it might not be ideal for someone's system, tags can usually replace notebooks (in my experience).

[BurgersNFries 2,407]

And also if they make it possible to search across both personal and shared notebooks on IOS - then im not going to lose anything at all, it's going to be pretty much exactly the same thing as limitless account. So it's another reason why the limitation is kind of pointless, I.e. in practice you can kinda cheat the system anyway.

Much like the tagging (rather than sub notebooks) system, I'm wondering if the initial EN dev team was just wicked smart with a multi-level plan. I don't know.

[Sugeeth Krish 250]

KB says 250 synchronized, unlimited local:

 

https://support.evernote.com/link/portal/16051/16058/Article/532/Overview-of-Account-Data-Limits

 

This is like the "Fair Usage Policy" gimmick done by ISP's in India. They advertise 4 Mbps unlimited plan, the user gets awed, purchased the plan and a week later, his plan became slow. The plan was to give the user only 4-5 GB of data with speeds of 4 Mbps, and then shrink it to 256kbps, and they can always tell the user, we only promised you unlimited. Here, you go - you can browse all as much as you want at 256kbps, but we continue fooling the public by advertising unlimited speeds @ 4 Mbps.. ..

 

I just don't see how a unlimited local note book is relevant to a limited synchronized cloud notebook. People here should just admit, hell, yeah, EN does not provide more than 250 notebooks, so learn to live with it, instead of telling the already frustrated user, dude, no problem if your 250 syncd notebooks are over, you can still use unlimited local notebooks which wont sync across the cloud anymore, making the already frustrated user think to himself - "Dude, if i wanted to stay local, i would not have come to the cloud, and worse, if i have exhausted my quota of 250 books, i have also paid for it, and am now stuck up with no where to go."

[kshivner 1]

 

250 notebooks is not enough, I am finding myself having to delete notebooks and as a premium member the limit should be more

like 500 or limitless

Regards

Rob

I'd be interested in hearing about your note to notebook ratio and how that settles out. This is an honest question--I have about 16 different notebooks and a little over 700 notes--I couldn't imagine having that many notebooks. Do you have a pretty large number of notes? Does the infrastructure support lots of different automated note creation?

 

 

When you have your personal knowledge base and then you add in genealogy which adds a lot of notebooks I have hit it very easily - if you try and use evernote fully you will find out very quickly that 250 is way toooo small

[lpr 35]

All info for all cars (insurance, tags, maintenance, etc) goes into that notebook. Tags do the differentiation. So I add my note to the "Auto info" notebook & simply tag it "Car A". Boom, yer done. There is nothing in the note itself I would do differently if I had a separate "Car A" notebook.

Not to beat this mercilessly beaten dead horse but... your workflow adds a second step to the process of creating a note that I do not have in a multi stack/notebook system. Mine is, I add my note to the correct notebook and Boom, yer done.

Thank you... I was beginning to think I was the only one...

[BurgersNFries 2,407]

KB says 250 synchronized, unlimited local:

https://support.evernote.com/link/portal/16051/16058/Article/532/Overview-of-Account-Data-Limits

This is like the "Fair Usage Policy" gimmick done by ISP's in India. They advertise 4 Mbps unlimited plan, the user gets awed, purchased the plan and a week later, his plan became slow. The plan was to give the user only 4-5 GB of data with speeds of 4 Mbps, and then shrink it to 256kbps, and they can always tell the user, we only promised you unlimited. Here, you go - you can browse all as much as you want at 256kbps, but we continue fooling the public by advertising unlimited speeds @ 4 Mbps.. ..

I just don't see how a unlimited local note book is relevant to a limited synchronized cloud notebook. People here should just admit, hell, yeah, EN does not provide more than 250 notebooks, so learn to live with it, instead of telling the already frustrated user, dude, no problem if your 250 syncd notebooks are over, you can still use unlimited local notebooks which wont sync across the cloud anymore, making the already frustrated user think to himself - "Dude, if i wanted to stay local, i would not have come to the cloud, and worse, if i have exhausted my quota of 250 books, i have also paid for it, and am now stuck up with no where to go."

If I ever find a post of yours that appears to be anything other than trollish, I'll spend time answering. As it is, I've yet to see one & have a tendency to ignore your posts. Just FYI, so that in case you think I'm ignoring you, you're right.

[ScottLougheed 1,316]

 

 

250 notebooks is not enough, I am finding myself having to delete notebooks and as a premium member the limit should be more

like 500 or limitless

Regards

Rob

I'd be interested in hearing about your note to notebook ratio and how that settles out. This is an honest question--I have about 16 different notebooks and a little over 700 notes--I couldn't imagine having that many notebooks. Do you have a pretty large number of notes? Does the infrastructure support lots of different automated note creation?

 

 

When you have your personal knowledge base and then you add in genealogy which adds a lot of notebooks I have hit it very easily - if you try and use evernote fully you will find out very quickly that 250 is way toooo small

 

I think there are a lot of ways to user evernote fully, some of which might run into the 250 notebook limit, many other ways of using it fully (however that is defined) will not necessarily encounter that limit. 

 

I'm not saying you are wrong for encountering this limit (in your other post, I recognize how your use case might be challenging), but rather just to point out that using Evernote to its fullest and using a great many notebooks do not necessarily go hand in hand. 

[lpr 35]

For all you fervent tag users, thanks again for all your tips.

My whole point was never to declare notebooks better than tags, but rather to point out that while one might fit the needs of one particular person, the other might be much better for another person's needs.... And that it would make a lot more sense if we were able to use both in an unlimited manner... Everyone would be happy.

Also, I have pointed this out already but it seems to have gone un-noticed so here I go again.

Tags offer ZERO "collapsable" / "folder structure" organization on IOS at the moment. So while I am able to use them more or less the same way as folders on OSX , not so for IOS devices.

[jefito 5,586]

True, but I'm still not convinced that there has to be a limit.

If computing were mathematics, you would be essentially correct, however, computing is the art and practice of bounded mathematics.

[BurgersNFries 2,407]

When you have your personal knowledge base and then you add in genealogy which adds a lot of notebooks I have hit it very easily - if you try and use evernote fully you will find out very quickly that 250 is way toooo small

As has been stated many times, use more tags, descriptive titles & keywords & less notebooks. I've yet to see any example (and there have been many posted) where tags would not work.

Having said that, I would also say Evernote may not be the best tool for doing your family tree, just like it's not the best tool for balancing your bank account.

[jefito 5,586]

just reached this limit today and i googled this thread. 

 

i'd like to add one more thing that books do but tags don't, which is an unimaginably huge pain in the ass for me. that is, notes can only belong to one book. yes, sometimes this is useful, people. i'm a researcher and i use evernote to track my experiments. each of my stacks represents one experiment. each book in a stack is a phase/step/test in the experiment. and each note is a sample. man do i have a lot of samples. now, after a sample have passed a test/gone through a phase...etc, i move it to another book. this usually happens to hundreds of samples simultaneously. with books i have no problem. when i move the notes from one book to another, they disappear in the old book and appear in the new book. but if i use tags instead of books, here it comes: when i "move" hundreds of samples to a new tag, they are not actually "moved". the new tag is simply added on besides the old tag. i have to go through these hundreds of samples one by one to remove the old tag. and i can't just delete the old tag because i still have other samples under that test/phase/procedure.

 

i can't use local books either because i need to access the information on many different computers. 

 

so, is there another way to do this or am i just screwed?

Not that I know of -- that's just how tags work. Unlike notebooks, you don't "move a note under" (or "to" a tag, you "apply" a tag to a note, and as you relate, you can have more than one tag per note. That's really the descriptive power of tags, since it allows you to cross-categorize notes according to separate schemes, which a truly hierarchical system doesn't accommodate so easily. If you need to enforce a one-tag-per-note regime, you might find the mass-tagging facilities of Evernote to be helpful, though. If you're using the Windows, you can multi-select a group of notes, you can tag them all identically using the Assign Tags dialog (Ctrl+Alt+T), or use the panel that appears where the note display is for single selection. Also, if you take a step back, you may be able to come up with a strategy that uses both notebooks and tags in combination.

[jefito 5,586]

At this point, Evernote knows that some customers want a higher notebook limit. I doubt that anyone is being helped by personal attacks. Locking the thread.

[SebR 146]

http://www.cyndislist.com/evernote/how-to/

[May 268]

I'm starting to wonder if the initial EN dev team was just wicked smart with a plan.

[tr549 0]

Thank you all for your research.  I am still confused about limitations on notes and notebooks in the business edition, and I am wanting to promote Evernote for use in my company.  I don't feel Evernote has made this clear in the documentation, and I have spent a fair amount of time looking.

 

From a business webinar recap (4/19 I think), there was a statement that you can have 250 personal and 250 joined/linked notebooks.  In the developer documentation, there are references to 5,000 notebooks and 500,000 notes per business "account".  From the support call above the term "synchronized" has been added to the mix.

 

Here is my interpretation of all the above.  Someone please clarify where I am mistaken.

 

A user can have 250 personal notebooks and 100,000 personal notes, which matches the premium account limits.

The 250 personal notebooks can all either be shared or linked to.

The business library can have 5,000 notebooks and 500,000 notes independent of an individual user's account.

All content in the business library (5,000/500,000) is available to be synchronized, and by inference joined, back to a business users desktop client

 

Thanks

[jbenson2 2,138]

People always ask for no limits and no restrictions on their stuff. Look at the USA election results a few days ago.

It is human nature.

It is also human nature to forget about the unseen costs that must be borne by the young start-up companies.

Costs? "Why it's just electronic data bits floating around the cloud. That should be free to the consumer."

But is all this stuff free?

http://goo.gl/T3gkd

I think not.

[GrumpyMonkey 4,314]

People always ask for no limits and no restrictions on their stuff. It is human nature.

It is also human nature to forget about the unseen costs that must be borne by the young start-up companies.

Costs? "It's just electronic data bits floating around the cloud. That should be free to the consumer."

But is all this stuff free?

http://goo.gl/T3gkd

I think not.

I agree. I'd prefer to have everything unlimited, and I've asked for it in the past, but we do live in a world of limited resources: human, financial, bandwidth, etc. 250 seems like a small limit, especially if you have a bunch of shared notebooks. But, maybe that's what Evernote needs to do in order to best allocate their resources. As a user with one main notebook (a handful of shared ones for certain projects), nearly 10,000 notes, and no chance of hitting the limit in the next few centuries, I am not especially passionate about removing this limit

If you work within the parameters of the service, organize around Evernote's strengths, and make use of tags (yes, I know some people have a totally understandable aversion to them) then the limits are irrelevant to most use cases.

[gazumped 9,565]

KB says 250 synchronized, unlimited local:

 

https://support.evernote.com/link/portal/16051/16058/Article/532/Overview-of-Account-Data-Limits

 

This is like the "Fair Usage Policy" gimmick done by ISP's in India. They advertise 4 Mbps unlimited plan, the user gets awed, purchased the plan and a week later, his plan became slow. The plan was to give the user only 4-5 GB of data with speeds of 4 Mbps, and then shrink it to 256kbps, and they can always tell the user, we only promised you unlimited. Here, you go - you can browse all as much as you want at 256kbps, but we continue fooling the public by advertising unlimited speeds @ 4 Mbps.. ..

 

I just don't see how a unlimited local note book is relevant to a limited synchronized cloud notebook. People here should just admit, hell, yeah, EN does not provide more than 250 notebooks, so learn to live with it, instead of telling the already frustrated user, dude, no problem if your 250 syncd notebooks are over, you can still use unlimited local notebooks which wont sync across the cloud anymore, making the already frustrated user think to himself - "Dude, if i wanted to stay local, i would not have come to the cloud, and worse, if i have exhausted my quota of 250 books, i have also paid for it, and am now stuck up with no where to go."

 

Wow - conspiracy theory much?  You may have noticed that the initial question about this was a top of the head query from me...

 

Since the fix for a notebook overload is to 'merge notebooks' and users usually kick off about that,  I wondered whether

1. the limit applied to local notebooks because the monthly upload limit doesn't,  so it seemed possible that the overall limit would not,  and
2. users might be able to sort notes into local books to aid tagging and merging if they wanted to switch from notebook-centric to tag-centric,  or something in between.

..and since there was no definite resolution to my query (although we seem about 80% certain this works),  I'd mention this only as a possibility if it arises again.

 

I don't see Evernote making this a major marketing issue anytime soon.

 

And I'm not an alien.  Honest.

[Martin Packer 162]

Playing devil's advocate... I'll repeat that... Playing devil's advocate... :-)

I wonder why there even SHOULD be a limit. I assume an integer field and just hope it isn't a single byte. :-) I could be wrong but I don't suppose it to have any impact on Evernote - servers or clients.

It seems to me that the main issue with >250 notebooks, or indeed >25 is usability. Somehow I might be approaching 25 - but I don't WANT as many as that. * And I certainly don't find the number I have particularly usable.

But give the OP enough rope... :-)

* And the reason for notebooks I don't want is mainly applications that insist on having their own - or at least default to that.

[GrumpyMonkey 4,314]

Thank you all for your research.  I am still confused about limitations on notes and notebooks in the business edition, and I am wanting to promote Evernote for use in my company.  I don't feel Evernote has made this clear in the documentation, and I have spent a fair amount of time looking.

 

From a business webinar recap (4/19 I think), there was a statement that you can have 250 personal and 250 joined/linked notebooks.  In the developer documentation, there are references to 5,000 notebooks and 500,000 notes per business "account".  From the support call above the term "synchronized" has been added to the mix.

 

Here is my interpretation of all the above.  Someone please clarify where I am mistaken.

 

A user can have 250 personal notebooks and 100,000 personal notes, which matches the premium account limits.

The 250 personal notebooks can all either be shared or linked to.

The business library can have 5,000 notebooks and 500,000 notes independent of an individual user's account.

All content in the business library (5,000/500,000) is available to be synchronized, and by inference joined, back to a business users desktop client

 

Thanks

I agree that the documentation (for everything, not just Business) is woefully inadequate, but then again, in an earlier career I wrote manuals for colleagues and took on a lot of translation projects for manuals, so I am one of those people who (even if I don't always read it) wants to have every single thing written down somewhere for reference.

It's probably unrealistic, but what I'd like to see Evernote do is hire someone full-time to write this documentation and keep it updated for every single iteration of the apps, with screenshots and all the other nice things that makes a user's life easier. All of these limits ought to be spelled out (I have been advocating for this for a while, and I know the Evernote staff have heard me on this!), and I am hoping they eventually will be.

Take heart: I think you just spelled out the limits in the clearest and most concise way possible. Maybe you should apply for that position I suggested

For the time being, I am promoting your post to an "article." I don't know what that means quite yet (a moderator tool), but I'll experiment with it and see where it goes!

[BurgersNFries 2,407]

I'm starting to wonder if the initial EN dev team was just wicked smart with a plan.��I don't know.

Do you mean the initial Russian developers, I.e. Stepan Pachikov and his team who used to develop some cool stuff for the very first tablet computer back in the late 80s early 90s?

I mean, I wouldn't be surprised if that's the case since they were quite ahead of their time.

Yup. IIRC, they first did the image OCR thing? So maybe the grand plan was to have tags vs sub-things (b/c it would scale & cross platform better. And, IMO is really a better option once one starts thinking 'outside the box'). And if/when someone exceeds the X number of notes, by that time they'd have notebook sharing/searching in play. I just don't know. But it kind of makes sense, in a way. If there's a viable, limiting factor to the number of notes you can have in an account, then kind of "daisy chain" them together, if/when any user gets that many notes. Or maybe it's just my Friday afternoon ponderings gone astray.

[Sugeeth Krish 250]

See, here's what I am hearing from Evernote since day one:

We want you to use the app to put ALL THE STUFF YOU WANT TO REMEMBER in it.

We want you to use our app FOR A LONG TIME.

The more people will have in it, the more likely they will be to stick to it because they will have invested so much important data in to. Basically, they will NEED it.

And that's exactly what I have done. Two years , thousands of hours of research filed in this app.

And I did this because I was under the impression, from listening to Phil Libin that this was an app that was dedicated to follow its users through many years, if not life.

So now , that Evernote is indeed crucial to my life because I have invested all this time and data in it, NOW it lets me down and tell me I can not keep on using it?

I seriously think I have a reason to be pissed here. Also this limit might be written somewhere but it surely is not advertised a lot. I never heard of it and I'v been keeping a very close eye on Evernote BECAUSE I have so much invested in it.

When you encourage users to commit so much into your app you have a responsibility towards them.

There's nothing that says you can't continue to keep adding stuff to Evernote for years to come. Evernote emphasizes using tags rather than relying upon so many notebooks or even subnotebooks (which don't exist in EN.) Like I said, if you read some of the tag vs notebooks threads and calm down a bit, I think you'll see you can very easily reduce the number of notebooks you have & with no loss of functionality. I've been using EN since 2008 & have over 52,000 notes. There's not a day that goes by that I don't add notes & most days I add probably at list 15 or more. I've never reached the 250 limit. Yeah, everyone works differently. But I have to say, IMO, the tag thing is brilliant. But it does require thinking a bit differently than one has in the past.

 

What your basically telling the other person is that he has to mould his organizational structure to suit the shortcomings of a serious issue that Evernote hardly stresses upon, and also a respondent tells him that he must find another place. This person is a premium user and has spent 2 years using Evernote and he finds himself in a mess, and people are suggesting that he turn to tags. It is of no relevance to him that you have 52000 notes or i have 5000. What concerns him is that his organizational structure which he deems best for his needs well within the frame work of what EN offers is basically screwed. And EN is not an app, where you say, Ok Dude, Am quitting and just quit. True, EN may give you back your notes, but it doesn't give back the amount of hours that you spent organizing them. So, if you have invested 6 or 7 months with likely 2000+ notes, well, your not going to quit Evernote, just because some mod tells you to quit. ( I don't mean you, but some responders do tell you this)

 

I think that tags Vs Notebooks is a matter of personal convenience. I started off with tags and my 90% of my workflow deals with a specific topic which has a number of subtopics all of which i was using the same tag. But when i wanted to search for a particular topic 90% of my notes were tagged with the same thing and nothing to differentiate. I soon changed my work flow to notebooks and find it much better and TAGS are now redundant for me. Another person may choose the other. So, tell a user who has used EN for 2 years to change his organizational flow within EN's parameters really doesn't sound right.

 

Or, atleast EN needs to make these upper limits more prominent, like each time a new Notebook is added, say 38/250 - 39/250 and so on..

[jefito 5,586]

As a recent convert to tags I'd like share a view. "Is there much difference?"

...

So for me I see notebooks and tags as really being the same thing (file attributes) but with more restrictions on how you use notebooks. I'm sold on tags.

But they're really not the same thing: notebooks partition your notes into separate collections (a note belongs to exactly one notebook), while tags just label notes (a note can have multiple tags). Notebooks are also the base units for certain operations (local notebooks, offline notebooks, shared notebooks) and these work regardless of tags.

So while notebooks and tags are similar, they're not identical, and it's good to know how they differ. I tend to use notebooks sparingly, but I do maintain more than one.

[Sugeeth Krish 250]

 

KB says 250 synchronized, unlimited local:

https://support.evernote.com/link/portal/16051/16058/Article/532/Overview-of-Account-Data-Limits

This is like the "Fair Usage Policy" gimmick done by ISP's in India. They advertise 4 Mbps unlimited plan, the user gets awed, purchased the plan and a week later, his plan became slow. The plan was to give the user only 4-5 GB of data with speeds of 4 Mbps, and then shrink it to 256kbps, and they can always tell the user, we only promised you unlimited. Here, you go - you can browse all as much as you want at 256kbps, but we continue fooling the public by advertising unlimited speeds @ 4 Mbps.. ..

I just don't see how a unlimited local note book is relevant to a limited synchronized cloud notebook. People here should just admit, hell, yeah, EN does not provide more than 250 notebooks, so learn to live with it, instead of telling the already frustrated user, dude, no problem if your 250 syncd notebooks are over, you can still use unlimited local notebooks which wont sync across the cloud anymore, making the already frustrated user think to himself - "Dude, if i wanted to stay local, i would not have come to the cloud, and worse, if i have exhausted my quota of 250 books, i have also paid for it, and am now stuck up with no where to go."

If I ever find a post of yours that appears to be anything other than trollish, I'll spend time answering. As it is, I've yet to see one & have a tendency to ignore your posts. Just FYI, so that in case you think I'm ignoring you, you're right.

 

I come here most of the time to vent my frustration when something goes wrong with EN, or i believe that something is lacking in EN. There is a substantial percentage of people like me, who come for the same. I think I am representative of such users, who like EN as much as you do, but will say that "wrong is wrong".  If you think that i troll and won't respond, so be it. I'll be most happy.

[hughjc 19]

Why are the number of notebooks limited at all?  I would like to see the limit removed or at least increased to some large number.

 

In my case, I separate my research notes by the resource they came from.  Each source is a separate notebook.  250 is not sufficient for my use.

The search function is only your friend if you are willing to quietly accept the limitations of the program.  I agree that the 250 notebook limit is too low.  I also think it is made worse by the fact that (at least on the Mac & iOS versions) there is no way to know your current notebook/stack count.  EN also does not notify you of exceeding the limit when syncing and simply does not sync notes that exceed the limit.

 

So even if you find a very thorough discussion of an issue, you should still make your voice heard or Evernote will think we are all as happy as the evangelists...

 

Hugh

[Sugeeth Krish 250]

 

KB says 250 synchronized, unlimited local:

 

https://support.evernote.com/link/portal/16051/16058/Article/532/Overview-of-Account-Data-Limits

 

This is like the "Fair Usage Policy" gimmick done by ISP's in India. They advertise 4 Mbps unlimited plan, the user gets awed, purchased the plan and a week later, his plan became slow. The plan was to give the user only 4-5 GB of data with speeds of 4 Mbps, and then shrink it to 256kbps, and they can always tell the user, we only promised you unlimited. Here, you go - you can browse all as much as you want at 256kbps, but we continue fooling the public by advertising unlimited speeds @ 4 Mbps.. ..

 

I just don't see how a unlimited local note book is relevant to a limited synchronized cloud notebook. People here should just admit, hell, yeah, EN does not provide more than 250 notebooks, so learn to live with it, instead of telling the already frustrated user, dude, no problem if your 250 syncd notebooks are over, you can still use unlimited local notebooks which wont sync across the cloud anymore, making the already frustrated user think to himself - "Dude, if i wanted to stay local, i would not have come to the cloud, and worse, if i have exhausted my quota of 250 books, i have also paid for it, and am now stuck up with no where to go."

 

Wow - conspiracy theory much?  You may have noticed that the initial question about this was a top of the head query from me...

 

Since the fix for a notebook overload is to 'merge notebooks' and users usually kick off about that,  I wondered whether

1. the limit applied to local notebooks because the monthly upload limit doesn't,  so it seemed possible that the overall limit would not,  and
2. users might be able to sort notes into local books to aid tagging and merging if they wanted to switch from notebook-centric to tag-centric,  or something in between.

..and since there was no definite resolution to my query (although we seem about 80% certain this works),  I'd mention this only as a possibility if it arises again.

 

I don't see Evernote making this a major marketing issue anytime soon.

 

And I'm not an alien.  Honest.

I really don't have a problem with limits on number of notebooks and notes. The thing is that EN advertises you to go totally paperless and bring every facet of their life, which means once They start using EN, EN becomes indispensable for them. What they don't know is about this restriction. They choose an organization structure that suits them best. ( For instance the researchers may have be having 100s of subtopics.) So, to force them on tags is kind of ***** up their organization structure of information.

 

What i think is EN needs to make this important info clear - like 5/250,6/250,7.250 .. etc.. and 51/100000, 52/1000000. That way the user understands at beginning that only 250 notebooks and 100,000 notes maximum.

[BurgersNFries 2,407]

The search function is only your friend if you are willing to quietly accept the limitations of the program.

 

 

The search is not the best, but in some cases (like this one), it's very useful.

 

 

or Evernote will think we are all as happy as the evangelists..

 

 

Please elaborate. Pretty much every (every?) evangelist has things they wish EN would do.  If you're such an unhappy user, perhaps EN is not the app for you. Nothing worse than staying with an app that doesn't work for you & that you feel the need to constantly/regularly complain about.  (shrug)

[BurgersNFries 2,407]

I just looked in my Evernotes & I guess Stepan Pachikov didn't do the image OCR'ing but rather the handwriting OCR'ing. Per my Evernote wrt the history of Evernote (the clip is dated 6/23/10 in my Evernote):

" The process involves multiple steps. You can use Evernote to clip out anything — headlines, text, pictures, handwritten notes, take voice notes, or save photos. You can add categories or put the clippings into notebooks. Then Evernote indexes the data and you can search on anything via keyword, tags, notebooks or other categories. The search results show you everything associated with certain topics.

The company is hitting its stride now, but it wasn’t easy. It was founded in 2005 by Stepan Pachikov, an Azerbiijan-born entrepreneur who founded a number of Russian software companies. He developed the necessary image recognition and processing technologies to make the service work quickly. The vision of creating a memory aid was always the same, but Libin joined in mid-2007 and helped the company do a major relaunch.

The free version launched in June, 2008. The number of users grew gradually and organically. There was no built-in sharing function in the software that would have made it inherently viral. The app was simply useful and users shared it with their friends.

The company expanded it to the iPhone, Mac, Windows PC, the web, and Android phones. About 60 percent of the audience is in the U.S. About 40 percent is overseas, with a large markte in Japan. Now the audience is 2.7 million users, with 7,000 added each day. The number of premium subscribers was 50,000 as of a couple of months ago. That was 1.8 percent of total users, and it was 6 percent of the active users (who used it in the last month).

Libin dove into details of one of the statistical groups, known as a cohort. He noted that 31,334 users signed up for the service in March, 2008. Of those, 50 percent stopped using it in the first month. Then the number of users dropped until about 11,000 of the 31,334 users became regular users coming back every month."

FWIW, the link (mobile.venturebeat.com/2010/03/26/freemium-summit-evernote-shares-the-insider-secrets-of-free-apps/) appears to now be dead & is a testament to using Evernote!

[tgessner 0]

Thanx Hugh.

 

I did search, but for whatever reason, did not see the previous discussions.  Nevertheless, I agree with Hugh, the more comments the more likely that changes will come.

 

It isn't a matter of not liking Evernote.  As with any feature requests, it is the hope that Evernote will be an even better fit for our use.  I wrote software for 20+ years before returning for my PhD.  I am well aware that user feedback does have an impact on design (or at least should have).

 

Thanx

Tim

[GrumpyMonkey 4,314]

Hi OP. I heard you loud and clear about tags in iOS. That is why I recommended tailoring your workflow / organization to the clients you use the most. I use neither tags nor notebooks at the moment because the effort does not produce sufficient rewards. When tags and notebooks become more full-featured in iOS, then I'll reconsider.

As for the number of notebooks, I think most would agree that unlimited would be great, but they'd also say that we don't have that, and might never have that, so you gotta work with what you got, and the tools we already have at our disposal (tags) are very powerful.

Given that an application like Evernote, which involves tens of millions of users all over the world, and is on every major platform, could not turn on a dime, even if it wanted to, your request will probably not be granted immediately. In the meantime, I suggest adapting yourself to the app that is, not the app you want it to be.

[Martin Packer 162]

@GM, I'm underwhelmed by the usefulness of tags as well. In fact I don't really know why I use them. Text (and maybe image and voice) analytics seems much the best way to go. Already I like the fact the Firefox Extension lets you add Evernote searches to normal web ones. I suspect much more could be done.

But I'm changing the topic here. So I won't. :-)

[GrumpyMonkey 4,314]

KB says 250 synchronized, unlimited local:

 

https://support.evernote.com/link/portal/16051/16058/Article/532/Overview-of-Account-Data-Limits

 

This is like the "Fair Usage Policy" gimmick done by ISP's in India. They advertise 4 Mbps unlimited plan, the user gets awed, purchased the plan and a week later, his plan became slow. The plan was to give the user only 4-5 GB of data with speeds of 4 Mbps, and then shrink it to 256kbps, and they can always tell the user, we only promised you unlimited. Here, you go - you can browse all as much as you want at 256kbps, but we continue fooling the public by advertising unlimited speeds @ 4 Mbps.. ..

 

I just don't see how a unlimited local note book is relevant to a limited synchronized cloud notebook. People here should just admit, hell, yeah, EN does not provide more than 250 notebooks, so learn to live with it, instead of telling the already frustrated user, dude, no problem if your 250 syncd notebooks are over, you can still use unlimited local notebooks which wont sync across the cloud anymore, making the already frustrated user think to himself - "Dude, if i wanted to stay local, i would not have come to the cloud, and worse, if i have exhausted my quota of 250 books, i have also paid for it, and am now stuck up with no where to go."

 

Wow - conspiracy theory much?  You may have noticed that the initial question about this was a top of the head query from me...

 

Since the fix for a notebook overload is to 'merge notebooks' and users usually kick off about that,  I wondered whether

• the limit applied to local notebooks because the monthly upload limit doesn't,  so it seemed possible that the overall limit would not,  and
• users might be able to sort notes into local books to aid tagging and merging if they wanted to switch from notebook-centric to tag-centric,  or something in between.

..and since there was no definite resolution to my query (although we seem about 80% certain this works),  I'd mention this only as a possibility if it arises again.

 

I don't see Evernote making this a major marketing issue anytime soon.

 

And I'm not an alien.  Honest.

I really don't have a problem with limits on number of notebooks and notes. The thing is that EN advertises you to go totally paperless and bring every facet of their life, which means once They start using EN, EN becomes indispensable for them. What they don't know is about this restriction. They choose an organization structure that suits them best. ( For instance the researchers may have be having 100s of subtopics.) So, to force them on tags is kind of ***** up their organization structure of information.

 

What i think is EN needs to make this important info clear - like 5/250,6/250,7.250 .. etc.. and 51/100000, 52/1000000. That way the user understands at beginning that only 250 notebooks and 100,000 notes maximum.

I am a researcher. I have a single notebook. I am paperless. It works fine.

Evernote does tell you the limits.

https://support.evernote.com/link/portal/16051/16058/Article/532/Overview-of-Account-Data-Limits

It's mentioned in blog posts.

http://blog.evernote.com/blog/2012/12/18/8-power-ways-evernote-can-help-you-get-more-from-your-research-in-2013-and-a-new-ambassador/

It's easily Google-able.

https://www.google.com/search?q=evernote+notebook+limit&aq=f&oq=evernote+notebook+limit&aqs=chrome.0.57j0l3j62l2.3892&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8

Could they do better at educating people? Yes. Is it a conspiracy to ruin the lives of researchers. No

[BurgersNFries 2,407]

Thanx Hugh.

 

I did search, but for whatever reason, did not see the previous discussions.  Nevertheless, I agree with Hugh, the more comments the more likely that changes will come.

 

It isn't a matter of not liking Evernote.  As with any feature requests, it is the hope that Evernote will be an even better fit for our use.  I wrote software for 20+ years before returning for my PhD.  I am well aware that user feedback does have an impact on design (or at least should have).

 

Thanx

Tim

 

 

No where did I say it should not be discussed.  I *did* point out that searching the board is helpful as it will show several threads on the topic already, including ideas on how to use tags rather than notebooks so that you do not encounter this issue.

[jefito 5,586]

+1 on more hierarchies. As a developer, I want the structure to be something like ...<snipped>

Er, I was actually just echoing hughjc's wish for the iOS clients to be able to display the notebook/stack list as it does on the Mac and other clients. As a developer, I couldn't care much less about hierarchies of notebooks, since tags are capable of doing nearly all of the organizing I need.

[megsaint 441]

And I'm not an alien.  Honest.

 

But isn't that what you'd say if you were an alien? 

[GrumpyMonkey 4,314]

@GM, I'm underwhelmed by the usefulness of tags as well. In fact I don't really know why I use them. Text (and maybe image and voice) analytics seems much the best way to go. Already I like the fact the Firefox Extension lets you add Evernote searches to normal web ones. I suspect much more could be done.

But I'm changing the topic here. So I won't. :-)

I think if I could easily access the tags right on the screen, instead of having them at least a tap away (more if you are changing or adding) then I'd be more likely to invest time and effort into tags.

If I could sort by tags (like on Windows), I'd use them more.

If I could do batch operations (select multiple notes at once to tag) then I'd use them more.

If I could see them displayed in list view (Windows) thenI'd use them more.

As it stands now, the iPad just doesn't access much of the potential in tags. It will get there someday, but just not yet.

[SebR 146]

What is the max value you can write with 2 digits ? 99 right ?

What is arbitrary here is the 2 [digits] "boxes", the constraint is the numerals you can use, 0 to 9.

Computers works the same way and softwares too. A database is like a collection of excel sheet, where each column have a defined  size. And computer are stupid (but speedy), they have to know the size and they'll use all this size in their working memory even if you only have to use 0 to 9 as max value.

Larger the numbers are, larger you use memory and processor.

 

Then, what if I want to use this 2 digits to write people age ? Is it enough or not ?

- if there is some centenaries in my clients...I've got an issue

- but if I only have active people in my clients... it's perfect

- and if I only have baby, well it works but I've got one useless case... I waste resources.

 

There is no more random or arbitrary here than in the prices you set or the budget you have.

This is by design.

 

EN has been designed - his limits and features - for an intended use. And they estimated 250 NB, 100k notes, 100k tags... were confortable limits for this use.

 

(about "unlimited" ads, well I agree. This is not EN specific but this is toxic marketing -  I guess few people believes something could be really unlimited - only imagination is )

[jefito 5,586]

And I'm not an alien.  Honest.

 

But isn't that what you'd say if you were an alien? 

That was cute, the both of yez.

@gazumped, what a difference an 'an' makes...

[JMichaelTX 4,104]

Business accounts allow you to share a NB with 5,000 people.

 

See What are the system limits of Evernote?

[hughjc 19]

It's great to hear that so many of you make EN work with your data in so few notebooks. In my case I need to use more notebooks. Can I compromise my workflow and shift over to lots of tags? Sure but I want to stress the word compromise. My current setup is PERFECT for me, except I occasionally hit the 250 notebook limit. I have 2500 notes, mostly images (floor plans, photos, etc). As I said, I can manage the 250 notebook limit. The problem is I have no way of knowing my total notebook count without adding them all up.

[jefito 5,586]

Well, you know that there's a fixed limit currently, and there's no indication that it's going to change any time soon, so it's either struggle to stay in bounds, or find a new workflow, I'm afraid.

[GrumpyMonkey 4,314]

I think we have to view third-party apps as "disposable heroes" :-) or "situational". Makes the cost case a little worse, but not too bad. But at least it gets the function out there and represents a kind of "market research" for the official Evernote app.

Amen to that.

Let's hope that's what they are doing. That and reading these forums.

Please do not double-post. I have deleted your post in this thread. Here is a link to the post you made in another thread on data loss.

As suggested there, please contact support. I would also recommend posting your ticket number here (or in the other thread) along with a report back on what Customer Support says. This will be a lot of help to users who might encounter similar issues again in the future.

[jefito 5,586]

Nevertheless, I agree with Hugh, the more comments the more likely that changes will come.

I'm not so sure that I would agree with this. The "we want Evenote for Linux" topic is quite long, but so far there's been no sign that Evernote is interested in providing one.

I am well aware that user feedback does have an impact on design (or at least should have).

It is, to some degree (and these forums are not the only way that Evernote gets that feedback), but it's no guarantee that it will move them on any particular issue. The feedback is fine, for sure, but Evernote cannot do everything that they are asked to do.

[keruchan 11]

Business account is too much.  what I'm saying is .. there are lots of small and average business who need more but not to the point of what a business account is offering. it is somewhere in between business and premium.  

[tardis 87]

Surely a researcher competent enough at their job as a professional information gatherer to be able to fill 250 notebooks is more than capable at educating themselves about a piece of software or service that depend on so heavily. I'm another researcher who keeps all of their work in one notebook. And I know the company policies on notebook, note, and upload limits because I looked for it. All of the information is available if you just look or ask.

 

The company isn't trying to trick anyone or employ bait and switch. Evernote can only do so much to make their policies known. At a certain point, the user needs to educate themselves and take responsibility for understanding the products they choose to rely on. Especially if it contains something as valuable to them as research for work. I've already put close to a decade into my studies. I don't just shove all that information into a software without understanding exactly how it works, what kinds of policies the company has, and what kinds of limits they impose on my usage. (And without keeping proper backups.) If the user finds the company's limits don't fit their workflow, they can either adapt to the software as it is or they can choose another product to use. 

[Sugeeth Krish 250]

Surely a researcher competent enough at their job as a professional information gatherer to be able to fill 250 notebooks is more than capable at educating themselves about a piece of software or service that depend on so heavily. I'm another researcher who keeps all of their work in one notebook. And I know the company policies on notebook, note, and upload limits because I looked for it. All of the information is available if you just look or ask.

 

The company isn't trying to trick anyone or employ bait and switch. Evernote can only do so much to make their policies known. At a certain point, the user needs to educate themselves and take responsibility for understanding the products they choose to rely on. Especially if it contains something as valuable to them as research for work. I've already put close to a decade into my studies. I don't just shove all that information into a software without understanding exactly how it works, what kinds of policies the company has, and what kinds of limits they impose on my usage. (And without keeping proper backups.) If the user finds the company's limits don't fit their workflow, they can either adapt to the software as it is or they can choose another product to use. 

 

I understand that all of you are intelligent enough to know EN's policies. More that matter, even i know that EN has a limit of 250 books. But, sadly, not everyone has the same amount of intellect, and that is why this thread has been started by someone in the first place.  EN publishes facts like Note Size, monthly usage and stuff very well, but it does not mention about its upper limitations, and as a regular user, until and unless you hit upon this stumbling block, you won't know its limitations, because i presume that the Users who posted in this thread may have thought that limitations exist only monthly as far as usage is concerned. Unlike usage bandwidth or storage, there is no rational logic to say why the notebooks must be 250 or notes 1,00,000. It is just some random number for an upper limit. So, if EN is going to put note restrictions even for premium users, i don't think there is any harm in mentioning it better.

 

And this issue has been raised several times in the past, so i don't EN can make simple changes to their interface to let things known. Secondly, i dispute the fact that the OP said that he is involved in research and does not need 250 books. Research was just one random example. There may be a teacher who manages information for 500 students and wants a seperate notebook for each student info or some other example like that case. Any person is free to choose and organize stuff within the framework of what the software offers as per his/her need and requirement. 

[jregel 2]

As the EN developers say they read the forums, I'd like to add my voice to those who want an increase in the number of notebooks. Although I'm only on about 120 notebooks at the moment, I can see this increasing in time as I put more into EN.

 

To those who advocate tags, I'm happy they work for you, but my workflow is perfectly served using multiple notebooks. Thanks.

[Martin Packer 162]

Maybe the original (apparently lower) was to make people think about whether notebooks were good organisational practice. And then someone persuaded Evernote to up the limit somehow, diluting the message.

[May 268]

Going back to the thread topic, IMHO Any limit isn't good enough. While I don't care about Notebooks all that much, I could see myself running out of 100,000 Notes or 10,000 Tags in somewhat near future since I've added more than 10,000 notes over the period of just past 6 months. Hitting a limit wouldn't be very convenient at all.

I would really prefer a simply limitless account, no limit - one problem less.

[jefito 5,586]

The company isn't trying to trick anyone or employ bait and switch. Evernote can only do so much to make their policies known.

I did hear a rumor that they were going to change the name of their product to "Evernote Which Only Allows 250 Notebooks and 100000 Notes So Enough Already".

[May 268]

I agree it would be nice to see Tags in the body of a note at a glance right away.

Other than that you can do all the things you list, the only thing you can't do on iPad is sorting by Tags.

You can do batch operations (select multiple notes at once to tag) and see them displayed in list view.

[logandb 224]

just reached this limit today and i googled this thread. 

 

i'd like to add one more thing that books do but tags don't, which is an unimaginably huge pain in the ass for me. that is, notes can only belong to one book. yes, sometimes this is useful, people. i'm a researcher and i use evernote to track my experiments. each of my stacks represents one experiment. each book in a stack is a phase/step/test in the experiment. and each note is a sample. man do i have a lot of samples. now, after a sample have passed a test/gone through a phase...etc, i move it to another book. this usually happens to hundreds of samples simultaneously. with books i have no problem. when i move the notes from one book to another, they disappear in the old book and appear in the new book. but if i use tags instead of books, here it comes: when i "move" hundreds of samples to a new tag, they are not actually "moved". the new tag is simply added on besides the old tag. i have to go through these hundreds of samples one by one to remove the old tag. and i can't just delete the old tag because i still have other samples under that test/phase/procedure.

 

i can't use local books either because i need to access the information on many different computers. 

 

so, is there another way to do this or am i just screwed?  

 

I'm not going to wade into the notebooks argument underlying this thread, but there is a way of adding and removing tags in bulk, as @jefito suggests.  If it helps, I've summarised it stepwise below:

1. select all of the samples you wish to operate on (this can be done by a search involving date, tag, keyword, etc.
3. In Windows, select Note/Tag... (or [CTRL][ALT]-T.
5. Uncheck the tag you wish to remove and check the tag to add.

This effectively 'moves' the notes from one tag to the other.

[Metrodon 2,162]

So many damn conspiracies around here, I'm going to have to build an extension for my tin foil hat...

[Metrodon 2,162]

Going back to the thread topic, IMHO Any limit isn't good enough. While I don't care about Notebooks all that much, I could see myself running out of 100,000 Notes or 10,000 Tags in somewhat near future since I've added more than 10,000 notes over the period of just past 6 months. Hitting a limit wouldn't be very convenient at all.

I would really prefer a simply limitless account, no limit - one problem less.

One problem less for you, but potentially lots more for Evernote

Over the years they have increased the number and size of different things - I'm sure number of notes will also rise again, but whether it ever becomes limitless is I think a lot less likely.

[tardis 87]

Nonsense. Working in an academic or research field doesn't magically possess someone with a higher intellect. I'm not a member of Mensa; I just work hard. Nor does it take a gifted individual to use Google, send an email, or use a forum. The point still stands: if you want to use something whether it be a service, a piece of software, or some kind of heavy machinery, it's up to you the user to educate yourself on what you're using. We're all adults here. We're all capable of taking responsibility and familiarizing ourselves with the products we use, work with, and eat on a daily basis. Particularly in the case of your teacher who's managing 500 students. No teacher worth their salt should be just randomly dumping 500 students worth of information into a program without knowing exactly what they're doing first.

 

I don't dispute your efforts to want to improve Evernote as a piece of software and as a service. There's nothing wrong with that. All of us here have our quibbles — some larger than others. But you might want to consider picking your battles a little more wisely. The information your arguing about is neither hidden nor remotely difficult to find. I'm sorry to people who have found out the hard way that Evernote has limits to what you can do with it but not everything can be provided for us. Sometimes we need to take the time to seek out the information we require.

[May 268]

Yeah, but what's the point of the limit? I mean when you can have unlimited amount of accounts? And they get like... millions of new users all the time...

I can create additional account and share notes from old account with myself. Same amount of data for Evernote to deal with, except now it's just spread over different accounts. Doesn't make much sense to me.

[GrumpyMonkey 4,314]

I agree it would be nice to see Tags in the body of a note at a glance right away.

Other than that you can do all the things you list, the only thing you can't do on iPad is sorting by Tags.

You can do batch operations (select multiple notes at once to tag) and see them displayed in list view.

http://discussion.ev...diphone/unread/

Yep. Just to be clear, this is not the app that Evernote develops, but a third-party integration by Shamrock Records. I'd like to see this kind of functionality in the Evernote app.