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Evernote for Mac 5.6 Public Beta 1


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Friends of Evernote!

 

We have an incredible release available today. It has more user-requested features/functionality than any single prior release of Evernote for Mac! 

 

Important: 

1. This is pre-release beta software. Users will have to manually update to this release for the time being. If you checked the preferences option to update to beta releases, you will be updated automatically soon. If you can't wait, this post is for you!

2. This release requires OS X 10.7+

 
At Evernote, we believe that speed and stability are essential for productivity. That’s why we’ve completely rewritten Evernote for Mac. It may look familiar but it's significantly faster, more reliable and consumes less energy than ever before.
 
Speed:
  • Sync is more than 3x faster. Users with lots of shared notebooks and Evernote Business users will see the biggest improvements.
  • New notes sync instantly so they’re immediately accessible on your other devices.
  • Share notes without waiting for a sync to complete.
  • Launch and quit times have been reduced dramatically.
  • New keyboard shortcuts have been added to jump to the note list for easy navigation (CMD + |) and you can now tab between the search field, the note list, current note title and note body.
  • Energy consumption when the app is idle has been significantly reduced.
 
Stability:
  • We’ve closed over 500 bugs including more than 150 types of crashes.
  • Our crash reporting system has been completely rebuilt.
 
New features:
  • Tables can now be resized, and have configurable background colors and border styles.
  • Images can be resized right in the note editor. Just click an image and drag the handle in the bottom right corner.
  • Search results are now ordered by relevance.
  • Faster notebook selector at the top of the note list remembers your recently used notebooks.
  • Redesigned checkboxes in the note editor are easier to click.
  • Evernote will now stay logged in by default.
 
Known issue:
  • Spotlight search is not currently functional
 
If you see a crash, please send a report! If you see an odd behavior, please post here.
 
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  • We’ve closed over 500 bugs including more than 150 types of crashes.

 

Thanks for being so candid, but I have to say, WOW!   500 bugs?????   150 crashes????

 

Please help me understand how the bug list could ever have grown to 500?

 

Great question :)

Any technical project of this magnitude under active development is likely to have more than 500 tickets. Our new note editor (present for the first time in this beta) has a total ticket count of over 300 already! Lots are closed. Many are lower priority. 

 

The purpose of the numbers is to give you a sense of scale when talking about releases. The numbers are pretty arbitrary. The message is just that this is the largest Mac client release since the v5 redesign of 18 months ago.

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Are these links for notes within the Evernote client?  I thought you meant URLs for shared notes.

 

 

Dan, yes. Sorry that wasn't clear. These are all notes linked using the the URL captured by right clicking on a note and selecting "Copy Classic Note Link". I frequently will link related notes using this method (i.e., copy URL using prior step and then pasting into another note by creating a link using Format>Link>Add... (or ⌘K ). I hope that clarifies the use case.

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Really glad to see the annotation feature getting enhanced – courtesy of Skitch.  The aspect I noticed today was the ability to resize the width of a text annotation – i.e to force text to wrap to a new line.  Good stuff – makes me like Evernote more!  :D

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I have just done a test with some notes URLs.  I tested with a note I made in 2013.  I had made a link to that note in Sep 2013 (the old link below).  I made a new link today (new).  If I paste the link within the Evernote app I get exactly the same link.  So maybe this change goes back before late 2013?  If I paste a link for a note direct into the web browser then I get the second link under new.  I don't know how Evernote devs managed to get my clipboard to know when I paste something into the web browser or the Evernote app!

 

 

Old (Sep 2013): 

evernote:///view/11211855/s100/5d7bd7fb-2773-4a92-8416-99706b44a8f9/5d7bd7fb-2773-4a92-8416-99706b44a8f9/

 

 

 

New

evernote:///view/11211855/s100/5d7bd7fb-2773-4a92-8416-99706b44a8f9/5d7bd7fb-2773-4a92-8416-99706b44a8f9/

 

https://www.evernote.com/shard/s100/nl/11211855/5d7bd7fb-2773-4a92-8416-99706b44a8f9/

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Installed yesterday, I was biting my fingernails, but the database upgrade went fine (except for apparently several hours of CPU intensive re-indexing of PDFs that ensued after the database was upgraded). Beta works fine so far.

 

One issue I noticed however is when typing into the search box. Sometimes the box starts to hide text I am typing (when I type in the search box, the text doesn't appear, box remains white as if it was preventing me from writing, but the list of notes below is activated when I type but nothing is displayed). It's odd a little bit.

 

After EN restart, search goes to normal. I'll continue to monitor it this is just random thing or happens regularly.

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So maybe this change goes back before late 2013? 

 

These are all notes linked more recently. It looks as if (from my naive perspective) EN re-indexed all of my notes when I installed the Beta. I'm sure I'm wrong, but that seems to be the symptom.

 

btw, I just setup your suggested Siri to Evernote workflow... AWESOME! Thanks for that tip.

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I found two separate folders in /Users/~/LIbrary/Application support.

 

The one called /Users/~/Library/Application Support/com.evernote.Evernote/OLD contains the folder with the old database. This is the one I deleted.

 

There is another folder: /Users/~/Library/Application Support/Evernote/accounts/Evernote/~/content which contains the database being currently used. This is the one you DON'T want to delete.

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Since upgrading to the 5.6 beta 1, I'm having no end of problems.   At this point, Evernote crashes as soon as I try to view any of the notes I created with 5.6.   In addition, the notes themselves seem to be growing with inserted blank lines -- thousand's of them.    The crash looks like below.   Even worse, when I try to downgrade to 5.5, I'm getting repeated sync errors and unable to complete a sync.   I've opened a trouble ticket on this, but very worrisome that this kind of instability is present.

 

Brent

 

 Process:         Evernote [2436]

Path:            /Applications/Evernote-2.app/Contents/MacOS/Evernote
Identifier:      com.evernote.Evernote
Version:         5.6.0 Public Beta 1 (450470)
Code Type:       X86-64 (Native)
Parent Process:  launchd [238]
Responsible:     Evernote [2436]
User ID:         501

Date/Time:       2014-07-08 17:35:23.228 -0700
OS Version:      Mac OS X 10.9.3 (13D65)
Report Version:  11
Anonymous UUID:  58B01D61-66D7-E0D7-245C-E8DD304817FA

Sleep/Wake UUID: AB7195FC-3B5A-469D-9884-E5D3FB81DB64

Crashed Thread:  20  Dispatch queue: NSManagedObjectContext Queue

Exception Type:  EXC_CRASH (SIGABRT)
Exception Codes: 0x0000000000000000, 0x0000000000000000

Application Specific Information:
abort() called

Thread 0:: main  Dispatch queue: com.apple.main-thread
0   libsystem_kernel.dylib         0x00007fff835a6a1a mach_msg_trap + 10
1   libsystem_kernel.dylib         0x00007fff835a5d18 mach_msg + 64
2   com.apple.CoreGraphics         0x00007fff88351c9b _CGSSynchronizeWindowBackingStore + 97
3   com.apple.CoreGraphics         0x00007fff882d3480 _CGSLockWindow + 3765
4   com.apple.CoreGraphics         0x00007fff882d2393 CGSDeviceLock + 240
5   libRIP.A.dylib                 0x00007fff8bc3a487 ripd_Lock + 43
6   libRIP.A.dylib                 0x00007fff8bc3a027 RIPLayerBltShape + 463
7   libRIP.A.dylib                 0x00007fff8bc38468 ripc_Render + 304
8   libRIP.A.dylib                 0x00007fff8bc342e1 ripc_DrawRects + 399
9   com.apple.CoreGraphics         0x00007fff882ced2a CGContextFillRects + 96
10  com.apple.AppKit               0x00007fff854ffc7f NSRectFill + 271
11  com.evernote.Evernote          0x00000001051179d8 0x104f8f000 + 1608152
12  com.apple.AppKit               0x00007fff854d10b1 -[NSView _drawRect:clip:] + 3846
13  com.apple.AppKit               0x00007fff854ce03c -[NSView _recursiveDisplayRectIfNeededIgnoringOpacity:isVisibleRect:rectIsVisibleRectForView:topView:] + 3199
14  com.apple.AppKit               0x00007fff854cebc4 -[NSView _recursiveDisplayRectIfNeededIgnoringOpacity:isVisibleRect:rectIsVisibleRectForView:topView:] + 6151
15  com.apple.AppKit               0x00007fff854cebc4 -[NSView _recursiveDisplayRectIfNeededIgnoringOpacity:isVisibleRect:rectIsVisibleRectForView:topView:] + 6151
16  com.apple.AppKit               0x00007fff854cebc4 -[NSView _recursiveDisplayRectIfNeededIgnoringOpacity:isVisibleRect:rectIsVisibleRectForView:topView:] + 6151
17  com.apple.AppKit               0x00007fff854cceb1 -[NSThemeFrame _recursiveDisplayRectIfNeededIgnoringOpacity:isVisibleRect:rectIsVisibleRectForView:topView:] + 314
18  com.apple.AppKit               0x00007fff854c9e9f -[NSView _displayRectIgnoringOpacity:isVisibleRect:rectIsVisibleRectForView:] + 2828
19  com.apple.AppKit               0x00007fff854a92fa -[NSView displayIfNeeded] + 1680
20  com.apple.Foundation           0x00007fff8cc1eafa __NSFirePerformWithOrder + 332
21  com.apple.CoreFoundation       0x00007fff8cf22e17 __CFRUNLOOP_IS_CALLING_OUT_TO_AN_OBSERVER_CALLBACK_FUNCTION__ + 23
22  com.apple.CoreFoundation       0x00007fff8cf22d87 __CFRunLoopDoObservers + 391
23  com.apple.CoreFoundation       0x00007fff8cf14468 __CFRunLoopRun + 776
24  com.apple.CoreFoundation       0x00007fff8cf13f25 CFRunLoopRunSpecific + 309
25  com.apple.HIToolbox            0x00007fff845dea0d RunCurrentEventLoopInMode + 226
26  com.apple.HIToolbox            0x00007fff845de685 ReceiveNextEventCommon + 173
27  com.apple.HIToolbox            0x00007fff845de5bc _BlockUntilNextEventMatchingListInModeWithFilter + 65
28  com.apple.AppKit               0x00007fff8537226e _DPSNextEvent + 1434
29  com.apple.AppKit               0x00007fff853718bb -[NSApplication nextEventMatchingMask:untilDate:inMode:dequeue:] + 122
30  com.apple.AppKit               0x00007fff853659bc -[NSApplication run] + 553
31  com.apple.AppKit               0x00007fff853507a3 NSApplicationMain + 940
32  com.evernote.Evernote          0x0000000104f91474 0x104f8f000 + 9332

etc...

 

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If you revert to 5.5.2, I would recommend wiping all your Evernote data including your prefs file (in terminal: defaults delete com.evernote.evernote).

 

Please make sure to submit your crash reports via app.

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jefito, well said.  Kinder than I wish to reply.

 

I am not a developer, just a user.  However, I do understand a computer and it's applications are no better than the programs that run them.  Humans create these applications and humans are not perfect.  Are you?  The development software is ever changing, the needs are ever changing, and Evernote is a huge application that does so many things, that I can only imagine the coding to create such an application is tremendously difficult to write.

 

So, I, as a user, am capable of tolerating some bugs and mishaps with applications.

 

And I agree, this world is NOT what it used to be.  Too many people wanting!  Not enough giving.

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In fact, I did exactly that, including going through Application Defaults and making sure nothing was left before downgrading.   It seems that the problem is not on the local machine, but rather 5.6 did something to the server database that is causing 5.5.2 to no longer be able to sync.   It is is hitting exceptions related to missing resource data:

 

374442e-4773-46b1-8969-1dd803f6f328 / application/x-iwork-numbers-sffnumbers
2014-07-08 16:29:34 sync [ENSyncEngine] INFO:   starting downloads...
2014-07-08 16:29:41  [ENSyncBatchDownloadOperation] ERROR: Exception fetching resource data: EDAMSystemException(errorCode:4,message:"ObjectNotFoundException",rateLimitDuration:0)
2014-07-08 16:29:41  [ENSyncBatchDownloadOperation] ERROR:   resource: [b08d193d-2589-4046-83fe-1d50a6cf8702]
2014-07-08 16:29:41  [ENSyncBatchDownloadOperation] ERROR:       note: [95c5ab3b-e29b-4142-8ab5-6571eb5fd462] 'Spectral Filtering'
2014-07-08 16:29:41  [ENSyncBatchDownloadOperation] ERROR: Exception during batch download: EDAMSystemException(errorCode:4,message:"ObjectNotFoundException",rateLimitDuration:0)
2014-07-08 16:29:41  [ENSyncBatchDownloadOperation] ERROR: (
0   CoreFoundation                      0x00007fff8cff225c __exceptionPreprocess + 172
1   libobjc.A.dylib                     0x00007fff839e6e75 objc_exception_throw + 43
2   Evernote                            0x0000000100324df6 -[EDAMNoteStoreClient getResourceData::] + 0
3   Evernote                            0x0000000100130b93 -[ENSyncBatchDownloadOperation main] + 1702
4   Foundation                          0x00007fff8cbac8a1 -[__NSOperationInternal _start:] + 631
5   Foundation                          0x00007fff8cbac54b __NSOQSchedule_f + 64
6   libdispatch.dylib                   0x00007fff8ba2b28d _dispatch_client_callout + 8
7   libdispatch.dylib                   0x00007fff8ba2f7e3 _dispatch_async_redirect_invoke + 154
8   libdispatch.dylib                   0x00007fff8ba2b28d _dispatch_client_callout + 8
9   libdispatch.dylib                   0x00007fff8ba2d082 _dispatch_root_queue_drain + 326
10  libdispatch.dylib                   0x00007fff8ba2e177 _dispatch_worker_thread2 + 40
11  libsystem_pthread.dylib             0x00007fff83402ef8 _pthread_wqthread + 314
12  libsystem_pthread.dylib             0x00007fff83405fb9 start_wqthread + 13
)
 
Even after I delete the "bad" note through the web app, the next sync hits the same error for a different note, ad inifinitum (or at least as far as I've tested).
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AppleScript problem?

 

I, for a long time, have used the following AppleScript (via an Alfred shortcut) to append a comment to the end of an existing note. The script no longer works. Haven't tried to troubleshoot yet... will do that soon, but thought I would first post to see if there is an obvious change in the way the beta is handling AppleScript.

 

fyi, in the code below, the variable 'q' is passed in from Alfred and includes the text being appended

 

 
tell application "Evernote"
set query to "notebook:\"Reference\" " & "\"" & "2014 Accomplishments" & "\""
set matches to find notes query
set AccomplishmentsNote to item 1 of matches
set today to do shell script "date '+%Y%m%d'"
set now to "<strong>" & today & "</strong>"
set entryContent to q & "<br>"
tell AccomplishmentsNote to append html (now & ": " & entryContent & return & return)
end tell
 
thanks for any tips or guidance! -- jay
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Wasn't sure where to put this, but crucially the handwritting recognition feature is broken in this version. It renders all my moleskin notebook notes useless so will need to downgrade. The bigger upgrade without a doubt is the search by relevance feature which I adore.

 

Please fix this in the next (Beta 3) beta:

 

SyYexHm.png?1

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I've got a sync issue.  Evernote app told me to delete a specific note which was causing the issue.  However, still getting the error which cites that same note as the source of the problem even though that note has been deleted.  I think this was an issue with how I upgraded the EN app rather than a bug with the release itself.  I did quit and restart the app too.

 

Perhaps there is a cache somewhere I can check for the presence of the offending note?  If not I will submit my activity log.

 

Can you check whether the note is in Trash (ie., Notebooks->Trash)?  If so, delete the note again there, and try sync again.

 

 

Yeah I did check Trash.  Its not in there.

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I'm enjoying the beta, and so far I really enjoy the speed.  One issue:

 

I use a Scansnap scanner.  Used to be that after I'd scan something, the newly created note would stay open in it's own window, so I could give it a title, assign a notebook, etc.  Now, it just goes to my default notebook, silently.  I have to go find it, then assign title, tags, notebook, etc.  

 

Not a huge deal, but scanning to Evernote is something I do every day, so I'd like to be able to use the old workflow.  

 

Thanks!

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I found two separate folders in /Users/~/LIbrary/Application support.

 

The one called /Users/~/Library/Application Support/com.evernote.Evernote/OLD contains the folder with the old database. This is the one I deleted.

 

There is another folder: /Users/~/Library/Application Support/Evernote/accounts/Evernote/~/content which contains the database being currently used. This is the one you DON'T want to delete.

 

Thanks Ursula, but all I found in  /Users/~/Library/Application Support/Evernote was a folder called 'quick-notes'.

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I don't think I've seen a response to the question of whether you intend to fix the erroneous keystroke for "paste and match style". The Mac convention is Cmd-Opt-Shift-V. 

 

In earlier versions of Evernote, you had it as Cmd-Shift-V. I reported the error and for a while it was fixed, but it's recently gone back to the wrong one. 

 

Am I missing something here? Is there a reason you want to violate Mac standards? (I hope not: I have another program that uses Cmd-Shift-V for something else.) 

 

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Today's build of Yosemite (seed 3) seems to have broken the toolbar in this version of Evernote. On initial launch the main Evernote window won't display, and it takes a bit of fiddling and clicking to get it to show up. Once it does show up, the toolbar is totally blank. This is logged in the console:

 

7/7/14 4:55:02.653 PM Evernote[5057]: Unable to load the Interface Builder file NSColorPickerCrayon.nib because the object archive is missing. Valid nib files must contain either keyedobjects.nib, objects.nib, or data.nib. Full path: /System/Library/ColorPickers/NSColorPickerCrayon.colorPicker/Resources/English.lproj/NSColorPickerCrayon.nib

 
7/7/14 4:55:02.653 PM Evernote[5057]: ERROR: -[NSColorPickerCrayon provideNewView:] failed to load bundle /System/Library/ColorPickers/NSColorPickerCrayon.colorPicker/Resources/English.lproj/NSColorPickerCrayon.nib
 
I'm fully aware of the hazards of running on an unsupported OS, so I'll live with this. Just wanted to make sure you were aware.
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@RobLewis It actually beggars belief how EN can allow this to happen.  In my opinion - a software company that clears a bug and then re-introduces it (beta or not) is a company who hasn't a handle on its code development.  I know little and could be classed as nothing about Software Dev but I do understand how agile it can be and also how you can have code check software to prevent this...?  It just makes me laugh for all the wrong reasons... It also goes back to one of my earlier comments, who tests for EN?  Us, the customer?

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Did the margin between lists and paragraphs change? They seem closer together and now my notes look cramped.

 

I actually like this behavior. Now I can write a more compact bullet list with a nice heading sitting just on top of the list and not separated by such a huge margin (unless I want that and insert a line). Please EN keep it this way.

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A HUGE feature enhancement is the ability to change the table sizes in this Beta release... However a HUGE failure is when you enter into Presentation Mode...

 

An inevitable result of people requesting more and more control over layout and formatting, unfortunately. Every step in that direction limits the possibility to automatically adapt to different viewport sizes or alternative note layouts such as the "Presentation Mode".

 

I'm sure this is going to be a great release for some group of users judging by the amount of requests made for these feature. Not the direction I would've wanted though...

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@RobLewis It actually beggars belief how EN can allow this to happen.  In my opinion - a software company that clears a bug and then re-introduces it (beta or not) is a company who hasn't a handle on its code development.  I know little and could be classed as nothing about Software Dev but I do understand how agile it can be and also how you can have code check software to prevent this...?  It just makes me laugh for all the wrong reasons... It also goes back to one of my earlier comments, who tests for EN?  Us, the customer?

Yeah, I've scratched my head over how and why this could happen. The only thing I can come up with is that some developer at EN is seeking some kind of bogus "symmetry" with the Windows version, which perhaps uses Ctrl-Shift-V. Other than that, I guess it can only be (as you note) inept source code version control. 

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Hey Dan, great reply and observation.  

 

All my testing is when I pop the note in a new window from Expanded Card View, Double Click the Note, opens new window.  Tried again this morning and I can reproduce the issue without fail.

 

I tried your way mentioned above, no issue for me it works as expected.

 

Expanded Card View works best for me and pre beta it worked as I would expect.

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This is difficult to explain....

 

In Snippet view, images that were previously added to notes and that are being used as the thumbnail are large and so the note title is not displayed. If you make the image slightly smaller then it 'fixes' the issue. You can make the image bigger again without the view being messed up.

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For some reason I cannot access my tags at all. If I click on "tags" I get the pinwheel and I have to force a close. If I try command option 3, the same thing happens. I simply have no access to tag browsing.

 

I also can't access my tags page. I get the wheel of death and have to force quit EN. Also in my sidebar I can't see any nested tags, only the first level is visible. This is (hopefully) a soon resolved bug. I don't hope that you force us to live with a flat tags list like on IOS. 

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"Our new note editor (present for the first time in this beta) has a total ticket count of over 300 already!"

 

These are not magical numbers to be proud off, be it the bugs, issues, new bugs - these are numbers that show a problem with testing in my opinion...? 

 

One number to be proud of is the fact 100 million + people are using Evernote, but the scary part of this is that potentially 100 million + users are still facing a product that is not as stable as the CEO promised.

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Will the Spotlight functionality be fixed? I recently changed from Win to Mac on my home machine, and one great advantage is the global desktop search, which Win lost after EN 2.X/3.X (?).

 

I had to go the hard way to exchange the app store version by the download version to achieve spotlight search, and I want to make sure I will not have to do that again.

 

Thx for some information, EvB.

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Here are a few I have captured so far.  Might be overlap on a couple I have seen here, but better to know more are having the problem maybe than isolated cases.

 

  • Highlighting a table to copy/paste messes up formatting.  I formatted the left column to be grey, the right column white.  when I select the table to duplicate it, the highlight of the table going blue carries over the formatting.  All pasted tables are blue. 
  • You can’t highlight a column to color all cells at once.  I want to format a column at once, or a row at once.
  • FEATURE REQUEST:  Merge cells
  • Selecting color in one cell, then going to next cell, right click and properties then has inconsistent color behavior for picking colors.  Just seems quirky
  • Copy/Paste of tables goes nuts when in presentation mode for display (looks OK when in normal view. I have seen others post, but here is my screenshot)
  • In previous versions I used to hit CTRL-D, RETURN, CTRL-H.  This would give me a date with a carriage return, and an HR under it.  Now it appears the HR adds a normal line above it every time it’s inserted?  Is this expected?  I can see the benefit of HR knowing it needs to be on it's own line, but maybe only do that if the cursor isn't already on the start of a new line?  
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In Snippet view, images that were previously added to notes and that are being used as the thumbnail are large and so the note title is not displayed. If you make the image slightly smaller then it 'fixes' the issue. You can make the image bigger again without the view being messed up.

 

I'm not sure I understand the problem. Maybe a screenshot would help?

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Regarding stability, it has nothing to do with the state of your account (sadly crashes affect free/premium/business :)). What I can say is that our crash reporting system has gotten MUCH better and we will be fixing the most frequent crashes with super-human speed!

 

The issue seems to reliably happen me when I switch from Business to Premium.  I work daily say 80% in Business and 20% in Premium, to date (touch wood) no crashes in Business.

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Is anybody else seeing strange behaviour with the search within EN, again at the risk of repeating something already said - apologies!

 

I put in a search, say "email" and don't hit enter, just email and it pops up a note with a tag of email with the rest in behind.  Why does it open this note??

 

Was the old way where you had to hit enter after the search entry?

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In Snippet view, images that were previously added to notes and that are being used as the thumbnail are large and so the note title is not displayed. If you make the image slightly smaller then it 'fixes' the issue. You can make the image bigger again without the view being messed up.

 

I'm not sure I understand the problem. Maybe a screenshot would help?

I'll PM you something.

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In relation to Tags, am I missing something or am I confused..?

 

With beta and EN Business, I create a Business Notebook and then a Note, when I try to create a tag I get https://www.evernote.com/shard/s347/sh/716c978a-f1d5-46bd-add7-59ca6f08bf17/39bb3d83ba888a2e4299f92c26fe82fd however if I create a Personal Notebook and then tag a Note it is fine.

 

I am admin on the account.

 

Cannot recall if this was an issue prior to Beta update?

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Maybe this has been reported; I didn't check all the way through this thread ...

Whenever I try to switch to Tags View, Evernote becomes unresponsive. I then have to force quit it to get it going again.

Thanks.

Others have reported a problem with the Tag View. Tags weren't showing up for them. But I don't think it crashed Evernote.

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Yeah I thought that was the case after a bit of fiddling.  I am using new Pages and OSX, added a Pages doc to Evernote which showed inline.  But then realised I hadn't upgraded that document yet.  

 

Quickview still works, so that is ok for OSX.  And the iOS Evernote app also quick views the new documents so at least that functionality works across Apple's platforms. 

 

Well, quick view should not work on OS X, since a Pages 5.2 document is attached as a .zip-file. 

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Bug Report:

In the new Beta, when I click on a Note Stack, it only shows notes that have been edited since I installed the new beta.  It does not show all the notes in the stack.

 

**Update:  It also will not search the whole stack - only notes updated since installing beta**

 

The individual notes in the notebooks in the stack appear to display just fine.  

 

PM me if more information is needed.  

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I can't figure out how to reproduce it, but when editing a note and using a keyboard shortcut the selected text will have the "Highlight" formatting applied to it. I've seen it twice now: once when copying text and another when applying the bold style.

 

Is it possible that you were holding down the command key while you selected the text?

In the Beta, command-drag applies highlighting in the same way it does in iBooks.

 

 

Something new for today!  I never knew!

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If you are in all notes / notebooks and you want to create a new note, is it typical behaviour where it opens the Note over the last accessed Notebook...?  Why would it not just pop a window in the same view (all Notes / Notebooks) and then in the top left allow you to choose where to place the Notebook?  Or to leave it in your Personal Default Notebook?

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@Rob and @Phil, the paste shortcut will be fixed in our next public beta release. 

 

Who tests for EN?  Us, the customer?

 

We have a full QA staff, tons of internal testing, private beta testers, and now an opt-in public beta. In this case, you have opted in :) Thanks for catching that!

This release represents a complete rewrite of our note editor. I'm actually glad the keyboard shortcut for paste is the issue causing the most ire :)

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Hi,

 

Do we post issues we're experiencing here, or should we open a problem ticket, or send an email message to the development team (whatever that address would be)?

 

I've discovered a scrolling issue within a section of text that is encrypted within a note.  As you begin to scroll, the cursor jumps out of the encrypted section and closes it down to the rectangle with dots and downward pointing triangle.

 

Also, a design request, please use the 5.5 version of the To-Do check boxes.  I like how they stand out vs the new look in the 5.6 version.  OR, give me the preference to choose which look to use.

 

Thanks,

 

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I noticed that there was a new Beta. Waited a couple weeks, but it still does not appear in "Check for Updates." 

 

So I downloaded it from the link. 

 

Open. Crash.

 

Opened again. Crash.

 

Delete the thing I downloaded, leave everything else in place - older version + all files associated therewith.

 

Now Evernote is re-downloading all my notes. 

 

Why isn't it using the database already on my Mac? Where are all my shortcuts?

 

Remind me not to do this again. I love betas, but next time I'll wait until I can just click "Check for Updates."

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In relation to Tags, am I missing something or am I confused..?

 

With beta and EN Business, I create a Business Notebook and then a Note, when I try to create a tag I get https://www.evernote.com/shard/s347/sh/716c978a-f1d5-46bd-add7-59ca6f08bf17/39bb3d83ba888a2e4299f92c26fe82fd however if I create a Personal Notebook and then tag a Note it is fine.

 

I am admin on the account.

 

Cannot recall if this was an issue prior to Beta update?

 

If I recall correctly those tags were just added to the business notebook tags. So I guess this is also a bug.

 

What works (for now) is to create the note in a local notebook, tag it, sync it, and then move it to the business notebook. Then the tags are created as business tags.

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Thanks.  Ideally I wanted to also test with the note in its own window.  I have now done that.  I did reproduce the bug.  However, that is not all …
 
In testing this bug I discovered:
  1. Not all images in a note are available in the "Annotate this note” menu.
    Annotate%20this%20note%20menu.png?resizeThe only way to annotate other images is to right click it and select annotate from the contextual menu.
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  2. If I annotate an image from the “Annotate this note” menu then I get the bug.  If I annotate an image from the contextual menu I do not get the bug.
  3. If I annotate an image and get the bug I can then annotate the image again and the bug disappears – I added some text and then removed it, i.e. I can edit text without closing the note.  This worked only on the first image in that menu (the picture of Paul Dirac) but not with the second image (Wolfgang Pauli).
  4. With the second image (Pauli) I selected it for annotation, added some text.  I then could not edit text in the note.  I then removed the annotation but still could not edit text.  I then rotated the image from the contextual menu, I could then edit text.
    In another scenario I annotated from contextual menu – no problems.  Then I rotated the image from the contextual menu and the bug appeared – could not edit text.  Rotated it back – still could not edit.  Rotated it again and now I can edit text (still can even if I rotate it back).
    This is a very strange bug!
  5. Every time I annotate one of these two notes I get a tonne of white space added into my note – it gets added onto existing white space.

 

I hope you could follow all that meandering!

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Dan,

 

Point 1, agreed.  I have seen this too.

 

Point 2, interesting!

 

Point 3, even more interesting...!

 

Point 4, strange behaviour...

 

I noticed the white space when I email in a note with images etc.. I was looking for the content in the note and had to scroll over to the right where it was almost off screen hidden.. For some reason it inserted a Column x 2 and first was the large white space and the second had the body of the email in there... Strange.

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Complete rewrites can be notably fraught; see, e.g. http://vibratingmelon.com/2011/06/10/why-you-should-almost-never-rewrite-code-a-graphical-guide/, which references Joel Spolsky's classic entry on the topic (http://www.joelonsoftware.com/articles/fog0000000069.html) . If a shortcut key is the biggest problem, then that speaks well to this rewrite...

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LOVE the Mac Pages integration -- now you can view Pages with the Evernote view or expand an iWork Pages document to view inline.   Seems that the zip file issue with the new iWork Pages format has been licked.   Not there yet with Keynote or Numbers but I suspect you guys are hard at work with that.

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Also, a design request, please use the 5.5 version of the To-Do check boxes.  I like how they stand out vs the new look in the 5.6 version.  OR, give me the preference to choose which look to use.

 

I gotta disagree here; the new checkboxes are much better looking. Making preferences to swap every element of the UI is probably a bad path to go down. In fact, it's definitely a bad path to go down.

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"Our new note editor (present for the first time in this beta) has a total ticket count of over 300 already!"

 

These are not magical numbers to be proud off, be it the bugs, issues, new bugs - these are numbers that show a problem with testing in my opinion...? 

 

One number to be proud of is the fact 100 million + people are using Evernote, but the scary part of this is that potentially 100 million + users are still facing a product that is not as stable as the CEO promised.

 

Without context, this is fairly meaningless as to what a "ticket" is. It could be a tweak, or a feature request, or a bug (which may be a crasher or not). How do you know how many of them actually affect stability? Also note that on large projects, bug counts can be in the thousands, and they can ship.

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If you wonder where are the 100GB gone on your drive after upgrading to EN Beta, check the folder:

 

/Users/~/Library/Application Support/com.evernote.Evernote/OLD

 

The old folder will contain the copy of the old database before it was migrated to new database.

 

If your EN runs fine and is in sync, it's probably safe to delete this. In my case it was 35GB which is the size of one of my EN databases (it's huge).

 

Just cleaned up 11GB of stuff. Thanks!

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I may write a blog post about the importance of this release related to the new note editor, sync engine and overall stability improvements. If not, I'll surely post in the forum about it. To give an idea of scale, this was a larger engineering effort than the V5 redesign (by far).

 

For now, please keep the bug reports coming. This is incredibly helpful. Thank you all!

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I think the shortcut key as being most notable is incorrect. The thread highlights many issues since beta release. Formatting for one inside of tables. How it's viewed in presentation mode. When you exit an annotation on Mac you loose cursor placement and have to come out to go back in. Tagging having an issue. It goes on. Where is the EN that we were told would be delivered by The CEO at the start of the year. Again.. I love EN but sometimes I just wonder..

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I am experiencing a strange behavior when I add tags within the desktop editor or in the (chrome) web clipper. When  I begin typing a tag in the tag field and hesitate mid-tag,  the process stops and a truncated tag name results instead of allowing me to finish or offering autocomplete alternatives.    This is very frustrating because these tag-fragments have to be deleted in the tag screen. 

 

The tag screen is also behaving strangely.  When I select multiple tags to move then into another tag, they stay highlighted where they are on the screen for several seconds as they one-by-one are moved where designated. This process is very slow and awkward to watch. 

 

Jay

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Quickview still works, so that is ok for OSX.  And the iOS Evernote app also quick views the new documents so at least that functionality works across Apple's platforms. 

 

Well, quick view should not work on OS X, since a Pages 5.2 document is attached as a .zip-file. 

 

 

Correct.  I'm not sure why I thought it did work.  I just get a view of the zip icon!

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I may write a blog post about the importance of this release related to the new note editor, sync engine and overall stability improvements. If not, I'll surely post in the forum about it. To give an idea of scale, this was a larger engineering effort than the V5 redesign (by far).

Please do. I think it'd be an interesting read.
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A HUGE feature enhancement is the ability to change the table sizes in this Beta release... However a HUGE failure is when you enter into Presentation Mode... 

"HUGE" is a little hyperbolic, don't you think? We're working on it :)

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How about if you cut and paste bullets and move them around, any issues?  This is where I've noticed a lot of issues with the current editor.  Things like extra bullets or missing ones.

I did some simple testing, and cutting and pasting bullets around seems to work well. Copy paste works fine and will replicate as such, but if I say copy a list of bullets and paste onto a bullet, I may get an extra row of indents simply because i'm pasting at a different level than before.

 

In 2 days of use I haven't noticed anything untoward. If the editor is truly all new (truthfully, it does feel different to me; it feels more responsive), it may have an entirely different set of foibles and issues than the old one did (which did feel "heavy" to me).

 

Honestly, I think the best thing to do is to install the beta and try it :-)

 

 

Yep, it's a totally new codebase, though we tried hard to make it match the old editor's look and feel as much as possible. The really great thing about the new editor is that the codebase is tremendously more maintainable than our old one. So although there are some bugs in the current beta, I feel very confident that we'll be able to keep improving and stabilizing things until they're perfect.

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If you wonder where are the 100GB gone on your drive after upgrading to EN Beta, check the folder:

 

/Users/~/Library/Application Support/com.evernote.Evernote/OLD

 

The old folder will contain the copy of the old database before it was migrated to new database.

 

If your EN runs fine and is in sync, it's probably safe to delete this. In my case it was 35GB which is the size of one of my EN databases (it's huge).

 

I'm a little confused here. My Data folder is there inside the Old folder but does not exist separately in the parent folder of com.evernote.Evernote. I'm therefore very hesitant to delete the Old folder.

 

Please could you clarify. Has the Data folder now been merged into, or renamed as, some other folder in the new beta?

 

Apparently evernote creates this temporary folder to store the data while moving database. This is not my default Evernote Database folder location. Thanks.

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There are some UI issues with the new checkboxes, specifically around deleting with 5.6.0 beta 1 (450470)

 

1) If you're on a line above a line with a checkbox, forward delete doesn't work (i.e. you cannot clear up white space)

2) If you're on a line WITH a checkbox and positioned to the left of it, you cannot forward delete and remove the checkbox. You must select to the *right* of the checkbox and use left delete.

 

Forward delete does work for other characters and when checkboxes aren't around, so the checkboxes specifically seem to be breaking this.

 

Hi,

 

Thanks for the report. However, I'm having some trouble reproducing your issue. Would you mind PMing me a share link to the note you're having trouble with? Some precise reproduction steps would go a long way also.

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When editing tags for a new note, the immediate sync removes focus in the middle of typing.

 

This is incredibly frustrating. When I add a note, I immediately edit the tags of the note. As I'm typing the 2nd or 3rd letter of the tag, Evernote removes focus from the tag (during sync, I believe), and disrupts my typing.

 

It seems if I pop out the note from the Evernote, it allows me to edit the tag without disruption.

 

-Martin

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Also, a design request, please use the 5.5 version of the To-Do check boxes. I like how they stand out vs the new look in the 5.6 version. OR, give me the preference to choose which look to use.

I gotta disagree here; the new checkboxes are much better looking. Making preferences to swap every element of the UI is probably a bad path to go down. In fact, it's definitely a bad path to go down.

"Like"ing that quote wasn't enough of a statement, I have to also state it here: the new checkboxes are far better and attempting to add options for their appearance is a bad idea, bound to cause problems.
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I am experiencing a strange behavior when I add tags within the desktop editor or in the (chrome) web clipper. When  I begin typing a tag in the tag field and hesitate mid-tag,  the process stops and a truncated tag name results instead of allowing me to finish or offering autocomplete alternatives.    This is very frustrating because these tag-fragments have to be deleted in the tag screen. 

 

The tag screen is also behaving strangely.  When I select multiple tags to move then into another tag, they stay highlighted where they are on the screen for several seconds as they one-by-one are moved where designated. This process is very slow and awkward to watch. 

 

Jay

You should verify that this behavior exists in the newest beta, if you haven't already.
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Yep, it's a totally new codebase, though we tried hard to make it match the old editor's look and feel as much as possible. The really great thing about the new editor is that the codebase is tremendously more maintainable than our old one. So although there are some bugs in the current beta, I feel very confident that we'll be able to keep improving and stabilizing things until they're perfect.

 

 

Thanks for all of your comments Andrei.  It is really good to see the perspective of the coders.

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A HUGE feature enhancement is the ability to change the table sizes in this Beta release... However a HUGE failure is when you enter into Presentation Mode... It looks terrible and I understand this has caused issues and indeed criticisms of the Presentation Mode in the past.

 

What one hand gives, the other he take it... or something like that...

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I am experiencing a strange behavior when I add tags within the desktop editor or in the (chrome) web clipper. When  I begin typing a tag in the tag field and hesitate mid-tag,  the process stops and a truncated tag name results instead of allowing me to finish or offering autocomplete alternatives.    This is very frustrating because these tag-fragments have to be deleted in the tag screen. 

 

The tag screen is also behaving strangely.  When I select multiple tags to move then into another tag, they stay highlighted where they are on the screen for several seconds as they one-by-one are moved where designated. This process is very slow and awkward to watch. 

 

Jay

You should verify that this behavior exists in the newest beta, if you haven't already.

 

Jack's pulled 5.6.2 while they look at a Tag bug so this is the latest and greatest (for a little bit anyway).

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In relation to the new Beta on this thread, what was welcomed with open arms based on the description was the auto sync, however it plays havoc if you are adding tags at the time in which it chooses to run that sync, which is supposedly in the background...? Anyone else?  If this has been addressed already, apologies, lots of threads in here with issue.

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I am experiencing a strange behavior when I add tags within the desktop editor or in the (chrome) web clipper. When  I begin typing a tag in the tag field and hesitate mid-tag,  the process stops and a truncated tag name results instead of allowing me to finish or offering autocomplete alternatives.    This is very frustrating because these tag-fragments have to be deleted in the tag screen. 

 

The tag screen is also behaving strangely.  When I select multiple tags to move then into another tag, they stay highlighted where they are on the screen for several seconds as they one-by-one are moved where designated. This process is very slow and awkward to watch. 

 

Jay

You should verify that this behavior exists in the newest beta, if you haven't already.

 

Jack's pulled 5.6.2 while they look at a Tag bug so this is the latest and greatest (for a little bit anyway).

 

I am still using 5.6.0. Where can I get the latest update?

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At the chance of repeating myself there is also an issue when you either annotate an image in a note with Skitch or even rotate the image, when the action (annotate or rotate) is complete you loose the ability to make any further changes, add text, delete text and so on.

 

You have to come out of the Note and go back in... Anyone??

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LOVE the Mac Pages integration -- now you can view Pages with the Evernote view or expand an iWork Pages document to view inline.   Seems that the zip file issue with the new iWork Pages format has been licked.   Not there yet with Keynote or Numbers but I suspect you guys are hard at work with that.

 

I am willing to guess you're using an older version of Pages (pre 5.0) - or  an old file format (you can still export to Pages '09). Still not possible to achieve this with the new Pages format.

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There are some UI issues with the new checkboxes, specifically around deleting with 5.6.0 beta 1 (450470)

 

1) If you're on a line above a line with a checkbox, forward delete doesn't work (i.e. you cannot clear up white space)

2) If you're on a line WITH a checkbox and positioned to the left of it, you cannot forward delete and remove the checkbox. You must select to the *right* of the checkbox and use left delete.

 

Forward delete does work for other characters and when checkboxes aren't around, so the checkboxes specifically seem to be breaking this.

 

Hi,

 

Thanks for the report. However, I'm having some trouble reproducing your issue. Would you mind PMing me a share link to the note you're having trouble with? Some precise reproduction steps would go a long way also.

 

Hmm. You know, I just created a new note and I can forward delete just fine, removing white space lines, and removing checkboxes. So it seems to work OK now. I've restarted my machine since I was having the problem, so perhaps the problem occurs after Evernote has been running a few hours, or perhaps something else like a moon phase ;-)

 

Let me see if I can get it into this state again, and if so I will PM you a link to a note that causes problems.

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I've used the beta for a couple of days now, and one of the things I really like is that I no longer find myself having to force a synchronisation to copy a notelink, which is something I do a lot. That is really nice. I've never had so many synchronisation conflicts before, though ...

 

Something I on the other hand do not like is how the first note in a group of merged note now also gets the the large black on blueish-grey background title like all the other notes it is merged with. It is redundant (and ugly, but that goes for the all of them).

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I noticed the beta does not let me hide the Elephant menu extra anymore. The previous version made its continued background operation independent of the menu bar icon, the preferences in the new beta do not: it’s either let it visibly run, or not let it run at all. Note the first run setup still supports running it hidden, but as soon as you touch preferences in Evernote proper, you are stuck with the new, rather annoying behavior.

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I too am FOR the narrower spacing on lists.  Before they looked so awkward, especially if I wanted to add a heading to a list (as Palladion mentioned above).

 

Ideally we would all like to be able to specify our own line/paragraph spacing, but then we'd be getting into serious Word Processor territory, which may not be the best course of action.  But I don't know, it all depends on how it is coded and works across so many platforms I guess.

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Also note that on large projects, bug counts can be in the thousands, and they can ship.

 

 

Frankly, I have a very, very hard time believing this.  I would be interested to learn what your basis is for making such a statement -- perhaps we could discuss in the Lounge.

 

I'm using the standard definition of a software bug:  Software executable does not conform to design requirement.

IMO, any company that releases software for general availability that has thousands of bugs is incompetent.

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Also note that on large projects, bug counts can be in the thousands, and they can ship.

 

 

Frankly, I have a very, very hard time believing this.  I would be interested to learn what your basis is for making such a statement -- perhaps we could discuss in the Lounge.

 

I'm using the standard definition of a software bug:  Software executable does not conform to design requirement.

IMO, any company that releases software for general availability that has thousands of bugs is incompetent.

 

It's a matter of complexity, and it's a matter of priorities and time.

 

Nearly every reasonably large development project I've seen has varying "tiers" of bug severity (say, 1 through 5). A priority 1 bug is typically a showstopper which does what it says: Block shipment of the project. Usually, other bugs (say 2 through 5) have varying degrees of severity, and won't necessarily block shipment. These may be things that cause unexpected behavior, look a little wonky, perhaps autocorrect doesn't work when you have the letter ß in a word, or something else that's complicated to solve and rare to hit. On a project with millions or tens of millions of code, these things will exist, and the numbers could be in the thousands if everything is tracked.

 

Jack didn't say the severity and whether the 500 are "fixed" or still outstanding. With sufficiently small defined features, I can easily see 500 tickets (bugs or features) addressed in a release.

 

I've seen projects that have literally 80,000 "bugs" addressed on a 1-year timeline. When there are this many things in the air, having thousands open when you ship simply happens: It's a matter of making a decision about what needs to be done before you ship, and what can be done later.

 

Any more and I'll have to take this to the lounge, indeed ;-)

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Where can I find and download the latest version of this beta? I'm still using the first one.

 

Thanks!

Beta 1 is the most current release, the version and build should be:

5.6.0 Public Beta 1 (450470 Direct)

 

You can check your version by selecting Evernote>About Evernote

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Windows version have top bar customization (so did Mac client previous to V5 I'm quite sure), do we plan to have that back? I miss it. Even though cmd+shift+a does the job, sometimes you just want that nice little button there to help....

also on image note resizing, would be nice to have some information on pixel size, I know it might sound a bit nerdy, but feels quite weird resizing a virtual thing w/o any tangible reference to size.

another thing with images, if I drag and drop a link-embeded image from browser to evernote, that dropped image will "inherit" the link, however besides having no visual clue you can't edit nor remove the "link" feature.

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Where can I find and download the latest version of this beta? I'm still using the first one.

 

Thanks!

Beta 1 is the most current release, the version and build should be:

5.6.0 Public Beta 1 (450470 Direct)

 

You can check your version by selecting Evernote>About Evernote

 

 

Yep, that's it. Thanks for letting me know.

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Would also love the option for a bare-bones note — no toolbars, no rich text. For quick note taking (think "writing down a phone message when you don't have pen and paper") to then go back later and embellish it with colors or bold text or what have you.

 

 

We already have this feature, at least in the latest GA release 5.5.1.  Just click on the Elephant icon in the main Apple menu (or use the shortcut setup in prefs) for "Quick Note".

 

Don't know if it's still in the Beta or not.

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