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Evernote for Mac 6.2 Beta 1 Released


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I’m really excited to announce the release of Evernote for Mac 6.2 Beta 1 which will address some long standing features that many of you have been requesting  The release of Apple’s El Capitan and it’s new split view feature gave us the opportunity to look at how Evernote works in a narrow window environment.  This has led us to redesign a few things.

  • First off Evernote now remembers the current width of the sidebar and the note list so that these elements will shrink with the window but they will also grow back to their original widths when you make the window wide again.
  • Second the sidebar will shrink into a single row of icons so that we take up a minimal amount of space but still provide a mechanism to navigate within Evernote. This is currently designed as a temporary state and does not include shortcuts or other sub elements.  However, let us know if you would like to run it as your main sidebar and tell us the features you would need.
  • Finally we’ve completely redesigned our note editor toolbars.  They are responsive which means as you shrink the note editor the toolbar also shrinks and instead of having formatting buttons disappear they will be added to a pop-down toolbar that can still be accessed when there’s not a lot of room.    Also new is that if you have a large monitor all of the toolbars will become a single row of icons giving your writing space a bigger area.
 

All of the above changes are available to every customer and not just those that are running El Capitan.

 

We’ve also made a number of other changes.

  • We’ve added back the All Notes button so it’s faster to get back to all your notes. 
  • We are continuing to refine work chat and how it integrates into the Evernote experience.  In 6.2 we’ve moved it to the bottom of the sidebar so it is no longer the top most item.  This helps separate it from all of your note functionality and aligns the design closer to our web client.  We are also showing recent chats in the sidebar so it’s quick and easy to reply to people when you receive a message. (NOTE: This is available for Yosemite and newer OSs)
  • Finally, many people have asked for ways to speed formatting via the keyboard and we've added this in 6.2 by allowing you to use markdown-inspired shortcuts.  We’ve posted a blog post about our new common editor and this is one of the first major new features from this team. Expect more in the coming months.  This basically means that you can type characters into your note that will automatically apply formatting or a style to the text.  Here’s the list of formatting options supported.
     


    • Inline Formatting

      *Text* = Italics

      **Text** = Bold

      ~~Text~~ = Strikethrough

      !!Text!! = Highlight

      `Text`= Code Block  

       



    • Lists and Tables

      Typing “1. “ will start a numbered list

      Typing “* “ will start a bulleted list

      Typing [] or [ ] will create an unchecked checkbox

      Typing [x] will create a checked checkbox

      Typing a line of at least three * or - will add a horizontal rule

      Typing a [][][] on it’s own line will add a table with 3 columns 

      Typing [][][][]x2 on it’s own line will add a table with 4 columns and 2 rows



 

We have also fixed an encryption issue so if you’ve bumped into this problem please try this beta.

 

Because this is a big release and we wanted to get this out to people to start playing with it as soon as possible we are releasing with some known issues.  Here’s a list of things that we know are broken but are actively working on fixes.

1) Many of the biggest issues in the beta are around the new note toolbar.  For example we’re still working through some important tag issues such as  CMD+’ doesn’t work and copying and pasting into the Tag edit field is broken.  Tooltips aren’t appearing and sometimes there are layout issues.

 

2) Of course some things have been moved around.  Probably the biggest change is that the note and tag areas are hidden when you are editing a note.  We felt these were less important when you were editing but you can still get to them quickly by clicking on their icons that remain in the formatting toolbar.

 

3) If you click in the Share dialog, add some names, click in the message field and then back to the recipient field you won’t get the suggestion menu anymore.  For now, please remember to enter everyone you want to share a note or notebook with in the recipient field before adding a message.

 

4) There appears to be an El Capitan bug where Rotate Clockwise or Counterclockwise doesn’t appear to work.

 

Thanks again for taking a sneak peek at our upcoming release and helping us find issues before we ship 6.2 to all Evernote for Mac customers.  We really want to hear what you think about the new features -- better window resizing, new toolbar, markdown and work chat improvements.  You can download the beta from here.  I should also mention that this release only works on OS 10.9 and above.  6.1.1 was our last release for 107 and 10.8 users.

 

NOTE: If you're not seeing the new formatting toolbar you may have to turn it on via Preferences : Software Update and check Enable new note editor toolbar.   Of course if you want to go back to the old toolbar you can also use this checkbox to turn it off.

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Marcus, thank you for restoring the All Notes button to the note list dropdown menu. 

 

I would suggest another modification to assist us. When a tag is selected in the sidebar, rather than just highlighting the anonymous Tag icon atop the note list, wouldn't it be useful to add the name of the tag next to the Tag icon? At least this would be a slight improvement to the fact that tags themselves are not highlighted when selected – which, as you know, many of us have requested.

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is it planned to offer an editor mode to enter a complete text in markdown and than switch to a preview mode?

The online translation from a MD command to view in Evernote is very slow

If I copy MD text into a new note the MD commands are not executed

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I'm in pretty much complete agreement with everything that "aharpole" just stated. Although I'm not a big fan of "modal" documents, I'm not sure it isn't best to have different note types in this case.

I acknowledge that having different "composition" and "presentstion" modes poses design and usability challenges, but it's worth considering, because it could open up tremendous flexibility in Evernote's future.

(BTW, this forum system has a superb mobile/iPhone interface!)

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Also with this beta release, the formatting is not working properly: there's no blank line between a text and lists.

On Evernote for Mac it looks like this:

Header or text

* list entry

* list entry

Header or text

* list entry

* list entry

Alas on Evernote for BlackBerry and iPad it looks like this:

Header or text

* list entry

* list entry

Header or text

* list entry

* list entry

Hope that this issue gets fixed in the next release. Thanks!

This is not a bug but the way that Mac editor has worked since last year.  There was a decision to remove spaces before and after bullets.  The problem with the old model is that people who didn't like the space had no way to remove it.  Removing the extra space provides the best solution for all customers because those that like it can add it manually.  When the new editor gets rolled out to all major platforms this is the way it's going to work everywhere.

 

Well, let me say that I don't like how it's done on the Mac. This should be an option, because I fear all the apps won't be updated to the feature in the same time... 

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FWIW - doing a dual-mode interface would be "attractive" to me personal - but I do realize that I'm not the typical Evernote user so ...

 

Currently I'm keeping my personal notes as markdown files and handle syncing/backup using dropbox/git but it would be nice to be able to keep the notes in Evernote.

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Generally I like the way things are headed. The new toolbar looks good, responds well, etc. I think the tags look MUCH better rounded--I thought the old squares were an eyesore. Though it does take some getting used to that the tags disappear while editing.

 

I can't seem to hide "Upgrade Your Team" from the sidebar in Evernote Premium.

 

I also can't show the list of notebooks in the sidebar. I can show tags, not notebooks. Used to be able to. This is fullscreen in El Capitan GM. I can toggle the selection in the menu, it just doesn't do anything.

 

There are some rendering problems with the toolbar in the notes list view--see attached screen shot. 

 

Speaking of that toolbar, I understand some people requested it, but the return of the "All Notes" button is redundant when one can simply click on Notes in the sidebar, I think. And I'm concerned about having too many toolbars. Why not move that entire button group into the main app's toolbar? There's plenty of room up there. I think eliminating that toolbar would make the app look better overall.

 

I think the "Shortcuts" section of the sidebar should go below the main default group. Or at least let me move it there. Or better yet, why not add Shortcuts to the Notes|Notebooks|Tags as a main item? Then I could toggle the display of a list of shortcuts, that ruler could go away, and clicking on Shortcuts could show me a custom selection of "favorites" in a sense. And you could give the same treatment to Recent Notes. This way presentation and behavior of the sidebar items would be consistent and more intuitive.

 

 

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I downloaded it (updated it from v6.1.1 beta) but I noticed that when I open the app it doesn't immediately show up. I have to click twice on the icon before the window appears. (Yosemite 10.10.5)

 

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Also, the settings for the menu clipper seem to be broken. It keeps running even if it's set to quit when I close Evernote.

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Also with this beta release, the formatting is not working properly: there's no blank line between a text and lists.

On Evernote for Mac it looks like this:

Header or text

* list entry

* list entry

Header or text

* list entry

* list entry

Alas on Evernote for BlackBerry and iPad it looks like this:

Header or text

* list entry

* list entry

Header or text

* list entry

* list entry

Hope that this issue gets fixed in the next release. Thanks!

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As far as I understand the current situation regarding the common code base for the new Evernote editor, only the Mac version 6.x and the latest Windows beta client are currently using it. The Mac platform for some time acts as beta platform (and not only Mac beta versions) for the new editor. On the mobile platforms and the Web client it will be introduced later. Thus, it is no surprise that there is still a formatting difference between platforms.

 

Am I right Marcus?

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Also with this beta release, the formatting is not working properly: there's no blank line between a text and lists.

On Evernote for Mac it looks like this:

Header or text

* list entry

* list entry

Header or text

* list entry

* list entry

Alas on Evernote for BlackBerry and iPad it looks like this:

Header or text

* list entry

* list entry

Header or text

* list entry

* list entry

Hope that this issue gets fixed in the next release. Thanks!

This is not a bug but the way that Mac editor has worked since last year.  There was a decision to remove spaces before and after bullets.  The problem with the old model is that people who didn't like the space had no way to remove it.  Removing the extra space provides the best solution for all customers because those that like it can add it manually.  When the new editor gets rolled out to all major platforms this is the way it's going to work everywhere.

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Great work. I love the shrinking sidebar, the new editor, and of course the markdown functionality. 

 

A question: is it possible to also show the shortcut when the sidebar is shrunk? Thanks.  

 

Thanks for letting us know you like the shrinking sidebar and new editor.  Currently we do not support shortcuts in the mini-sidebar.  This is what I meant when I said it's really meant as a temporary sidebar for when the window is narrow.  Would you use it more if it had shortcuts?

 

 

I would definitely use it more if it had an icon for Shortcuts. Additionally, I'd love to see that icon – as well as the Notebooks and Tags icons – have a fly-out menu that would give easy access to shortcuts, notebooks, and tags (respectively) when clicked. Something kind of like when you put a folder into the Dock on the Mac Desktop. I would find that quicker and more intuitive than the unnecessarily large outline style currently used for Notebooks and Tags.

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I tried pasting what should have been plain text into a new note. I tried both the right-click menu, ⌘V, and Edit | Paste.  None worked, as in nothing happened. I was able to paste into TextMate fine. 

 

I tried Edit | Paste and Match text, and it worked. It also pastes fine into the Evernote Helper menu bar item. 

 

OS X 10.10.5

 

It's reproducible at least with this text slug. 

 

 

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Marcus - is this a whole new editor in this release or some under-lying functionality that you've just switched on that allows markdown?

 

The new editor has been on the Mac since last year but the common editor team has been working on getting it ready to be deployed to all of Evernote's major platforms most specifically on Windows.   As some of that work winds down they can now turn their focus to adding features to the editor and the new basic markdown functionality is the first fruits of that work.

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I'm not sure I care whether Evernote uses real Markdown, a pseudo-Markdown, or no Markdown at all. Though I do like some of the shortcuts – particularly "* " to start a bulleted list. What I would really like to see is text styles like Header 1, Header 2, Paragraph, etc.

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I downloaded it (updated it from v6.1.1 beta) but I noticed that when I open the app it doesn't immediately show up. I have to click twice on the icon before the window appears. (Yosemite 10.10.5)

 

Edit: here's a gif

 

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Also, the settings for the menu clipper seem to be broken. It keeps running even if it's set to quit when I close Evernote.

 

I'm not able to reproduce this.  Is anyone else seeing this issue?

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Marcus - is this a whole new editor in this release or some under-lying functionality that you've just switched on that allows markdown?

switches. switches everywhere.

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From a UI standpoint, I still absolutely HATE it that the note title can scroll out of view. Hate it. This is a problem with Windows as well.

 

 

Having the title stay or scroll is a definitely personal thing.  I've heard a number of people express an interest in having the title stay and a number of people that like it scrolling away.  We decided to keep it scrolling to continue to try to maximize the editing space.  Do others want a feature to keep the title static?

 

OS: El Capitan (latest)

Evernote: 6.2 Beta 1

 

I am trying to rename a tag (r-click > rename or click twice) and when I start to type it just clears out like I clicked off of it.

 

Unfortunately, there's a bug in 6.2 beta where you can't rename a tag in the tag view.  For now you'll have to use the web client to change the tag name. 

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From a UI standpoint, I still absolutely HATE it that the note title can scroll out of view. Hate it. This is a problem with Windows as well.

 

 

Having the title stay or scroll is a definitely personal thing.  I've heard a number of people express an interest in having the title stay and a number of people that like it scrolling away.  We decided to keep it scrolling to continue to try to maximize the editing space.  Do others want a feature to keep the title static?

 

 

Thanks. For me the issue is with every other app, like Excel, Word, Textpad, you name it, the title of the document you are working in never vanishes. I cannot tell you how many times in Evernote I have to scroll up to the title of the note to get the title because it has relevant information in it. It could be the email subject the note came from, the file name of an imported file, the bible verse reference I am working on, the title of the article I am reading/annotating, etc.

I appreciate you taking it under consideration. To me, the title is part of the container, like the tags, date, and other things that don't vanish. In fact, I'd prefer the title stay and the tags, notebook, and date vanish from view if you have to make a choice. 

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A couple of things:

  • Any chance "1)" could be added to the markdown to start a list? This is a very common MS Word keystroke that starts a list.
  • While the toolbar is in design, can we get the indent and outdent buttons added to the mac like the Windows version has? See link. For that matter, if there is some editor parity being the goal, shouldn't the toolbars be virtually identical in function and order? The strikethrough icon is missing on the Mac, camera missing on Windows, and the order is slightly out of whack on several like the location of font color, checkboxes, etc.
  • Any plans to ever let Mac users merge notes in the order they are selected like the Windows version has vs having to hack the modified dates to get the notes to merge in the right order?
  • Finally, after installing it, it trashed my column widths. My columns are Created, Updated, Title, Sync, Tags, Notebook, and Size. I use the List view. When the beta installed, "Created" was about 80%-85% the width of the list, and the rest were as small as they could be. Just something to try an tweak in the upgrade process before it rolls out to the masses.
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As far as I understand the current situation regarding the common code base for the new Evernote editor, only the Mac version 6.x and the latest Windows beta client are currently using it. The Mac platform for some time acts as beta platform (and not only Mac beta versions) for the new editor. On the mobile platforms and the Web client it will be introduced later. Thus, it is no surprise that there is still a formatting difference between platforms.

 

Am I right Marcus?

 

Yes, you're right.  Mac and Windows both now have the common editor which means both platforms will get any new functionality that the common editor team builds.  Once this common editor is deployed to the mobile platforms then those platforms will also get the new functionality but also more importantly the notes will be rendered in a consistent way.  The way bullets look is a great example of this.  A new common editor means consistent rendering of notes across platforms and a consistent set of features.  To get to the stage where a single editor can be used by many platforms has been a multi-year process.  The exciting news for all of us is that all of those engineers who have been working for the past year on building infrastructure will soon be able to turn their attention to adding new features to the editor.  As a user of Evernote, I can't wait for improved table support :) .  I'm guessing a lot of you would agree with me.

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So far, really enjoying the Markdown.  As an Engineer this is huge for me.  Are there plans to support Headings?  At a minimum, it would be great if the in-built Markdown was on par with the Sublime Text plugin.

 

Thanks!  We do plan on adding proper headings at some point - we're working through the best way to add it.

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Markdown - Issue with Bold formatting.

 

If I use **TEXT** press Return and start the next line with a * List Item 

The point of the list item is in bold not normal format. Sometimes even the List Item text is in bold

 

Good catch.  This is a bug and has been filed.  Sorry about that.

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Bug:  The tag autocomplete is once again broken for tags containing "-".  When I type a "-" in  a tag's name in the tag field, the entire tag name for the first tag with the current pattern  is entered without being selected. 

 

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Markdown woud be absolutly great - thank you!

 

Most important in my opinion: in long reading text to have a structure with H1, H2, H3 (#, ##, ###) You can see this in the new iOS9 Notes app: Headers and paragraphes formates the text so pretty ...!

 

Bonus would be to generate a TOC (oder any other anchor _in_ a note).

 

To test it on Windows: I use 5.9.1.8742 (276742) - where to find a Beta?

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A couple of things:

  • Any chance "1)" could be added to the markdown to start a list? This is a very common MS Word keystroke that starts a list.
  • While the toolbar is in design, can we get the indent and outdent buttons added to the mac like the Windows version has? See link. For that matter, if there is some editor parity being the goal, shouldn't the toolbars be virtually identical in function and order? The strikethrough icon is missing on the Mac, camera missing on Windows, and the order is slightly out of whack on several like the location of font color, checkboxes, etc.
  • Any plans to ever let Mac users merge notes in the order they are selected like the Windows version has vs having to hack the modified dates to get the notes to merge in the right order?
  • Finally, after installing it, it trashed my column widths. My columns are Created, Updated, Title, Sync, Tags, Notebook, and Size. I use the List view. When the beta installed, "Created" was about 80%-85% the width of the list, and the rest were as small as they could be. Just something to try an tweak in the upgrade process before it rolls out to the masses.

 

 

Thanks for the feedback.  I can answer the first two - the second two I leave to Marcus.

 

Adding 1) as a shortcut - that's a great idea.  We'll see what we can do.

Toolbar - We're just getting started with the toolbar improvements.  These suggestions are not at all out of line of what we're thinking.

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As a user of Evernote, I can't wait for improved table support :) .  I'm guessing a lot of you would agree with me.

 

 

Thank you SoftwareMarcus!

Yes, you're right, i totally agree with you - i'm desperately waiting for improved table support!

 

And i'm very happy to read, that you're improving the evernote editor :-)

Evernote is a great product, but in 2015 there were some hard times (which made me even think about a switch to another solution).

I really hope the patience will pay off soon.

 

Speaking of table support:

Vertical alignment in table cells is a mixed experience in evernote.

EN Mac shows table contents with top alignment, but the same table has centre alignment in EN iOS and when printing the note with EN Mac.

I reported this issue to support several months ago, but they asked for my patience ;-)

Can i hope now, that this issue will be solved soon?

 

Mahalo

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From a UI standpoint, I still absolutely HATE it that the note title can scroll out of view. Hate it. This is a problem with Windows as well.

 

 

Having the title stay or scroll is a definitely personal thing.  

 

 

Marcus, it seems to me that reducing the view of the editing space by one line is a very small price to always know for sure what Note you are editing.  I often start editing a Note, and then something else demands my attention for a while.  When I CMD-TAB back to Evernote I often need to scroll back to the top to confirm which Note is being edited.

 

So, I have two possible solutions for this:

  1. Provide an option in EN Preferences that determines if the Note Title is always displayed.
  2. Show the Note Title in the Evernote Window title
    1. The Window title is currently "Evernote Premium" (for me)
    2. Why not change the Window Title to:  <Note Title> - Evernote
    3. This is how it already works if you open a Note in its own window
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Why do I want EN to support MD? It's simple: I want all my thoughts in one place. Right now, I have articles and images in Evernote, but I have to keep all my notes in Markdown in another application that supports it. 

 

I definitely understand this.  It is very similar to storing code blocks in Evernote.

 

So, I propose this:

  • Rather than converting Markdown codes to rich text, why not just provide a plain text block where you could enter MD code, or any other plain text.
    • This would allow all MD users to store snippets of MD text that can be easily copy/paste into other apps that expect MD text
    • This would also provide for the portability that some users would like
  • Provide a code block, where Evernote will not change any text/code, whether or not it is entered manually, or is pasted from a code editor/IDE.
    • This includes retaining all indents.  
    • If the code text contains colors, the colors would be retained.  IOW, retain the pasted code text exactly as it is on the clipboard.
    • As a bonus, Evernote could (later if need be) provide auto-syntax formatting/coloring (on an optional basis)

So what do you think MD users, would this work for you?

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Just updated to El Cap and I'm running EN 6.2b1

It's acting strange: when I open it the main window does not appear, I have to click on the dock icon again for it to show after a few secs.

We're investigating this but haven't figured out the root cause. It only affects a small select group of people. If you have anything unique about your system that you think may help us figure out why it only happens on a few systems, please let us know. For example, do you always run in full screen mode or something like that.

 

Applescripts do not work anymore, e.g. I have one defined in Hazel which moves a file into a Evernote notenook when a certain file appears oin a folder. Has been working fine until El Cap.

 

tell application "Evernote"

    activate

    create note from file theFile notebook {"Auszuege"} tags {"Sparkasse"}

end tell

 

Now I get:

2015-10-02 09:35:56.670 hazelworker[831] [Error] AppleScript failed: Error executing AppleScript on file /Users/manfredell/Downloads/Konto_79165505-Auszug_2015_009.PDF.

2015-10-02 09:35:56.671 hazelworker[831] OSAScript error: {

    NSLocalizedDescription = "Evernote got an error: AppleEvent timed out.";

    NSLocalizedFailureReason = "AppleEvent timed out.";

    OSAScriptErrorAppAddressKey = "<NSAppleEventDescriptor: [0x0,5b05b \"Evernote\"]>";

    OSAScriptErrorAppNameKey = Evernote;

    OSAScriptErrorBriefMessageKey = "AppleEvent timed out.";

    OSAScriptErrorMessageKey = "Evernote got an error: AppleEvent timed out.";

    OSAScriptErrorNumberKey = "-1712";

    OSAScriptErrorRangeKey = "NSRange: {0, 0}";

}

 

Also dragging a file into the dock icon to create a new note with it stopped working.

I'm guessing these 2 are related. I'm not able to reproduce this on my El Cap machine running the same AppleScript or dragging and dropping a file to the icon. Can you think of any reason why your system would be different or unique?

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Hi guys, favourites are missing from my side bar when it is minimised.

 

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Actually for this first release of the mini-sidebar we won't have it.  It's really only for temporary use while in split view.  However a bunch of us around the office like it a lot and would rather run this minimal sidebar instead of the full size one and would like to have all the same features.  Do you think you would run this mini-sidebar full time?

 

 

This looks a bit strange, when I select a notebook from the sidebar "Notes" gets highlighted, not the current notebook ... very confusing

 

This is with b2

 

This has actually been the design of the sidebar since Evernote for Mac 5.x so this is not a bug.  With that said, I've heard loud and clear that many don't like this design.  

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Marcus - is this a whole new editor in this release or some under-lying functionality that you've just switched on that allows markdown?

 

The new editor has been on the Mac since last year but the common editor team has been working on getting it ready to be deployed to all of Evernote's major platforms most specifically on Windows.   As some of that work winds down they can now turn their focus to adding features to the editor and the new basic markdown functionality is the first fruits of that work.

 

 

That's what I thought - the recent blog post seemed to imply that there was another new editor. 

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I just discovered little tiny bug. When i highlight couple sentences and try to create bulleted list the first sentence always have one extra space between bullet (dot) and words so if i try to remove it it also remove that dot and need to put it there again:

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I'm not able to reproduce this issue.

 

 

Tooltips weren't working in Beta 1 which made this a lot harder but you'll be able to hover over the notebook and tags to be able to see the entire name and all of your tags.

 

 

FYI - my column widths in list-view got trashed again, as per this post. Not an install. I had just totally shut EN down and later relaunched it. It doesn't happen every time - in fact, I tried 3 more times to get it to happen and couldn't - but there is something causing this. I am using List View.

 

And again. EN crashed. I sent in a bug report via the tool. I have the log as well.

 

Also, can anyone annotate a PDF? I cannot get the "Annotate PDF" or "Annotate copy of PDF" to show up in the right-click menu. None of the normal tools are there - cannot rename the PDF either. I can annotate using the annotate icon in the upper right, but the right-click menu seems boogered up.

 

 

The contextual menu was totally broken in the beta.  This will be fixed shortly.

 

We're getting a Beta 2 ready for everyone that will have fixes for many of the bugs you've reported like being unable to rename tags and widths of columns getting lost or growing.  Once it's built I'll post a link to the release candidate here.  

Thanks again to everyone for posting your comments and bugs.  You're finding some great issues.

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Hi Marcus!

 

I've been holding back on Evernote because of the lack of Markdown support. I was very excited to hear about this beta, so I signed up right away. I should note that I've only been using this beta, and haven't really used the 'regular' version of Evernote. I like it so far, but I don't really like how I can't see the 'source' of my markdown text.

 

I would suggest to show the text the way apps like iA Writer does, while editing. And show the 'parsed' text when viewing a note.

 

iA-Writer-Mac-App-Store.jpg

 

 

 

I have three more comments on the way Markdown is parsed in Evernote:

- I'd love to she Markdown headings

- For the 'checklists', I really like the way Github has implemented this. You create a checklist like so:

- [ ] Not checked item- [x] Checked item- [ ] Another not checked item

- I'm also a big fan of the default tables in markdown:

| Table head 1 | Table head 2 ||--------------|--------------|| Table content | Table content || Table content 2 | Table Content 2 |

Basically, in my ideal world Evernote would support full Github Flavored Markdown.

 

I know the Markdown implementation is in an early stage, but that makes this the best time to give my take on it.

 

 

Great work so far and I can't wait the test the coming versions!

Bram

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From a UI standpoint, I still absolutely HATE it that the note title can scroll out of view. Hate it. This is a problem with Windows as well.

 

 

Having the title stay or scroll is a definitely personal thing.  I've heard a number of people express an interest in having the title stay and a number of people that like it scrolling away.  We decided to keep it scrolling to continue to try to maximize the editing space.  Do others want a feature to keep the title static?

 

Fair enough, but in the new Web client you have implemented a solution for that problem. When the title is scrolled away it appears in the toolbar above the note. There should be some space available in the Mac client as well.

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I just want to throw my 2 cents in on the markdown issue. 

 

I agree with a lot of what's been said. But I understand that a full markdown implementation in evernote is probably not a great idea. Even if we think it's becoming more common, I can guarantee that if I said something about markdown to most of my friends in the real world they would have no idea what I'm talking about. 

 

That being said, I also agree that the current implementation could be made much more useful if there were a copy/export as markdown option. I use pandoc to generate academic papers in both microsoft word and latex (for pdfs). I already achieve this functionality with the wonderful evernote plugin for sublime text. But having the option built into evernote would open it up for a lot more people (i.e. those not using editors like sublime text). 

 

So, the basic message is enable some kind of markdown output in addition to the input option you've already provided. 

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I have a bug. I get emails from Eventbrite as an event organizer, and those go to my Evernote account. Now none of them have a header. No toolbar, no tag field, no subject line, nothing. 

 

So EN isn't reading the HTML in the email correctly and it is causing it to mess up.

 

Where can I send an .enex to? I don't want to share one in this group.

 

Here is what it looks like. https://www.evernote.com/l/AAGqOXCfao1EQ7YR1vU-D9ApZVt9144y2eI

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I don't see why Markdown should be part of Evernote, at least at this stage when the developers are trying to get this unified editor up and running. If knowledgeable users can use Markdown syntax to format things, that's fine, but it shouldn't be one of the main development goals.

Markdown is a pretty geeky thing, and I very much doubt that many of the millions of Evernote users even know what it is, let alone want to use it instead of the current way of formatting text.

If you want to create a Markdown formatted document, use a good Markdown editor - I really like 1Writer on iOS. But let Evernote concentrate on the basics of WYSIWYG editing for now.

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Marcus, I'm really looking forward to the improvements mentions in the Evernote blog post and elsewhere in the forums!

 

I just updated to the 6.2 beta and am experiencing some odd behavior using fullscreen view on OS x 10.10.5.

 

When using Evernote in fullscreen and opening a note in a new window I notice the window opens on top of fullscreen mode (as it did before) and now the background window is dimmed. When switching the newly opened window to fullscreen using command + control + F the window goes to fullscreen, however when taking that note back out of fullscreen mode the behavior seems to go astray and the main Evernote window is actually brought to the foreground (in front of the single note in fullscreen) and minimized.

 

This only seems to happen if using the keyboard shortcut or menu option to initiate full screen of the note. If you use the fullscreen button on the top left of the window to initiate fullscreen the behavior seems to be appropriate. This is especially inconvenient if you primarily work with Evernote in fullscreen and need to quickly move notes in new windows to desktop view.

 

I hope this makes sense in text as I don't have time to record a video right now. Thank you for working with us!

 

I forgot to mention; I'm also not seeing the responsive formatting bar. For me, the tools simply disappear as the window is scaled down.

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I don't see why Markdown should be part of Evernote, at least at this stage when the developers are trying to get this unified editor up and running. If knowledgeable users can use Markdown syntax to format things, that's fine, but it shouldn't be one of the main development goals.

Markdown is a pretty geeky thing, and I very much doubt that many of the millions of Evernote users even know what it is, let alone want to use it instead of the current way of formatting text.

If you want to create a Markdown formatted document, use a good Markdown editor - I really like 1Writer on iOS. But let Evernote concentrate on the basics of WYSIWYG editing for now.

 

Because I shouldn't have to have a separate app just to take my notes on when this product is called Evernote. The text editor is still absolute trash. Even just using in rich text. It is laughably awful. I can't take notes with this cruft and I'm tired of it. I've been tired of it. There's at least 4 different very active threads on this message board about how many users are tired of it and those threads have been active for YEARS. I pay for this product. I want to actually be able to use the text editor. It's awful. I'm not married to Markdown (I don't ever use it), but I am married to having a text editor that actually works and this one barely does.

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I don't see why Markdown should be part of Evernote, at least at this stage when the developers are trying to get this unified editor up and running. If knowledgeable users can use Markdown syntax to format things, that's fine, but it shouldn't be one of the main development goals.

Markdown is a pretty geeky thing, and I very much doubt that many of the millions of Evernote users even know what it is, let alone want to use it instead of the current way of formatting text.

If you want to create a Markdown formatted document, use a good Markdown editor - I really like 1Writer on iOS. But let Evernote concentrate on the basics of WYSIWYG editing for now.

 

A lot of writers use markdown. As they are working on the editor, this is the perfect time to support it. I shouldn't have to use a separate editor and then copy it to evernote. If you search for markdown in the EN user forums, there are a lot of requests and questions about it.

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I'm also pretty bummed about this markdown implementation. 

 

As an aside, markdown is getting more mainstream all the time. When Healthcare.gov had to be re-written from the ground up, they did it in markdown with a static site generator to lighten the server load. That means all the government bureaucrats had to learn to write about their healthcare policies in markdown. That's how their """CMS""" works. 

 

I would rather simply have my markdown notes in plain text that doesn't render anything and does simple things like indentation for lists and whatnot. I don't need Evernote to render Markdown; I have better tools for that. I just want it to be markdown-aware. 

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Also, sorry for the double post, but is there a way to turn off the Markdown shortcuts? I can now no longer type markdown into my notes because it always triggers this new feature. 

 

Sorry. I hate to be a jerk. I know the developers are trying to give the users what they want, but this markdown implementation is actually *worse* than not having it at all. 

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is it planned to offer an editor mode to enter a complete text in markdown and than switch to a preview mode?

The online translation from a MD command to view in Evernote is very slow

If I copy MD text into a new note the MD commands are not executed

 

Importing and converting copy and pasted markdown is not part of this release - it's simply replacement while typing.  Sorry for the confusion.

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is it planned to offer an editor mode to enter a complete text in markdown and than switch to a preview mode?

The online translation from a MD command to view in Evernote is very slow

If I copy MD text into a new note the MD commands are not executed

 

Importing and converting copy and pasted markdown is not part of this release - it's simply replacement while typing.  Sorry for the confusion.

 

 

Is that on the roadmap to more fully support MD, or is it just designed to be a typing shortcut?

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Hi, I have been following this group and the recent development quite eagerly so I felt compelled to write up a few lines on how I would like to use Evernote on Medium because I thought it might be too much text for a post here. 

 

The TL:DR is basically that I think it is not clear enough what Evernote tries to be and that it should think of it as a platform that offers built upon its API different services/applications to different target groups centered around a highly collaborative Evernote App with live text editing, reflow able text editing, tasks that can be attached to everything (see the link above)...and another simple Note App for people that like to use Markdown and don't need the collaborative features (to mention dayone here once again ).

 

I don't know what you have defined as your ideal customer or what personas you are building the software for but as much as I am appreciating the new openness and communication I am not sure who is engaging in this conversation. There is probably a large number of people that will only start complaining once you have changed something together with the participation group. This is why I think the platform approach is useful. Like what box does around files does Evernote around notes.

 

What do you think?

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So, I propose this:

  • Rather than converting Markdown codes to rich text, why not just provide a plain text block where you could enter MD code, or any other plain text.

    • This would allow all MD users to store snippets of MD text that can be easily copy/paste into other apps that expect MD text
    • This would also provide for the portability that some users would like
  • Provide a code block, where Evernote will not change any text/code, whether or not it is entered manually, or is pasted from a code editor/IDE.

    • This includes retaining all indents.  
    • If the code text contains colors, the colors would be retained.  IOW, retain the pasted code text exactly as it is on the clipboard.
    • As a bonus, Evernote could (later if need be) provide auto-syntax formatting/coloring (on an optional basis)
So what do you think MD users, would this work for you?

This is pretty much exactly what I want, a plain-text note that doesn't do anything with what I type into it. In fact, the solution I currently use for notes (nvALT, a fork of Notational Velocity) is what I would describe as "Markdown-aware." It doesn't render Markdown, and I don't want it to. It only does very simple things to help, like when I am typing a list, it automatically starts the next line at the same indent level with the same list delimiter (* or -). Most of what I type in Markdown actually stays in Markdown and never gets converted. I have apps that render MD really nicely when I need it. Evernote shouldn't do this, as it's actually surprisingly difficult to do well.

The problem with the current implementation is that I actually *can't* write markdown in it, even if I want to settle for a somewhat hacky solution. I would be satisfied if I could simply turn off the Markdown-style typing shortcuts.

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FYI - my column widths in list-view got trashed again, as per this post. Not an install. I had just totally shut EN down and later relaunched it. It doesn't happen every time - in fact, I tried 3 more times to get it to happen and couldn't - but there is something causing this. I am using List View.

 

And again. EN crashed. I sent in a bug report via the tool. I have the log as well.

 

Also, can anyone annotate a PDF? I cannot get the "Annotate PDF" or "Annotate copy of PDF" to show up in the right-click menu. None of the normal tools are there - cannot rename the PDF either. I can annotate using the annotate icon in the upper right, but the right-click menu seems boogered up.

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We just released Evernote for Mac 6.2 Beta 2.  Read more about it here

 

Is this the same b2 from 2-3 days ago?

 

 

It's not.  We removed the inline markup-inspired formatting, fixed clicking at the bottom of the note to get into edit mode and also fixed a copy and paste issue with tables.

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There appears to be some issues with the way keyboard shortcuts for tagging and moving notes to notebooks operates.

 

I'm a heavy user of the GTD process, and so have a default notebook which I use as my 'Collection Box'. From there I will use shortcut keys (cmd + ') to tag notes will start typing and them press ctrl + cmd + m to move the note to the appropriate notebook. 

 

In previous versions this functions perfectly, in this beta release however, the shortcut keys don't seem to be triggered correctly. I'll need to tab out of fields or move the mouse to fully focus on the note as opposed to being able to do it from the note list.

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It’s clear that this implementation missed the mark, so we’ve decided to pull the inline shortcuts out and rethink the approach.

 

 

Totally agree! It is better to take a step back to get it right than to ship something half-baked. It seems to me that markdown is a decisive feature, and power users don't mind "working for it". Perhaps it is a preference?

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