Evernote for Windows 6.18 beta 3

[Iriska 24]

Today we released Windows 6.18 beta 3. It's available here!

Update: We reverted to the previous version of Chromium. Please find a new version of beta 3 in the above link

What’s in 6.18 beta 3?

New:

• Security update

Fixed:

• German: Transitional HTML entities display in the warning box when moving unshared note to a shared notebook
• Expanded Notebooks or Stacks in Notebook Kingdom view does not keep after expanding them and returning back
• Incorrect notebook name is shown on notification message in Japanese
• Source url field is blank if it is set to https:// in Note info
• Tooltip is missing from the "Save as Template" icon

[fchandler 30]

Updated to Beta 3 this morning. There is a Blank Area above Note Lists that will not go away.

[jefito 5,598]

3 hours ago, fchandler said:

Updated to Beta 3 this morning. There is a Blank Area above Note Lists that will not go away.

Is that in all note views? I use Snippet view almost exclusively.

[keisoko 56]

5 hours ago, fchandler said:

Updated to Beta 3 this morning. There is a Blank Area above Note Lists that will not go away.

I got the same blank area after closing a pop-up about a new Evernote add-on for Gmail.  Restarting Evernote solved in my case. By restarting  I mean choosing File --> Exit and then starting Evernote again. Have you tried to do the same?

[Ethan Mings 41]

I can confirm the same problem and the above solution worked for me.

[ej8899 175]

1) Seeing a lot of crashes - just closes with no warning/no info.  This is largely occurring when I drag an image from Evernote into an Outlook email - doesn't happen every time, but 'frequently' - which is 100% more than the prior version of EN. 

2) in the note window, I get the text input mouse icon (upper case "I" with serifs looking pointer - sorry, the name of it eludes me) - This seems normal - except over links - I can still click a link and it goes to the link, but this mouse cursor stood out to me - prior version was the hand and pointed finger icon.

In full disclosure, I probably need to reboot this laptop anyway - maybe the problems will go away. 

[fchandler 30]

20 hours ago, keisoko said:

I got the same blank area after closing a pop-up about a new Evernote add-on for Gmail.  Restarting Evernote solved in my case. By restarting  I mean choosing File --> Exit and then starting Evernote again. Have you tried to do the same?

Thank You. Worked for me, but have experienced other issues in the drag and drop between apps. Have gone back to 6.17.

[dconnet 529]

There are multiple DnD issues (honestly? Don't DnD). The "blank space" issue has been identified.

Updating CEF (Chromium Embedded Framework - the browser) is always a dreadful process. We updated between this beta and the last. 

[eric99 1,090]

1 hour ago, dconnet said:

There are multiple DnD issues (honestly? Don't DnD). The "blank space" issue has been identified.

Updating CEF (Chromium Embedded Framework - the browser) is always a dreadful process. We updated between this beta and the last. 

I still wonder why Evernote's  DnD implementation is so fragile in this framework?  Is CEF not intended for this kind of applications?

[dconnet 529]

We had to modify the CEF source to get DnD to do what we needed. (But the problem is deeper - rolling back all our changes still doesn't get things that should work working)

[Don Dz 166]

I am observing the return of a previously fixed bug: opening a link from a secondary window doesn't follow the link on the same window, instead it opens it on the main window.  This disrupts my weekly two windows note update.

Anyone else seeing this?

[ej8899 175]

31 minutes ago, Don Dz said:

I am observing the return of a previously fixed bug: opening a link from a secondary window doesn't follow the link on the same window, instead it opens it on the main window.  This disrupts my weekly two windows note update.

Anyone else seeing this?

Seeing this too - although, using links in a secondary window isn't a part of my normal work flow at all so I'd likely have never noticed this.
This being said... I just tested the prior version for this quirk and found the results "spotty" - sometimes links would follow in the secondary window, sometimes they'd only open in the main window.  I found a some notes that stayed consistent - wonder if it has something to do with the link being generated when one creates a note link?

[Don Dz 166]

On 4/13/2019 at 9:40 PM, ej8899 said:

Seeing this too - although, using links in a secondary window isn't a part of my normal work flow at all so I'd likely have never noticed this.

Well, I uninstalled beta 3 and reinstalled beta 2.  The behavior no longer occurs in my case. 

A couple of other things are no longer happening: 1-the mouse cursor was not turning into a hand on links at all, now it is doing it normally again.  2-The Reminders link on the Note list was not visible, now it is visible again.

Uncertain whether these were caused by beta 3.

EDIT: Reinstalled beta 3, all 3 problems mentioned above reappeared.  Back to beta 2, all is well again.

[jefito 5,598]

On 4/12/2019 at 4:33 PM, dconnet said:

We had to modify the CEF source to get DnD to do what we needed. (But the problem is deeper - rolling back all our changes still doesn't get things that should work working)

Ugh. Sounds horrible. Where do I send the sympathy card to?

[eric99 1,090]

On 4/12/2019 at 10:33 PM, dconnet said:

We had to modify the CEF source to get DnD to do what we needed. (But the problem is deeper - rolling back all our changes still doesn't get things that should work working)

I hope you can confince the CEF team to integrate the required DnD functionality into their framework. Forking the code is a never ending story I'm afraid

[CalS 5,311]

On 4/12/2019 at 1:33 PM, dconnet said:

We had to modify the CEF source to get DnD to do what we needed. (But the problem is deeper - rolling back all our changes still doesn't get things that should work working)

Sometimes you are the bug, and sometimes you are the windshield.  

[jefito 5,598]

4 hours ago, eric99 said:

I hope you can confince the CEF team to integrate the required DnD functionality into their framework. Forking the code is a never ending story I'm afraid

For fun, check out the CEF repository (I'm assuming that this is the one Evernote is based from, could be wrong, though): https://bitbucket.org/chromiumembedded/cef

343 forks, to date. Never-ending, indeed...

(and I know that that's not what you really meant)

[jefito 5,598]

2 hours ago, CalS said:

Sometimes you are the bug

Sounds kinda metaphoric there, given the context...  

[Ethan Mings 41]

Just click on a Sharable URL link in the chat the program open up a page.  Then I could get back to normal chat.

Back to a previous version.  There is something wrong with links in the chat feature.

[Kimsman 1]

On 4/11/2019 at 5:16 PM, ej8899 said:

1) Seeing a lot of crashes - just closes with no warning/no info.  This is largely occurring when I drag an image from Evernote into an Outlook email - doesn't happen every time, but 'frequently' - which is 100% more than the prior version of EN. 

I am seeing a lot of crashes, but I can't identify any consistent pattern to when or what I'm doing.

[gazumped 12,213]

Me too crashes,  misreported here... https://discussion.evernote.com/topic/118709-evernote-for-windows-618-beta-1/?do=findComment&comment=535530

No pattern, no data loss (AFAIK) and only about four in the past week,  which is when it started for me.

[Kimsman 1]

I think I had 4 crashes yesterday. So frequent I've had to reinstall the production version and will re-join the beta after the next update. I was watching a webinar and trying to take notes and it crashed at least 3 times so I couldn't get the notes -- had to use the web version.

[JoseVS 8]

ver 6.18.3.8456 (308456) Prerelease (CE Build ce-62.3.7750) running on Win10 Home.

Encountering frequent fatal errors crashes. Happening at a rate around 8+ times per day. Usually occurs when I try to click open a note from the Top List view. EN won't respond when clicking the Icon or Tray Icon. I either have to reboot or go into Win Task Manager kill the EN Tray App and for good measure, I haven't checked if it makes a difference, EN clipper App. Once all EN processes are shut down I can open EN again. At launch, the All Notes List View is blank, but a sync restores everything in view. Not seeing any data loss, whatever I'm working on seems intact when EN syncs.

[dconnet 529]

Recommendation: Downgrade to Beta2. Seriously. (We're working on rolling back all the CEF changes that went into Beta3. I'll need a substance abuse program when this is done.)

[Kimsman 1]

3 minutes ago, dconnet said:

Recommendation: Downgrade to Beta2. Seriously. (We're working on rolling back all the CEF changes that went into Beta3. I'll need a substance abuse program when this is done.)

Which version is that? And where can I get it at this point?

I have install files for 6.17.6.8292 (Production) and 6.18.3.8456 (Beta 3, I believe).

[dconnet 529]

Yes, that's beta3. Beta2 can be found at: http://cdn1.evernote.com/win6/prerelease/Evernote_6.18.2.8380.exe

 

[Kimsman 1]

Thanks dconnet! Installing now.

[Don Dz 166]

2 hours ago, dconnet said:

Recommendation: Downgrade to Beta2. Seriously. 

In that case, perhaps beta 3 should be taken off the automatic update channel.  Currently it is still showing up..

[dconnet 529]

We do have the automatic update set at 0% - but if you manually check, you'll see it. A replacement for that beta is coming "real soon".

[jefito 5,598]

4 hours ago, dconnet said:

Recommendation: Downgrade to Beta2. Seriously. (We're working on rolling back all the CEF changes that went into Beta3. I'll need a substance abuse program when this is done.)

Hopefully it's nothing worse that espresso overload. (I was smartlucky and hadn't updated to Beta 3 yet)

1 hour ago, dconnet said:

We do have the automatic update set at 0% - but if you manually check, you'll see it. A replacement for that beta is coming "real soon".

Good luck -- hope that the rollback goes better and everyone's heart rates can drop back. Working under pressure isn't fun, it's worse when it entails undoing something that didn't work. See the scars here? And here? Oh, and over there?

[dconnet 529]

21 hours ago, dconnet said:

We do have the automatic update set at 0% - but if you manually check, you'll see it. A replacement for that beta is coming "real soon".

A "new" version is available. This is a hotfix for the 6.17 GA. Because of our update versioning, this is seen as an update to the beta (because it was released later - yeah, I know. The architecture for that was set down a decade ago. Thankfully we rarely run into cases like this.).

If you're running Beta2 (or 3), the hotfix issue is already fixed, so you probably want to ignore the 6.17.7 release. (And because of MSI versioning, the installer itself knows this is a downgrade and will complain. Loudly. double sigh.)

[jefito 5,598]

The day I'm asked to do installer stuff will be the day I retire...

[dconnet 529]

1 hour ago, jefito said:

The day I'm asked to do installer stuff will be the day I retire...

I did it for almost 3 years at another company. Driver installs too. (Funny thing, headhunter contacted me, my skills were a perfect match - for installers. Nope! Once was enough!)

[EdH 1,670]

I have beta 6.18.3 but it is asking me to install the latest version, 6.17.7 Public (308474). I wasn't paying attention to versions so said OK, and obviously got this.

 

 

The update notification: 

 

My installed version:

 

[dconnet 529]

That's expected. See my post (a couple) above.

Edit: Our upgrade path doesn't play nicely with MSI (Microsoft Installer).

[EdH 1,670]

1 hour ago, dconnet said:

That's expected. See my post (a couple) above.

Edit: Our upgrade path doesn't play nicely with MSI (Microsoft Installer).

Ok. I didn't check for the update. It just told me it was there. I only checked to get the screengrabs above.

I too have seen crashes in the past few days, but never when using. Only after suspending and whatnot, so haven't had an issue to lose data or work.

[xtoq 6]

I just want to add I was also automatically informed of the upgrade this morning, I did NOT look for an upgrade manually. I, too, accepted the suggested upgrade because I didn't realize it was in fact a downgrade.

So now I'm in the process of reinstalling.

[dconnet 529]

There's a new Beta3 now available. It should be safe! 6.18.3.8477. (The link in the initial post at the top of this thread has been updated)

[EdH 1,670]

Reboot requirement is a new thing.

l'll have to wait to try this. I don't recall ever seeing that. Normally it just uninstalls and installs fine, and might fuss if Outlook isn't closed first.

[ej8899 175]

8 minutes ago, EdH said:

Reboot requirement is a new thing.

l'll have to wait to try this. I don't recall ever seeing that. Normally it just uninstalls and installs fine, and might fuss if Outlook isn't closed first.

 

No reboot required for me - although I did "prepare" for a reboot just in case. 

 

[dconnet 529]

11 minutes ago, EdH said:

Reboot requirement is a new thing.

We try to avoid this style upgrade - as I noted, we re-release Beta3. So MSI sees this new version as the same version as the old Beta3 - this is the same-version upgrade path. It's not very user friendly, so we try to avoid ever doing this publicly. However, the old Beta3 has a newer version of CEF - so any upgrade from that would cause "very bad things" to happen (because we would be violating MSI component rules). We made a conscious decision to inflict that same-version upgrade so the CEF dll downgrade would properly install.

Probably as clear as mud now.

tl;dr: Installers are hard. Downgrading files during an upgrade is harder.

[Don Dz 166]

2 hours ago, dconnet said:

There's a new Beta3 now available. It should be safe! 6.18.3.8477. (The link in the initial post at the top of this thread has been updated)

Hmm, somehow I think it should have been called beta 4,  to avoid confusion with the other beta 3 (and to discuss it separately), but ok.

[gazumped 12,213]

.............................................................................that was..... interesting.  Please don't ever do that again..........................................  arrgh!!

[EdH 1,670]

well, upgraded with no reboot. 👍

[CalS 5,311]

Maybe I'll just wait for 6.19.....

[Don Dz 166]

On 4/13/2019 at 10:24 PM, Don Dz said:

2-The Reminders link on the Note list was not visible, now it is visible again.

The problems I previously mentioned are apparently no longer present, except the Reminder link on the Note list is again not visible, not sure if this is a beta feature, I did check options just to be sure.

[dconnet 529]

15 hours ago, Don Dz said:

Hmm, somehow I think it should have been called beta 4,  to avoid confusion with the other beta 3 (and to discuss it separately), but ok.

True. We probably should have - it would still be 6.18.3 tho! (because of the MSI update issues I talked about before)

[jefito 5,598]

Mitigating factor in this case is that this is a beta release, so fortunately the affected number of users should be relatively small. In my case, I had avoided the earlier beta 3, and the update to the new beta 3 from beta 2 went smoothly, which I think is expected, since there's no downgrade of the CEF componentry. .

Except: installs (or the updating step in the install) will halt if you just happen to be at a breakpoint in the Visual Studio debugger; probably not  in the test suite...   But no problem, just F5 to Continue, and it's all swell...

[MatS14 19]

I actually never use beta

 

[jefito 5,598]

17 minutes ago, MatS14 said:

I actually never use beta

Guess this thread doesn't apply to you, then, does it?

[EdH 1,670]

37 minutes ago, MatS14 said:

I actually never use beta

 

Looks at quote.

Looks at thread title.

[MatS14 19]

47 minutes ago, jefito said:

Guess this thread doesn't apply to you, then, does it?

Actually I was thinking of using it.

[MatS14 19]

28 minutes ago, EdH said:

Looks at quote.

Looks at thread title.

That's Creepy.

[TdeV 90]

Evernote is telling me I have to uninstall 6.18.2.8380 to proceed. I think an upgrade has never told me this before. Should I proceed?

[EdH 1,670]

28 minutes ago, TdeV said:

Evernote is telling me I have to uninstall 6.18.2.8380 to proceed. I think an upgrade has never told me this before. Should I proceed?

It always uninstalls, but I do think this is the first time it stops to tell you that and press Ok. If you had watched the earlier "upgrades" closely, one of the progress bars is "removing old version" or something to that effect. 

Nothing is lost. It is just removing the app files, no data, no settings. You should be ok.

[MatS14 19]

I think you should.

[dconnet 529]

17 hours ago, TdeV said:

Evernote is telling me I have to uninstall 6.18.2.8380 to proceed. I think an upgrade has never told me this before. Should I proceed?

It sounds like this is doing the 6.17.7 upgrade (which is really a downgrade). Since you're on beta2, skip this. A new Beta3 is now available and will upgrade in the way you expect.

[TdeV 90]

@dconnet, worked seamlessly. Thanks!

[Don Dz 166]

Has anyone encountered a situation where an encrypted note became an image that cannot be converted, while editing?

So far this has happened to me only once, in the most current beta 3.

[lagrange 16]

Updated to version 6.18.3.8477 (308477) Prerelease (CE Build ce-62.3.7750) but now my notes appearing blank in the Windows Desktop similar as in this thread https://discussion.evernote.com/topic/111758-notes-appearing-blank-in-windows-desktop-client/. 

 EvernoteActivityLogLagrange.txt

The log states that the BrowserEngine does not start - with or without hardware acceleration. Notes are OK  and visible in presentation mode but will not be rendered in the note window of the client...nor can they be edited.

[MatS14 19]

I don't think This thread is available anymore:

Could you maybe explain the problem?

[lagrange 16]

Strange - I am able to access the thread and the attached log file from this very forum page. But to summarize quickly:

• In the desktop client the note list displays  with snippets  correctly
• Yet the note window is simply blank for all notes
• If you open a note in a pop-out window the window is blank
• if you open a note in a presentation window it shows correctly
• The notes show correctly in a web version as well as in the mobile versions of the evernote client
• This has happened to other users with previous versions of the client (not me) 

Does it make it more clear?

[MatS14 19]

7 minutes ago, lagrange said:

Strange - I am able to access the thread and the attached log file from this very forum page.

Hmm. Interesting.

 

Yes, thank you.

So, you can't see the notes,( like this ) :

But you can only see the Title? ( Sorry, I spelled Symbols wrong. lol )  

 

[lagrange 16]

Yes, title of the note is correctly displayed including tags and the format ribbon but the actual content frame is simply empty - a white space that the curse can hover over but not interact. No typing possible - nothing to see.

[gazumped 12,213]

Hi.  As a subscriber you should be able to raise this with Evernote support which might help to avoid this being an issue with the next release;  otherwise you might want to avoid the betas for a while and go back to the last public release by uninstalling the current version and downloading / reinstalling.  Keep a copy of your databases folder as a backup,  and don't forget to change the settings on Evernote > Tools > Options so you won't re-update to the beta thread again.

[lagrange 16]

Thanks, gazumped!

I raised a ticket yesterday and will follow through with the support's suggestion. Will update here.

Kind regards,

Kay

 

[lagrange 16]

The feedback from support was to disable Hardware Acceleration (in the client and/or the registry) but unfortunately, this did not change the situation

[gazumped 12,213]

9 hours ago, lagrange said:

The feedback from support was to disable Hardware Acceleration (in the client and/or the registry) but unfortunately, this did not change the situation

Hmmn.  In that case I'd suggest a step back to the current public version.  You could try a re-install of the beta,  but if you want to do that I think a comprehensive clean out with Revo Uninstaller Free and a system restart would be indicated to ensure that all traces of your existing setup (except for the database files) are removed.  For safety's sake a system backup or at the very least copying your Databases folder to another location would be a good idea...

[lagrange 16]

Thanks for the advice!

Did roll back to 6.17.7.8474 (308474) Public (CE Build ce-62.1.7539)  - Notes are fully visible and edible,  including hardware acceleration. Seems the beta introduced a change in the rendering engine that did not went well with my system.

 

[viveknz76 8]

When is the new editor coming to the Beta version of Windows? I am liking the minimalism on Web.

[gazumped 12,213]

6 hours ago, viveknz76 said:

When is the new editor coming to the Beta version of Windows? I am liking the minimalism on Web.

Evernote don't usually trail upcoming releases - when it's out,  we'll know. Probably. The betas releases can be a bit light on change detail even then.  Somethng like a new or upgraded editor should be a bit in-your-face though..

[OrbWeaver 83]

I skipped 6.17 completely because I had too many problems with it and just now tried 6.18 B3.

Is there a reason it inserts an extra carriage return on every paste operation? For instance, take the words

Testing one two three

I select the "two" (only those three letters) and copy. I then instantly paste and the result is

Testing one two

three

It always gives me that extra return. I've reverted to 6.16.4 again as I do lots of cut/paste and fixing them takes too much time. The older versions don't have this issue. I won't call it a problem or a bug because it may be on purpose. I just don't know why.

[jefito 5,598]

33 minutes ago, OrbWeaver said:

It always gives me that extra return. I've reverted to 6.16.4 again as I do lots of cut/paste and fixing them takes too much time. The older versions don't have this issue. I won't call it a problem or a bug because it may be on purpose. I just don't know why.

Not seeing this in 6.18.3.8477 (308477) Prerelease (CE Build ce-62.3.7750)

[JoseVS 8]

This has been going on for some time already. In the current beta, (CE Build ce-62.3.7750), a normal paste is okay. A "Paste and Match Style" will net you a line break/carriage return.

[OrbWeaver 83]

21 minutes ago, JoseVS said:

normal paste is okay. A "Paste and Match Style" will net you a line break/carriage return.

I was just about to clarify my post to note this. I had the "switch Ctrl-V / Ctrl-Shift-V" option turned on. I'm not sure what "style" the extra CRLF is matching but it makes it unusable for me. Version 6.14.x works so that's where I'll be staying.

It may be a small thing but notes look really ugly with those extra line breaks and they sure mess up URLs.

 

[MatS14 19]

21 hours ago, OrbWeaver said:

I skipped 6.17 completely because I had too many problems with it and just now tried 6.18 B3.

Is there a reason it inserts an extra carriage return on every paste operation? For instance, take the words

Testing one two three

I select the "two" (only those three letters) and copy. I then instantly paste and the result is

Testing one two

three

It always gives me that extra return. I've reverted to 6.16.4 again as I do lots of cut/paste and fixing them takes too much time. The older versions don't have this issue. I won't call it a problem or a bug because it may be on purpose. I just don't know why.

Could you send a screenshot for clarification, or a small movie?

[jefito 5,598]

On 5/6/2019 at 2:30 PM, JoseVS said:

This has been going on for some time already. In the current beta, (CE Build ce-62.3.7750), a normal paste is okay. A "Paste and Match Style" will net you a line break/carriage return.

That helped, thanks.