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7 hours ago, DTLow said:

I pay the subscription fee for the continued processing of my data.  I need the enhanced featureset and limits

>> I have the right to make noise and express my frustrations

If you say so.  

I use the voting buttons to indicate my support for a request; I’m not into the dramatics

>>Also, i don't want to be told to use another alternative if the feature i expect from a product is not there.

If you’re not interested in the work-arounds, don’t use them.

For  me, I’m not willing to give up on the features I need

Cool , good for you. I think the reason evernote does not improve might be due to users like you, who don't seem to be interested in voicing out and making strong demands so that the product can grow and become better but blindly worshipping evernote as if it has nothing wrong. 

I am not willing to give up on the features i need too, which is markdown support, that is why i am expressing my frustrations using plain language instead of lazily pressing the up button.

I know every possible workarounds, i even wrote some web apps to to write notes with markdown and syntax highlight. But wait a moment, why i should not be the one finding a work-around in the first place ? Shouldn't it be the job of evernote team to support customers with their use cases , provide solutions be it temporary or not and listen to customer's requests ?

Funny story of the day:

One day, a restaraunt run out of salt and served 2 dishes without salt to customers.

Person A talks to the manager demanding a refund or a new dish to be served.

Person B thought to himself :"it is okay, maybe the cook want that dish to be healthier and i can work-around by bringing my own salt"
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47 minutes ago, PaceWalker said:

Cool , good for you. I think the reason evernote does not improve might be due to users like you, who don't seem to be interested in voicing out and making strong demands so that the product can grow and become better but blindly worshipping evernote as if it has nothing wrong.

This is both nonsensical and unfair: DTLow helps other Evernote users use Evernote better, pretty much every day. He knows as well as anyone that Evernote has limitations -- and expresses them -- but as I see it, he's found Evernote to be overall worth it to stick with, despite those limitations (I feel much the same way). I see no blind worship there, just a strong desire to spend time getting things done as effectively as possible with the tool at hand.

52 minutes ago, PaceWalker said:

I am not willing to give up on the features i need too, which is markdown support, that is why i am expressing my frustrations using plain language instead of lazily pressing the up button.

While we always hope and expect that improvements will be made, we're really just paying for a service. If Evernote wasn't of use to me as it exists here and now, I wouldn't use it, much less pay for it, plain and simple; that would just be foolish. Your expectations may be different, but hey, it's your money; unfortunately, that's not what the contract is.

That being said, you are of course correct in that you have a right to make noise and express your frustrations here on the forums, and nobody's disputing that. On the other hand, we users cannot change the code, but we can try to find workarounds for limitations, which is completely valid because we can't change the code.

As for your funny story of the day, cute (though not very apt), but you forgot Person C, who, knowing that there was no salt, went ahead and ate the whole saltless meal anyway and still wants a refund, plus the right to sit around in the restaurant's lobby making fun of other diners who ate the same meal but didn't complain adequately or goodness, even enjoyed it without salt.

52 minutes ago, PaceWalker said:

I know every possible workarounds, i even wrote some web apps to to write notes with markdown and syntax highlight.

Um, OK. Were you able to reliably round-trip arbitrary HTML back to Markdown, which would be the real key to full Markdown support? Converting Markdown to HTML is not that big a deal; going the other way is much harder.

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On 2017-08-25 at 9:57 AM, PaceWalker said:

voicing out and making strong demands so that the product can grow and become better

The Squeaky Wheel Theory59a074184f8da_ScreenShot2017-08-25at11_59_30.png.c87cc87bb1228dca8bbed0a64e03e406.png

also known as Greasy Wheels

 

 

 

>>Funny Story 

I see myself as person C.  I eat at the restaurant because it's the best choice around.  
I did speak with the manager but I'm not going to obsess about it
I like salt on my food.  Knowing there's a salt shortage, I bring my own.  I share my salt with other customersi

Then there's person D.  They eat at the restaurant because it's the best choice around.
They are aware of the salt 
shortage and have spoken to the manager
They eat their food without salt and "voice out"
They blame person C for the salt shortage

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@DTLow

Please simply accept the fact that there are people who expect more from the Evernote editor than you do.  

Henry Ford was supposed to have said "you can get any colour providing it is black". Salt was said to have been the gold of the Middle Ages. 

Relevance to today?  Gone! 

In conclusion, it is only right and proper for users to remind Evernote time and again of what is sorely missing. Charges have gone up some time ago, yet the editor gets more bug ridden with every tiny little addition.  

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17 hours ago, JohnLongney said:

Please simply accept the fact that there are people who expect more from the Evernote editor than you do.  

 

@JohnLongney  Please simply accept that there are people who require more features than the Evernote editor provides, for example Markdown

I actively seek solutions for obtaining these missing features

>>In conclusion, it is only right and proper for users to remind Evernote time and again of what is sorely missing.

Not my thing; I’ll leave that to you.  

I add my vote to the requests; I’m more interested in solutions to missing features 

 

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11 hours ago, PaceWalker said:

Cool , good for you. I think the reason evernote does not improve might be due to users like you, who don't seem to be interested in voicing out and making strong demands so that the product can grow and become better but blindly worshipping evernote as if it has nothing wrong. 

I am not willing to give up on the features i need too, which is markdown support, that is why i am expressing my frustrations using plain language instead of lazily pressing the up button.

I know every possible workarounds, i even wrote some web apps to to write notes with markdown and syntax highlight. But wait a moment, why i should not be the one finding a work-around in the first place ? Shouldn't it be the job of evernote team to support customers with their use cases , provide solutions be it temporary or not and listen to customer's requests ?


Funny story of the day:

One day, a restaraunt run out of salt and served 2 dishes without salt to customers.

Person A talks to the manager demanding a refund or a new dish to be served.

Person B thought to himself :"it is okay, maybe the cook want that dish to be healthier and i can work-around by bringing my own salt"

If you say Evernote never improves I guess you must be blind. (Bug fixes is improvements)

By the way, I believe there are much more features which may be believed to be more important than markdown.

Well, text editor most of the time could do markdown nowadays like visual studio code etc. The time u spend complaining could be done searching easily with google assistant / Cortana / Siri to search for a workaround?

Also, I believe the Evernote staff would have seen this since it is at 282 Upvotes?

(not wanting to say anything but the words got me triggered.)

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Leanote (http://leanote.org) is rocking exactly the concept that would work for Evernote.

I've been using it on and off during it's development, and it's quite capable with none of the often strange and awful formatting issues Evernote continues to have to this day. Edit and store in markdown, display in rendered HTML. 

I bet they could be bought for a pretty reasonable sum...

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10 hours ago, stephen_bradley said:

Edit and store in markdown, display in rendered HTML. 

Can the export be stored as an attachment to an Evernote note?

I’m enthused about using alternate editors to get extended features

>>I bet they could be bought for a pretty reasonable sum...

I suspect this feature requires a proprietary format not supported by Evernote’s enml  base (Edit and store in markdown, display in rendered HTML).  For sure, the Edit part is do-able; we’re already seeing pieces of this

edited: Reading the documentation for Marxico, I see
Marxico puts the Markdown text in a hidden area of the note, which makes it possible to get the original text in Marxico and edit it again.

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8 hours ago, stephen_bradley said:

Edit and store in markdown, display in rendered HTML.

Ok, but Evernote stores its notes in ENML (sort of a subset of XHTML), not Markdown. It's one thing to go from Markdown into XHTML (which is, I think may be what you're saying), but can you easily go back to Markdown from XHTML? Anyways, with that in mind, there is this: 

 

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22 hours ago, Doff said:

Please have a look at Boostnote.

I’m all for using alternate editors and storing the documents as attachments in Evernote

Will Boostnote allow this storage 

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Dude this feature would be awesome. It would be absolutely sick if it could be implemented with keyboard shortcuts for example cmd + opt + 1 for heading 1 for like titles. Then cmd + opt + 2 for heading 2 and all the way up to 6.

Also seriously I don't get those that are saying, "if you want this feature look elsewhere." Seriously this is a very robust and convenient note taking program. Syncs with multiple devices, has web plugins, nice sharing features, decent organization. Going to a different solution for note taking would be very inconvenient because not many have all these features Evernote has. Adding markdown capability would not be outside of what Evernote is meant to do. It would go hand in hand with what it's meant for.

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11 hours ago, Pavlik said:

Dude this feature would be awesome. It would be absolutely sick if it could be implemented with keyboard shortcuts for example cmd + opt + 1 for heading 1 for like titles. Then cmd + opt + 2 for heading 2 and all the way up to 6.

This would be nice, but it's not Markdown.

11 hours ago, Pavlik said:

Also seriously I don't get those that are saying, "if you want this feature look elsewhere."

Actually, that's a common-sense take on the situation. Basically, the stance is "Evernote doesn't supply it now, and while it's fine to request it, there's no guarantee that they will add it. Therefore, if it's critical to your workflow (and third-party additions like Marxico -- see https://discussion.evernote.com/topic/61145-marxico-the-missing-markdown-editor-for-evernote/ -- don't cut it) then you should look elsewhere".

 

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2 hours ago, jefito said:

This would be nice, but it's not Markdown.

 

Yeah, I realized that now but still this would be a really nice feature. It would help with my note taking a whole ton.

2 hours ago, jefito said:

Actually, that's a common-sense take on the situation. Basically, the stance is "Evernote doesn't supply it now, and while it's fine to request it, there's no guarantee that they will add it. Therefore, if it's critical to your workflow (and third-party additions like Marxico -- see https://discussion.evernote.com/topic/61145-marxico-the-missing-markdown-editor-for-evernote/ -- don't cut it) then you should look elsewhere".

 

I get your point but if everyone is pushing for it then Evernote can't stay silent on it. At least they shouldn't haha. Currently I am considering other options though for note taking. I'm still keeping Evernote for other general notes but notes for school are not working on Evernote. I need better organization, styling, and keyboard shortcuts.

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1 hour ago, Pavlik said:

Yeah, I realized that now but still this would be a really nice feature. It would help with my note taking a whole ton.

And it's been requested elsewhere, so you should use search to find that, and add your vote to it. We try to keep separate requests, well, separate.

 

1 hour ago, Pavlik said:

I get your point but if everyone is pushing for it then Evernote can't stay silent on it. At least they shouldn't haha.

Evernote staff don't often comment on feature requests; sometimes they do, and sometimes not. In this topic, it's a not. There's a lot of us, and not so many of them, so that's somewhat understandable. As it is, in the Windows client, they've taken some small steps to add Markdown-ish shortcuts for some features (bullet lists, tables, etc.), but it's far from full Markdown, and the original 'Markdown' text is not retained.

Oh, and 'everyone' is not pushing for it. To be sure, this is a pretty popular request, but it doesn't include everyone, by far.

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I tried marxi.co, but you can't edit notes already in evernote, and you can't edit in evernote a note created in marxi.co and after reedit in marxi.co

so as evernote team talked us about markdown in 2015, and as it's the top feature request, I hope they will act ?

I really need markdown or headings directly in evernote, please I use evernote for more than 9 years and don't want to change because this simple reason :(

 

 

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5 minutes ago, jefito said:

Reference for this? I found this thread: https://discussion.evernote.com/topic/89115-feature-request-what-is-markdown-and-why-evernote-needs-it/, but saw no evidence that Evernote was committing to a full-on Markdown experience.

 

hello Jefito

it's here, in an official blog post :

https://blog.evernote.com/blog/2015/09/22/the-future-of-writing-in-evernote/

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Bulleted lists and pasted content will become sharper. Image and table handling will be amazing. Basic markdown will be a reality. Beyond the fundamentals, it’ll open up new possibilities for what a note is and how you use and share it.

 

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1 hour ago, matthieu. said:

hello Jefito

it's here, in an official blog post :

Thanks. Missed (or forgot) that one. OK, from the blog post: "Basic markdown will be a reality."

Basic markdown != actual Markdown. As I said above, they've added some Markdown-ish shortcuts to the Windows client (and maybe the Mac client), but that's a long way from the real thing, and that quote doesn't promise actual Markdown. That being said, the common editor project is still a work in progress, but the work is pretty slow at present.

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14 minutes ago, jefito said:

Basic markdown != actual Markdown. As I said above, they've added some Markdown-ish shortcuts to the Windows client (and maybe the Mac client)

I didn't notice some markdown stuff in the windows client ? (I use mainly evernote on a windows computer)

the minimum should be the use of headings, without that we dont have semantic construction of the notes, it's really important in a note app

as you say, they improve all of that too slowly, and I've a problem with this because it's the core of the app, and they increase de prices, without increasing the quality :(

 

 

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7 hours ago, matthieu. said:

We saw basic markdown (lowercase m) implemented with this Mac version

Finally, many people have asked for ways to speed formatting via the keyboard and we've added this in 6.2 by allowing you to use markdown-inspired shortcuts.  We’ve posted a blog post about our new common editor and this is one of the first major new features from this team. Expect more in the coming months.  This basically means that you can type characters into your note that will automatically apply formatting or a style to the text.  Here’s the list of formatting options supported.

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    Inline Formatting
     
    *Text* = Italics
     
    **Text** = Bold
     
    ~~Text~~ = Strikethrough
     
    !!Text!! = Highlight
     
    `Text`= Code Block  

     
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    Lists and Tables
     
    Typing “1. “ will start a numbered list
     
    Typing “* “ will start a bulleted list
     
    Typing [] or [ ] will create an unchecked checkbox
     
    Typing [x] will create a checked checkbox
     
    Typing a line of at least three * or - will add a horizontal rule
     
    Typing a [][][] on it’s own line will add a table with 3 columns 
     
    Typing [][][][]x2 on it’s own line will add a table with 4 columns and 2 rows
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2 hours ago, DTLow said:

Inline Formatting

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As far as I know, these aren't in the Windows client.

2 hours ago, DTLow said:

Lists and Tables

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These are in the Windows client, all as options you can enable or disable. Tools / Options / Note / Note editing options.

 

4 hours ago, matthieu. said:

the minimum should be the use of headings, without that we dont have semantic construction of the notes, it's really important in a note app

There is no support for headings, per se, because there's no support for headings in Evernote at this time. It's a frequently requested feature (even more than Markdown, and deservedly so, in my opinion).

4 hours ago, matthieu. said:

as you say, they improve all of that too slowly, and I've a problem with this because it's the core of the app, and they increase de prices, without increasing the quality

I never said 'too slowly';  sure, there are features I'd like to see, but Evernote works well for me now, hence my stance:

On 10/7/2017 at 1:32 PM, jefito said:

"Evernote doesn't supply it now, and while it's fine to request it, there's no guarantee that they will add it. Therefore, if it's critical to your workflow (and third-party additions like Marxico -- see https://discussion.evernote.com/topic/61145-marxico-the-missing-markdown-editor-for-evernote/ -- don't cut it) then you should look elsewhere"

 

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Yea, I'm in agreement with everyone here and am yet again fed up with the Evernote team, who charges a premium price and doesn't deliver on basic features.  On the plus side I just, like 20 min ago, stumbled upon http://elephant.mine.nu/ which has markdown support, handles attachments, is cross platform and syncs via dropbox, google drive, box.com or whatever sync client you have.  At an initial review the app seems to be exactly what I wanted Evernote to be... oh and it's free.  ( ymmv )

( I'm not the developer, or even heard about this app before today, I don't gain anything from anyone using it, just trying to assist other frustrated users of Evernote like myself )

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Please add Markdown support. Not having it means I'm using other things (Multimarkdown, Ghost) for my content and notes.

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I think the bottom line here is that people want this feature. Markdown isn't just some obscure formatting anymore that only programmers/certain fields can understand and use. You can see it being used more everywhere. It's easy and convenient. People want that.

Now regardless of their promise, whether it's coming some time """soon""" or that it's just """basic""" markdown, people want this. Actual Markdown support that works like one would expect and not some watered down version of it. This is the feature request forum. Supposed Gurus saying "Find another tool then" isn't only unhelpful but rude. People want to use Evernote AND Markdown. Not a bunch of work-arounds or be forced to leave Evernote. You being contented with the system you've come up with is completely irrelevant.

They're requesting for it to happen because they want it and it's not so weird for people to express frustration about how slow Evernote is progressing with these requests (if at all) or responding if they'd do it at all. I mean it only took them 4 years to finally acknowledge the Dark Theme request and people have been very vocal about it. Who knows how long it would take if everyone just shut up and voted.

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On 2017-11-08 at 9:57 AM, Adreng said:

I think the bottom line here is that people want this feature.

I agree that some users want this feature - the current vote count is 5a053c12cecdf_ScreenShot2017-11-09at21_41_19.png.ec3f4971c762df9c7adb2dc8a295520a.png

For me, the bottom line is Evernote has not indicated an interest in implementing this feature

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I also agree that there is a need to integrate math equations in Evernote.

MarkDown would probably be the most widely used format.

I've tried to use MathType with Evernote. The results have been inconsistent. MathType saves as MarkDown, png or pdf. Instertion of pdfs is bulky in the note. I was trying to use either MarkDown (LaTeX) or png. The png option worked intermittently. I contacted MathType tech support who tried it on his system and suggested Evernote (Mac) was stripping or reducing the header information on the png so that it couldn't be re-imported to MathType for adjusting. I have had problems importing multiple png-formatted equations into a single note. It seemed to work with 1 png.

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I rely on Evernote a lot in my professional and personal life.  I am a web developer and it is great for keeping content snippets, sharing content, and collaborating.  Markdown is amazing to supplement the content that I create ( I use github a lot ).  Please, please add native markdown support.

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I'm late to the party I know...

Evernote Markdown support is the top voted feature request in this forum, with hundreds of votes over a year, and no sign of any support coming. If you read the thread, it's quite big, there is a lot of people asking for it but no responses from Evernote. There is even some comments which could be rephrased as "F*** you, it doesn't have it, go away and use something else". 

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I seriously question Evernotes customer practices when they are simply ignoring what people are asking for. I no longer pay for Evernote as I am considering my options. 

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On 18/11/2016 at 3:18 PM, DTLow said:

 

If markdown support is the most important feature for you, you should be looking at another product.
If purple highlighting is the most important feature for you, you should be looking at another product.
If .... (this list could go on and on)

In addition to whining, you can add your support to the feature requests using the voting buttons in the upper left corner of the discussion.  It will help indicate the request priorities

I'm late to the party I know...

The whole point of this area of the forum is for making feature requests, and Markdown is the highest voted feature request. I think there is simply a lot of frustration that people feel ignored by Evernote on their own platform. 

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20 hours ago, MySecretUser said:

There is even some comments which could be rephrased as "F*** you, it doesn't have it, go away and use something else". 

Or they could be rephrased as "if Evernote doesn't have all of the features that you require, then you should consider using using some other application", which is a sensible approach for many things in life, including software applications.

20 hours ago, MySecretUser said:

I seriously question Evernotes customer practices when they are simply ignoring what people are asking for.

But the fact of the matter is that they haven't ignored the request. In the Windows client, at least, they've implemented some shortcuts for Markdown-like input (let's not even get into a discussion of the fact that "deciding to not implement at this time" does not mean the same thing as "ignoring"). On the other hand, I think that a full Markdown implementation might not be as feasible as some folks think; round-tripping between Markdown and Evernote format appears to be problematic. Evernote has evidently chosen to put their development resources into other areas. This makes a certain amount of sense due to the presence of an existing Markdown/Evernote solution, the Marxico editor. Evernote focuses on what it does best (including supporting 3rd party developers), and the Marxico developer focuses they do best (Markdown editing).

20 hours ago, MySecretUser said:

I no longer pay for Evernote as I am considering my options

Everyone should always consider their options. Fortunately for you, Evernote still lets you use their service for free...

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We did switch to Laverna for most technical docs.
https://laverna.cc

It is multiplatform and it supports cloud sync and encryption.
However beware to store in the cloud your settings too.

We can not keep waiting on evernote who seems not to understand, some people need markdown for technical notes.

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Most blogs, wiki etc are written with markdown. 
It is a bit simplistic to state it is just about an exotic  feature.

Upvoting a feature request is not a guarantee at all of implementation.
Look how long we have to wait for a linux version.

Evernote does not suit our needs to write technical docs, so we move to pure markdown editors and cloud sync.
Such as Haroopad or as said,  laverna that is currently our best option we did see so far.

Oh yes, we are premium user. But not for long anymore. You serve the demands of your clients or they leave.
 

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5 hours ago, Amtriorix said:

You serve the demands of your clients or they leave.

The demand thing may work for you
My thinking is if the product/service doesn't address my requirements I look elsewhere

I also need more features than those in the Evernote editor; it seems more fitted to simple notes
My solution is to use dedicated editor apps, and attach the documents to Evernote as a note attachment

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4 hours ago, DTLow said:

My thinking is if the product/service doesn't address my requirements I look elsewhere

Sort of my thinking too.

Over the years I've learned you usually are better off working around the limitations of a program than waiting for it to change. There are some exceptions. Some companies, some products, are tremendously responsive to user requests. Dynalist and Everdo come to mind. Others, like Evernote, have a history of not being so responsive. Once you know that, that's it; you either accept it the way it is or you move on to something else. 

But it's good to try; to see if asking helps. Many people on the forum are new(er) so they don't know Evernote has a very clear product vision which they follow before going back and forth here with feature requests.

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Does evernote support code blocks (and syntax highlighting) like markdown.   When I search online it seemed to be in earlier version under Format->Code Block but I can't find it there?

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On 2018-01-24 at 3:47 AM, yunti said:

Does evernote support code blocks (and syntax highlighting) like markdown.   When I search online it seemed to be in earlier version under Format->Code Block but I can't find it there?

No, Evernote editor does not support syntax highlighting or markdown

Yes, Evernote has a code block feature  5a68f769dd7f4_ScreenShot2018-01-24at13_12_46.png.180c4da93b8977fe6b88bd5d14ed7326.png
The images are from my Mac, direct download5a68f7672a5a4_ScreenShot2018-01-24at13_13_30.png.5fcf21c2e8cf112ce1a3c657517c1963.png

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When is Evernote going to support Markdown?  I to will be looking for a new app soon if Evernote continues to drag it's feet on Markdown support.

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2 minutes ago, Mike Assel said:

When is Evernote going to support Markdown?  I to will be looking for a new app soon if Evernote continues to drag it's feet on Markdown support.

They've never said whether they'll ever support it or not. They do offer Markdown-ish shortcuts in their desktop applications, but obviously that's not the same thing. There is a third-party solution, Marxico, which may work for you. But if Markdown is a requirement for you, and Marxico doesn't cut it, then yes, you should be looking for a new tool.

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@ruudhein

I see your point, though don't fully agree. MD can be done without altering the text displayed, in a live systax highlighting way. So if you type 'hello' you see exactly that. But if you type **hello** you see  **hello**. This doesn't need a separate viewing pane, nor does it require users who don't use it to even know it exists. The structure of markup is such that a non-MD user wouldn't be having those in their text anyway.

In the end, the goal of MD for me is to have a consistent formatting. I wan to do #Heading, ##subHeading and it be consistent across each and every note. In Evernote I have to remember what the font is, font size, bold, etc. Google Drive has the predefined (but still customisable) styles, which would be another way of tackling what I was looking for. 

 

@jefito

The ignoring part refers to lack of discussion in the thread. A no we're not implementing that at this time, etc. To you rephrased point, saying that in here, would have negated my point. 

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3 hours ago, MySecretUser said:

@jefito

The ignoring part refers to lack of discussion in the thread. A no we're not implementing that at this time, etc. To you rephrased point, saying that in here, would have negated my point. 

Sure, we'd all probably like more feedback on what features are important / interesting enough for Evernote to want to implement. But it's generally not been their policy in the past to announce such things (it's on our todo list, we're not interested in that, we'll never do that, etc.) in the forums much. Hopefully that will change, but that's the way it is now. 

BTW, have you checked out the 3rd-party Marxico application, which works with Evernote?

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On 09/02/2018 at 10:06 PM, jefito said:

BTW, have you checked out the 3rd-party Marxico application, which works with Evernote?

Yes I have and it's a decent attempt but does not suit the needs. Ideally Alternote would have a Windows client, but that's not going to happen as they are Mac developers, it's continually 'on the roadmap'

The problem with Marxico is that you're outside of EN. You don't have the same flow of accessing notes, you have to rely upon search and abstracted note saving etc.

The second problem is editing inside EN. You can't do it, for Marxico to maintain control and understanding of the note, you have to edit within it. So when moving to a phone, you're screwed. For doing a quick update, change etc, you're screwed. 

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7 hours ago, MySecretUser said:

The second problem is editing inside EN. You can't do it, for Marxico to maintain control and understanding of the note, you have to edit within it. So when moving to a phone, you're screwed. For doing a quick update, change etc, you're screwed. 

This is the general problem for Evernote with respect to Markdown: Evernote can contain and display formatting (https://dev.evernote.com/doc/articles/enml.php), at least some of it Markdown cannot express. Think of web clipping, and all of the crazy formatting out there that can wind up in an Evernote note. As best I can figure, Markdown and Evernote would be an input-only proposition: once Markdown goes into Evernote, it's converted into some kind of style attribute based markup that may or may not be recognizable as Markdown-specific, so then you're stuck editing in the general Evernote editor anyways (note: I don't know what Marxico does, as I'm not a Marxico users, so the preceding is a little theoretical). Maybe they could add some sort of id attribute based system for dealing with semantic styles, including predefined or user-defined styles, since a lot of people want those (I do too).  But I don't know; it all sounds kind of clunky to me. 

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Definitely +1 this - it's astonishing that a feature-rich app like Evernote doesn't support a writing tool as ubiquitous as Markdown. I am actively researching alternatives just for this single feature. If I were an Evernote PM I would take note (no pun intended)...

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On 12/02/2018 at 5:33 PM, jefito said:

As best I can figure, Markdown and Evernote would be an input-only proposition: once Markdown goes into Evernote, it's converted into some kind of style attribute based markup that may or may not be recognizable as Markdown-specific, so then you're stuck editing in the general Evernote editor anyways 

Hi,

Markdown notes could be a different type of notes, stuck in the MD format. And then you could transform it in a general note, without beeing able to edit it in MD anymore.

Just an idea.

Alex

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57 minutes ago, Calexo said:

And then you could transform it in a general note, without beeing able to edit it in MD anymore.

I'm more in favour of translating MD when entered.

I wouldn't want the "without being able to edit it in MD anymore".  I can manage with not maintaining the MD format

If I wanted to maintain the MD format, I'd be using a separate document as an attachment to a note.

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On 16/02/2018 at 12:53 PM, DTLow said:

I'm more in favour of translating MD when entered.

I wouldn't want the "without being able to edit it in MD anymore".  I can manage with not maintaining the MD format

If I wanted to maintain the MD format, I'd be using a separate document as an attachment to a note.

I would be very happy with that too. Just something more complete rather than just bullets. 

All we need next is titles, a way for consistent titles, that's all I want. 

  • Bullets we have (* ),
  • Numbers we have (1. )
  • Bold we have (Ctrl+B),
  • Italics we have (Ctrl+I),
  • Links we have (paste),
  • Checkbox we have ([x]),
  • Rule we have (---),
  • Table we have ([][][]x2).

But nothing for titles (We could use #, ##, etc, or Ctrl+1, Ctrl+2, etc). Titles are an essential piece in structure, I'm really fathomed at why that's been left out 

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7 hours ago, MySecretUser said:

I would be very happy with that too. Just something more complete rather than just bullets. 

All we need next is titles, a way for consistent titles, that's all I want. 

If Evernote implement MD support, we would have titles,

Please indicate your support for this request using the voting buttons in the top left corner of the discussion.  This request has 12 votes

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On 09/06/2016 at 12:07 PM, marcthiele said:

Next to HTML and the Evernote XML format

How you edit these two in an easy way in Evernote? 

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Try Dropbox Paper:

- it is cross-platform (looking at you, Bear)

- supports Markdown with code highlighting in most languages

- has full-text search for your documents (both titles and contents are indexed)

- documents are easy to share and collaborate on

- you can cross-reference documents in a simple way

- the aesthetics aren't much worse than Bear 

To be fair, the way Markdown works in Paper isn't quite perfect (you can tell it is a second-class citizen here), but it's the next best thing after using your favorite code editor.

 

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Chiming in to say that the only way I'll keep using Evernote, and keep paying for Pro, is if they add Markdown support. I'm currently using both EN and Bear, and the fact that I can't even import Markdown notes into Evernote without some complicated third party hack is just madness. 

So Evernote, if you are listening, don't let yourselves slip into obsolescence because you don't like Markdown, or it's too much work to integrate. If you want to stamp apps like Bear in their tracks, Markdown is your answer.

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17 minutes ago, ideal cheese said:

So Evernote, if you are listening, don't let yourselves slip into obsolescence because you don't like Markdown, or it's too much work to integrate. If you want to stamp apps like Bear in their tracks, Markdown is your answer.

I doubt that Evernote is looking to "stamp Bear in its tracks". Their stance seems to be "Hey, this is what Evernote is. We think it's cool and can help you keep digital information organized, and available across your devices." But since you brought it up, it's of note that Bear is only available for Apple devices, and not even for the web (yet), so they have a long way to go before they get to parity with Evernote on the availability front. If you're an all-Apple user, then it looks like it might be a good tool, but for the rest of us, it's as good as non-existent as an alternative to Evernote.

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23 minutes ago, jefito said:

I doubt that Evernote is looking to "stamp Bear in its tracks". 

To be fair, I said "apps like Bear." I know that Bear is a newcomer but there are a lot of apps out there that use Markdown. If you read reviews for them, you'll find a lot of former Evernote users who gave up on EN as a writing/note-taking tool.

Now that I think of it, I wish Evernote had reserved all the team collaboration and other businessy features for a special Pro subscription. The beauty of Evernote is all of the things it can do, but that's also the problem with Evernote. Feature overload. Sadly, though, it seems they have chosen to do the opposite—focus on team and business features like Spaces. Failure to add Markdown support after years of hemming and hawing sends the message that they don't care about individuals anymore. So does their website, which puts all the emphasis on business features.

I think I just talked myself out of even bothering with EN anymore. Honestly the only feature I can't find elsewhere is the ability to search handwritten text within jpegs. Maybe I can live without that.

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2 hours ago, ideal cheese said:

to be fair, I said "apps like Bear"   ...  gave up on EN as a writing/note-taking tool...

As in apps with extended editing features.
I'm not using Evernote because of it's value as an editor.
The editor is fine for basic notes, but there are plenty of established dedicated apps that do a better job.
I've always been a word/pages user for word processing, excel/numbers for spreadsheets, text editors for coding, ...
In Evernote, these documents are stored as one of the note attachments.

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1 hour ago, ideal cheese said:

To be fair, I said "apps like Bear."

Indeed. Fair enough, and apologies for the misquote.

1 hour ago, ideal cheese said:

If you read reviews for them, you'll find a lot of former Evernote users who gave up on EN as a writing/note-taking tool.

That's fine -- my take is that they're in a different segment of the market than Evernote. When there's a lot of tools out there, people tend to try a lot of them, and some tools work better for some people than other tools. I use Evernote as an information gathering tool much more than a note-taking tool: web clips, documents, weekly work journals (via templates), and yes, some note-taking, all organized using tags. I can rough out an outline easily enough in Evernote, but if I need to expand it to a nicely-formatted document, then it easily transforms into a Word document. Horses for courses. 

1 hour ago, ideal cheese said:

The beauty of Evernote is all of the things it can do, but that's also the problem with Evernote. Feature overload.

?? Bit of a paradox there; your desirable feature that I don't want is feature overload for me, and vice-versa. I'm actually looking forward to seeing Spaces in the personal edition, because I can see a use case for it in my work life without needing to use the Business edition. Flip side: Markdown means zero to me, so it would just be extraneous functionality in my case.

1 hour ago, ideal cheese said:

Sadly, though, it seems they have chosen to do the opposite—focus on team and business features like Spaces. Failure to add Markdown support after years of hemming and hawing sends the message that they don't care about individuals anymore.

There's plenty of overlap between the two editions, and Spaces will live in that overlap, if they deliver it there as they've hinted. But they never promised to deliver Markdown anywhere that I've ever seen (but I'd welcome a reference if one exists), and I don't see how not adding it means that they don't care about individuals. It's just apparently not a feature that's high priority for them, either for the personal or the business case. It really can be just that simple.

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**Please priority to put Markdown feature into Evernote**
**I subscribe it annually for a long time, please don't force us change to others.**

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I would like to use Evernote to store blog posts prior to publishing them.  I have all the rest of my data in Evernote, so I'd rather not have yet another place I store the data.

The problem is, I can't just use pre-formatted options like "H1, H2, etc" and all the HTML is included if I copy paste, overriding my styles.

I'd like a way to at a minimum flag a note as "Plain-text" where no formatting is applied or available and better yet would be support for Markdown...even with plaintext only I could use markdown.

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46 minutes ago, Zetta said:

I'd like a way to at a minimum flag a note as "Plain-text" where no formatting is applied or available and better yet would be support for Markdown...even with plaintext only I could use markdown.

A note can contain files of any format.  The default is Evernote's enml format.

You might consider which format best supports the features you need.

For example, I use text files to store software code.

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There is an option to make an note Plain Text, however - it has to be set per note:

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22 hours ago, ssxtrix said:

it takes 30 min to export, but where are you going to import them? are they going to be kept with the same format with the attachments? what about annotations? don't act coy please.

5ae493cb1abea_ScreenShot2018-04-28at08_30_59.png.15a3564b3fe8c76fdbd1fe06b665ebbc.pngI use the html export feature (Mac/Win) for my backups; each note is exported to a separate .html file;
- basically the same format that Evernote uses
- can be opened by any web browser app
Attachments are exported to a corresponding .resources folder.

 

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12 minutes ago, DTLow said:

I'm not in to "Boohoo, Evernote's so bad" posts.  I'm more interested in posts on how to make this product work better for me.

The majority of people asking for this feature aren’t saying Evernote is bad. They like Evernote and would like it even more if it supported this feature. That’s the point of feature requests. 

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3 minutes ago, DTLow said:

To indicate your support for feature requests, use the voting buttons in the top left corner of the discussion.

we do it, but despite the numbers, no one apparently cares. and has not cared for years! (e.g. line spacing)

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6 hours ago, DTLow said:

To indicate your support for feature requests, use the voting buttons in the top left corner of the discussion.

Yep, did that last year. Guess which feature request has the most votes?

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11 minutes ago, Mike Assel said:

Guess which feature request has the most votes?

We can view the requests sorted by votes5ae4f1d4bd926_ScreenShot2018-04-28at15_10_50.png.4eed6f0ce5ebca6878681953c1057e4b.png

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On 3/18/2018 at 3:28 AM, adiachenko said:

Try Dropbox Paper:

 

They dont have webclipper and a native mac app :( 

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So, what's it going to take for the Evernote decision-making committee to realize this is a serious request? I've stopped using Evernote entirely because of the lack of this ONE incredibly easy to implement feature.

At minimum give us a plain text editor where I can avoid the frustration of having my markdown formatting ruined. 

Having the most highly requested (and easy to implement) feature go this long without being addressed is a continual message saying, "We're not listening, and we don't care."

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2 hours ago, dustinstout said:

At minimum give us a plain text editor where I can avoid the frustration of having my markdown formatting ruined. 

The Evernote note editor/format is enml (html fork).  It's also not a useful format for my programming code files.

However we can use any external editor and store the files  in a note (attachment).
For plain text files, I use editor Textastic (Mac/iPad).  Sorry, it doesn't support MD, but I know there's alternative MD editors.

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4 minutes ago, jefito said:

Best guess that I have for its absence is that round-tripping markdown <--> ENML is not trivial. As far as I know, Marxico can't do it either. 

That's a rational decision in my book, since Markdown is important to you. for many others of us, it just isn't what we come to use Evernote for. 

Cheers.

My wasn't either. Though with time my notes become more verbose and Evernote just don't fit anymore.

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20 minutes ago, jefito said:

Best guess that I have for its absence is that round-tripping markdown <--> ENML is not trivial. As far as I know, Marxico can't do it either. 

Well, perhaps indeed not and you can't convert all users' notes to markdown as it won't make all people happy. Especially if part of their notes become unreadable due to some conversion incompatibilities/issues. Only thing that comes to my mind is to define note's format along with each new note... or per user. Some other issues may arise like search engine would have to interpret ENML as well as markdown but this still seems solvable.

Perhaps the only or most important reason is that it's too much work/trouble and not much gain in functionality (as they see it).

So long story short... markdown utilising customers aren't their target users. They won't tell you to "get lost" of course because it's against their interest. That's why they keep this topic so silent (was there any feedback their side so far?).

It's of course most wanted feature but perhaps still a marginal one. A little over 500 votes is nothing concerning their users numbers. So... they're trapped with this feature request as well as we are in hoping they would do it.

So I say "migrate" ;)

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8 hours ago, jefito said:

Best guess that I have for its absence is that round-tripping markdown <--> ENML is not trivial. As far as I know, Marxico can't do it either. 

That's a rational decision in my book, since Markdown is important to you. for many others of us, it just isn't what we come to use Evernote for. 

Cheers.

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You are right, perhaps for most other users Markdown isn't important and Evernote is just not designed to cater to our niche (Markdown, syntax highlighting, formatting) and for us, it is time to stop hoping and waiting but to leave for good.

I have been with Evernote since the beginning, the very first beta, bought tons of stuff from the old lifestyle store. Got their stickers everywhere on my desk, laptop, fridge....

I would say having to leave Evernote is an emotional one because it is truely a great product.

 

 

 

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19 hours ago, coff said:

So my decision (as DTLow also suggested)...

I'm not sure of the reference; my focus is on using the editor/format that best meets my requirements.  I continue to use Evernote for my filing/storage.

I'm ok with using the Evernote editor for basic notes.  I switch to a word-processing or spreadsheet app for extended features.

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I also would love to have markdown here, but it seems that's not going to happen, so I won't stop using it until I found something more suitable but I will stop paying for the premium membership.

Anyone know any similar software that allow to keep notes in the cloud, share tools and accept markdown?

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15 hours ago, rmassar said:

Anyone know any similar software that allow to keep notes in the cloud, share tools and accept markdown?

What devices do you use; There are plenty of Markdown editors available.

For the "cloud, share tools", I use Evernote along with the editor that provides the required features.

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9 hours ago, notsofast said:

One of the attractive qualities of Evernote is its one-stop-shopping, everything-under-one-roof nature ...one of Evernote's primary tasks is formatting text.

I think you're misinformed about Evernote.  
For me, it's not "one-stop-shopping, everything-under-one-roof" ... primary tasks is formatting text.

Evernote does come with a free editor that's fine for basic notes; the underlying format is enml, an html fork.

>>Invoking external apps to accomplish specialized tasks is a sensible and necessary division of labor

External apps is my solution for implementing markup editing (mostly html); I use the Textastic app (supports Markdown)

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4 minutes ago, DTLow said:

I think you're misinformed about Evernote.

Am I?  It lets you gather many disparate forms of information from a variety of sources so they can be organized, annotated, and searched in a unified manner.  It provides the same capabilities across multiple different platforms.  Users perform many different tasks in Evernote.

I believe versatility is one of Evernote's goals.  I believe another is efficiency.  I think Markdown addresses both of those goals, and would be an extremely effective input and formatting method for a certain class of users.

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2 hours ago, notsofast said:

It lets you gather many disparate forms of information from a variety of sources so they can be organized,...

I agree with "gather many disparate forms of information from a variety of sources"

Notes can contain files of any format; pdf, image, office/iwork, ... including Markdown files

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On 7/10/2018 at 3:43 PM, notsofast said:

I believe versatility is one of Evernote's goals.  I believe another is efficiency.  I think Markdown addresses both of those goals, and would be an extremely effective input and formatting method for a certain class of users.

I think that the crux is this: Evernote stores its notes in ENML, a superset of XHTML (see https://dev.evernote.com/doc/articles/enml.php). Providing a way to input Markdown source into Evernote is pretty straightforward at best guess; it's what Marxico does. But being able to pull Evernote ENML back into Mardown, so that you can round-trip between the two is a lot harder. And unsurprisingly, Marxico doesn't do this, at last check: from the Marxico page (https://marxi.co/) : "Currently Marxico is unable to detect and merge any modifications in Evernote by user. Please go back to Marxico to edit". 

So versatility is a fine goal, but I'd guess that cost of implementation dominates the calculation as to whether this gets done by Evernote or not.

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54 minutes ago, jefito said:

being able to pull Evernote ENML back into Mar[k]down, so that you can round-trip between the two is a lot harder.

I understand and accept that.  There are formatting things you can do in Evernote that can't be captured in Markdown, so those things would get lost when going back to Markdown.

I think I would be pretty happy even without true round-trip editing.  I just find the Markdown style of input to be efficient.  So I have been delighted to discover some Markdown shortcuts that already work in the Evernote editor (7.2 on Mac):

  • Typing "- <space>" or "* <space>" starts a bullet list
  • Typing "1. <space>" starts a numbered list
  • Typing "```<return>" creates a code block
  • Typing "- - - <space>" (three dashes followed by a space) creates a horizontal rule

If a few more Markdown-y things were added, I think I would be satisfied:

  • "#", "##", ... header styling
  • Syntax coloring in code blocks
  • Inline code formatting with ` ... ` (text between two backquotes)
  • Don't convert "- -" (two consecutive dashes) to a single en-dash in a code block
  • "> " to start a block quote
  • Paste Markdown text into Evernote and have it be formatted following the Markdown rules

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I finally found something that could partially help to solve the situation that there's no native support of markdown in Evernote. I personally love the UI and convenience for note-taking in Evernote, and have tried several other Markdown editors. However, I'm still waiting for evernote to publish their version of support of markdown.

Surprisingly, I finally find something online that could solve this situation. A software called Marxico, yes, it spells so much like Mexico, can be used to generate and view markdown code, and it can transfer the generated file as read-only mode or editable to Evernote. First of all, I'm not part of development team or any relationship to Marxico, I'm only a graduate student in US. So, I'm still trying this software, but it looks pretty nice so far. Although it's not recommended to transfer the editable file to evernote, I haven't found any bug yet; after all, you could write md code and edit it in Marxico and sync to evernote.

However, the only problem, well as a student, is the cost. Yes, it cost extra money for the software. But, I think the price is reasonable. I downloaded it today and check the price is around $16 for a year. Well, although I personally do not want to pay any penny on commercial software if other open source alternative is available, the features of Marxico is astonishing and filling the 'last' piece of Evernote.

If anyone have any other alternative component of evernote that provides capability of Markdown, I'm still open to suggestion.

 

e.g., I also like Bear for markdown, but as an engineering students, whose notes containing full of formulas, I don't know why bear does not even have the capability to write formulas!!!!

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Before another premium level renewal or seeking another tool - I ask the community or the fine Evernote developers; "What is the state of the union on native Markdown support?" I'm testing several other tools including Bootsnote, Laverna and trying to get a workflow for using Sublime markdown (i love) but nothing is as convenient as Evernote on all my devices and this seems so logical considering all the other sharing and collab features I don't use that are wasted on Evernote trying to become a Slack.

 

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5 hours ago, Dave333 said:

What is the state of the union on native Markdown support?

The "state" has never changed

  • Evernote was Implemented with an enml/html format and has not indicated an interest in switching.
  • Notes can contain files of any format, including Markdown; an external editor is required.

Evernote has been experimenting with basic markup options in editing text.  This is a one way implementation and the code is converted to enml.

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On 7/13/2018 at 11:44 AM, DTLow said:

The "state" has never changed

  • Evernote was Implemented with an enml/html format and has not indicated an interest in switching.
  • Notes can contain files of any format, including Markdown; an external editor is required.

Evernote has been experimenting with basic markup options in editing text.  This is a one way implementation and the code is converted to enml.

Maybe I've missed something of value, is there any documentation anyone is aware of I could review?  I'm committed to getting some consistent formatting in my notes and would love to do text expand regions to fold in lots of deeper heirarchy reference notes while keeping top level outline visible.

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13 hours ago, Dave333 said:

Maybe I've missed something of value, is there any documentation anyone is aware of I could review?  I'm committed to getting some consistent formatting in my notes and would love to do text expand regions to fold in lots of deeper heirarchy reference notes while keeping top level outline visible.

It seems your interest is beyond the Markdown feature request; you might want to create a new discussion

There's documentation at The Evernote Help Center

For consistent formatting, I use templates.
I'm also concerned with consistent tag assignment; I use scripting on my Mac.

The Evernote editor/format doesn't support text expand outlines.
Notes are independent entities, but can be cross referenced using links and notebook/tags.
You also have the option of using a word processing editor that supports these features.

 

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On 11/22/2016 at 5:35 AM, Hoteit said:

Markdown support would be amazing. This makes Evernote a perfect companion to our development / coding environment.

I kinda hate to do this kind of referring to other products but "Boostnote" does the work.

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Definitely would love to see support for MarkDown...especially for my team and communication purposes.

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Evernote is awesome but I really miss the Markdown support especially when there is a new kid on the block right now.

https://www.notion.so looks promising and has Markdown support but still there are some killer features in Evernote. But be aware of other parties because they have some killer features too like Markdown. Will try Notion but would love to stay at Evernote because I am using it almost from the beginning and always loved it. That one feature that makes text editing so much easier inside Evernote and I think I don't need anything else then Evernote ??

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Chinese version "YinXiangBiJi" is going to test native markdown support on Mac at the end of this August. Very curious what Evernote team will do.

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Hi guys,

I think you can give EverTool a try. EverTool is a Markdown supported and text style manager for Evernote.

It's an isolated app, so you can keep the original usage of Evernote but with beautiful text style features.

Main features:

  • All in one customized text style management
  • ## Markdown syntax supported
  • Beautiful code highlight
  • Resize images to the same width
  • Multi highlight colors, and fancy banner style
  • Shortcut supported

 

If you want to give it a try, reference homepage to know more ?https://evertool.app

Any feedback and suggestion is welcome ?

 

Here is another discussion in integration board: 

 

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