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The ability to use markdown native in the App.

I feel on the biggest missing features is native support for Markdown. Please add native Markdown to Evernote.

Yeah, I'm reaching the point where I might abandon Evernote in favor of something that DOES support markdown.

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Yesterday I was using my wife's computer and I happened to start using the Evernote Web Editor to jot down a couple of things. For a number of reasons, I have grown accustomed to write my notes using Markdown syntax... and I do that quite consistently in Evernote for Windows and a number of other writing tools.
 
As soon as I started writing, I had to stop and start testing.
 
Because it seems to me that Evernote developers, QA team, and possibly users that have been clamoring for Markdown support have completely misunderstood the purpose and the usefulness of Markdown syntax.
 
Note the emphasis on Markdown syntax.
 
Markdown is, first and foremost, a plain text formatting syntax. Refer to John Gruber's notes in his introduction to Markdown. Writing using Markdown syntax is NOT (and SHOULD NOT be) writing using a WYSIWYG editor.
 
Imagine my surprise when I used the symbol / syntax for Heading 1 (#) and saw the immediate transformation into a formatted "Large Header" (Evernote Web Editor terminology). Fine, I said to myself, I just have to "undo" twice to restore my Heading 1 (#) symbol and continue (bit of a nuisance, if you ask me). See here https://i.imgur.com/jzaRij1.gif.
 
And then, imagine my dismay when I realized that Markdown syntax instructions and/or actual RTF / HTML formatting are completely lost if I simply copy and paste into other text editing applications. See here https://i.imgur.com/rJJBYrS.gif
 
I won't elaborate further - other than to mention I notice how the actual Markdown implementation and/or support is partial, minimal... and incorrect in many cases...
 
The whole point of my post is: this Markdown implementation defeats the entire purpose of the markup language -- portability and platform independence come to mind.
 
I submit that the Editor (which I believe will be replicated into the desktop / mobile apps) should at least provide users with an option to enable / disable this supposed Markdown support.
 
And please, let's refrain from the usual chorus... using another editor to write using Markdown syntax and then store that document in Evernote... again defeats the whole idea of Markdown and - quite frankly - sounds a bit silly.
 
Ideas? Observations? Comments?
 
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I use Bear for most of my note taking, so I do appreciate the usefulness of Markdown. But keep in mind..

You are using beta software, and we don't know the intent - maybe this is the first pass at implementing full Markdown, or maybe this was added so people who are familiar with Markdown could edit faster and it wouldn't bother those who don't care about Markdown. 

I'm not convinced it makes sense at this point to add full Markdown to Evernote. It is a pretty geeky thing, and I would guess most Evernote users couldn't care less about Markdown. Plus as I understand it, the goal of the first iteration of the "new" Evernote is to match the current implementation, not to add new features. Markdown would be a new feature. Just implementing a bug free editor seems like a good enough goal for starters.

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1 hour ago, OldManGeorge said:

this Markdown implementation defeats the entire purpose of the markup language -- portability and platform independence come to mind

I merged your post with the ongoing Markdown discussion

This is not a Markdown implementation
This is a shortcut for heading styles when editing note contents

I can confirm this shortcut syntax is not preserved when the coding is converted to enml/html

>>I submit that the Editor (which I believe will be replicated into the desktop / mobile apps) should at least provide users with an option to enable / disable this supposed Markdown support.

Like this (screenshot from my Mac)1909440962_ScreenShot2020-07-27at10_50_29AM.png.22d0ce241631c1630017591d93abd24a.png

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

>>I have grown accustomed to write my notes using Markdown syntax... and I do that quite consistently in Evernote for Windows

Can you provide more details on how you're using Markdown syntax in Evernote for Windows

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1 minute ago, DTLow said:

<<Can you provide more details on how you're using Markdown syntax in Evernote for Windows>>

Markdown syntax in Evernote or Windows Notepad or any other editor...well... it does not make a difference !  When I need to write using Markdown, this is how I normally compose text in Evernote for Windows... (I just use a different font here, for clarity)...

# This is Heading 1

## This is Heading 2

### This is Heading 3

* This is a bullet

- This is also a bullet

+ This is *another bullet in bold type*

etc.

What makes a difference is how Markdown is then rendered (translated into HTML and formatted via style sheets - CSS).

The whole point is the separation between content and presentation. I (and many developers / authors) write using Markdown syntax because we write content with basic formatting instructions (the task of rendering that content may or may not be my responsibility).

For example, the simple characters "# " have a specific meaning which is... "render the following words using the style defined for Heading 1". So the editor cannot and must not assume the responsibility of "translating" and formatting the text into a very specific typeface... 

If we interpret Markdown as an actual formatting instruction (refer to my original post)... then... what is the point? Might as well support shortcut keys for basic formatting - just as in Microsoft Word you'd use CTRL+ALT+1 to apply the Heading 1 format (which is defined as a Style). Wouldn't that be much easier and more user friendly?

That is why I am monumentally confused by the idea of (and initial implementation of) Markdown support in Evernote...

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16 minutes ago, OldManGeorge said:

The whole point is the separation between content and presentation.

Thanks for the details (typing markdown code in Evernote notes)

Presentation is important to me - do you follow through with rendering your code?
I like the UI in the Typora app which presents both the code and presentation in one panel

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53 minutes ago, DTLow said:

Presentation is important to me - do you follow through with rendering your code?

DTLow:

The answer is - as expected - "it depends"..

  • In many cases I do not even need to follow up with presentation. Take, for example, notes for my own consumption that one day, somehow, maybe they will see some sort of publication... 
  • In most cases, I do not need to follow up because I deliver the plain text Markdown to colleagues... which will transform into HTML via preferred libraries and present / publish using corporate CSS or ad-hoc CSS
  • In rare cases, if I need to quickly share something with a third party... I copy and paste into Visual Studio Code, render using the built-in renderer, and export to PDF. This is the case where Markdown Support and a built-in renderer would be nice to have in Evernote (but then again... is the implementation effort worth it...?)

Incidentally, I like Typora (for Windows, as you can guess). I have tested it and found it quite attractive and powerful. On the other hand, for my business & personal use... I fall back onto Visual Studio Code - which I use all day every day... 

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so when will Evernote release markdown feature and dark mode for Web and Windows...

I've subscribed Evernote for years

if the Evernote keep ignoring these, i am considering moving my things to other services seriously

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17 minutes ago, caiohamamura said:

It looks like people are giving up on Evernote in favor of Bear, Notion and other which natively support markdown.

For sure, if you need a markdown editor the Evernote editor is the wrong tool
I use the Typora editor/viewer app

I use the Evernote service to store my notes/documents, including the .md files

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On 2/11/2017 at 1:46 AM, Matt Corr said:

I use Dropbox Paper. Its search is very quick, its nice and minimalistic and great Markdown support :)

I know this is an post, but THANK YOU for pointing me to Dropbox Paper. It does BEAUTIFUL inline code formatting as well as code blocks with line numbers. This is going to make my technical notes so much better. Goodbye, Evernote.

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What is it about Markdown that is so intimidating to implement?  Why are the requests of multiple veteran Evernote users going unanswered?

This is really the most basic feature of any modern note-taking utility.  I love Evernote, its vision, its history.  Ive been using it for 16 years.  Gasp!!!!

This head-in-the-sand response is not the Sapiens survival instinct at its most powerful.

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I‘m sure without any doubt that there will be a quite good if not very good inline markdown support in the final next desktop or mac version.

just look at the actual web-ui which dynamically shows the development and the actual status of the most probably future editor. There you have inline markup formatting for headings, ordered and unordered list, text formatting, fast inserting of tables, hyperlinks and code blocks. Most of this rather similar to the above mentioned (very good an simple) editor of DropBox Paper.

The so far only bigger advantages of the DropBox Paper editor IMHO are - non markup-specific - the distraction free look, the possibility to  change paragraph order via keeboard shortcuts and the native and very good syntax highlighing in code blocks.

That surely are good arguments to use DropBox paper additionally as a mobile and on different platforms working solution for writing and developing new texts an drafts. But for me this is no reason to move away from Evernote as my most central clipping, remembering, storing and knowledge-management-tool.

(and by the way highlighting text in different colours allready works better in the new evernote web ui...)

 

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18 minutes ago, HeBoIz said:

I‘m sure without any doubt that there will be a quite good if not very good inline markdown support in the final next desktop or mac version.

The only markdown I've seen is # coding for heading styles   
Be aware the markdown coding is not maintained; it's converted to html syntax

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8 minutes ago, DTLow said:

The only thing I've seen is # coding for heading styles   
Also, be aware the markdown coding is not maintained; it's converted to html coding

Yeah sure, markdown coding is converted to html coding. But I think the main reason for most of these everlasting markdown diskussions may be the needs for fast formatting html via markup-codes and shortcuts, especially with headings.

and you are right, fast table inserting supply like [][][]x3 for inserting a table with 3 columns and 3 rows is just a shortcut code and no markdown... (For me this just felt like markdown ;)

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PLEASE ADD MARKDOWN!

I've been a user for years. Currently a premium subscriber as well.

I flirt with switching away from Evernote regularly but I've been unable to find an app that does what Evernote does. If markdown (or any type of text styling shortcut/formatting) was added I would really have no reason to think about switching for the foreseeable future.

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Extended formatting options were now introduced with EN for iOS 10. This is the first release client that has the features that will probably be rolled out to the other clients as well.

The release still has bugs, but the formatting is there to stay. It is not full markdown, but allows for real nice layouts. 3 header levels, a new checklist feature, color selection for the text marker and more.

Header style selection:

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Change format of header style:

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There are new editing features now in EN iOS 10, 3 levels of headers for example. They are not created by markdown keys, but probably they work in a similar fashion. 

Because markdown is not narrowly defined, anybody with the new iOS client may give it a try, and check whether we got at least one step closer to some markdown capability. I have voted for it quite a while ago.

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On 10/3/2020 at 7:11 PM, Yanesh Tyagi said:

It's almost the end of 2020. I see that this thread is going on since years. Does the Evernote team has any plan to support markdown?

There's no indication of Evernote planning to support Markdown natively   
The base format is enml (basically html)

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6 minutes ago, Christopher Zenner said:

There are a number of other note-taking apps out there that perform equally as good—if not better than—Evernote

And some of them have support for Markdown

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The cartoon above is funny, but doesn't make sense to me. Do you suggest that we as users should pay Evernote now to support the development for Markdown in future? I could consider, say, pay for a Kickstarter-like project that directly go to Markdown development and then get premium when it's delivered or get my money back if it doesn't happen. But I'm not going to pay for an incomplete product (to me and many other users markdown is a must-have) that doesn't meet my basic needs.

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8 minutes ago, DanielZhou said:

The cartoon above is funny, but doesn't make sense to me.

It's intended to be funny and not in an ugly way.  ;)

It is a reaction to the number of times "... if only EN had putyourwishhere I would subscribe... " has appeared in these forum pages.  No more, no less.

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20 minutes ago, Barabasz said:

we have "beautiful" version 10

I'm still using the legacy product
Why do you consider the Version 10 product "beautiful"?

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5 minutes ago, DTLow said:

Why do you consider the Version 10 product "beautiful"

One might say that it is actually beautiful :) (and objectively speaking, it probably is -  it is certainly more consistent across platforms).  But I putted this adjective in quotes due to horrible bugs. I was forced to use legacy version as well (especially on Windows due to keyboard shortcut bug). 

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8 minutes ago, thicks said:

Is there a way to just like every post in this thread?

The feature request is posted at the top
To indicate support, use the vote button at the top left corner of the discussion

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Excellent, Thank you @Jon/t!!!

Unfortunately, I need a direct download (v7) because "Code Blocks" are not available in the mac app store version (v10)....another issue. Are code blocks back in the app store download? I can't download and test without killing my direct download version

 

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On 11/2/2020 at 8:28 AM, DanielZhou said:

I really liked the new redesign. Markdown support is the only thing missing. I'd happily upgrade to a paid user again once this feature is in.

Same here. I migrated to Bear for the markdown support and cancelled my Evernote subscription. Evernote has a ton of useful features, but I feel like I'm fighting the editor when writing notes. Markdown just flows onto the page and I don't need to take my hands off of the keyboard to format the text to create headers, lists, or links. 

What I'm saying that the lack of markdown is important enough to make me leave Evernote, and the features that I lost by leaving are enough to make me return to Evernote if markdown support is added.

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1 hour ago, face said:

My gut feel is that the omission is intentional to make it more difficult to leave Evernote

It's true, Evernote's base format is enml (basically html)   
not markdown

How does this make it more difficult to leave Evernote?

 

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Here's a simple idea: Similar to "Insert Table" or "Insert Code Block", just give us a "Insert Markdown Block". We can then just write down whatever in the Markdown Block without affecting other part of the note. This seems a simple thing to implement, since it's not coupled with other part of the system. Can EN just deliver this simple feature that's been requested by so many users for so many years?

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Not doing things usually does not need a decision.

A decision is needed to do things ...

You will probably not get an answer to both questions here - this forum is user driven.

By the way, there is a hint of markdown in the v10 apps: Type # followed by a space, and the text will show as header 1, type ## plus space for a header 2, ### for header 3 format.

Here is some more:

https://help.evernote.com/hc/en-us/articles/360001758468-Use-auto-formatting

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38 minutes ago, PinkElephant said:

A decision is needed to do things ...

And in what way your comment is going to help us Mr. Obvious?...

38 minutes ago, PinkElephant said:

there is a hint of markdown in the v10 apps

You have no idea what Markdown is, do you?

 

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