Android app popup "This version of the app is outdated. You need to install the latest version to keep using Evernote. Update now"

[Ralph77 44]

After reading the overwhelming number of complaints both here and on Google Play about the new Android app (okay, now not so new anymore), I've steadfastly refused to update my app from v8.13.3, which I determined to be the last version that actually worked reliably 100% of the time, and without any bugs (well, just one very minor bug that I know of).

A few weeks ago while using the app I was invited via a popup to provide feedback as to why I was still using an old version of the app. I basically replied the same as I have just written above.

Well whaddaya know, this morning when I went to use the app I was greeted by a red bar at the top of the app saying "This version of the app is outdated. You need to install the latest version to keep using Evernote. Update now"

Firstly I think it's appalling to ask me for my feedback and then totally disregard it, but more so to force an update that is, for very good reason, not wanted.

For the time being the app is still functioning. But if it stops functioning, can anyone suggest a workaround to keep v8.13.3 working? The reviews on Google Play tend to suggest very strongly that one would need to be certifiably mad to use the latest version!

[Dave-in-Decatur 3,970]

What version of Android do you have on your phone? I'm actually surprised you've been able to keep v. 8 going this long on any recent version of Android.

It's not likely to be possible to hang on to v. 8 indefinitely. In May Evernote updated the sync structure for faster and more reliable sync. Problems at first, now working well. I don't know how well the older Android app interacts with this updated structure, which is part of my surprise that you've kept it going.

Someone may be able to suggest the workaround you want. Meanwhile, can you share some specifics of what you don't want in v. 10, specific issues with it that you've experienced or read about? It's been steadily updated in recent months and weeks, and it may be that some issues you're concerned about have been resolved. And it may not, which is why I ask.

[Ralph77 44]

Hi Dave, I'm using the latest version of Android 13 on a Samsung Galaxy Note20 Ultra 5G (Samsung One UI version 5.1). I've had this phone for over two years now.

I have experienced no sync issues at all, not back in May or previously, and not since.

A lot of the complaints on Google Play about the latest version 10 concern notes disappearing (eg. spent an hour creating a note, only to find that everything was lost as it didn't save); syncs taking an inordinately long time; app won't start at all; lack of support response even for Premium customers (of which I am one); and a LOT of complaints about how slow the app is. I have none of those issues!

I admit I have not tried the new app - after all, why would I want to, when v8 works so perfectly?

If it stops working then I guess I'll be forced to, which I think is wholly unreasonable.

The sort of workaround I'd be thinking of might be a patched version of the app, for example. But obviously it would need to be patched by a trustworthy developer. 

[Boot17 1,463]

If I may suggest, it's not too unreasonable for a developer to stop maintaining old software that is no longer financially viable to them. It's also not unreasonable for customers to leave because they find the new software doesn't suit their needs or wants. 

I've read in other threads that the older/legacy software is now starting to hinder (or has been for a while) the development and stability of Evernote going forward. There are most likely still many remaining on that older/legacy software, so cutting it off altogether is a cautious game that Bending Spoons is playing. It's going to be a tough time for many when that day finally comes.

[Dave-in-Decatur 3,970]

Glad to hear it's been working for you on Android 13, though I don't understand how. (One  of many things....) You might take a look at this thread on the rollout of the current version, 10.53.2: https://discussion.evernote.com/forums/topic/147192-rolling-out-evernote-mobile-1053/. It could address some of your concerns. I haven't looked at the Google Play reviews. I do know that I like to carefully check the date on reviews there, to judge whether they apply to the current version of whatever app is concerned. All I can say is that I've been using v. 10 without significant issues. Not without any: I occasionally have to check to be sure edits have synced before I leave the app; and I have had long, old notes shows some data corruption after an edit, but nothing that can't be recovered. I did have an instance of edit ... poof, gone ... repeat, but that was a couple of updates ago, and may have been related to connectivity issues on my end. I have no speed issues at all, have certainly never had the app fail to start--that kind of thing is rare and isolated, I believe.

EDIT: One other thing, since you're on a Samsung device: there is an ongoing bug in the use of handwriting to sketch or write on Samsung phones and tablets--mainly, it doesn't work, or it stops working after a couple of strokes. This happens with both the S Pen stylus and a finger. There are lengthy threads in the Android support forum: https://discussion.evernote.com/forums/forum/718-evernote-for-android-issues-versions-100-and-above/.

[agsteele 2,952]

I think that you can continue to refuse to upgrade and all will work until it doesn't. At that point you will be forced to upgrade. 

That time is closer today than it was when v10 was released for Android.

Once a decision is made to disable the sync for V8 you will have no option.

However, it may never happen since anyone with an Android device earlier than Android 10 cannot use the new version of Evernote.

So this warning is, I suspect, a warning rather than mandatory requirement. You will have seen this regardless of whether your survey. I'd pay a large bet that your comments have gone to a team and have been anonymous and not linked to your account.

So, for now, stick with what you know and love. But make a plan for what you will do when everything stops and learn to ignore the warning which probably won't go away.

[ehrt74 240]

The reviews on the play store are pretty suspect, if you ask me. The last time I checked they were overwhelmingly of similar length: something I would not expect if they had been written by humans. 

[Ralph77 44]

On 9/4/2023 at 1:42 PM, Dave-in-Decatur said:

I occasionally have to check to be sure edits have synced before I leave the app; and I have had long, old notes shows some data corruption after an edit, but nothing that can't be recovered. I did have an instance of edit ... poof, gone ... repeat, but that was a couple of updates ago, and may have been related to connectivity issues on my end.

Thanks Dave, I don't much like the sound of that as I don't have those issues - but then again I expect it could well have something to do with the size of your database compared to mine, rather than the app version - hard to say for sure.

On 9/4/2023 at 1:42 PM, Dave-in-Decatur said:

since you're on a Samsung device: there is an ongoing bug in the use of handwriting to sketch or write on Samsung phones and tablets--mainly, it doesn't work, or it stops working after a couple of strokes. This happens with both the S Pen stylus and a finger

Definitely no such issues being experienced this end!

On 9/4/2023 at 5:21 PM, agsteele said:

I think that you can continue to refuse to upgrade and all will work until it doesn't. At that point you will be forced to upgrade. 

That time is closer today than it was when v10 was released for Android.

Once a decision is made to disable the sync for V8 you will have no option.

However, it may never happen since anyone with an Android device earlier than Android 10 cannot use the new version of Evernote.

This is good news 🙂 I suppose I'll eventually have to resign myself to the fact that nothing gold can stay (with apologies to Robert Frost)!

What if I upgrade to the latest version right now, to see if I have any issues - do you see any reason why I couldn't uninstall it and revert to the v8.13.3 apk, which I have saved? There's no way I could be locked out of downgrading, right?

[agsteele 2,952]

You could try that. To be honest I don't know what affect it might have on using v8 later.  The new real time editing/sync process upgrades a note in the new app.  That takes a few seconds each time you open a note for the first time.  Reverting to v8 will mean that something may need to change going back. I don't think it should have problems. It is supposed to be possible to work both versions at the same time. I've just never tried recently.

You don't say whether you are on a paid subscription or just using the Free plan.  Remember that if you are on the Free scheme v8 and v10 will count as devices so you could easily exceed the Free device limits if you don't give this attention.

[Dave-in-Decatur 3,970]

6 hours ago, Ralph77 said:

Thanks Dave, I don't much like the sound of that as I don't have those issues - but then again I expect it could well have something to do with the size of your database compared to mine, rather than the app version - hard to say for sure.

I want to emphasize that I didn't find the issues to be debilitating to my use of the app for more than a brief period. On a mobile device, I don't think database size is a factor, since as I understand it the entire DB is never downloaded to the device.

[Ralph77 44]

21 hours ago, agsteele said:

It is supposed to be possible to work both versions at the same time. I've just never tried recently.

You don't say whether you are on a paid subscription or just using the Free plan.

Hi agsteele, I'm on a paid plan. With regard to using both versions at the same time, are we still talking Android? I've only ever known one version of an app to be able to be installed at the same time; and the only way to downgrade is to first uninstall the latest version as Android doesn't allow downgrades while the same app is still installed. I think that using both versions at the same time might just apply to computers? As you might guess, on my PC I am still using Evernote Legacy. 

I just booted up my old phone, a Motorola running Android 9. No update from v8.13.3 seems to be available. This accords with what you said about anyone with an Android device earlier than Android 10 cannot use the new version of Evernote. Yet the very same red & white banner still popped up on it warning me that I need to upgrade!

I think maybe I should probably just stop worrying about this for now 😬

[agsteele 2,952]

7 minutes ago, Ralph77 said:

With regard to using both versions at the same time, are we still talking Android? I've only ever known one version of an app to be able to be installed at the same time;

You are correct. I was thinking two separate Android devices, one with V8 and the other v10.

As for worrying. I think you have to accept that you are going to reminded but just live with it.

[Alxa 481]

My experience was that if I once updated a device to EN10 you afterwards will not be able to reinstall EN8.13.3 on Android >=10 without the extra mile to support to grant access (reporting your IP and so on). So maybe don't try it out on your Android 13 device if you want to avoid the risk of being forced to use EN10.

The Play Store says EN10 would eventually be availabe to devices running Android 6-9, too. But this text is there since introduction of EN10 years ago and nothing happened. Now I would guess they cut the cord for EN 8.13.3 if user base running older devices gets small enough in the future so they don't care of losing them. Pretty funny that EN8.13.3 suggests to update even on Android 9...where there is no actual update available.

[Ralph77 44]

15 minutes ago, Alxa said:

My experience was that if I once updated a device to EN10 you afterwards will not be able to reinstall EN8.13.3 on Android >=10 without the extra mile to support to grant access

Thanks for this, @Alxa, that's good to know - I guess I'll play it safe then, I won't try out v10 until actually forced to at point of [Evernote]death!

Interestingly on my Android 9 device EN complains that it can't sync just one note - a very small one from years ago. No probs on the Android 13 device. Maybe such anomalies will start to happen more often - but then again, it could just be that the poor overloaded old phone needs a factory reset, as it's really struggling in general!

[Dave-in-Decatur 3,970]

7 hours ago, Ralph77 said:

Interestingly on my Android 9 device EN complains that it can't sync just one note - a very small one from years ago. No probs on the Android 13 device. Maybe such anomalies will start to happen more often - but then again, it could just be that the poor overloaded old phone needs a factory reset, as it's really struggling in general!

This sounds like an old bugaboo in v. 8 (which v. 10 does not have, so one point for it there). Random notes fail to sync, sometimes with absurd error messages. See these two threads:

• https://discussion.evernote.com/topic/120419-incomprehensible-note-locks/
• https://discussion.evernote.com/forums/topic/126325-the-note-is-read-only-it-was-created-in-another-app/

[Ralph77 44]

@Dave-in-Decatur I do remember the Incomprehensible Note Locks thread well - in fact it was me who found the solution (clear app's cache and storage). Fun times! Thankfully I've not had that issue in over three years now 🤞

[Dave-in-Decatur 3,970]

6 hours ago, Ralph77 said:

@Dave-in-Decatur I do remember the Incomprehensible Note Locks thread well - in fact it was me who found the solution (clear app's cache and storage). Fun times! Thankfully I've not had that issue in over three years now 🤞

So it was! The problem seems to have been fixed (maybe without them ever figuring out what it was) in v. 10.

[The IT Solutionist 1]

I received this notice on Windows this morning. The newer versions are unusable in Windows because they have a minimum width the precludes effectively using other applications at the same time, which is how I need to use it 90% of the time. 

Someone noted earlier that it will work until it doesn't, which is when I will migrate to Obsidian, which lacks features I like but has the key feature I need. 

[PinkElephant 8,157]

Your screen must be VERY punny to not allow the use of EN beside other apps. Even on HD resolution there is space enough, and most modern computers support at least FullHD. But ok, just move wherever you want to go.

[Dave-in-Decatur 3,970]

2 hours ago, The IT Solutionist said:

I received this notice on Windows this morning. The newer versions are unusable in Windows because they have a minimum width the precludes effectively using other applications at the same time, which is how I need to use it 90% of the time. 

Someone noted earlier that it will work until it doesn't, which is when I will migrate to Obsidian, which lacks features I like but has the key feature I need. 

I've got a modest-sized laptop, and I can open notes in individual windows and resize and place them as I need, while browsing Websites, working on documents in other apps, or on Zoom. I do it all the time. (See screenshot). Obviously your usage or setup differs, so in your situation Evernote may not be the best. But it's not a universal problem. Out of curiosity, how small do you make a note window in Evernote Legacy?

BTW, we are seriously thread-drifted here, since the OP and all the discussion has been about Android, not Windows.

[ha-kg 19]

With all the problems which arose with the  Windows and Android versions and the increase in price, I selected the only solution after 12 years:

Subscription cancelled

[PinkElephant 8,157]

My only question is „Who cares“ ?

This „Hello and I canceled after x years“ is becoming sort of boring. It doesn’t tell anything that would help others to take a good personal decision.

[Ralph77 44]

Yes and as @Dave-in-Decatur said, the post is drifting. Thank you everyone for your comments, we haven't reached a solution as such but I'm satisfied that there isn't really one. I'd rather stick with the version 8 app that I know and am familiar with but I accept that one day I might just have to upgrade...

I installed Obsidian on suggestion above of @The IT Solutionist - haven't yet been able to make head nor tail of it, so I think the learning curve might be a bit steep.

[Defund-the-BBC 0]

I clicked on the update link without thinking (Huawei tablet, Android 9).

EN10 is working reasonably well apart from being slow, the only other problems have been a lot of note conflicts (does it autosave?) and the simplify formatting button is missing (which is a considerable nuisance). 

I also have a Samsung galaxy note 8 which I have not allowed to update from Android 8 because recording phone calls is very important to me (I use Cube ACR). The note 8 is still running EN8.13.3 successfully (no red bar) and thankfully the simplify formatting button is still there.

Evernote Paid.

[Dave-in-Decatur 3,970]

6 hours ago, Defund-the-BBC said:

the simplify formatting button is missing (which is a considerable nuisance)

Actually just well hidden: select some text and tap the Aa to drop down an extensive menu. The "magic wand" Simplify button and the Remove Formatting button are at bottom right. I sometimes have to try both to get what I want.

[mackid1993 737]

On 9/13/2023 at 12:20 PM, Dave-in-Decatur said:

I've got a modest-sized laptop, and I can open notes in individual windows and resize and place them as I need, while browsing Websites, working on documents in other apps, or on Zoom. I do it all the time. (See screenshot). Obviously your usage or setup differs, so in your situation Evernote may not be the best. But it's not a universal problem. Out of curiosity, how small do you make a note window in Evernote Legacy?

BTW, we are seriously thread-drifted here, since the OP and all the discussion has been about Android, not Windows.

Hello fellow DOpus user!

[Dave-in-Decatur 3,970]

33 minutes ago, mackid1993 said:

Hello fellow DOpus user!

😄 Nice catch. For the non-cognoscenti, Directory Opus is a Windows Explorer replacement, and I mean "replacement" in the sense that a pickup truck is a replacement for a bicycle with a trailer attached. </drift>

[mackid1993 737]

2 minutes ago, Dave-in-Decatur said:

😄 Nice catch. For the non-cognoscenti, Directory Opus is a Windows Explorer replacement, and I mean "replacement" in the sense that a pickup truck is a replacement for a bicycle with a trailer attached. </drift>

It's like replacing a 92 Corolla with roll up windows and manual locks with a Tesla.

[Ralph77 44]

10 hours ago, Defund-the-BBC said:

I clicked on the update link without thinking (Huawei tablet, Android 9).

I'm curious to know how you managed to update EN on an Android 9 device. I thought we'd established that Android 6-9 cannot update EN past version 8.13.3?

[agsteele 2,952]

The most recent release of EN v10.54 will run under Android 9.

[Ralph77 44]

28 minutes ago, agsteele said:

The most recent release of EN v10.54 will run under Android 9.

Ah, that's new then. I just turned on my old Motorola Android 9 phone and can now confirm same. 

[Ralph77 44]

Just FYI, today I am now receiving the same notice as a banner at the top of EN Legacy on my PC. I expect it won't be long before they both stop functioning. 

[agsteele 2,952]

Yes the wiring really is on the metaphorical wall.

[Ralph77 44]

2 minutes ago, agsteele said:

Yes the wiring really is on the metaphorical wall.

I hope it's insulated 😁

[jpaz 48]

Got the same on the legacy version on pc (still usign 6,25) like Ralph77. After 12 years if they enforce the new one it is time to say goodbye to Evernote. With much regret...

[PinkElephant 8,157]

They will enforce it. They can’t make all users suffer through problems caused by permanently converting data formats just because a few insist on running outdated software.

The clock started ticking 3 years ago. Everybody had ample time to switch to v10, or find an alternative.

[Ralph77 44]

How is my choice to use EN Legacy making all other users suffer? Sorry but I feel you surely must be overstating this by several orders of magnitude.

I can understand how outdated software might be more prone to security issues, but making all other users suffer? I don't get that.

[s2sailor 2,220]

25 minutes ago, Ralph77 said:

How is my choice to use EN Legacy making all other users suffer? Sorry but I feel you surely must be overstating this by several orders of magnitude.

I can understand how outdated software might be more prone to security issues, but making all other users suffer? I don't get that.

In V10 they have implemented a new sync technology called RTE, real time editing.  It is basically instantaneous character by character syncing.  At a minimum, it is very inefficient for the company to maintain two distinct sync mechanisms and maintaining support for the old one is likely holding them back from introducing some new features.

[Ralph77 44]

Oh, I feel for them 🙄 

Sorry but I can't add any more than I said above. I'll upgrade when forced, but I reject the suggestion that my choice to do this is in any way making "all users suffer".

[s2sailor 2,220]

I think the comment making other users suffer, is a bit strong, but I can understand the companies desire to stop supporting an older technology that provides a redundant function.

[Defund-the-BBC 0]

3 hours ago, s2sailor said:

In V10 they have implemented a new sync technology called RTE, real time editing.  It is basically instantaneous character by character syncing. 

This is causing multiple note conflicts for me. Is there any way of reducing these?

[PinkElephant 8,157]

RTE is not causing ANY note conflicts. It is avoiding them.

The note conflicts occur when the modern RTE data structure must be converted into the aged data format of the legacy client. There the conflicts happen.

[jpaz 48]

I do understand the company woes and needs due to (apparent) evolution of Evernote. But the company also has to understand users. Well, if the company wants them to keep being users, of course...

 

A reddit thread about this issue: 

The last time I checked PROS and CONS of both versions, I kept to the legacy version. Just in case, I will check again. See this, but a bit dispersed

 

[PinkElephant 8,157]

Very simple: The company gives a warning. The company gives a clear warning. The company gives a distress warning. 
…

The company finally pulls the plug on syncing clients deprecated 3 years ago. The users can continue to use the software eternally, but it will not make a server connection any more.

Honestly: Who hasn’t made the move after 3 years and several clear messages gets what he is asking for. Nobody looses anything - just install the new software, log in, and all your data is waiting for you.

[The IT Solutionist 1]

The below screen is a fairly typical proportion for taking notes while in a meeting, though I frequently need to go even narrower to see presented content while taking or reading notes:

[ALB3452 3]

On 9/30/2023 at 9:03 PM, PinkElephant said:

Very simple: The company gives a warning. The company gives a clear warning. The company gives a distress warning. 
…

The company finally pulls the plug on syncing clients deprecated 3 years ago. The users can continue to use the software eternally, but it will not make a server connection any more.

Honestly: Who hasn’t made the move after 3 years and several clear messages gets what he is asking for. Nobody looses anything - just install the new software, log in, and all your data is waiting for you.

If the company wouldn't suck and care about its users most of them would have upgraded (plus pay for the app), but 3 years after the release of v10, you cant edit notes in any RTL language... it used to partially work in v6 (you could align the text to the right by clicking ctrl+right shift) but dots and commas were a mess, but yet, you could have used it and I'm still usign it. On v10 however they've killed the Crtl-shift option entirely, thus the app can't be used by anyone writing text in RTL languages. 3 years, no one fixed ... quite a good reason not to upgrade don't u think? (obviously I'm referring to the legacy Win client in comparison to v10  of course)

[PinkElephant 8,157]

What I think ?

That you should stop spamming the forum by double posting. That's what crosses my mind right now.

[Defund-the-BBC 0]

I'm using the web app for now.

It's been updated and works well, apart from the search bar disappearing sometimes.

Edited November 6, 2023 by Defund-the-BBC
To add something

[Alessandra 31]

On 9/6/2023 at 2:50 PM, Alxa said:

My experience was that if I once updated a device to EN10 you afterwards will not be able to reinstall EN8.13.3 on Android >=10 without the extra mile to support to grant access (reporting your IP and so on). So maybe don't try it out on your Android 13 device if you want to avoid the risk of being forced to use EN10.

The Play Store says EN10 would eventually be availabe to devices running Android 6-9, too. But this text is there since introduction of EN10 years ago and nothing happened. Now I would guess they cut the cord for EN 8.13.3 if user base running older devices gets small enough in the future so they don't care of losing them. Pretty funny that EN8.13.3 suggests to update even on Android 9...where there is no actual update available.

This is not true you can reinstall the 8.13.3 version even if you inadvertedly installed the dreadful v10

[PinkElephant 8,157]

… and use it until the syncing stops.

Which will likely be soon, which is the reason for the warning signs.

 

[Ralph77 44]

Hi, I know this will jinx it but... just thought I'd pop back on to comment that I haven't seen the banner for ages in either the Android app (I'm still using v8.13.3) or the Legacy Windows client (v6.25.2.9198). I wonder if they have relented and are not going to discontinue them as soon as they originally intended?

Off topic, but I was less happy about hearing from them a few days ago advising that my Personal Plan price of AU$89.99 will be increasing to AU$159.99 on renewal next month - that's almost a 78% increase!

Is this consistent with the price rise elsewhere in the world? I ask because when Google increased their Google Workspace pricing a few years back, U.S. users only got a 20% increase, but us poor Aussies got slugged with a 68% increase! Google conveniently blamed the exchange rate.

[Dave-in-Decatur 3,970]

9 hours ago, Ralph77 said:

Hi, I know this will jinx it but... just thought I'd pop back on to comment that I haven't seen the banner for ages in either the Android app (I'm still using v8.13.3) or the Legacy Windows client (v6.25.2.9198). I wonder if they have relented and are not going to discontinue them as soon as they originally intended?

Take a look around the forums for threads on v. 6.25: many people are now saying it will no longer sync, maybe not even log in. The clock is ticking, and I'd guess it would be for the older Android app too. With Android, though, there's a difference, since Evernote v. 10 requires Android 9 (I think) to run, so if you're on an older phone and Android OS, Evernote 8 may work as long as the phone does.

9 hours ago, Ralph77 said:

Off topic, but I was less happy about hearing from them a few days ago advising that my Personal Plan price of AU$89.99 will be increasing to AU$159.99 on renewal next month - that's almost a 78% increase!

Is this consistent with the price rise elsewhere in the world? I ask because when Google increased their Google Workspace pricing a few years back, U.S. users only got a 20% increase, but us poor Aussies got slugged with a 68% increase! Google conveniently blamed the exchange rate.

Again, take a look around the forums. There do seem to be differences from country to country, though a 78% increase is not far off from what users elsewhere are seeing.

[jpaz 48]

Yes Legacy version is not syncing anymore. Finally gettting back to the new version (that I tried out and gone back to Legacy). To be constructive I will leave a comparison of things better in the Legacy version hoping they will be added to the New version.

Another option, still considering: use Legacy version without sync, backing up notes manually? Hmm... tempting...

Keeping to Evernote (tried alternatives, but none made me change so far), and keeping free version (for the moment).

 

BR

JPaz

[s2sailor 2,220]

1 hour ago, jpaz said:

Yes Legacy version is not syncing anymore. Finally gettting back to the new version (that I tried out and gone back to Legacy). To be constructive I will leave a comparison of things better in the Legacy version hoping they will be added to the New version.

That will be interesting for us to see and comment on, but I would also recommend that you send this feedback directly to Evernote.

[Dave-in-Decatur 3,970]

3 hours ago, jpaz said:

Another option, still considering: use Legacy version without sync, backing up notes manually? Hmm... tempting...

Haven't seen this suggested before, and trying to envision it. Does this mean you only use Evernote on one device?

[Ralph77 44]

20 minutes ago, Dave-in-Decatur said:

Does this mean you only use Evernote on one device?

They said they are using the free version, so that is the implication, since it's limited to 50 notes, 1 notebook on one device only.

Off topic, but Evernote website is currently showing a popup when not logged in, 50% off, ends in a few hours.

Once logged in, you don't see the offer anymore.

Really pees me off when faithful long term customers like us effectively get taxed/penalised like this.

[jpaz 48]

@Dave-in-Decatur Yes that would mean using only on one device. And it is risky because you would have to make your own backups. But no note creation limit, until now. Got the idea from Pink Elephat guy, but not as a proposal or suggestion. He just mentioned it, as a limitation I think.

Update: Evernote Legacy asked to login again and now it is syncing again. Very strange! But I do not hope it lasts...

 

BR

JPaz

[Dave-in-Decatur 3,970]

1 hour ago, jpaz said:

@Dave-in-Decatur Yes that would mean using only on one device. And it is risky because you would have to make your own backups. But no note creation limit, until now. Got the idea from Pink Elephat guy, but not as a proposal or suggestion. He just mentioned it, as a limitation I think.

Update: Evernote Legacy asked to login again and now it is syncing again. Very strange! But I do not hope it lasts...

Good luck. I think you're right, it's not likely to last long term. Using Evernote on one device only seems to me to defeat a lot of the purpose of it, though it might give you good search options. But for instance without an internet connection attachments would not get OCRed to make text in them searchable.

[Sledr 8]

On 1/15/2024 at 8:36 AM, jpaz said:

 

Update: Evernote Legacy asked to login again and now it is syncing again. Very strange! But I do not hope it lasts...

BR

JPaz

I have been able to sync using the legacy version on both Windows 10 & Android 12,  ever since January 2022.  BUT I am very careful to not logout on Android or my desktop PC.  It's actually encouraging to hear that you were able to login again and start syncing!!

I had major EN sync & search problems in January 2022.  Then I made the mistake of re-installing the legacy EN Android App (listened to one of the Apple Fanboys).  That's when I saw the writing on the wall and started looking elsewhere for an alternative to EN.  Now, not only do I use the legacy version of EN, but I consider the data in EN to be "legacy data".  Once EN cuts us legacy users off from access to the Cloud, I plan to use the legacy version without sync.  I always backup my desktop EN database & executables manually.  Since Jan 2022, I have been using Obsidian for 99% of my notes.  Hoping to get all of my EN data imported into Obsidian soon.

[Ralph77 44]

After a few months of not seeing the banner, either in the Android app or on the PC, the legacy versions are now popping up a new banner, this time giving a definite cutoff date: "We're removing this version of Evernote on March 20, 2024. You must install the latest version to keep using the app." So the writing is definitely on the wall now, loud and clear.

[Ralph77 44]

OK so since my hand has been forced, I've yesterday taken the plunge and updated to the latest PC and Android versions. And while the sky hasn't completely fallen, the user experience in the Android app certainly leaves a lot to be desired. But hopefully it could just be because the UI is so bad that I simply haven't been able to figure out how to configure it...

Gone is the clean look, and how it quickly opened directly to my notes list... instead it opens to a cluttered page where I need to click "NOTES" to see my notes. Okay, so one extra tap, not a biggie.

My major beef is that I can't figure out how to disable fingerprint. Every time, even if I switch to another window and then back again immediately, I need to unlock with fingerprint again! I actually raised a support issue about this to ask how to set the timeout (the old app had selectable timeout, which I'd set to 15 minutes) - they said it can't be done!! Surely there must be some way to disable it entirely though? I need a fingerprint to unlock my device, so for an app to enforce biometrics against my wishes once I've already unlocked my phone is just plain ridiculous. If there is a way to disable this, I haven't been able to find it?

I also can't figure out how to disable web clipping when sharing a URL from a browser - all I want in the note is the URL, not the entire web page!

Or how to set a default notebook when sharing a URL from a browser eg. I want my links to go into my Links folder - in the old app I was able to set the default notebook to Links and it would remember it, in the new version it seems to always want to put them into the main notebook and I can't work out how to change it?

And where has the persistent notification gone - I was previously able to make quick notes directly from the Android pulldown notification shade - now it seems one needs to unlock the phone, tap the app or widget, then the annoying fingerprint, and finally get typing! Please tell me there's a quicker way to do this!?

And what happened to being able to long-press a note to be able to delete it? Now you need to open the note and choose to delete it from the menu.

Okay, this next is a little off-topic, as I opened this discussion to pertain only to the Android app. But there is pertinence as both had to be updated. Anyway thankfully so far my experience with the PC version is better than with the Android app. In fact I only have one beef (so far, haha). All of the note text is dark grey! Apart from note titles, which are black. I tried changing text from Auto to black, but it made no difference - apparently in this new version, "grey is the new black"... If it can display note titles in black, then why not the body text? I find the lack of contrast a huge distraction. I HATE grey text, which seems to have become fashionable on websites lately. Grrrr.

[agsteele 2,952]

Does Settings, Passcode, Unlock with biometrics help?

[Ralph77 44]

22 minutes ago, agsteele said:

Does Settings, Passcode, Unlock with biometrics help?

Thank you 👌 I hadn't thought to look at the Passcode page.

Just deselecting 'Unlock with biometrics' actually forced the use of the passcode. So I had to deselect 'Require Passcode' too. Now it unlocks without either, which is fine for my purposes (though the added functionality of the old app whereby a fingerprint timeout period could be specified, would be nice).

Interestingly, even though one can keep 'Unlock with biometrics' enabled while 'Require passcode' is disabled, it doesn't ask for the fingerprint under those conditions.

[jpaz 48]

OK, I have also "taken the plunge" to Windows version. Here are my first impressions, updating a table I had posted before. This refers to the Free Version

 

Features not present in New Version or better managed in Legacy Version (Free Account)

New or better features in New Version (Free Account)

no top toolbar 4 shortcuts (way) faster then new version  generally fast (but sometimes freezes) no color tags filters take too much space when applied two clicks to open EN from taskbar icon (really annoying) hover on tags does not open search tags, we have to click Search Tags keyboard shortcut not available Legacy was Shift + Alt + T Tags icon should be after shortcuts not at the bottom divider less visible too much options only in More editing toolbar except in expanded note less fonts less font colours less settings control notes in local computer, not only online (works offline if logged in before and syncs after); solved: there is option to keep local copy of Evernote database more visible space (snippet view 6 vs 4 notes; side list 24 vs 15 notes) partially solved: by View zoom out setting

nice colors fresh green and blue more highlight colours strikethrough completed checklist items (although no option to go to bottom of list) recent notes list editable keyboard shortcuts embed youtube videos collapsible left side bar, still in doubt either to keep visible: direct access tags but less space interface and less visible tags or click to open search tags: need to find tag icon and hover or click collapsible headers uniform interface in multiples OSs taks in notes

 

 

[Cristiano478 154]

7 horas atrás, Ralph77 disse:

OK so since my hand has been forced, I've yesterday taken the plunge and updated to the latest PC and Android versions. And while the sky hasn't completely fallen, the user experience in the Android app certainly leaves a lot to be desired. But hopefully it could just be because the UI is so bad that I simply haven't been able to figure out how to configure it...

 

v10 on Android was terrible when it launched. It has improved a lot in the last few months and today it is ok. I recognize that compared to the legacy version it is still slow and I don't know if it will ever reach that speed and fluidity.

[Ralph77 44]

8 hours ago, Cristiano478 said:

v10 on Android was terrible when it launched. It has improved a lot in the last few months and today it is ok.

No. Well I can't imagine how bad it was when it launched, but today it is terrible - well, at least it is terrible at doing the one thing that I use it for every day - saving website links, eg. news articles, into a special folder for later reading. I call this folder "Reading List". It is not the folder I want to save regular notes to, that one is called "Main Notebook". But it seems that in the new version, you cannot define a web clip folder anymore.

What used to take me 5 steps now takes 15 steps! Obviously - please let me know if there is any way to speed up this workflow that I'm unaware of...

Web clipper in version 8

1. Tap browser's Share button
2. Select EN as the share
3. EN opens note with plain text link in the correct notebook (Reading List). Add a space to convert it to a clickable link
4. Add any extra text to note at the same time (eg. "article about invertebrates, good photos")
5. Tap the confirmation tick/arrow twice in EN to save and automatically return to browser.

Web clipper in version 10

1. Tap browser's Share button
2. Select EN as the share
3. Because a notebook for shares cannot be preset, tap the default notebook's name in the popup
4. Scroll all the way down down the list to find Reading List
5. Tap on Reading List
6. Tap the green arrow next to Select Notebook
7. Tap Save
8. Now it annoyingly returns to the browser automatically, so I need to manually open EN to delete the completely unwanted/unwelcome web clip and add any extra text to the note!
9. Once back in EN, tap to open the new note
10. Tap Edit
11. To remove the web clip, tap and hold 'Web Clip'
12. Tap backspace on keyboard to delete web clip
13. Add my extra text to note
14. Tap the green tick in EN to save
15. Tap twice on the phone's Apps button in the navigation bar to return to the browser

After all this time and effort,  I need a cuppa after saving every web share! 🍵😬

 

EDIT: Another issue - At first I thought it neat how the shared URL now occupies its own space in the new version, rather than in the body text... but it seems URL cannot be edited! It can be done on the PC, but not in Android. That's annoying because when a shared URL contains a lot of unnecessary guff at the end (Facebook references and the like) I like to get rid of those before saving the note.

[Cristiano478 154]

10 horas atrás, Ralph77 disse:

No. Well I can't imagine how bad it was when it launched, but today it is terrible - well, at least it is terrible at doing the one thing that I use it for every day - saving website links, eg. news articles, into a special folder for later reading. I call this folder "Reading List". It is not the folder I want to save regular notes to, that one is called "Main Notebook". But it seems that in the new version, you cannot define a web clip folder anymore.

 

I understand. I also usually save links for later reading, but I use another app for this called Raindrop.io. It's very simple and effective. It's worth checking out.