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No, maybe because it would be sort of a nightmare to sync such a change of properties (and rights) through a diverse structure of clients that will be off- and online at different times etc. If you keep everything just online, you execute the change on the server, and that is it.

Organizing in EN is done more by tagging than by notes in notebooks in other notebooks / stacks. As in all folder structures, one note can only belong to one notebook. One notebook can only rest in one stack. If this would be taken further, it still results in a tree-type structure, where each element is in a linear relation up and down. Tags allow for a multidimensional arrangement of information. If you go to have the modules in notes, you can tag them to group them into courses. Let us say, you have 3 semesters of math, 1-2-3. You can then create a tag hierarchy, for example Bachelor-Basic modules-Math-1/2/3 etc. What does multidimensional mean ? Let us say, you later on have a class of advanced engineering, and you need a mathematical concept from one of the notes from Math 2 for this. You can now tag this old math-note In addition with the tag „Advan-Eng 3“, so when you set up your schedule to prepare for the examination, you include this note into your notes to learn. You do not need to copy it, you do not move it, you just tag it. Then You Tag all of these notes with a Tag „tobelearned“, and when you are through, you may tag them „done“. This way you can use the same information in multiple ways, and you can use the same information at the same time for different purposes. Notebooks are more for setting things up, like share a notebook with other people (not note by note, just the whole NB), by making them selectively available offline on a mobile client, by creating a „local“ notebook not to be synced for private notes etc.

For me it is iOS and Mac. For the Mac, there is a very nice extension called Bubble Browser for Evernote. It shows notes in their relation to each other, or groups of tags etc. A very nice tool to visualize the living structure of an Evernote database.

Just for you to know: When working on a desktop client, sometimes there is another way to retrieve: If the sync did not yet happen, an older version can be retrieved from the web client without going to note history.

Don’t think so. Ownership of a notebook is a deep property of the organizational structure of the database. Have you tried copying the notes one by one from the shared notebook on your sons account ? Have not tried it myself, but maybe it works. If not, you probably have to go inside of the notes and copy the content. I would use a desktop client to try both, not a mobile one or the web.

@PetsolbDouble posting ... please decide on which thread you want to post, but avoid „copy and paste“ of the same stuff to other posts. You can link to your own content if you think it serves here and there.

„If you want to please everybody, you end up with pleasing no one“ (German writer Goethe about theater audiences). Some more optical elements like more color in highlighting etc. yes. Pushing EN from what it is today to something visual-based no. For me if my right half of the brain wants handwriting or sketching I use a device (iPad pro with Apple Pencil) and apps (Goodnotes, Sketchpad etc.) that are up to the task. If my left half of the brain wants to have it organized and filed, I use Evernote. Since Evernote will take all sorts of stuff and is highly flexible, I can satisfy both aspects of my virtual life.

Frustration about support I can follow. First level asks 3-5 questions to you for each one you’ve asked to them. Often it would be an endeavour taking several Pomodoros to get all the information, so I sometimes do not follow up. But they showed some methods to me of how to make live screen copies from my devices, which sort of balances the bill 😉 They have good staff on 2nd level, and sometimes one of the devs will be called - then it usually is o.k. My database (and use) of EN is mostly pdf-attachments embedded in notes with no or only few additional content. Most of it is tagged. Thus I heavily rely on OCRed docs. Many docs are in German, some in English. OCR in my case derives from - own scan, OCRed partly with the Nuance Paperport SW delivered with my ix500 last year, part only scanned and OCRed by EN on the server. You can not tell these 2 apart, only if you dig into the pdf itself. EN will not alter the original file when doing their OCR, so if the file contains OCR-information, it is from the Nuance process. - Scanned and partly OCRed with ScannerPro on my iPhone 6S+. Same issue as before, plus these docs were all heavily corrected in their perspective by the scanning app, plus these docs contain more irregular paper sizes/shapes than the nice A4s done on the ix500. - Clipped pages from the web, most of them not by the webclipper but clipped on my iPad through the share-print-topdf-share workflow. - some pdfs from Goodnotes 5, handwriting with OCR from the app - some pdfs I’ve received as pdfs though mail or the web, send untouched into EN - little notes with text written into the note itself - nearly no other docs than pdfs (Office-type) Using hyphens to mark an exact match comes some of natural to me from other services, so I’ve simply tried it. I am used from the old days to build Boolean search strings instead of todays „type in the words and hit enter“. The hits in the pdfs are highlighted, so I can see visibly what they believe to have found. What is amazing to me is that there are often hits in the very fine print like the footer of official letters or the legal stuff at the rear of pages in light blue on lighter blue paper. This leads to additional docs found where you would not expect the searched string, like you search for invoice, and it finds an order confirmation printed on stationary that at the rear in the legal section talks about their invoices as well. For you this may look like a false hit, for the search it is a valid hit because it is „there“. When I find some time, I will play around with Windows and iOS as well. From the basic design of the clients, I would expect the desktops to search in the local database, and the mobiles on the server. Maybe I will go offline 😱 a bit to verify.

... Web does not count as a device, so you can always manage your devices through the web client.

It is only possible through workarounds to revert to older versions: With iTunes before ver 12.7 you could reinstall prior versions of apps via iTunes If iTunes is beyond ver 12.7, this is no longer possible. Then there may be a way through the Apple configurator. Both methods will not work in any case, depending on app history and availability, and they are still workarounds. If you need How-to-details I please search for it yourself. I just found some German explanation, and it sounds more complicated than practical. By the way, I am quite happy with 8.21 both on my iPad Pro and my iPhone...

@dconnet Interesting - is there a more detailed description of this scripting option for Windows somewhere ? Is tagging an option ?

On their last official EN video with Ian Small they have posted some interesting information about how they changed their database to make it more performant and responsive. In short they had one central read/write structure before that had to serve all traffic. On finding that the main traffic is read only, they created several read-only copies of the central hub, that spread the read traffic among them, with a regional twitch. So all write Traffic still goes to the hub, but read requests will be handled by a distributed base of cloud servers closer to the users. Maybe I was just lucky to download after this was done ... But still given that the iOS devices are much more similar to each other than the Androids, I am amazed that some experience heavy problems when others report solid performance. I would expect a more coherent behavior of the iOS user base.

On the Mac, the EN database rest in a folder structure. Basically one file per note or attachment. It is quite different to the Windows client where the data is comprised in one big file. You can still find the exact place under which these folders are to be found somewhere in the Mac client. My Mac is already down for the night, otherwise I would try to find it. I do not remember at the moment, but DTLow posted somewhere, somewhen here in the forum how to get to the path. How this will help to rid us from the EN-SPOTLIGHT-KEYCHAIN bug I do not see.

Tagging means that I know in advance I am going to search for it one day. Works fine, as long as I know. But often I will not know in advance, and then reliable search is a must. The initial post opens a valid question, that advanced search does not work as advertised. But my own quick test leads to another assumption: Search works as advertised / described. Text only means text within context, not necessarily exact match Text in hyphens means exact match The residue of unexplained search results IMHO is related to faulty OCR, not to the search function itself. This is my impression from a brief test described above on the Mac client. When I find some time, I may repeat this on the Windows and iOS clients, just to learn for myself. Conclusion: If we want to be sure to find what we are looking for, we should make sure the OCR is performing when saving our stuff. Or don’t OCR ourselves, and leave the OCRing to EN on the server. When a document comes already loaded with OCR content, EN will not OCR it again. Thus we can ourselves create the messy search we are complaining about afterwards.

If it will sync, I do not know. Maybe there is a trigger in the DB-structure, that is read when the client opens and causes the sync ? First thing if I were you is that I would push my account to Premium/Business - because you should not expect us users to really solve an issue like that. With a paid account you have access to support - and if you really want to dive that deep, you will probably need it.

On Windows there is a SQLite-DB behind the client. Maybe even easier to handle through external access (SQL-code) than the multi-documented Mac back end.

Offline download: I have a pretty fast Internet at home, so if there was something slowing things down it was not that. I think the problem was that every time the app was not at the front, or the iPad went to sleep, the downloading stopped. In total I have 10GB of downloaded data for the EN app, and it took appr. 2 days to get it done. On the iPhone I just have very few notebooks offline, those that I will really need on the fly (travel, inbox, stuff like that). Actually I do not use the app often on the iPhone, because it is just quick retrieval, not working on the notes as on the iPad.

Since I do not have any trouble (no using Siri on this either): Have you yet contacted support on this ? For me, since 8.20 everything works again as it should.

Try the refurbished pages on the apple store. These are new (not reworked), mainly from returned orders, fully checked and often 10-15% cheaper.

Have all my notebooks offline already ... It just won’t help with the current restrictions of iOS: One note at a time, all the time.

Yes, waiting for this as well ! I hope for more changes, like having a local copy of the EN database on the ipad, being able to open several notes at once, join notes into one, do mass tagging and moving of notes etc like on the desktop clients. I have all my notebooks as offline copy, but it is not the same. On the note taking, I have a personal policy of restricting my use of different apps for one purpose. It is o.k. If you have any of the good note taking apps when you search for content. I go to GN when I remember it was handwritten, and will find it pretty fast. When using several apps for the same purpose, it can be difficult. GN has made it clear they will not make live export to any other services. This is a 10-people company, living on selling the app and not an abo model - so they probably do not want to dedicate a lot of their resources just to keep the interfaces up to date. Noteshelf at the moment stands out with the „save-to-EN“ option, if you are a EN user.

Did the check myself, cutting away the last letter of „Rechnung“ (invoice in German). Similar result, searching for Rechnun created several hundred hits, searching for „Rechnun“ only 7. Maybe this results from OCR where there may be alternative spellings saved, or where this exact spelling resulted from a OCR by accident. There is OCR software that will save different options when it had problems to identify a word. Then I have tried with Premium and „Premi“. Here it was 99 to 0 (zero). So I think that the hyphen do really work for exact matches, as described, at least on the Mac client.

I suppose there exist tools for Windows as well to manipulate local HTML-content. Typically there is a lot of 3rd-party freeware available, for all type of uses, often in an eternal status of rel 0.9 (use it, but don’t blame anybody if it goes wrong). Depending of from which source the content arises, I think there are alternatives to manipulating the HTML /ENEX files directly. I especially like the Windows version of the Scansnap software, that is far superior to the rudimentary stuff available on the Mac. For me this is one reason why I live with both desktop clients.

Right, the pdfs are as static as they are from other sources. What I like is that they carry their OCR info, and I can annotate them using the build-in EN tools to do so. I do not say it is the ideal workflow for everybody. In my case, I keep the „living“ notes in GN5 for as long as they need to be appended and edited. GN has included a very good search function with ver.5, that will search all notebooks, not only one as before. For me, I prefer to have a separate handwriting app with a perfect iCloud-sync and other features I like, and have the additional step to export what I want to file away into EN. For other use cases, the Noteshelf option is probably better, especially because Penultimate is a walking dead software, not able to even perform simple tasks offered by most other handwriting annotation apps.

Always depends on who you let in, and if you trust these people. Comfort goes along with openness ... one reason why I prefer to pay for my more important services, instead of believing that a good product will be available „for free“. The „free“ model of filterize is obviously for testing purposes only (very restricted), so pay as you use stands for me for a sustainable business model.