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Doesn't work to sort by title (or date created/updated) on iOS 10.64.0 for me either (and works ok in MacOS) -- so looks like it's maybe a problem with mobile Evernote in general. I think it's been this way for quite some time too... but I don't know for sure.

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6 minutes ago, Dave-in-Decatur said:

Is it only notes in stacks that don't sort properly? I find that the Notes list as such can be sorted by title without issue (v. 10.64.0).

Yes, when in stacks (however there are also other bugs, eg with filtering)

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1 hour ago, PinkElephant said:

Hi there, can we agree that double posting is a no-no for all of us ?

He is commenting about a different app version each time.  It is not double posting.  Hopefully the comments are also backed up with support tickets.

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20 minutes ago, s2sailor said:

He is commenting about a different app version each time.  It is not double posting.  Hopefully the comments are also backed up with support tickets.

Ticket opened 1 month ago.

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2 hours ago, PinkElephant said:

Hi there, can we agree that double posting is a no-no for all of us ?

Hopefully we can agree that calling it Everbug in multiple threads isn't going to get anything fixed faster. 

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17 minutes ago, mackid1993 said:

Hopefully we can agree that calling it Everbug in multiple threads isn't going to get anything fixed faster. 

I think "everbug" is very descriptive, as bugs seems to last forever 🤔

Anyway, it's an old topic (just added a status comment) and I'll stop it if it makes you feel sad.

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38 minutes ago, janndk said:

I think "everbug" is very descriptive, as bugs seems to last forever 🤔

Anyway, it's an old topic (just added a status comment) and I'll stop it if it makes you feel sad.

I've seen plenty of bugs get fixed. My point is being snarky about them isn't going to foster any good will and get them fixed any faster.

Recently the back gesture in Android was fixed. That was an annoying one that bothered many for quite a while.

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7 minutes ago, HeBoIz said:

and what about this post?

 

Each minor bug doesn't need it's own Everbug thread. None of this is going to get anything fixed. The only thing that is going to help is patiently waiting and making support aware. These are low severity bugs that are going to be prioritized lower no matter the product as development resources ie developers are time are a finite resource. To post with each android update: 'Bug not fixed! 👎👎" on several threads is not productive and quite frankly getting old, not to mention the overall angry tone of these threads which really make the community less inviting to be a part of.

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Sorry, I didn't know writing about "low severity bugs" and giving status when the app updates were prohibited in the forum. How to define when a bug is severe enough to be allowed to talk about?

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14 minutes ago, janndk said:

Sorry, I didn't know writing about "low severity bugs" and giving status when the app updates were prohibited in the forum. How to define when a bug is severe enough to be allowed to talk about?

You give a status update that comes off as kind of angry with every new android release on 3 or 4 threads that you call Everbug which really comes off as snarky and angry. It's simply mocking and just not very polite. It's not prohibited to mention some bugs you've found but the way you are going about it is not going to get the bugs fixed any quicker and it really is double posting. And yes, a menu deep into the application not sorting a note properly is a low severity bug per any software developer anywhere.

An example of a high severity bug would be if using the search function caused the app to crash, or a certain action lead to data loss. Those would be patched right away. This will be fixed, of course it will be you just have to be patient. They are rewriting large portions of the client like they've explicitly said. Just be patient and your issues that you have raised will be fixed in due time.

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Sorting notes by title is a key part of my workflow. It's quite arrogant of you to say it's not important.

I'm paying for a service. It doesn't work.

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I hope posting about it weekly, gets it fixed for you. :) No need to get so angry.I never said it wasn't important, I simply said developers have to prioritize issues which is all that is happening here. Sure bugs are annoying but it will get fixed in due time. Given that you've decided to personally attack me and call me arrogant I won't be entertaining you any longer.

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2 hours ago, mackid1993 said:

Recently the back gesture in Android was fixed. That was an annoying one that bothered many for quite a while.

Not fixed for me. Their kind of lackadaisical approach to diligently fixing quality-of-life fixes for users doesn't engender any goodwill in this user, either. [Reason bug is fixed for some and not others might(?) be related to the myriad bugs Evernote seems to have with Gboard. Though note that Evernote is the only app in over a hundred I have installed that seems to have any issues with Gboard.]

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Just now, Paul A. said:

Not fixed for me. Their kind of lackadaisical approach to diligently fixing quality-of-life fixes for users doesn't engender any goodwill in this user, either. [Reason bug is fixed for some and not others might(?) be related to the myriad bugs Evernote seems to have with Gboard. Though note that Evernote is the only app in over a hundred I have installed that seems to have any issues with Gboard.]

That was fixed a few builds back, it was even in the patch notes at the time. Previously when within a note the back gesture rather than going back to home would quit the app. They fixed it so the back gesture goes back a screen. There ARE still some weird issues with Gboard that do need to be fixed. Hopefully after they finish the UI update on desktop mobile will get an overhaul which I agree is badly needed. The Android app has gotten better but is still lacking in many ways.

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40 minutes ago, mackid1993 said:

They are rewriting large portions of the client like they've explicitly said. Just be patient and your issues that you have raised will be fixed in due time.

Same thing was said with the v10 rewrite. I was part of the pre-release beta testing of the Android app (before anyone got it publicly), and I reported an annoying bug that's still not fixed almost three and a half years later! So forgive some of us might be a little out of patience with some of these Evernote bugs.

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Just now, Paul A. said:

Same thing was said with the v10 rewrite. I was part of the pre-release beta testing of the Android app (before anyone got it publicly), and I reported an annoying bug that's still not fixed almost three and a half years later! So forgive some of us might be a little out of patience with some of these Evernote bugs.

Hopefully Bending Spoons is more competent than the team that launched v10. We can only hope for the best or migrate to a solution that better meets our needs.

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9 hours ago, janndk said:

I'm not double posting 

If the same text appears multiple times in the forum „what’s new“ view, it is a double post.

When the same text with a small change (counting weeks up) is posted in a thread again and again, it is double posting,

If in doubt, look it up in forum rules, and spare us a senseless discussion. See point 7:

https://discussion.evernote.com/guidelines/

 

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It wasn't me who started "a senseless discussion" - I just gave a simple bug-status after the app got updated.

Anyway, I get the message. Criticizing Evernote is bad. Talking about bugs is bad. I'm a bad person and should shame myself. Evernote is totally bug free, pure and perfect.

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The criticism is not what you make out of it.

The criticism is that you added identical posts to several threads without adding relevant information. This makes the forum difficult to read, especially for newcomers.

All us us have their „pet bugs“ that EN seems to have send to „long term care“. This forum would be completely dysfunctional if all of us would start posting this fact with every next release where the „beloved“ bug is still alive and kicking.

As a seasoned forum user, you know we are among users here. The way to remind EN about bugs is by a support ticket (I know …) or via feedback.

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We all have opinions, here's mine.  I haven't double checked but it seems like each bug is reported in a separate thread and then each update clearly identifies the new version and whether the problem has been fixed.  This is exactly what newcomers need.  Many who have a problem come here specifically to see if others have the same issue and whether there is a way to fix it.  These posts give very clear information on the bug status and whether it is fixed in a new version or not.

There is plenty of useless chatter on the forums, but simple, and accurate bug reporting is not it (provided they are backed up by support tickets, which in this case we are told are).  If you don't like reading the posts skip them or ignore the user.  There is no need to respond to everything.

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Finally, after waiting a month, got today a response from Evernote "support":

"We sincerely appreciate your patience while waiting for an update.
 
Our team has investigated this thoroughly. Despite our efforts, we were unable to successfully replicate the problem or identify any widespread issues.
 
While we wish we had better news to bring you this time, know that we're working hard to prevent any such issues from arising in the future. Please be assured that enhancing the user experience of Evernote remains a top priority for us.
 
Your patience and continued loyalty to our product mean a great deal to us—we truly value your support!
 
At this stage, the ticket will be closed. Should you require further assistance, please feel free to open a new one. We remain at your complete disposal."


Bug not fixed - Ticket closed. Thanks for nothing.

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Actually it seems all sorting within a stack is broken. Title, date created, date updated. I suggest taking a screen recording with your phone, creating a new ticket and attaching a screen recording so they can visualize the bug. That's what I usually do and find it helpful in getting my point across to tech support.

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I think i'm about to give up, and currently trying to figure a way out. Probably not adding any new tickets right now.

However, my subscription runs till november (i have canceled), so i might still do some ranting here from time to time. And sorry about that. It's just so frustrating when even the most simple little things aren't working and i get my workflow disturbed.

But who knows - maybe miracles happen, and bugs and deficiencies get fixed, and Everspoons turns out to be trustworthy?

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19 minutes ago, janndk said:

I think i'm about to give up, and currently trying to figure a way out. Probably not adding any new tickets right now.

However, my subscription runs till november (i have canceled), so i might still do some ranting here from time to time. And sorry about that. It's just so frustrating when even the most simple little things aren't working and i get my workflow disturbed.

But who knows - maybe miracles happen, and bugs and deficiencies get fixed, and Everspoons turns out to be trustworthy?

If your workflow isn't heavy into document management I'd suggest looking at Amplenote. They seem up and coming and similar to Evernote. I'm just not a fan of the way they handle documents currently.

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I have tried Amplenote - but it's not my thing either. Tasks-system is too complicated (for "tasks in notes"), and print/pdf-export is even worse than in Evernote. But maybe i just need to test it further.

At the moment i'm splitting my notes/projects/task to different places (Onenote, TickTick, Google Drive, Google tasks, etc...)

I have active projects and notes in Evernote - but unless it's absolutely necessary (for existing projects) i don't put anything new in there. All new stuff goes somewhere else.

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29 minutes ago, janndk said:

I have tried Amplenote - but it's not my thing either. Tasks-system is too complicated (for "tasks in notes"), and print/pdf-export is even worse than in Evernote. But maybe i just need to test it further.

At the moment i'm splitting my notes/projects/task to different places (Onenote, TickTick, Google Drive, Google tasks, etc...)

I have active projects and notes in Evernote - but unless it's absolutely necessary (for existing projects) i don't put anything new in there. All new stuff goes somewhere else.

Good luck, FYI if you happened to use Paypal to pay for your year you can probably get a refund. They have a 6 month dispute policy and if you just tell them the software is defective and support refused to help you (ie, provide them this ticket) they will refund your subscription pretty easily. You may be better off breaking up Evernote into multiples services, such as Todoist for tasks, Notion for notes, and Paperless-ng for documents. Evernote does everything all in one but nothing else really is a one stop shop in that way.

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On 2/9/2024 at 8:33 AM, janndk said:

It wasn't me who started "a senseless discussion" - I just gave a simple bug-status after the app got updated.

I really appreciated your updates. It saved me time checking each update if my work flow hindering bugs were solved or not. The clear per new version update was clear for me, not a double post in my eyes and helpful. A seperate thread for each bug was also a wonderful idea as far as I am concerned. Thx for that. I'd be sad if you stopped with that. ❤️🌹

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19 hours ago, janndk said:

I think i'm about to give up, and currently trying to figure a way out. Probably not adding any new tickets right now.

However, my subscription runs till november (i have canceled), so i might still do some ranting here from time to time. And sorry about that. It's just so frustrating when even the most simple little things aren't working and i get my workflow disturbed.

But who knows - maybe miracles happen, and bugs and deficiencies get fixed, and Everspoons turns out to be trustworthy?

sometimes it seems to me, that the developers don't use the app themselves - otherwise they would react in other ways ...

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Until I see you all happy with a version, I am NOT UPDATING.  Still on Android  v10.78.0.  Besides App flashing upon opening, all appears well. 

And, I appreciate your Posting the particular v still present w/🪲s.

Thank you.

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9 hours ago, janndk said:

EN 10.86.1 Android update today. Bug still not fixed

can't reproduce this, also on 10.86.1 - sorting on Android and iOS working perfectly , fast and smooth for me

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4 minutes ago, HeBoIz said:

can't reproduce this, also on 10.86.1 - sorting on Android and iOS working perfectly , fast and smooth for me

Sorting notes by titel in stacks?

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11 hours ago, janndk said:

EN 10.86.1 Android update today. Bug still not fixed 👎

I can't reproduce this either working ok for me on Android.

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Thanks to all of you responding (as Evernote doesn't).

I'm talking about sorting notes by title in stacks - is that what you are testing also? Sorting in a notebook working. Sorting in stacks not working.

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5 hours ago, janndk said:

Sorting notes by titel in stacks?

yes, by title as well as by edit-date or creation-date, ascending or descending

EDIT: Sorry an no, doesn't work for me in stacks (never needed anyway), only working in notebooks.  - My fault.

(By the way: wouldn't expect Evernote to follow or answer here. Bending Spoon obviously doesn't use this forum the way the former team did. Can't blame then - mood in this forum got much to negative and sometimes ignorant for me as well...)

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3 hours ago, janndk said:

I'm talking about sorting notes by title in stacks - is that what you are testing also? Sorting in a notebook working. Sorting in stacks not working.

Definitely not working for me. As you say, it works on notebooks. But if you click "Notebooks" and then select a stack the notes are not in order by title.

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Apologies I tested Notebooks which is working.

Never tried with Stacks as i have no need i only have one Stack and it is already in alphabetical order as i would like it to be.

 

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Sorting by anything in stacks is broken, not just title. I expect a lot of these issues are going to take some time to fix unfortunately they seem to be working on a lot of different things right now and most of them seem to be on Desktop and most involve adding functionality that people have been asking for, particularly for a long time such as Syntax Highlighting in code blocks that was announced today. Hopefully once they finish up some of these projects they are working on they'll take the time to work on squashing old bugs. :) 

Some of these issues may also be resolved once they roll out the new metadata sync as you are sorting by metadata and that is currently a major project.

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Not caring about existing bugs, and just focusing on creating new (and buggy) fancy features, tells a lot about the company.

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1 hour ago, janndk said:

Not caring about existing bugs, and just focusing on creating new (and buggy) fancy features, tells a lot about the company.

They are iterating at a pretty rapid pace. From a software development perspective these are lower priority bugs that will likely be fixed with RENT.

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26 minutes ago, mackid1993 said:

They are iterating at a pretty rapid pace. From a software development perspective these are lower priority bugs that will likely be fixed with RENT.

Maybe so, if that's the way Bending Spoons operate. But can a company that doesn't care about "lower priority bugs" be trusted in other cases? And how to define what is lower priority?

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Plus, they are building up quite a backlog of bugs (and the associated support tickets) however they are defined. 

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49 minutes ago, janndk said:

Maybe so, if that's the way Bending Spoons operate. But can a company that doesn't care about "lower priority bugs" be trusted in other cases? And how to define what is lower priority?

Most software developers use methodologies to classify priority for features and bugs. See this article on scrum: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scrum_(software_development). I'm not certain that is what BS is using but they probably look at how many people normally sort within stacks, knowing this is broken and based on those analytics prioritize fixing a bug like this accordingly. Personally before you mentioned this it never occurred to me to sort the notes within a stack. I would assume the amount of users using this feature is quite low, Bending Spoons would know for sure.

You have two options:

  1. Accept the feature is broken and assume it will be fixed in an indeterminate amount of time
  2. Find an alternative solution that meets your needs.

Posting on the forum isn't going to get the bug fixed any faster.

I use and pay for a ton of software and there are very few products I don't find bugs in, I normally document and report them usually with a screen recording to get my point across. Some of these bugs that I've reported for various things have been in queue to be fixed for over a year now. It's just how software development works. This is normal.

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I'm for sure gone as soon as I find another solution. 

So sad Evernote got taken over by this low quality marketing company.

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12 hours ago, janndk said:

Not caring about existing bugs, and just focusing on creating new (and buggy) fancy features, tells a lot about the company.

In his New Year blog post Federico said

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· Substantial improvements to the user experience. To date, we’ve prioritized bigger reliability issues. Yet, what often frustrates users (myself included) is a combination of many small bugs rather than one or two major issues. From January 2024, the Evernote team will work to address some of the most prominent inefficiencies, helping make Evernote’s user experience smoother than it’s ever been.

Sadly none of the bugs that effect me daily have been solved. Obviously my uses of Evernote do not involve "prominent inefficiencies". Apparently insufficient people want to search after filtering or use an internal link in a note which happens to be in a filtered or searched for list.

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1 hour ago, Mike P said:

Sadly none of the bugs that effect me daily have been solved. Obviously my uses of Evernote do not involve "prominent inefficiencies". Apparently insufficient people want to search after filtering or use an internal link in a note which happens to be in a filtered or searched for list.

Same here. I have very simple needs:
- sorting notes by title
- export notes as pdf
- occasionally print notes
- see my important tasks
But at the moment Evernote fails in all this.

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9 hours ago, janndk said:

I'm for sure gone as soon as I find another solution. 

So sad Evernote got taken over by this low quality marketing company.

That's the problem. There's nothing quite like Evernote. In that case it's best to have patience and trust that many of these bugs will be addressed as they rewrite various parts of their software stack. 

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EN 10.88.0 update today. The sorting in stacks is now even more broken. You can't even see stacks anymore. 💩

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23 minutes ago, janndk said:

You can't even see stacks anymore

I'm on 10.88 android and can see stacks in the notebook view. Is this where you're looking 

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44 minutes ago, janndk said:

EN 10.88.0 update today. The sorting in stacks is now even more broken. You can't even see stacks anymore. 💩

I have downloaded 10.88.0 on Android mobile and Stacks are visible and can be accessed as normal.

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23 minutes ago, Jon/t said:

I'm on 10.88 android and can see stacks in the notebook view. Is this where you're looking 

Yes. But viewing a stack it always shows all notes instead.

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42 minutes ago, janndk said:

But viewing a stack it always shows all notes instead

Just seeing notebooks myself. I'm on 10.88.0. Maybe a log out and in again ?

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46 minutes ago, Jon/t said:

Just seeing notebooks myself. I'm on 10.88.0. Maybe a log out and in again ?

Not trying to see notebooks, but the notes [from several notebooks] in a stack. 

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On 5/15/2024 at 8:45 PM, janndk said:

Not trying to see notebooks, but the notes [from several notebooks] in a stack. 

I am seeing these as expected 10.88.0

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I see this behavior. If you open a stack, not a notebook all notes are shown rather than just the notes in that stack. 

I'm starting to think this is a feature and not a bug. 

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7 minutes ago, mackid1993 said:

If you open a stack, not a notebook all notes are shown rather than just the notes in that stack. 

How are you opening the stack?  If I click the stack in my Notebooks page I see a listing of all the notes in all the notebooks in that stack.  In one recent case I had 152 notes in 6 notebooks in one stack,  and saw just those notes,  not the 60K+ others in my database...

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18 minutes ago, mackid1993 said:

I'm starting to think this is a feature and not a bug. 

That's one of the problems with Evernote (after Bendins Spoons' team took over) - you can't really know if something is a bug or a new fancy idea.

Anway, in this case it's clearly a bug, as it works fine in EN Windows.

Or it's a new feature in android, and then it's a bug in windows?
 

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Unless I'm misunderstanding, I don't see how selecting a discrete stack and being served every note in my account could possibly be seen as a feature rather than a bug.

Maybe EN decided they don't like how people are using stacks, similar to their decision to nix note reminders -- not because people aren't using them, but because EN doesn't like how people use them. It would be unfortunate to lose stacks.

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1 hour ago, gazumped said:

How are you opening the stack?  If I click the stack in my Notebooks page I see a listing of all the notes in all the notebooks in that stack.  In one recent case I had 152 notes in 6 notebooks in one stack,  and saw just those notes,  not the 60K+ others in my database...

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Hmmn.  Same here.  Seems to me to be consistent - select a notebook: see all the notes in that notebook.  Select a stack: see all the notes in all the notebooks in that stack.

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3 minutes ago, gazumped said:

Hmmn.  Same here.  Seems to me to be consistent - select a notebook: see all the notes in that notebook.  Select a stack: see all the notes in all the notebooks in that stack.

Are you on 10.88?

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1 hour ago, mackid1993 said:

We are talking about Android. 

Oops - forgot;  I do use 10.88.0 on my Android Tablet and get the same result...

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