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Restore Custom Font Support


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13 hours ago, icurly said:

Question- how do you enter fonts manually in the web inspector?

Hey @icurly

Pink Elephant is wrong.  It has nothing to do with anything being a "new client generation."  

You just need to do it in a browser, and, based on your comment, of CMD + OPTION + I not working, I bet you're using safari.

To be able to pull up the inspector in Safari, go to preferences, then select the advanced tab, then hit the box at the very bottom that says "Show Develop Menu In Menu Bar"

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Once that's done, go to the menu bar click 'DEVELOP', then click 'show web inspector' in the list, like in the pic. (Mine says "connect web inspector" yours will say "show". Hit it.

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Then you should see something like this:

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(It may be on the left side or right side of your screen.  Regardless, next step...)

Go to the bottom where it says New Editor, click it, then click classic editor.

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After that, select the text you want to change the font on, right click it to pull up the menu, then click "Inspect element" near the bottom of the menu.

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Okay, now, after you do that, in the inspector, the very right column is going to change. The very top section of that column will show you the inline styles that are applied to the text you just inspected.

You'll see something like this:

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Now, all you have to do is enter the font-family you want to change your text to, at the bottom of that box.Like this:

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I added "font-family: Superclarendon" to the last line in the top box.

The font I inspected changed in the editor to that font.

Switch back to the New Editor and you're all set!  Again, not all fonts work. The fonts in the list I shared are the ones that work for me.  Not sure if those work on windows. 
 

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6 minutes ago, AdamTheDesigner said:

I have not yet updated to v10. Am I understanding correctly that the Mac desktop app now limits you to 6 font choices? If so, can someone tell me what the fonts are? Thanks.

Hi Adam,

Yes- there are only 6 font choices- Serif, Slab Serif, San Serif, Monospace, Script and Handwritten. They are just generic fonts like on every other boring generic note app or browser. Ugh. SO disappointing ☹️. They are not awful fonts but VERY bare bones and basic.

I am a Graphic Designer and I have over 150,000 fonts. Not that I would activate or need that many choices all at once 🤣 but I should at least be able to select anything that is already activated in FontExplorer or Suitcase Fusion.

I mean I understand WHY Evernote did this- so the formatting would be the same across iPad, iPhone, Web, Desktop, etc. but I would never need my desktop fonts to necessarily match my iOS fonts. I work from home,  so I primate;y used Evernote Desktop. I look at the iOS Evernote iPhone & iPad Apps as a “viewing and making minor changes” Apps. Not for doing extensive work or collaborating.

 

 

 

 

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Anybody who knows a little about typography, preinstalled fonts and what fonts cost when you need or buy one could have known.

Personally I think one should decide what to do with a note program like EN. It is not a page layouter, by no means. If one needs a reactive page design (to adapt a note flexibly to the device on which it is presented), embedded layout goes to hell and is replaced by a „theme“. This is practically what the v10 client does. The fonts are part of that „theme“ used to present the note, wherever opened. For this the new font selection is sufficient.

When I need a layouted page, I use my text program (Pages on my Mac, Libre Office on PC) and embed the document into the note. If I need a print design, I use a DTP program.

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On 11/28/2020 at 2:37 PM, Daniel Slosberg said:

And Script and Handwritten -- do people really use those? 

Lol.  Now that is one heck of a question.  Seriously!

Who in the heck actually uses the curly-cue calligraphy script—let alone the handwritten script?  Anyone?

Like isn't that what drawings are for?... 

Nice point.

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Totally agree, please bring back the preference window in general!!!! I m a med student and I rely on various fonts and text sizes to make words stand out so I can remember them in a pictorial way. Having them all in the same font frustrates me so much 

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24 minutes ago, AdamTheDesigner said:

I have not yet updated to v10. Am I understanding correctly that the Mac desktop app now limits you to 6 font choices? If so, can someone tell me what the fonts are? Thanks.

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From the other side of the coin....I left EN 4 years ago and one of the reasons was that my notes were very inconsistent between devices. I don't have time to micromanage my notes so when they launched the new app and standardised fonts, I thought great!

Love the new fonts and so far all looking good for me.

Just the other point of view...

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I use Evernote everyday for work and home. I've just upgraded to Big Sur and the lack of font support in the desktop app is so disappointing. Please fix. Everything else about the new app is great but without custom fonts I might have to switch.

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I am completely very very unhappy and cannot understand why Evernote would do this.  I use Evernote almost every day and I want to be able to use custom fonts.  The new version completely trashed my documents with a mix of old and new fonts.

I cannot believe that I am paying an annual fee for a product that is worth less than before.  I don't care about styles and titles and such.  I don't care about pretty green checkboxes.  I just want custom fonts.  I am going to try to roll back to an earlier version.

Please fix this.

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6 fonts is not enough. In addition, not even the best ones were selected. A faceless middle-class of fonts.

But 6 fonts might be enough if they were. In fact, there are 6 fonts only in the Latin layout. In other cases it are far worse. Cyrillic fonts in Evernote are just awful. I wrote several feedbacks to Evernote, but they don't care at all (even though I pay them money) and I didn't get a single response.

And in general, I think that the forum was created so that people can express their dissatisfaction here. As you know, this helps to relieve tension, but does not help to solve the problem. I would be very surprised if this is not the case and Evernote will listen to opinions and adds and changes fonts.

With best wishes,

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I've just gone back to 7.14 because of the font issue. I don't need 1000 fonts, but I'd like at least one no-nonsense sans serif. I understand that Evernote did this because some users wanted the same look and feel across platforms. I'm fairly certain, though, that this wasn't the solution they were looking for.

 

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I have rolled back to V6.25 on Windows 7 . No font, no reasonable selection of font color; these things are unacceptable. Evernote, you are already struggling to hold market share. Are you simply trying to shoot yourself in the foot?

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3 hours ago, Daniel Slosberg said:

I'd like at least one no-nonsense sans serif.

I'm not much of a font user, but see "sans serif" is one of the font choices

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I'm not much of a font user, but see "sans serif" is one of the font choices

I should have been more specific. Yes, there's a "sans serif" font, but it's not exactly no-nonsense. I'd like something boring like Helvetica or Helvetica Neue, i.e., a font that doesn't call attention to itself as a font. And Script and Handwritten -- do people really use those? 

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Me too - very not happy about the limited fonts in this version.  Please bring back my ability to use whatever fonts I have!

Use Case:   I use Evernote for a variety of templates with different kind of work - planning, writing, etc.   Each one I have set up with specific fonts to help me settle into the "mindset" I want for that task.  Taking away my fonts is very frustrating and inhibits my processes!  

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You can have free font selection one each client (not compatible between operation systems), or you can have notes that look alike on all devices, independent from the OS they are running.

To have the same look & feel on all clients was one of the major user wishes here in the forum for a long time. EN decided to implement it. Now that is what we got, like it or not. At least your templates will not change when you switch between desktop and mobile, for example.

The "unified" fonts are pretty much rooted in the new editor, and I doubt this will be changed again.

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To have the same look & feel on all clients was one of the major user wishes here in the forum for a long time. 

It would be interesting to know if EN's implementation -- i.e., a choice of six fonts, none of which are standard, two of which are fonts that many users wouldn't touch with a ten foot pole -- is what the requesters were looking for.

You know how showers vary so much from bathroom to bathroom (at least here in the U.S.A.), and it's often hard to figure out how an unfamiliar one works? Settling on those six fonts is like home builders deciding to standardize bathrooms by replacing every shower with a watering can.

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What is for you a standard font ?

  • Those installed on a Mac ? Not licensed under Windows and Android.
  • Those installed with Windows ? Not licensed under Mac/iOS and Android.
  • Those installed with Android ? ... you know the answer.

Most people do not acknowledge that fonts are not free to use - they come with the OS installed on their computers, but the are under a license. If you grab fonts from aWindows computer and install them on a Mac, you are legally committing an intellectual property theft. Keep calm, nobody will probably sue you for it.

But a company like EN can’t handle it like this. There are no „Standard“ fonts that work on all computers and mobiles. So nothing to „bring back“. Instead EN has installed a set of fonts inside of their client. By this notes will be shown with the same set of fonts, wherever opened.

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I can understand the need for consistency across devices but the limited font set is a poor solution. It’s like going back to the year 1995.  
 

I would think that most people who create documents expect to be able to control the fonts they’re using or st least have a wide selection of fonts to use.  

As a paid subscriber, I expect EN to support a broader set of fonts.  Even if fonts cost money on each platform where they’re used, I would think that they could custom-develop more than six fonts.   
 

I wonder if EN could leverage universal web fonts that are available on all platforms such as those on this article?  After all, EN seems to use some CSS elements (true?). I realize that standard availability is not the same as standard appearance.

https://blog.hubspot.com/website/web-safe-html-css-fonts

Another option would be to enable users to purchase custom fonts.

Finally, it would go a long way if EN were to actually share a roadmap of what we can expect.  I’m sure they will continue to improve things but I’m not clear what those things will be.

 

 

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Did you know that web fonts (like Google fonts) are used for tracking you on the internet ?

Not a good idea ...

Maybe EN thinks to get more fonts installed on the client one day - though I would not count on it. If you need a neatly layouted document, use a word processor or a page layout program, and embed the document into the EN note.

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Thanks Pink. I didn’t know the web fonts were used for tracking so that’s probably not a good idea.

Nonetheless at the end of the day Evernote is a text editor and a text editor should give you the ability to format a document the way that you would like. If I wanted to attach documents I would just create documents and keep them in Mac Files instead and not use Evernote at all.  

At the end of the day I think there Hass to be a way that the very smart people at Evernote can figure out how to have more than six fonts to their program so that people can customize their documents and have them look consistent across platforms.  

I think we can agree to disagree on this.  It seems like you fall into the camp that consistency is more important than appearance. That’s fine.
 

But I believe that it should be possible to both have well formatted and attractive documents (with multiple fonts) that are also consistent across all platforms. I just don’t think that’s unreasonable. 

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On 12/8/2020 at 5:32 PM, Theday1smine said:

There are more fonts available in the new v10 editor than in the list.

You just have to manually enter them via the web inspector.  

These are the one's I've found to work, and render accross desktop & Ios.  https://www.evernote.com/shard/s385/sh/4557f2eb-b795-39cf-2b9c-7e0615fe1bd1/d6c44bbc16b7f7f7cae3382a965f59a4

 I use Evernote Plus on a Mac. How can I access the web inspector? I could not find it anywhere. Thanks. 

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The method is called browser fingerprinting. When you open a web site, a TON of information about your browser and computer is transmitted, in the background. Officially it is done to adapt the delivered content to your individual setup. But it is used as well to identify you !

If you want to check, here is one link that does it, and explains in detail (below your test result) how individual which setting of your browser is.

https://coveryourtracks.eff.org

In my case (I run pretty tough security that makes me hard to track) the only really individual mark was my combination of 179 installed fonts. This combination was unique among more than 2 million browsers tested.

Since I need a bunch of fonts for DTP, my only chance to avoid this fingerprint being spread on the web all over is to use a secure browser. Safari and Brave are pretty good, as well Firefox with some plugins.

And forget about ANY privacy while using Chrome !

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30 minutes ago, PinkElephant said:

The method is called browser fingerprinting. When you open a web site, a TON of information about your browser and computer is transmitted, in the background. Officially it is done to adapt the delivered content to your individual setup. But it is used as well to identify you !

If you want to check, here is one link that does it, and explains in detail (below your test result) how individual which setting of your browser is.

https://coveryourtracks.eff.org

In my case (I run pretty tough security that makes me hard to track) the only really individual mark was my combination of 179 installed fonts. This combination was unique among more than 2 million browsers tested.

Since I need a bunch of fonts for DTP, my only chance to avoid this fingerprint being spread on the web all over is to use a secure browser. Safari and Brave are pretty good, as well Firefox with some plugins.

And forget about ANY privacy while using Chrome !

Thanks Pink.  So is web inspector only available in a web browser?  It's not part of Evernote itself?

 

Thanks to you I learned about Fingerprinting and I would agree it's something we need to be wary of and avoid.

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I just downloaded the new Evernote for Mac and I completely regret it.  I hate the font changes - I hate all of the default fonts.  I didn't use any custom fonts but the ones that had been included were WAY better than these 6 awful fonts.  I don't even enjoy looking at what I'm typing anymore.

PLUS... it has completely removed the formatting in my notes so now the bullets are missing.  A terrible terrible update.

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On 12/8/2020 at 4:32 PM, Theday1smine said:

There are more fonts available in the new v10 editor than in the list.

You just have to manually enter them via the web inspector.  

These are the one's I've found to work, and render accross desktop & Ios.  https://www.evernote.com/shard/s385/sh/4557f2eb-b795-39cf-2b9c-7e0615fe1bd1/d6c44bbc16b7f7f7cae3382a965f59a4

Hi T,

Question- how do you enter fonts manually in the web inspector? When I am in Evernote Web (Mac) and I select "CMD + OPTION + I"   A tiny pop-up window appears like this. That is it! Obviously I am doing something wrong. I am not familiar with the Evernote Web App as much, I usually access Evernote though Mac Desktop and my iPad.

Thank you!

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Simple answer: With the new client generation, you can’t.

It is font selection based on what is installed on an individual computer vs. notes that show the same on all devices.

EN decided (based on many user asking for it in the past) to go for a unified experience on all devices. Thus a small number of fonts preinstalled into the app, and that is it.

If you need Layout control, use a word processor or a page layout program, and attach the document to a note.

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Hi Pink,

I understand there are "work arounds" but I don't want to use a layout program. I am a Graphic Designer and already have a ton of page layout programs. Evernote WAS great because I was able to create all of my personal notes in ONE program and I had complete control of fonts, colors, layout, etc. without resorting text boxes, "stylized pages", etc.

With Evernote's latest update, Evernote is just like every other boring "preset" note program (ie. Apple Notes, etc.) Having control of my fonts, colors, layout, etc. was what made me choose Evernote. I don't want all of my notes to look exactly the same. I've been with Evernote (Premium Member) since 2011 and I am considering switching/downgrading. It's not worth the $$ if I can't get my notes to look the way I want.

I had hundreds of notes and now they are all fuc*ed up. The formatting, sizing, layout is a complete mess. I've spent HOURS on these notes. This is a HUGE problem and disappointment.

Evernote's latest update is perfect if you want NO control of fonts, sizing, colors and you want it to look exactly the same across iPad, iPhone, Desktop, etc. Ugh 🙁

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Don’t that this now too serious: You font-loving fricklers now had your go for 10yrs +, with broken notes for the rest of us when we switched between devices. Now it is our turn, with nicely set notes independent from the device, all looking the SAME, like it or not. Let‘s say to make it fair - for the next 10 years ?!

Serious: I understand your problem, especially after probably investing a lot of time and effort into a nice layout of your native notes. Probably you are what EN CEO calls their power user base. If you read it carefully, he states that he is after growing the user base (especially those who pay) instead of digging deeper into pleasing those chosen few. So I would rather expect a selection of some cute kitty note stickers for the future than the return of custom fonts.

Just my 5 ct ...

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Yep! I am a font loving frickler 🤣. But in all seriousness, there are actually more than a few people upset by this. This update effects a lot of people and NOT in a good way. Everyone uses Evernote for different purposes and you can’t please everyone...

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Awesome! Thank you SO much for this! I was using Safari and I did not have the developer tools open. I will definitely give this a try. Who, knows- maybe some of my favorites can be resurrected! Thank you again for the detailed walk-thu. I REALLY appreciate it! 🙂

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Do bring back the Show Fonts function, please.

6 fonts are quite limited for Asian languages. Unlike English letters, Chinese characters 漢字 look all the same in these 6 fonts. There's actually no font option for Chinese or Japanese text.

Fonts are essential to me. I'm considering canceling my Premium subscription and looking for another option.

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