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Of course you can offer your opinion, but this is a very strange stance to take. Tags, notebooks and links serve entirely different purposes. A wise Evernote user knows how to use them as appropriate. Using links exclusively would be a very poor way to operate for many people; they just do not do what tags or notebooks do, thus robbing an Evernote user of powerful categorization and organizational functionality. Sure, Evernote could be better, but having different options is a strength, not a weakness. Each of the aforementioned bits of functionality are useful, and they gain even more utility when used together. The curious thing is that you do web search using literal text (and there's a more complex way of searching available beyond what most people use); you don't find things on the web just using links. Remember Yahoo? They tried that; that approach lost, convincingly. Text search in Evernote doesn't work the same way as it does in Google, but it does work. Beyond that, tags allow a user to categorize (read "describe") notes in ways that are meaningful to them. I use them in ways that mirror what we learn early on to do with language, as nouns and adjectives. I don't find them difficult to organize or maintain because I don't spend much organizing tags; I'd much rather use tags to organize my data. Again, links do not do what tags do. Using tags as a vocabulary to describe your notes is no less intuitive (whatever that means) than links; we learn to use language to describe our world very early on in our lives; what is the parallel for links? Side note: for those people who do use tags to form hierarchies meaningful for their purposes; it's indeed a drawback that the hierarchies are not exposed on some devices. That's a flaw in tag implementation, not a flaw in the utility of tags. Um, that's exactly why tags are useful: a note can belong to more than one category at a time, validly. Notebooks have a different meaning in Evernote; they partition your notes nto discrete sets . I use notebooks sparingly, but in Evernote, they have at least one important usage: you can share individual notes, or individual notebooks. I share several notebooks between my two accounts, and I use notebooks to do it; this generally works well for me. Sorry, but this is misguided. Linked notes do not do this in a way that's convenient for many users, because many Evernote users are comfortable with search. Links are nowhere present in search. Linked structures do not scale well in general: using links to organize a large and varied set of notes will force you into trawling down through a trail of linked notes. Even Wikis, which use links a lot, support search, because it's faster and more convenient for many use cases. And please stop using "intuitive" to describe links. They are not intuitive; they are learned functionality, as is a lot of computer functionality. Most humans learn to use language earlier than we learn the concept of linking. This. Will. Never. Happen. The upshot of your suggestion here deprecates use of tags exactly how? If they are available in search and behave as they did before, why would any software company go through the added gyrations to deprecate them and/or change their underlying implementation so that they behave exactly as before? That would be madness. Oh, and by the way, I am a pretty avid tag user, but I choose not use the note title naming schemes that others find useful. Please do not conflate these two usages. I don't want my titles mucked with; tags work fine as they are, thanks very much. Link creation is certainly something that could be improved. And links themselves could be improved: in particular, links that point to specific locations inside a note would be very useful. All of this has been proposed via feature requests before, but nowhere have I seen them be promoted as the one true solution for Evernote. Links are just one of a set of tools that you can use to organize and navigate your notes. A carpenter has a number of tools in their toolbox; you don't build a house using only a hammer. And have you forgotten that "using the internet" often starts with a search, not a link? Me, I used to keep trees of bookmarks, until organizing bookmarks became a chore (because links don't scale well). Now I keep a small collection of frequently used bookmarks, but search generally suffices for the rest. Much faster and more direct then pawing through a tree of bookmarks. Sorry, but your post makes little sense for many current Evernote users. You criticize tags without seeming to understand what they're good for. There is no best single way to organize and navigate your notes. There are approaches and methodologies that work for certain usages; links alone are not sufficient to encompass them all; neither are tags or notebooks.

While I'm not willing to 'foment' this topic, I am willing to move it to a feature request forum so it can garner upvotes (and maybe be merged with other existing mind-mapping requests)...

This appears to be a feature request. making it so...

This is the Windows Evernote application, correct? The panel with the dark background is called th e"Left Panel". You can close it to a minimum size, with icons showing for each main item, bot you cannot make it disappear. Menu item is View / Left Panel. Keyboard shortcut is F10. The middle panel is the "Note List". You can make it disappear using the menu item View / Note List, or the keyboard shortcut F11.

Note that the current subforum that this is in is for general (i.e., not platform specific) requests. But it would be a nice feature for other platforms, too, particularly if these settings were syncable to other platforms. I'm guessing that there's a case a user wanting different sort criteria on a different devices, and also there's a case for having the settings sync for shared notebooks, though they should be overridable if the person that the notebook is shared to wants a different ordering. Upvoted, as amended.

You can do this in the Windows Evernote client: set up your notebook the way you like it, click on the notebook name in the left panel, and select "Remember View Settings". I don't know whether Evernote clients on other OS's support this, or whether view settings are synced to other devices or Evernote instances.

Some folks do use the tag trees to navigate notes, but I've never found that useful,; since tag names are unique, and I prefer to use simple, generic that work in combination with other tags, I don't spend a lot of time creating tag hierarchies. Once in a while I'll go in and do a spring cleaning, but it's not critical to my workflow which depends on searches, not tag tree navigation. Basically, the idea is to use tags to organize my notes, but don't spend time organizing tags...

Well, golly, that should be a simple change...

The stated reason, back several years ago, was that the secret menu was intended more for use under supervision of support folks. Some of these operations are potentially harmful, you know. But since it's more or less an open secret at this point, it should be documented. And caveated, precisely because they are potentially harmful.

I see my stacks in all versions of Evernote, including the new web beta (Windows/Chrome). If you need arbitrarily nested notebooks, then Evernote has never been the tool for you. I use stacks somewhat to organize my relatively small number of notebooks on my two accounts, but tags are mainly how I organize notes. If OneNote works better for you, then you should use it. I don't find it frustrating at all. I use folders mainly for sharing between my accounts; tags generally fill the rest of my organizational needs. But tags are not for everyone...

Once again, it's not much harder to expose advanced calculations then it is to expose the easier ones. The hard part is exposing the cell/range referencing so that it's reasonable for users to make their own formulas. You could assume A1, B2, etc. like everyone else, but that's not currently exposed to the user at it is in a true spreadsheet. So now you have to accept some UI unclarity, or redesign tables to accommodate. And gee, it sure would be nice to reference a different table in the same note (or in a different note, whee!) but tables don't have names at this time. Sort that out, and math/formulas are pretty easy, though you need to watch out for circular references, etc. But it's the first step that's harder, and that's the basis for everything else. Well, after that, I suppose formatting would be necessary, though you can expose that with functions, I suppose. I'm not saying it wouldn't be cool / useful, mind. Your suggestion to link to a Google sheet is good, or you could embed an Excel (or whatever) spreadsheet right in a note. Right now, that's the only way...

Sure, I understand. I read the discussion. I would take issue with the claim that "there are two categories of people...", as I do with those types of statements in general: life is often more of a spectrum, and less either-or; it's a gross over-simplification. "There are two types of people: those who believe in black-and-white, and those who believe in spectra." Yada-yada. But that's beside the point. It's not a matter of people who work on projects vs those that don't; as I said earlier; there are a lot of people who work on projects large and small in Evernote who really, really don't need nested notebooks, even though they understand hierarchical structures in great detail, and use them elsewhere. But to claim that there's some causal connection between working on projects and understanding hierarchies just seems naive. So I'll disclaim that bit. I will point out that there is no "best" solution for everyone, because, as you know, everyone is not the same (and maybe that's an argument in favor of adding nested notebooks; a way to rope in people who can't grok tags). Nevertheless, People do seem to successfully work on projects in Evernote with what's at hand. So the problem is that some Evernote users want nested notebooks, and Evernote doesn't have them. And it's totally valid to request them. I'm not here to dissuade you from that, though pretty much all of the the pros/cons around that have been discussed pretty thoroughly here. Let me repeat: you're not wrong to ask for it.. But you can't change Evernote, and neither can I, and since Evernote doesn't provide nested notebooks, what then? The options are to use Evernote or to use something else. I'm not here to convince to do one or the other; I have no stake in your decision. My feeling is that we should use tools that work for us. If you use Evernote, and you're having trouble using it, I will try to help you if I can. Since you posed a question about how to handle a certain fuzzy, hypothetical, underspecified scenario, I assumed that you were sincere in trying to find the answer, or at least an approach, and I'd be happy to try to help (though you'd need to be more specific about what you're trying to do). If you're more interested in making a point rather than being helped, and making more arguments about why nested notebooks are needed, that's fine too, and again, I'll be just as happy to withdraw. You're just trying to solve a problem with Evernote, as are we all.

Never seen this, and I clip fairly often. Sorry.

First, your question presupposes that there are levels of nesting associated with a project that are required for finding things. What do they represent? If your question isn't just rhetorical or hypothetical, then more information would be needed as to what the levels entail. Hierarchy might not be necessary for your use case, despite your assumption that it is. For me, the first step would be to create a project tag, and apply it to the 50+ notes. If there wasn't one already, I'd create a project summary as well; that would be my starting point into the project. So right there, you can now easily filter your note database down to that set of notes, across any notebook structure you care to construct; one likely possibility is that you' dedicate a single notebook to the project. That would make sharing with other users easier. I think you may have a mistaken assumption here: Selecting a tag doesn't automatically show you all of the notes that have tags that are children of the original tag, unless they also have the original tag (note that the Windows Evernote client _does_ allow you do do this as an option, but I thought that it was awkwardly implemented, and not particularly useful to me).Again, more information would be required before I would say whether doing that was a good idea or not. Of course, if you're just setting up a straw man here, rather trying to work better in Evernote as it is today...

Is this for a particular Evernote client? E.g., Windows, Mac, Android, iOS, web?

It's really nothing to do with working on projects or not - hint, I've used Evernote happily for many projects, large and small at work for 10 years, and I know that many other folks have as well. Note that I don't use tags as a navigational hierarchy; I use them as a descriptive language that allows me to find things pretty easily via search. My tag tree (Windows client) is almost always kept closed, and I spend little time organizing them. By now my mini tag language is pretty stable, though new projects at work tend to get their own tags. I can and do make table-of-content notes, with direct link to tie related notes together if need be. I do understand that people want, maybe even need this, and it's certainly fair to ask for it. Let's face it; this topic is itself ~10 years old, and the issues have been pretty roundly discussed, including your points. It may happen some day, and hopefully that will make it easier for some folks to work better with Evernote. Good luck.

I use reminders for this, as it works well with snippet view, which I use almost exclusively, as well as card view and thumbnail view (doesn't work with the list views, unfortunately). Reminders form a separate, collapsible list above your note list, and it can be independently sorted from your note list, or even sorted arbitrarily by dragging notes up and down the list. I find this to be super handy for keeping important notes readily available.

Windows? Mac? Web? More detail would be helpful. "every time I sort my notes, they revert back to where they were before. " doesn't really say enough -- what are you doing between setting sort order? Exiting Evernote? Moving to a different notebook? On Windows, the last sort should 'stick'. You can also set specific sorting / view options for specific notebooks and have them be remembered (right-click on notebook / Remember View Settings)

You should ask on the Mac OS forum, here: https://discussion.evernote.com/forum/219-evernote-for-mac/ For Windows users, as I understand it, user.dic is no longer used as the dictionary file, due to the underlying framework that Evernote uses. The dictionary that they use is in a binary format, and not generally user-editable.

Drag/drop of notebooks in the notebook list of the new Evernote beta web client seems to work for me on Chrome/Windows.

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Well, at a guess, in that case, the Evernote application isn't running then, and the Evernote window (presumably the 'ENMainFrame' window class in the script isn't around, so it can't be activated. I suppose if that's the case, then the AHK script could try to launch the Evernote application...

Fortunately, it's unlikely that they'd force you to use sub-notebooks...

Now that you've started your Windows shortcuts expose', maybe you can follow it up with a "things that Evernote for Windows does in the background besides editing": Syncing Re-indexing the database Thumbnail generation? Calculating "largest smallest dimension"? Bitcoin mining?

Yeah, @CalS... ? The thumbnails do seem to be a little slow at coming in, I gave up waiting for a couple that didn't show for in a few minutes. Not sure whether the thumbnails are generated locally or on the servers, but it seems like if you can display the note, you can generate the thumbnail in whatever resolution you need, so it's a bit of a mystery. Oh well, back to the view-that-will-not-be-named...