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Yeah, it seems kind of nitpicky, but my QA folks would have never let something like this out of the building, back in the day. But you're right -- I should get Ctrl+Alt+F back into my fingers. I do use my tags pretty religiously. Thanks.

@VincentC and @Jon/t - Glad that it's working for you, but to me it's careless/sloppy coding and an obstacle to good flow in the program. And has been noted by others previously. Look at Google Search in your browser, for example (if you use that). It actually does a similar thing: you click on the search area (which looks like a text control), and indeed, a dialog comes up, but what's UI-nice about it is that your blinking cursor is in a new text box, which is right where the pseudo text box you clicked in, at the right place you'd expect it to be you'd clicked in a normal text box control. No visual discontinuity at all. The Evernote way leaves the mouse cursor where it was (as it should) but moves the blinking text cursor down by a fair distance. This is not good UI, at all. If they bothered to align the two text boxes (the faux text box that you clicked in initially, and the one you actually type into), then that would be correct. And there's no UI or other functional reason that I can see to do things the Evernote way. But hey, what do I know. I only wrote software for 40+ years, including, yes, complicated UI. This should not be complicated.

Hmmmm, anyone you know????

A further thought -- this may seem like a small thing, but when you have 10,000+ notes, search is very important. If every time you attempt a search, you get banged on the knuckles because of a strange/undeft UI choice, it's a productivity tripwire.

Boot17 -- thanks for the reply. That's exactly what I'm talking about. I appreciate the response (and I don't feel so crazy after all).

Hi VincentC -- thanks for replying. Yes, that's exactly what I see. The thing that's weird for me is that I click in what seems to look like a text entry control on the main screen (labeled 'Search): Normally, focus would remain there, and you type whatever you want to search for, with maybe some options appearing down below. Instead, a whole new dialog pops up: The text entry cursor and window focus is now in *that* 'Search' text control. And there's the normal search stuff as noted above. The jarring thing is that you've typed into what seems to be a text control; the expectation is that your text entry focus would remain there and you would do the search. Plus the 'Search' label moves spatially. More awkwardness. And to display the extra options (Select Mode - Standard/AI-Powered, RECENT SEARCHES, SAVED SEARCHES, GO TO..., ADD FILTER), those should appear under the original text control. Instead, there's the weird effect of clicking in what looks like a text control and having a whole new dialog pop up, when you're just wanting to type some text (text controls let you enter text, they generally don't pop up a dialog; that's what buttons are for). Maybe that thing that I think looks like a text control isn't that at all, but instead, is a button. That's confusing/ambiguous, too -- it looks like a text control. Why does it grow when you resize the left panel? There's no need for it to do so if it's a button; there would be if it's a text control. Again, I did a fair bit of Windows UI work in the past, with resizable dialogs and such, controls that resize (or not), etc.; this is not good UI, in my opinion. Me, I would have that be an actual text control, with a grayed out 'Search' label, such as it looks like now. You click in it, and you stay there, the grayed out 'Search' label goes away, and the rest of the actual Search UI (the SELECT MODE Standard / AI-Powered bit, the RECENT SEARCHES bit, SAVED SEARCHES and GOTO... ) pops up, anchored to the bottom of the text control (with resizability and all), and you can just type away, unfazed by the weird jump.

Version: 10.97.3-win-ddl-public (20240718185432) Editor: v178.17.7 Service: v2.1.2 What's with the awkward Search UI on the main page of the Windows Evernote client? Just noticed it a couple of days ago. I don't use Evernote as often as I used to, but is this new? OK, so there's a 'Search' box with a magnifying glass icon, in the left-hand column, above the Note, Task, and Event buttons. It sure looks like a text entry control. I want to enter a search, so I click on that control, and rather than allow me to enter text directly in that control, up pops a new dialog, also with a magnifying glass icon, and covering the original (faux?) text control (and below is some shortcuts for Select Mode - Standard/AI-Powered, RECENT SEARCHES, SAVED SEARCHES, GO TO..., ADD FILTER). Focus is properly set to the new text control (so yay?), but this just seems weird to me, and I mentally startle every time I try to use it, because it's so unexpected and unlike other UI that I'm familiar with. Wouldn't it be better (i.e., less user-surprising) to just use the original text box, and pop up the RECENT SEARCHES, SAVED SEARCHES, GO TO..., ADD FILTER stuff in a dialog underneath, anchored to the bottom of the text box? Other quibbles: Why, when I click on the Help / Help & Learning or Help / Quick Tour, does it bring up the web client? I was a Windows developer for a long time, including UI stuff, and this stuff seems like it's just breakin' all the rules, for no good reason...

Yeah, I'm liking the retirement thing... Uhhh, by the way, what day is is today??? 🧓😀

Jeepers, I'm still #4 on the Leaderboard / Top Members list. How 'bout that?

I think that that may have worked, in retrospect. I feel like a newbie all over again! Thanks! Glad to see that a bunch of the old gang is still on the job!

I think you might be onto something there -- it was an old work notebook, and I did have a separate account for that. I retired about a year ago, and haven't needed Evernote as much since then, and have forgotten all of the rules (well, most of them). --dumbFun; Thanks!

So I retired a year or so ago. Hadn't gotten around to reorganizing notes from my old job until today. Had a bunch of notes in a notebook that was misnamed, so I thought, OK, let's rename it. Evernote refused. Why? I don't know. No error message; just the "Rename" entry on the right-click menu grayed out and unresponsive (other notebooks *could* be renamed, just not this one). Dumb fun #1. So OK, let's just create a new notebook, and move the notes over. Seemed easy enough. So go to the source notebook, and try to select all of the notes therein (there were over 1,000). Whoops, cannot select more than 100 notes at a time. Dumb fun #2. Well damn, I'll just select 100 at a time and move them to the new notebook by dragging the selection to the new notebook. Well, moving 100 notes takes a bit of time, more than a minute for sure. Dumb fun #3. Why is this so slow? OK, so after about of half an hour of selecting 100, and then dragging them to the new folder, it's done. Then I look at the updated dates for these notes, and their Updated dates are changed to the time that they were moved (the notes all now say "Last edited on Jun 17, 2024". I did not change the contents of the notes, just their containing notebook. Updated date should not change -- it's important information!. Dumb fun #5. Then I look back at the original source notebook, and see that it still contains one note. ??? Try moving that several times (via dragging to the new notebook, and via right-click/Move...). Nope, that note stays behind in the notebook-that-should-now-be-empty. Dumb fun #6. OK, I'm somewhat literate in programming (only 40 years of development experience). I'll just make a new dummy note in the old notebook, and move the duplicated note over to the new one, and then delete the old notebook. Nope -- it doesn't move; the old notebook contains 2 notes: the one I'm trying to move, plus the new dummy note. So I decide to take a peek into the new notebook, and lo, there are now several copies of that same note in the new notebook. This does not conform with any rational behavior that I'm familiar with. Dumb fun #7. One last try: given that all of the notes from the original notebook are now resident in the new notebook (modulo the updated date fiasco), let's just try to delete the old notebook with the two duped -- and seemingly undeletable -- notes. RIght-click on it, no "Delete notebook" option. ?!?!? (or rather #$%^&@). Oh wait, there is a 'Leave notebook' option, don't know what it means, but let's try that. Hmmm, well the notebook has now left the stack it was in. But I can now delete those two pesky duplicate (-ish) notes. Hooray! But still cannot delete the now-empty notebook. Dumb fun #8. Giving up at this point. Edit: just for the record, version info: 10.92.3-win-ddl-public (20240612161827) Editor: v178.12.0 Service: v1.113.6 © 2019 - 2024 Evernote Corporation. All rights reserved

Kind of a strange take on Dylan -- and Evernote -- there. Sure, he lost some folkie purists, but so what? His songs are known and loved by millions, and I'm guessing even some of those folkies came back around eventually. BTW, he was originally a rock'n'roller (think Elvis and Little Richard) before he became a folkie in Greenwich Village. He moved back to rock, and later to country and wrote great songs in all musical genres that he chose, a true artist, defined by his work, and not by any genre. But Evernote is a company, not a person, with very few, if any, of the original folks remaining at this point. Maybe it'll make a huge turnaround under the new ownership; it's hard to tell. I'd say it's unlikely they'll follow Dylan's path, however...

Hopefully, that's what's going to happen. The company I work for was bought out by a Canadian company -- we're both sort-of in the same general realm of computer mapping, but our focuses are different. The arrangement that they have with us is that if we keep making profits and hitting or targets, they stay pretty much hands-off. So far, so good (it's been 11 or 12 years with that arrangement).

re: paying for free users Not an issue with me. Evernote provides me with a service that works for me, at a cost that seems fair, and that I can afford, and I'm happy to do pay for it. That's pretty much what matters to me. If other folks are able to use the free version (I probably couldn't, at least easily), that's fine by me. Life's too short for me to be worrying about who's getting a better deal on my nickel, with respect to Evernote, or other parts of my world for that matter. I've much more important things to worry about -- in fact, I've never, ever thought of it in those terms before. Maybe I'd rather be seen to be a sucker than a Scrooge...

As someone who signed on during the running tape days (hated it), but caught up shortly thereafter into the notebook/tag/note configuration, and who was one of the so-called forum "Evangelists" here, who knew all of the tricks and traps of the older Windows versions, I can tell you that I never got seriously frustrated over the changes that have occurred since. Sure, some bumps in the road here and there; well, that's software for you (I write software for a living), but nothing fatal to me. I long ago came to find a simpler way of using Evernote that suits my workflows, was adaptable to some new ones when I changed jobs, and didn't need to change much across the Windows native version and the cross-platform versions. Sure, I kicked the tires on OneNote (a couple of slightly different versions, if I remember), Notion, and other such like. But moving my Evernote data over was onerous and imperfect, and none of the other contenders offered me any real reason to switch. My methods have remained, more or less intact, for 20 years or so. They'd probably work for one of the contenders, too, but there's just nothing compelling enough to make me want to bother. For a long time, I've held that with many popular, mature (i.e. with lots of features) pieces of software -- take MS Word, for example -- have a central core comprising, say 20% of their functionality, that nearly everyone uses 80% of the time, but that the other 20% of the time is spent some small percentage of the remaining 80% of the functionality. That is, most people don't make use of the entire set of facilities, and there's little overlap of features used between different users, except for the common core of functionality. So if you get that central sweet spot right, you're probably going to do well for most people. Evernote pretty much hits that sweet spot for me, and for a lot of other folks as well, I'd guess. Re: the "free" tier -- I use a free version for work, and a paid Personal version for my personal use. I share some notebooks in each to the other account; seems to work fine. The work thing will probably not be important soon enough, as retirement beckons ever less faintly, so if the free tier goes away, then I should be able to adapt for as long as I need to.

I kind of enjoyed that. I'm not pining to hear the latest speculations on what Bending Spoons might do, or not do, to Evernote (just don't ***** it up, Spooners, mkay?), but I did like the look back at what he and his team accomplished in the industry. Making products for people to use, and find useful, and stick around, is hard, especially when there's no analogue out there already. I'm thinking Visicalc. Wordstar. Web browsers. Nothing really like those existed before; now everyone has their choice of a spreadsheet and a word processor and a web browser ready to hand. It's interesting to think back at the roots of the technology that we take for granted nowadays. I've been in the business for 40 years now, seen this in action. Remember the first time you saw an application that had -- and could display -- all of the streets in the USA included on a single CD? I was there for that. Nowadays, we have Google Maps (or whatever) online all the time, and it doesn't seem like a thing anymore. But there was no such thing back then, and I saw -- at a Comdex -- people being astounded by our product, and want to buy it on the spot. A large number of people were astounded by Evernote, myself included, and those moments, however fleeting -- which he references -- are something that I can enjoy.

Yep, that's how I roll. Plus, I'm old.

Now all we need is @BurgersNFriesand we can have a real party!

I will note, with a somewhat ironically raised eyebrow, that the landing page of Bending Spoons (https://bendingspoons.com/) says the following: At Bending Spoons, we create our own cutting-edge technologies and products. Yeah, lots of marketing blah-blah-blah lies thereabouts. I'll be curious to see how this plays out. Cautiously curious...

Geez, guess I gotta come up from outta the weeds to comment on this news. So, longtime, since 2008 -- and still current -- Evernote user, ex- forum busybody (when you post count's in the 5 digit range, sometimes you need to assess where your time's going). Anyway, I take this news with equanimity. Acquisitions aren't necessarily all bad, nor do they mean that the acquirer will necessarily change the acquiree's overall strategy / focus (i.e., speaking to the fears that Bending Spoon's iOS's predilection will necessarily harm Evernote's Android progress). My experience: I work for a 20+ year-old software development company that had its roots as a niche producer of software to perform mapping coordinate conversions. The original company kept chugging along at a relatively low level of growth, with a small number of employees, but eventually the founder wanted to pursue other goals, so sold the company to a 3rd party. That was fine, but the new owners wanted to grow more aggressively, and started looking for some other company to acquire, in the same realm of mapping. They found a very small (single person) but highly regarded general mapping company, and negotiated to buy it. The product that this company offered had overlap with that of the original company, but was otherwise much larger in scope, and hence had more potential for growth (note that this was a couple of years before I joined, nearly 10 years ago). Since then, they've continued to grow their original product, and add new staff -- including me -- by about 6- or 7-fold -- still a small company in the grand scheme of things -- and also grow the acquired product to the point where it's now the major revenue producer for us by far. Oh, and they kept on the original owner Moral: not all acquisitions are for the purposes of gutting the acquiree for talent in order to improve ones' current offerings. Sometimes the idea is to find a company that is going to help you to grow into new markets with new technology, which hopefully has synergy with your current line. The above being said; I had never heard of Bending Spoons or their products (and missed the reference, too), and the scale of my experience is smaller than that of the Evernote acquisition, but hey, maybe some good Italian espresso will help things along for the Evernote crew. I wish them all well.

Latest update (at least the Windows version 10.42.7-win-ddl-public (3561)) might help some folks: start a new note -- you're start at the top of the note type your note's title in the main text at any point thereafter, clicking your mouse in the note title area or pressing Shift+Tab causes the note's first line to be copied to the Note's title I guess that it won't help folks who want to have a note title that's different from the first line of the note all that much, or those who want to start a new note in the note title area. *shrug*

Just to point out something that you probably already know: a common code base is fine as far as it goes, but at some point, your common code base can rest upon different OSes, each with its own way of doing things (copy/paste between different applications would be a pretty good example, I'd guess), unless your platform abstracts those differences away as well. Since I barely know Thing 1 about Electron's APIs, I can't comment with any authority on how that works in in that environment, but my guess is that a common code base providing perfect behavioral fidelity among different OS's is more aspirational than real, though I'd sure believe that it helps out a lot. Edit: and of course, depending on a platform of any kind, whether it's an OS or a cross-OS platform like Electron means that you're still at risk from regressions in whatever lays beneath your code.

Well, by golly, yes it can. It's not gonna run embedded Javascript or anything like that, and it might have some problems with linked files, but you can generally open HTML documents in Word. In Windows File Explorer, right-click on the file, select "Open With...", then select "Word", if it's there. If it isn't, you select "Choose another app", and find Word from there. When you've managed that, then you should get a dialog that says "Convert File"; choose "HTML Document" and it should open in Word. It's not entirely faithful to the formatting (is that Evernote's fault, or MS's? Google Docs seems to handle it better), but the text content should be there at least... Note that I never, not once, disagreed with the idea that docx would be a useful export target. My opinion is that HTML is probably a better cross-program format, but that's neither here nor there. Making the determination as to whether .docx would be a cost-effective export target for Evernote to provide isn't up to me, though.

I see this as well, with the Windows client, just updated to version 10.39.6-win-ddl-public (3451), Editor: v150.2.18380, Service: v1.53.4 It works fine with the same free account, on the same machine, using the Windows client, version 10.38.3, and also on Android version 10.32.1 (non-free account)