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  1. Kind of a strange take on Dylan -- and Evernote -- there. Sure, he lost some folkie purists, but so what? His songs are known and loved by millions, and I'm guessing even some of those folkies came back around eventually. BTW, he was originally a rock'n'roller (think Elvis and Little Richard) before he became a folkie in Greenwich Village. He moved back to rock, and later to country and wrote great songs in all musical genres that he chose, a true artist, defined by his work, and not by any genre. But Evernote is a company, not a person, with very few, if any, of the original folks remaining at this point. Maybe it'll make a huge turnaround under the new ownership; it's hard to tell. I'd say it's unlikely they'll follow Dylan's path, however...
  2. Hopefully, that's what's going to happen. The company I work for was bought out by a Canadian company -- we're both sort-of in the same general realm of computer mapping, but our focuses are different. The arrangement that they have with us is that if we keep making profits and hitting or targets, they stay pretty much hands-off. So far, so good (it's been 11 or 12 years with that arrangement).
  3. re: paying for free users Not an issue with me. Evernote provides me with a service that works for me, at a cost that seems fair, and that I can afford, and I'm happy to do pay for it. That's pretty much what matters to me. If other folks are able to use the free version (I probably couldn't, at least easily), that's fine by me. Life's too short for me to be worrying about who's getting a better deal on my nickel, with respect to Evernote, or other parts of my world for that matter. I've much more important things to worry about -- in fact, I've never, ever thought of it in those terms before. Maybe I'd rather be seen to be a sucker than a Scrooge...
  4. As someone who signed on during the running tape days (hated it), but caught up shortly thereafter into the notebook/tag/note configuration, and who was one of the so-called forum "Evangelists" here, who knew all of the tricks and traps of the older Windows versions, I can tell you that I never got seriously frustrated over the changes that have occurred since. Sure, some bumps in the road here and there; well, that's software for you (I write software for a living), but nothing fatal to me. I long ago came to find a simpler way of using Evernote that suits my workflows, was adaptable to some new ones when I changed jobs, and didn't need to change much across the Windows native version and the cross-platform versions. Sure, I kicked the tires on OneNote (a couple of slightly different versions, if I remember), Notion, and other such like. But moving my Evernote data over was onerous and imperfect, and none of the other contenders offered me any real reason to switch. My methods have remained, more or less intact, for 20 years or so. They'd probably work for one of the contenders, too, but there's just nothing compelling enough to make me want to bother. For a long time, I've held that with many popular, mature (i.e. with lots of features) pieces of software -- take MS Word, for example -- have a central core comprising, say 20% of their functionality, that nearly everyone uses 80% of the time, but that the other 20% of the time is spent some small percentage of the remaining 80% of the functionality. That is, most people don't make use of the entire set of facilities, and there's little overlap of features used between different users, except for the common core of functionality. So if you get that central sweet spot right, you're probably going to do well for most people. Evernote pretty much hits that sweet spot for me, and for a lot of other folks as well, I'd guess. Re: the "free" tier -- I use a free version for work, and a paid Personal version for my personal use. I share some notebooks in each to the other account; seems to work fine. The work thing will probably not be important soon enough, as retirement beckons ever less faintly, so if the free tier goes away, then I should be able to adapt for as long as I need to.
  5. I kind of enjoyed that. I'm not pining to hear the latest speculations on what Bending Spoons might do, or not do, to Evernote (just don't ***** it up, Spooners, mkay?), but I did like the look back at what he and his team accomplished in the industry. Making products for people to use, and find useful, and stick around, is hard, especially when there's no analogue out there already. I'm thinking Visicalc. Wordstar. Web browsers. Nothing really like those existed before; now everyone has their choice of a spreadsheet and a word processor and a web browser ready to hand. It's interesting to think back at the roots of the technology that we take for granted nowadays. I've been in the business for 40 years now, seen this in action. Remember the first time you saw an application that had -- and could display -- all of the streets in the USA included on a single CD? I was there for that. Nowadays, we have Google Maps (or whatever) online all the time, and it doesn't seem like a thing anymore. But there was no such thing back then, and I saw -- at a Comdex -- people being astounded by our product, and want to buy it on the spot. A large number of people were astounded by Evernote, myself included, and those moments, however fleeting -- which he references -- are something that I can enjoy.
  6. Now all we need is @BurgersNFriesand we can have a real party!
  7. I will note, with a somewhat ironically raised eyebrow, that the landing page of Bending Spoons (https://bendingspoons.com/) says the following: At Bending Spoons, we create our own cutting-edge technologies and products. Yeah, lots of marketing blah-blah-blah lies thereabouts. I'll be curious to see how this plays out. Cautiously curious...
  8. Geez, guess I gotta come up from outta the weeds to comment on this news. So, longtime, since 2008 -- and still current -- Evernote user, ex- forum busybody (when you post count's in the 5 digit range, sometimes you need to assess where your time's going). Anyway, I take this news with equanimity. Acquisitions aren't necessarily all bad, nor do they mean that the acquirer will necessarily change the acquiree's overall strategy / focus (i.e., speaking to the fears that Bending Spoon's iOS's predilection will necessarily harm Evernote's Android progress). My experience: I work for a 20+ year-old software development company that had its roots as a niche producer of software to perform mapping coordinate conversions. The original company kept chugging along at a relatively low level of growth, with a small number of employees, but eventually the founder wanted to pursue other goals, so sold the company to a 3rd party. That was fine, but the new owners wanted to grow more aggressively, and started looking for some other company to acquire, in the same realm of mapping. They found a very small (single person) but highly regarded general mapping company, and negotiated to buy it. The product that this company offered had overlap with that of the original company, but was otherwise much larger in scope, and hence had more potential for growth (note that this was a couple of years before I joined, nearly 10 years ago). Since then, they've continued to grow their original product, and add new staff -- including me -- by about 6- or 7-fold -- still a small company in the grand scheme of things -- and also grow the acquired product to the point where it's now the major revenue producer for us by far. Oh, and they kept on the original owner Moral: not all acquisitions are for the purposes of gutting the acquiree for talent in order to improve ones' current offerings. Sometimes the idea is to find a company that is going to help you to grow into new markets with new technology, which hopefully has synergy with your current line. The above being said; I had never heard of Bending Spoons or their products (and missed the reference, too), and the scale of my experience is smaller than that of the Evernote acquisition, but hey, maybe some good Italian espresso will help things along for the Evernote crew. I wish them all well.
  9. Latest update (at least the Windows version 10.42.7-win-ddl-public (3561)) might help some folks: start a new note -- you're start at the top of the note type your note's title in the main text at any point thereafter, clicking your mouse in the note title area or pressing Shift+Tab causes the note's first line to be copied to the Note's title I guess that it won't help folks who want to have a note title that's different from the first line of the note all that much, or those who want to start a new note in the note title area. *shrug*
  10. Just to point out something that you probably already know: a common code base is fine as far as it goes, but at some point, your common code base can rest upon different OSes, each with its own way of doing things (copy/paste between different applications would be a pretty good example, I'd guess), unless your platform abstracts those differences away as well. Since I barely know Thing 1 about Electron's APIs, I can't comment with any authority on how that works in in that environment, but my guess is that a common code base providing perfect behavioral fidelity among different OS's is more aspirational than real, though I'd sure believe that it helps out a lot. Edit: and of course, depending on a platform of any kind, whether it's an OS or a cross-OS platform like Electron means that you're still at risk from regressions in whatever lays beneath your code.
  11. Well, by golly, yes it can. It's not gonna run embedded Javascript or anything like that, and it might have some problems with linked files, but you can generally open HTML documents in Word. In Windows File Explorer, right-click on the file, select "Open With...", then select "Word", if it's there. If it isn't, you select "Choose another app", and find Word from there. When you've managed that, then you should get a dialog that says "Convert File"; choose "HTML Document" and it should open in Word. It's not entirely faithful to the formatting (is that Evernote's fault, or MS's? Google Docs seems to handle it better), but the text content should be there at least... Note that I never, not once, disagreed with the idea that docx would be a useful export target. My opinion is that HTML is probably a better cross-program format, but that's neither here nor there. Making the determination as to whether .docx would be a cost-effective export target for Evernote to provide isn't up to me, though.
  12. I see this as well, with the Windows client, just updated to version 10.39.6-win-ddl-public (3451), Editor: v150.2.18380, Service: v1.53.4 It works fine with the same free account, on the same machine, using the Windows client, version 10.38.3, and also on Android version 10.32.1 (non-free account)
  13. Ummm. You did note the , right? I dug into the problem to a fair degree, found a pretty convincing suspect and reported my results here. After that, I'm just having fun. We can now see that pasting MathML into Evernote is obviously a problem, but I have no say in how its severity is rated by Evernote, nor Evernote's priority for fixing the problem. My guess would be that it's not a common use case, but that, like all guesses, is worth its weight in gold (how much does a guess weigh?). The fact that you replicated it was nice / confirmatory, and thanks for that, but doesn't really change my outside-the-Evernote-box (but longtime software developer's) assessment of its severity: I barked my shins on it, and I'd prefer not to again, but it's not a showstopper either. And I'm sure not gonna go and edit all the MathML in Wikipedia to make it Evernote compliant (pace @Dave-in-Decatur).
  14. I'm guessing that the intersection of the set of geeky people interested in the finer details of DE-9IM and the set of Evernote users -- while demonstrably not empty -- does have a cardinality pretty near to 0. Besides, we want to leave it as a test case for Evernote devs working on clipping and paste problems... 👩‍💻😈
  15. To completely shut down Evernote for Windows and all of its processes: File / Quit Evernote Or from the Windows notification area (the far right of the Taskbar): right-click on the Evernote icon, select "Quit Evernote" With respect to clicking the 'x' button on the main Evernote window, as noted, that just shuts down the main Evernote window, but leaves the Evernote processes active, so that restarting Evernote should happen more quickly. This is all by design and has been so for quite a while. I do this relatively often, and haven't seen it fail to restart cleanly, at least for a very long time. Click on the 'x', the main program goes away; click on the Evernote program shortcut, and it all comes back. If this isn't working, then you're probably in tech support territory.
  16. Working fine for me with v10.38.3 in Win 10; web version seems to be working as well (not sure of the version).
  17. Hey, that's even more fun that I thought. The MathML -> .png thingy is interesting. I didn't try Paste-and-match-style or the web clipper. Took me a little while to narrow things down, as my narrative indicates (had to stop & get back to my real work). At least I know now how to fix the original note, and have a shot at fixing any others that may pop up in the future. Thanks for prodding me into further investigations.
  18. Hi Mike, Curiously, I am having trouble reproducing it myself in a minimal fashion or otherwise, at least from scratch. I've tried copying content from the original table into a similar table in another note, and that table continues to be fine. But if I copy the entire table into my other note, it behaves as noted: switch away to a different note, even without editing the table, return, and it's become HTML content again. Meanwhile, the original table in that note stays editable throughout. With respect to the web version, it appears to act the same. In the original problematic note, I use the magic want to make the HTML content editable, switch away, and switch back, and it's HTML Content again. To try to isolate things, in the web version, I've tried copying content from the bad table to a fresh new one, to see if I can trigger the behavior. aaaand... After a number of tries (including copying individual cells, rows, etc., I think I've identified some problematic cell content which, if I copy it from the bad table to a cell in the new table, the new table then exhibits the bad behavior: switch to a different note, return: the table is now HTML content. Not sure what the problem is; it's just some text I lifted from Wikipedia; looks innocent enough. Repeatable, too. I haven't tried to narrow it down much further than a short section containing 20-25 words, with no obvious suspicious formatting. Delete the text from the cell, all is well. Paste it in, table goes to uneditable. Seems to act the same in both the Windows desktop client and the web client, so yay?? It just seems to be something special about that text. ... OK, Windows ClipSpy utility to the rescue? For the particular problematic chunk of text, the Windows clipboard's HTML format contains the following: Version:0.9 StartHTML:0000000105 EndHTML:0000000459 StartFragment:0000000141 EndFragment:0000000423 <html> <body> <!--StartFragment--><div> Mask selection rules are checked only when <span style="display: none; clip: rect(1px, 1px, 1px, 1px); overflow:hidden; position: absolute; width: 1px; height: 1px; opacity: 0; font-size: 16.52px;"><span>{\displaystyle \dim(a)=\dim(b)}</span></span>, otherwise is false</div><!--EndFragment--> </body> </html> If I just copy the bit "Mask selection rules are checked only when", then everything's OK. Pick up the '<span>' stuff, and the problem happens. It would seem that that's the culprit. In fact, if I paste that into the main body of a note -- i.e., not in a table -- it's marked as HTML content as well. And in a sense, it is HTML content, though its utility is doubtful. Question is whether that's something that can or should be filtered out when pasting into a note. And finally, looking at the original source of the clip. It's on https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DE-9IM: it's in the section starting "a overlaps b". The part a little further on where it says "dim(a) = dim(b)"; that's the problem. Per ClipSpy, it's some kind of MathML expression. That's all I know, at least today...
  19. Too simplistic. My mystification comes from the fact that Evernote does not give any indications that it's treating the clip as a web clip, but as normal formatted text. I can continue editing happily away. At some point, under certain circumstances (e.g. switching to a different note and back, etc.) Evernote changes its mind, even though nothing in the note should change by switching away and returning. And then there's the weirdness of having the note open in two editing windows, with one treating it as HTML, and the other just as normal formatted text.
  20. Yeah, yeah. Just need to bust it down to a simple case, repeatable case. My first post was mainly a what-the-heck? reaction... OTOH, after nearly 40 years of making code for money, I've seen many wondrous strange things. One of the first. On an early IBM PC, the C compiler (Lattice, before it was bought up by Microsoft) compiled a function similar to. int calculate( a, b ) int a; int b; { int c = a * a + b; } One day, somebody looked at this and noticed that there's no return statement; the code is absolutely wrong, and the compiler should have told us so, but didn't. Yet calculate() worked perfectly, every time. Took a little bit of digging to figure out why...
  21. Hi agsteele, Thanks, and sure, that's how I'd see it, but obviously Evernote a) let's you do stuff without warning you that it's going to -- at least potentially -- make your table uneditable, b) it has to understand the clip and be able to convert it into something that Evernote can understand, so why not do that then and there, and c) it still lets you continue editing until the point that you step away from the note original note (or do some other undetermined action), only rendering it uneditable when you return to it. It just seems like there's some sync point where an internal format change takes place such that the editor (or Windows editor, at least) can't edit what it was happily and correctly editing earlier. I can paste HTML-sourced clips in fine, and edit/reformat them without problems, but at some point, the editor says "nevermore". I don't understand what Evernote's doing under the hood, so I can't explain why it's doing this. Mystery to me...
  22. Postscript... OK, so I bit the bullet, and turned my table into a boring black & white frog ("Simplify & Make Editable), all in the main Evernote window. And it is indeed editable. Made some changes, then switched to a new note, and came back (also all in the main Evernote window). Table is now back as 'HTML Content'. Damn. Swish, flick -- Simplify and Make Editable-iarmus!. It's back to Evernote format again. Without making any further changes, switch to a different note, and back. It's 'HTML Content' again. Smells like it's something in the copied content that Evernote doesn't really remove when it makes the note editable again. I love magic software... (I write it, too)
  23. Evernote for Windows problem. Seen in 10.38.1-win-ddl-public (3408), Editor: v149.0.18202, Service: v1.53.0 (most recent update), plus the previous Windows version. OK, so I need to make a table for some research. Easy! I've done it a million times in Evernote. Make a 4 column table, add a bunch of rows. Standard procedure. Add column titles to the top row. Give that a light background. I has a header! Add items to the leftmost columns of the rows under the header. Give each a background color. Copy simple Internet content from Wikipedia into various cells -- text only, no images. Some of it's italicized. Looking good, but not perfect yet... Change some of the cell text to use the Evernote monospace font. Italicize a few things. Change text sizes here and there. Great. Go to the top of the note, add in some web links. NP, standard procedure. So OK, let's pop that note into a separate Window so it's out of the way of what I'm working on / researching so I can collect commentary and information on various items in my table. I'm ready to get some work done... *** WHAM! *** In the separate window, my new table is now boxed up as 'HTML Content', i.e., it's no longer editable because [insert reasons here -- I couldn't think of any that made sense]. Meanwhile, back in the original version of the note, in the main Evernote window, the table is there and still editable; and indeed, any changes I make are transferred to the separate window. I'll note here that I see this behavior if I just switch from my new note to a different one, and switch back again: tossed into 'HTML Content' jail. OK, sure, I can choose to use the magic wand tool to "Simplify and make editable". Swish, flick! Yes, the result is editable all right, but all of the formatting that I put in - using Evernote tools btw -- is gone. I do not understand this behavior. In particular, I do not understand the criteria by which a table, one which I created and edited using Evernote tools, is deemed to be uneditable by Evernote a short time later, notwithstanding the fact that I am actually editing the same content in a different window. I'm guessing that it may have something to do with something in text content I pulled in from Wikipedia, but that's not an uncommon use case for me. But hey, if I'm pasting in something that's going to make my table uneditable later on, shouldn't that generate a warning from the software? Thoughts? Theories? I could try to replicate on a smaller scale case if need be.
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