forced upgrades + impossible interface = death

[kiwiads 13]

I'm one of the unfortunate being foerced to upgrade from legacy. I'm publishing this thread to cope with IMPOSSIBLE INTERFACE AND SETTINGS that make this program unusable. pls do contribute with suggestions so we know if we can survice with the mess.... evernote is almost dead.

1_ stupid harrassing suggestion at any paragraph, in general contsnt harrrassing suggestions everywhere. anybody know how to turn it off?

 

2_ pressing title-display over the top, so you cannot insert a formatted title within your note avoiding duplication. anybody know how to select the display blocks of a note?
2_ useless persisting link over the top. whenever a note refers to multiple links it's a stupid/confusing waste of space.

 

3_impossible SYNC. the bloody forced autosync not only slows down reading and crashes notes, but makes it almost impossible using notes properly. anybody knows why this horrible feature keeps going in the desktop app? using the desktop app like a browser makes the desktop version irrelevant.

4_alternatives. anyody is exploring alternatives to the mess evernote has come?

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5_ pls do contribute with suggestions, otrher issues, alternatives, solutions the mess all forced users have been forced by the guys.

 

 

[PinkElephant 8,117]

Using v10 since more than 3 years.

About 1) several threads exist. Send your opinion here

feedback@evernote.com

2-1) don’t even understand what you mean

2-2)mixed up your count ? UI decision.

3) RTE sync solved a ton of problems all prior versions had. Ever opened the same note on 2 devices ? Bad idea on legacy. No problem any more …

4) better invest your time into searching the forum 

[dante87 13]

I can't understand all these people still on legacy, complaining.  It hasn't been updated in how long?

[Dave-in-Decatur 3,960]

Here's my basic suggestion, a bit long-winded: I've been using Evernote since 2013. I hated v. 10 when it first came out in late 2020: it was missing tons of features and it was all differently arranged. I refused to touch it for a year or two. But gradually v. 10 gained some features, including some that v. 6 (Windows) didn't have, and I began using the browser version of it to get the feeling. Eventually it became good enough that I installed the Windows desktop app, and I haven't looked back. I haven't liked everything that's happened, but for me v. 10 is going strong. So my suggestion is to keep at it and you'll get used to it. None of was born using the "old" Evernote; we had to get used to it, we asked "why in the **** did they do it that way," but we found it a great tool. The same thing can still happen with the "new."

WRT your specific points:

1. That's a brand-new feature in v. 10, only a couple of weeks old, and pretty much all of us who have been satisfied users of v. 10 absolutely hate it. The / menu is handy, but my gosh, no need to nag at the start of every paragraph, or pop up the menu on every / press.

2.1. "pressing title-display over the top, so you cannot insert a formatted title within your note avoiding duplication. anybody know how to select the display blocks of a note?" -- Do you mean the way that the first line of a note automatically becomes the title? If so, then yeah, that's been debated a lot here too. It's always possible to start in the title field (press Ctrl+, or Tools > Settings, select Note, and choose the option), so you can specify a title then type what you want at the start of the note.

2.2: Useless to you, useful to many. A whole lot of "I don't want it, no one should have it" complaints from Legacy users.

3. My story about constant sync: I was editing a note on my phone when the battery died. I went to my laptop, and the whole thing was there, down to the word I was in the middle of typing when the phone quit. V. 10 will be slower the first few days, as it downloads your entire note database in the background, and as it converts existing notes to the new syncing structure when you access them, but it definitely shouldn't be crashing notes. Can you say more about when that happens?

4. Nothing to add on this; lots of threads on the forums about alternatives.

[Cristiano478 147]

1 hora atrás, ben353253 disse:

Yeah keep at it and eventually you'll get used to how bad it is. Right.

In other words it's bad but put up with it.

Give me a break.

What about the concept of "better"? If not better, revert. That's just objective common sense. Anything else is retrogression. v10 is massive retrogression. 

I like many others here try and try again to use v10 and it's just awful.

Legacy is better. Evernote should and will REVERT because they know this and they know people will be leaving the platform in their thousands if they switch it off. They won't. They're bluffing... and/or will be if we push back enough against this absurdity. 

 

 

 

Stay calm, man! You don't need to be so desperate! Legacy was a great application but it is now dead and we will have to deal with it. Many here on the forum are already looking for and using other alternatives. There is nothing more to do.

[kiwiads 13]

I wish everybody writing a letter or sending wapp, even dining or going toilet to receive suggestion:

I'd love to speak face to face with the guy who suggested such a curse in the interface.....

it's not a question of <better> against <old>. it's simply harrassment. once you learn that

pressing F1 opens HELP you don't need the prompt whatever click you are working on.

from google to evernote these guys that spend themselves as UI experts are just unemployed with

a blinking-star feeding monthly cheese....

 

[PinkElephant 8,117]

When I read your posts in this forum, I ask myself „where is your contribution to help the forum crowd to move ahead“ ?

Up to now I found none, just backward pointed moaning. But maybe you can enlighten me ?

[mackid1993 728]

19 minutes ago, ben353253 said:

Oh is that an obligatory part of sign up here? I must have missed that. 

Nope. I'm here with dozens of others to put pressure on Evernote to keep their objectively vastly superior app Legacy application alive. Plain and simple. You and others here seemingly regard our view as a personal existential threat, which is of course preposterous. I'm not interested in what you think one way or another or in what you do or don't use. So I'd suggest you ignore us. 

Good luck with your quest. Maybe try being less abrasive.... it'll get you further.

[Cristiano478 147]

1 hora atrás, kiwiads disse:

 

I'd love to speak face to face with the guy who suggested such a curse in the interface.....

it's not a question of <better> against <old>. it's simply harrassment. once you learn that

pressing F1 opens HELP you don't need the prompt whatever click you are working on.

from google to evernote these guys that spend themselves as UI experts are just unemployed with

a blinking-star feeding monthly cheese....

 

Harassment? Don't you think you're exaggerating a little?

[PinkElephant 8,117]

1 hour ago, ben353253 said:

…  I'm here with dozens of others to put pressure on Evernote to keep their objectively vastly superior app Legacy application alive. Plain and simple. …

… and couldn’t be more stupid. First this is a user forum, nobody here to pressure. Second you are just now learning (with everybody else) that there is a minuscule group of vocational dead-horse-race enthusiasts in a sea of v10 users. Which makes your promotion of dead horses just the more hollow.

The decision has been taken, 8 more days to go. You better put your focus in whatever strategy you have developed for yourself to be able to use your notes after L-day. Everything else is just self bullshitting (amazingly it works completely without using PowerPoint in this case).

Your wish to be ignored can’t be granted: Too many bogus arguments raised, too many false assumptions spread. Feel free to ignore yourself, the forum allows for it. Maybe better for your peace of mind.

[kiwiads 13]

 

to all thinking i'm crazy moaning.....

THANK YOU EVERNOTE! STUCK AGAIN WITH SYNC right now...... I am now loggin to web then back again in the app....

very handy and quick for users that aim to quick notes.....

it simply works very badly. I think it's hones saying the true: it's impossible to work with such a sync.

tried NOTION and it's far more stable, web-apps are always more stable. maybe evernote should advise

not to use the app, admitting the true. they have made a mess.

[PinkElephant 8,117]

If you feel stupid you must know yourself. I call a certain strategy stupid that is by self declaration completely selfish, does contribute nothing to the quality of this forum and is beside this by design pointing nowhere.

It is just poisoning this place - maybe by accident, probably by intention.

Feel free to continue posting, within the limits of the code of conduct.

[kiwiads 13]

trying to write something.....

got some help.....

press "/" for insert an element

press "/" for insert an element

press "/" for insert an element

press "/" for insert an element

press "/" for insert an element

press "/" for insert an element

press "/" for insert an element

[PinkElephant 8,117]

1 minute ago, ben353253 said:

Oh I'm perfectly calm. Simply airing my views, like everyone else upset with what Evernote is doing to our professional Legacy application.

V10 is simply not fit for purpose for many of us. Pure and simple. Period.

Unfits (and misfits) should go watching elsewhere. It’s that simple.

You can understand this now, or wake up in a better reality in about a week.

[PinkElephant 8,117]

Just now, ben353253 said:

How dare you

When you quote Mrs.Thunberg, put it into quotation marks: „How dare you …“.

Better !

Actually I am not rude, not to you, not to anybody else. I just call things what they are. And some have a problem with that - which is not my problem. Capiche ?

[PinkElephant 8,117]

5 minutes ago, ben353253 said:

No, you are being abusive. 

You are repeating yourself. Anything else ?

[kiwiads 13]

QUESTION: does anyone know how to back up all notes? my trust in the app after the upgrade went to zero, I think it's best to back up everything because the risk of losing years of notes isn't zero either. it' simply disappointing how evernote team disregards of users that have years of paid-notes at risk, forcing everybody to upgrade in the blindness of nowhere.

[PinkElephant 8,117]

The build in solution is the same as it always has been: Export notebook by notebook to ENEX, name each file after the notebook.

A higher automated approach can be found here, provided you don’t shy away from a few command line / terminal entries:

https://github.com/vzhd1701/evernote-backup

 

Everything necessary is properly documented on that GitHub site. You can even run it on machines where no EN client will execute.

[mackid1993 728]

17 minutes ago, ben353253 said:

No, you are being abusive. 

Go post on Reddit. There are dozens of people who have no clue how to use a computer or how a business operates just like you. I think you're being abrasive and hopefully once Legacy is switched off in a few days we won't have to hear your whining anymore.

Mods need to drop the banhammer already.

[Dave-in-Decatur 3,960]

2 hours ago, Cristiano478 said:

Stay calm, man! You don't need to be so desperate! Legacy was a great application but it is now dead and we will have to deal with it. Many here on the forum are already looking for and using other alternatives. There is nothing more to do.

Sigh. Good luck with this, @Cristiano478.

[mackid1993 728]

@ben353253 you clearly cannot be civil and a moderator needs to remove you from this forum. Hopefully someone with the ability will finally do that.

[mackid1993 728]

Just now, ben353253 said:

No you're just bullying and ganging up on me because you don't like my opinion because I have something to say about software that you seemingly hold so dear. I'm just defending myself and you're being very rude and throwing ad hominems around. It's totally unacceptable.

Point of fact, not like I should have to explain myself to you, I've been using PCs for 30 years and have been involved in the alpha development of some highly successful specialist professional software. So I'm afraid I absolutely do know what I'm talking about. I also run a successful business. This is all irrelevant and, again, you need to back off the ad hominems which you're simply throwing around because you don't like my opinions about Legacy which, for reasons only you know, clearly make you very upset and defensive. It's sad that you take all of this so personally; I've only ever talked about software.

I have a Master's Degree in Cyber Security. No need to flex. You aren't being pleasant. I'm calling you out on it. Change your attitude or get out. Full stop.

[mackid1993 728]

Just now, ben353253 said:

Flexing? You accused me of knowing nothing. You are being highly unpleasant. Go chat with someone else; I'm not interested in engaging with your gaslighting.

Wow, you are hysterical. I'm really getting a kick out of this.  

[mackid1993 728]

I guess it's best to just ignore you. I suggest you find a new productivity app because legacy is never coming back, no matter how much you whine about it and insult others over it. I really am getting a kick out of you though. Thanks for some entertainment. 🍿

[mackid1993 728]

Just now, ben353253 said:

I have insulted nothing but Evernote's V10 software and defended myself against personal attacks. Read above - it's all there. Now back off your patronising, abusive posting.

You seem to call everyone else abusive when the one that is abusive is the one hurling insults. Nice deflecting from your terrible behavior by calling others abusive. The only one being abusive is you bud.

[mackid1993 728]

@s2sailor @gazumped Can we get some moderation, please?

[mackid1993 728]

Just now, ben353253 said:

Excuse me? You're trolling with my dozens of posts attacking me and now you're asking for moderation?! The only person here who needs moderating is you, who overtly states multiple times over that you are enjoying trolling me. Though, not being a child who needs others' help with bullying, it's not something I'd think of asking for.

Unbelievable behaviour and unacceptable. 

Please list my insults that you claim I have said. And no calling you patronising and abusive are not insults but factual statements based on what you have written in plain sight to me above. Overall I'd suggest you spend your time doing something else than goading and trolling me.

 

[mackid1993 728]

Invision Community makes it super easy to add someone to your ignore list by the way.

Simply go here:

 

And add any user in here:

Done!

Protip: When their username is full of random numbers, copy and paste is very helpful!

[Boot17 1,452]

You can also hover over the profile photo in any comment and then wait for the little popup to show and then click the 'Ignore' button from there. Then be sure to select the checkboxes to ignore Posts, Messages, Mentions, and Signature.

[mackid1993 728]

18 minutes ago, Boot17 said:

You can also hover over the profile photo in any comment and then wait for the little popup to show and then click the 'Ignore' button from there. Then be sure to select the checkboxes to ignore Posts, Messages, Mentions, and Signature.

Great advice! It's quite a useful feature to have these days. Hopefully April these very angry people will move on and the community will get a little less toxic.

I honestly don't come around here as much because of all of the negativity. It's not good for one's mental health.

[gazumped 11,667]

Sorry - was rather enjoying not being here for a while...  I suggest a 'don't feed the troll' policy - ignore and they'll eventually go away.  Or get nuked.

[jpservices 16]

Heated exchange! Those loving legacy and those loving V10 would probably agree on one thing: if Evernote dies then we lovers will all be in troubles. I have assumed for months that the "new" company behind Evernote would never dare turn Legacy off as the former did. 2 weeks ago I started to get really worried and tried

a) to find an alternative

b) to get v10 to work 

For a) I did not find many convincing alternatives aside of Obsidian with the Sync option. I got 5000+ sample notes out of Evernote into Obsidian in a few minutes with the standard importer with pictures and attachments and tags. Even the note links work! I have not tried the sync (which allows multi device multi platform) yet though. I find the user interface really basic but as with every new tool you tend to get used to things with time. I really miss the note thumbnail (which is by the way actually also broken in V10) and do not quite like the file/folder approach. It used to be more expensive than Evernote but with the new price increases announced this comes probably even. The real hurdle at this time aside user friendliness and the unproven reliability on a daily basis (especially of the tricky sync feature) is that I would have to change quite a lot of stuff I did using the Evernote API. So I continue on b)

For b) after a full backup of all my notebooks I got rid of all my legacy installs on all my devices and got the latest V10 (I started with 10.79.0 a few weeks ago). Giving time for the syncs to settle and the conversion to complete (here I speak about days) V10 does start to deliver some useful and sensible results. It does seem to become speedier with time and more reliable.

Offline notes seem to work BUT offline notebook do not for me. I keep having notes that are shown as local and downloaded but when offline do not show i.e. show as not being available.

I also have a major issue on the Windows version where any attachment or picture put in a note from the Windows app do never (here I speak about weeks) show on any other device/platform. Text do sync fine though and this much better than Legacy ever did. Pictures and attachments inserted from other devices/platforms do come fine everywhere though (even on the Windows devices). In fact I got a Windows app working fine and it seems that the problem is not Windows but the IT infrastructure of the 2 problematic PCs that is probably filtering things out or slowing things down. Here I need to dig more...

The note thumbnail is also broken (some here claim that it cannot be broken since it never worked even on our beloved Legacy: fact is that with a simple workaround that does not work anymore on V10 I used to be able to get the thumbnail I wanted and now on V10 I cannot). I assume that at one point of time this will be fixed. SO not nice but no show stopper at this time. 

I also missed the ability to set the location on notes but PinkElephant helped me today finding a solution on the mobile versions. I implemented a work around on the non mobile version using the API. I am therefore here good to go assuming that this will also be fixed eventually. And anyhow Obsidian does not have a native position field and therefore although this is not nice I am better off with EN on this matter. 

So in short: after  hours of trying, reading this forum (thanks all for your contributions, suggestions, ...), posting, updating, backing up, de installing, re installing, syncing, force syncing... V10 seems to get rather close to be working for me. Naturally staying on Legacy would have spared me all this work but I assume that the owner of EN will not get much more funding "just" to keep EN Legacy running. I assume they must show results and new features and get new users. We will see in a couple of days how things turn out...

[MDA13 34]

On 3/25/2017 at 6:57 AM, pspears said:

Well, wouldn't you know it. Kept browsing and found a location for older versions. Had to download several in order to find the newest one that supports my OS, but in the end it worked and all my notes are there. It would be nice if there were information somewhere about which version of Evernote is compatible with which OS, would have saved some downloading time.

 

[MDA13 34]

On 3/16/2024 at 1:39 PM, dante87 said:

I can't understand all these people still on legacy, complaining.  It hasn't been updated in how long?

because v10 is fat and extremely slow on windows and android.

it is impossible to control if note updated or not.

there is NO command line for v10 at all !

on android i had numerous v10 sync errors, which was invisible and I got a lot of unsynced and duplicated notes

v10 has lack of legacy features.

 

so goodbye evernote premium!

i'm migrating to some other note taking software!

[kiwiads 13]

@MDA13

RE | sync - syncing it's always been an issue with everonte. I managed to use MANUAL SYNC the likes of F5 refresh button. This way I was always in control (at least) that notes stay local or are synced. that way i could manually understand differences and adapt properly. now evernote is following the trend of all apps to work in the cloud only, where a simplified interface with option let you do almost nothing. The new EVN interface works some way, still I see there usual naive paranoias of coders like the persisting "/" following you even in the toilet.... I hoped evernote won't follow the trend while keeping agile and not too much structured (I want 2b free writing notes, not pushed by dozens of suggestions). I was wrong.

 

 

 

[kkarney 98]

Welcome to the Evernote forums!

Unfortunately, Legacy is never coming back. In spite of the fact that so many of us hate v10. Some folks will tell you we're a tiny minority. We're not. But it makes no difference.

You just have to get used to the app being much slower and more buggy. And as for those features that were dropped for v10, forget about it.

Right now, I'm just waiting to see if support will step up to the plate and start actually supporting. If they don't, they're just gonna continue to lose customers (I'm certainly dissuading any potential new users I come across).

[PinkElephant 8,117]

@kkarney This is no welcome to the forum - it is only a rant.

You don’t contribute, you are just trying to spread misinformation and foul mood. Disgusting !

[kkarney 98]

1 hour ago, PinkElephant said:

@kkarney This is no welcome to the forum - it is only a rant.

You don’t contribute, you are just trying to spread misinformation and foul mood. Disgusting !

I am merely describing the Emperor's new clothes as they really are. And they are pretty disgusting, you're right.

[PinkElephant 8,117]

You have a crooked self recognition.

The problem here is that you are not contributing. We don’t need trolls in this forum who greet new users with their foul mood.

 

[kkarney 98]

3 minutes ago, PinkElephant said:

You have a crooked self recognition.

The problem here is that you are not contributing. We don’t need trolls in this forum who greet new users with their foul mood.

 

OP is not a new user. They are a user who was dependent on Legacy and is now having a rough time of it, in spite of those who insist everything is fine. I am commiserating, something you seem incapable of doing...

[PinkElephant 8,117]

Oh, a troll meeting.

Rather good, keeps you off causing havoc elsewhere.

[s2sailor 2,204]

Sigh ...

Here we go again.  Guys - put it to rest, please.

[VincentC 266]

Ignore user is your friend, @PinkElephant... just sayin...   

[dante87 13]

19 hours ago, MDA13 said:

because v10 is fat and extremely slow on windows and android.

it is impossible to control if note updated or not.

there is NO command line for v10 at all !

on android i had numerous v10 sync errors, which was invisible and I got a lot of unsynced and duplicated notes

v10 has lack of legacy features.

 

so goodbye evernote premium!

i'm migrating to some other note taking software!

How many people actually use the command line? Probably, a very small minority. 

I don't have any issues with speed or sync. 

Good luck trying other software. I've been there. I tried Zoho, upnote, Notesnook, obsidian, etc. Etc. Etc.

Upnote is the closest, but no OCR, mail in notes, and some other stuff.

 

Evernote simply works the best out of the bunch, even though others have features evernote does not. 

 

Is it perfect...no! But there really isn't anything close to it. It just works.

[MDA13 34]

On 3/19/2024 at 11:17 PM, dante87 said:

How many people actually use the command line? Probably, a very small minority. 

I don't have any issues with speed or sync. 

Good luck trying other software. I've been there. I tried Zoho, upnote, Notesnook, obsidian, etc. Etc. Etc.

Upnote is the closest, but no OCR, mail in notes, and some other stuff.

 

Evernote simply works the best out of the bunch, even though others have features evernote does not. 

 

Is it perfect...no! But there really isn't anything close to it. It just works.

v10 in comparison to legacy EN works like turtle and legacy has much reach functionality for me.

i do not care, that command line is used by a few!  I have bought EN premium with this feature, and I want this feature in en10.

for example you've bought a nice fast mercedes (legacy EN), but new company owner is trying to replace it with fat ugly bicycle (v10)

for the price 1.7x - isn't ridiculous? isn't sounds like a fraud?

 

Thanks a lot for the list of alternatives!

Currently obsidian (probably my new mercedes) looks the best - very modular, very fast and flexible! And EN v10 is like a dead horse.

 

 

[PinkElephant 8,117]

You are mistaken about „buying“ any legacy features with your subscription.

You have been buying access to a cloud service. That’s all you pay money for. The clients come for free - you can download and install them without being asked for your subscription or a payment. You need your account when you want to connect with the server.

Everybody who renewed his subscription in the last 3 years did this with v10 as the only supported clients. Older clients were still available and allowed to sync, but at the same time they were already deprecated and unsupported. They were tolerated, but no part of the deal.

You could not subscribe to having a command line option, because it was simply not available on any supported client, for the last 3 years.Actually you get today a lot more features than on your first renewal between October 2020 and October 2021, when v10 already were the only supported clients. But no command line capability, not back then, and not on any consecutive renewal.

[kiwiads 13]

in the effort to get rid of that harassing curse of <press "/" for inserting..> I tried to start lines with white dots. the caret-cursor disappears. disappearing cursor has been an old bug in evernote. anyboidy has suggestions on how to get rid of that thing of press "/".... ? or why the cursor disappears?

only a paranoid can start a paragraph with the same suggestion every time like jack nicholson <shining>... I checked notion and it has the same slack-like function without harassing people's work. however I see bending spoons acquired meetup too, so there is no chance they will do sth for this app evernote, it's all about mobile sneaking content via ai now. a little battle against google before it eats you.

[BLK Dragon 24]

On 3/19/2024 at 4:42 PM, kkarney said:

You just have to get used to the app being much slower and more buggy. And as for those features that were dropped for v10, forget about it.

Yeah, and pay MORE money for buggy mess instead of working software - great business plan

I'll try to push some issues via tickets while my premium subscription lasts, then just move on to Joplin.
v10 is slow, buggy, unreliable mess, considering it's in development for years -- they still somehow failed to replicate basic fuctionality of original Evernote. Insteal, lots of (slow and buggy) bells and whistles were added. Damn, you can't even customize note-editing toolbar (to remove unneeded cr@p and add buttons you actully need all the time) -- MS Office allowed that 20 YEARS AGO.

I remember the same ***** happened to Skype -- MS forced "new" app and "suddenly" everyone and his dog stopped using Skype. (because it was slow, buggy unreliable mess based on some fancy web-stuff, uniformly ugly on all platforms)

[dante87 13]

6 hours ago, kiwiads said:

in the effort to get rid of that harassing curse of <press "/" for inserting..> I tried to start lines with white dots. the caret-cursor disappears. disappearing cursor has been an old bug in evernote. anyboidy has suggestions on how to get rid of that thing of press "/".... ? or why the cursor disappears?

only a paranoid can start a paragraph with the same suggestion every time like jack nicholson <shining>... I checked notion and it has the same slack-like function without harassing people's work. however I see bending spoons acquired meetup too, so there is no chance they will do sth for this app evernote, it's all about mobile sneaking content via ai now. a little battle against google before it eats you.

The amount of people complaining about the '/' is hilarious. They already fixed it, and now give you the option to turn it off the hint. I swear, evernote community toxicity rivals some of the worst reddit communities. 

[PinkElephant 8,117]

This is driven by only a handful of users. I observe as well how they manage to poison the discussion here.

Anybody can starve them by refusing to answer in kind, and by reporting evil posts.

The reporting function is behind the 3 dots top right beside each post.

[s2sailor 2,204]

7 hours ago, kiwiads said:

in the effort to get rid of that harassing curse of <press "/" for inserting..>

You can also get rid of it by downloading the latest version directly from the Evernote site.  There is now an option to turn it off.

[VincentC 266]

I used the ignore function twice so far today...  and it's only 10 am where I am!  That means I have a feed where I see posts from folks who actually come to ask for help and others help them -- no complainers!

 

Vinnie

[ChristianJB 92]

14 hours ago, VincentC said:

That means I have a feed where I see posts from folks who actually come to ask for help and others help them -- no complainers!

That's exactly the reason why I'm here, just want to learn ...

[richot 3]

Just came here to add a +1 that the "Press '/' to insert an element" is terribly distracting and I hope it's removed as soon as possible.  I've emailed my feedback to Evernote.  I'm also getting a several second lag / delay when typing in larger notes with the latest update, but that's a different topic / thread.

[VincentC 266]

Update to the latest version by going to the evernote website and downloading from there, and you can turn it off.  

 

Vinnie

[richot 3]

Thanks Vincent, I got excited for a moment, but that must only be on the Windows desktop app?  I'm on Mac, just uninstalled it, cleaned up, then installed it from the website and it's still version 10.81.4, unless I'm missing the setting.  Thanks.

[VincentC 266]

I'm pretty sure it's Mac, too, @richot, but I'm not a mac person.  If you check back in a bit,  I'm sure one of the Mac experts will be by to explain what's happening.  And it could be that I've got it wrong and it's the next version, not the current one that will have the change - I'm on my laptop which is a version behind.  But I'm pretty sure in my cobwebby brain that I saw something about the option being added.  Sorry for sending you down a rathole. 

Vinnie

Edit: okay, I found the reference.  This is an excerpt from Jon Tromans' newsletter:

"If the “Press "/" to insert an element” as been irritating you when using the slash commands, there’s a toggle in the 3 dots menu of the note editor to switch it off."

 

Vinnie

 

[richot 3]

Oh thanks @VincentC, I found it under the editor settings in the "..." in the upper right.  So it is there on Mac as well.  I was looking under application level settings.  Now back to my typing lag issue, but that's a separate topic. Thanks again. Cheers.

[Razmataz 218]

That's right, it is on that menu.

This is a minor point, but I think it is an important one: that's the wrong place!

All other entries on that menu are specific to the particular note, open and in focus.  You were right to look for it on the application level. That's natural.

But EN doesn't like to put settings into settings. They rather disperse them all over the place.

I gave feedback to feedback@evernote.com, but frankly, this is least of my troubles with the new EN.

But it is clear that a grand design doesn't exist and nobody at EN is thinking about usability issues.

Oh, well, can't be helped.

 

[Dave-in-Decatur 3,960]

26 minutes ago, Razmataz said:

That's right, it is on that menu.

This is a minor point, but I think it is an important one: that's the wrong place!

All other entries on that menu are specific to the particular note, open and in focus.  You were right to look for it on the application level. That's natural.

But EN doesn't like to put settings into settings. They rather disperse them all over the place.

The Note width selection ("Optimize" 😅 or "Fit to window") is on the ... menu of a note also, and is also misplaced there. But it does exist in the main settings dialogs too. Perhaps the idea is to give very quick access to some particular settings, but it seems peculiar.

[MDA13 34]

On 3/21/2024 at 10:26 PM, PinkElephant said:

You are mistaken about „buying“ any legacy features with your subscription.

i was buying not just cloud, but the product with certain features I like to use.

EN decided to release sh*ty v10 with less useful features and slow idiotic UI.

 

[PinkElephant 8,117]

You believed you bought …. - and now you know better. Life is about learning.

You can’t subscribe to use deprecated software. You can decide to use it, without guarantees, at your own risk. That’s what you did, following your own words. And when it’s over, it’s gone.

If the new clients work for you is your own decision. Nobody will tell you they do if you believe they don’t. If they don’t, go watching.