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I only have two plugins that I really rely on: Dataview (1.6 million installs) and Tasks (1.2 million installs) -- two of the bigger plugins. I have 6 others that I use as niceties, but I don't really rely on them. If the plugins or Obsidian changed so much, I'd migrate to something else. It's already happened to me with Evernote and I am surviving, so I think I'd be ok.

What's ironic about this comment to me is that the changes Bending Spoons has been making lately has been making me fuss and worry about my systems and workflows in Evernote. With Obsidian, I have way more control over how things look and function. Sure, there was an initial learning curve and getting settled, but now I'm on cruise control with way less disruption. Edit: so actually I agree with that comment, but I'm just on the other side of the coin.

I saw one just the other day where another developer picked up and carried it on. It wasn't a big one though -- not one that I depended on. Trying to remember which it was. Can you name just one highly popular plugin in Obsidian that people were dependent on (not just cosmetic plugins) that went kaput with no one picking up support? I haven't heard of any. Not to say that it couldn't happen, but the bigger point of my comment is that with Evernote the community has zero control over changes (naturally) and things have changed (e.g. green color to blue internal links, UI revamp, mobile UI A/B testing, etc) and been taken away (e.g. Legacy). So worrying about a plugin or two going away in Obsidian is no different in comparison.

You'll have to adapt or move to another product, just like people have had to do for v10 not satisfying features and workflows they relied on in Legacy - or other changes that Bending Spoons make that we get stuck with (e.g. green to blue internal links). The plugins in Obsidian are all open source. Somebody else can pick it up and run with it. We're actually more "stuck" with Evernote in that regards IMO.

That's because Bear is only a markdown editor. Markdown editing is much more basic than the rich editor features that we get with Evernote. Why should Evernote dumb down their editor to markdown? (Saying this as somebody migrating to Obsidian.) Or why should Evernote have to support two different kinds of editors? More markdown-like shortcuts could maybe be nice, but we already have most (if not all) of the common ones. This is one of the few requests in this thread that makes sense IMO. Importing a markdown file (which is nice and is coming soon) is close, but not the same thing. Native exporting to markdown would also be nice, but there are tools like YARLE that can already do it.

As someone migrating away from Evernote, I think what you wrote is solid. I felt the price increase was fair and think Evernote had been underpriced for a while. I think what Bending Spoons has done to tighten the freemium model and increase prices is sound. I'm just migrating away for similar concerns that @MvdH is waiting out on a little bit longer. I couldn't wait anymore and the implementation and side-affects of some things left me perturbed. Still, I think Evernote is a fantastic product.

I'm on 10.86.2-mac-ddl and I'm not seeing the AI Edit popup button at the moment. No mention of it's removal in the release notes -- unless I missed it. Anybody else seeing similar? (And who knows when it could be back... and in greater numbers. 🤣)

Hrm - and (if it wasn't a mistake) they'd have to allow decryption of encrypted content else we'd be locked out of part of our notes. Then would they not allow it to be edited or anything? Will be interesting to see. And being on Personal, I had earlier wondered "Well, for those of us on Personal, perhaps the AI Edit will be a Professional feature only so it will go away." Hopefully we don't see in-app adverts to try and get us to upgrade to AI Edit like this: Edit: I'm on 10.86.2-mac-ddl and I'm not seeing the AI Edit popup button at the moment although I can still use AI Edit on Personal for now.

Can you not install a Desktop client somewhere? That would be the easiest way. There are other 3rd party products (some free, some not) that can also export them. Here is a free one that I see mentioned quite often that several people on the forums use: https://pypi.org/project/evernote-backup/ -- but it's pretty technically involved. You have to install this on your local computer and run some commands and it will login to Evernote's servers using your user ID and password and it will download your Evernote data to your machine into ENEX format.

Maybe the 3 months refers to roughly the point in time where they finally got their feet under them having tackled a lot of the technical debt and feeling comfortable enough with the domain knowledge to start shaking things up a bit and pushing out a lot of new features. But, yeah, they were making some changes before 3 months ago. The initial AI Note Cleanup came out like almost 10 months ago or so?

I was starting to be on my way out due to the v10 UI Revamp from January/February. The 'Press "/" to insert an element', AI Edit Popup, Files Feature, Green to Blue internal links, increased line spacing and probably more (that I can't remember off the top of my head) just confirmed it for me. I loved v10 and I was actually fine paying up to $200 a year because I got so much value out of Evernote up until a couple of months ago. However, I need a stable Evernote to be productive. Probably 90% of my usage is for productivity work and 10% usage is for archive/file storage. I'm sure if those numbers were flipped it might be a different story for me. The constant churn, bugs, and beta and A/B testing on users gives me a feeling of loss of control and unproductiveness and some of the recent changes just aren't for me. I feel like I'm on shaky ground and I keep wondering what is going to change or break next? Maybe it works for their bottom line and they should do what is best for them, but I have to do what is best for me too. Perhaps I'll be back if and when the dust ever settles.

Yeah - ignoring it is the key. It takes the same number of keystrokes to enter a date as it did before. Slightly annoying though. They could tweak the slash command menu so that it doesn't appear if the '/' is preceded immediately by a number. This is the case in at least one other app that I currently use that supports slash commands. In that app, it seems more intuitive when the slash command appears and it can also be toggled off altogether. I hope/suspect we'll see some minor tweaks for improvements in the coming weeks/months. Pardon the US formatted date. 🤣 I generally type dates in YYYY-MM-DD format, but that's not a good example for the slash command menu. 😃

I support the feature request to disable slash commands entirely, but is there no way for you to copy and paste a directory path? Not sure what terminal type you are using on Linux, but with Terminal on Mac, it's faster to copy and paste the directory path and less prone to typos and you'll also avoid the slash command menu while you are at it.

I share similar thoughts. This recent constant change of how my notes look and sometimes function (blue internal links anybody?, press '/' to insert an element?, AI Edit, AI Edit, AI Edit) along with A/B and beta testing on users and sometimes buggy releases has been somewhat of a turn off for me personally. You can't turn off auto updates and so installing a slightly older version will only be a temporary reprieve.

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I'm not sure -- it's working for me from my mobile. I'd try a different device and/or internet connection to see if you can get through and troubleshoot it.

Very cool. I wondered if one reason Evernote didn't have this before is because they didn't want to encourage long notes because those were more prone to sync problems. Now with the very robust RTE, sync issues aren't as big of a problem (at least in my own usage and experience). Nice to see them implementing this.

@Swizz Here is what happens when I try and create a new account using my existing account credentials: It won't let me create a new account. Try it again with your most recent email address and I suspect you'll see the same error message. So even though you are 100% sure, I'd suggest you look through old emails from Evernote and try and figure out under what email the previous account might have been created.

Yeah - one of the take-aways for me in this thread is that those arrow ligatures are also being done in the code block -- and I don't think they should be done there either. (similar to how "---" shouldn't (and doesn't) translate to a divider in a code block.) Hopefully it's just an oversight with a new feature implementation. I've seen reported that BS has plans to add syntax highlighting for specific languages in the code blocks so hopefully (/perhaps?) they are planning to do some major work to it and will address it then (if they know about it) FWIW, BS didn't break code blocks as far as adding bold/italic/color. It has been this way since the inception of v10 -- well before BS got involved. I'm not aware of anything BS has done to make it worse per-se except for the arrow ligatures.

"Later" is like when you run into an old acquaintance and you each say we should hang out "sometime" and catch up. In these cases "later" and "sometime" mean the same thing... "never". 😃

I might not be understanding exactly what you meant by that, but if I'm understanding correctly, then I'm not sure that's accurate: When collapsed, Header 2A will hide it's content and any sub-headers under it until it reaches an equal or greater header or a divider:

I agree with you OP. Also a recent related thread: I'll bet we start to see a lot more complaints about this come in and hopefully they'll change their minds and reverse this decision once they realize how many people loved and depended on internal links being easily discernible from external links. This was especially huge for links to other Evernote notes that you didn't want to be internal because you were sharing a few documents with outside people. This loss of difference in color is not just a cosmetic change, it's actually a huge feature deprecation.

@david_woznyorg By "mess around with exporting to a browser" did you mean tapping this button in the top right-hand corner? Just wanted to make sure that you knew tapping that button would open that URL in Safari (your preferred default). It is, unfortunately, still a two step process (tap that button, then tap 'Done'), but it's less steps than clicking the 'Share' button.

oof - yeah I like the green color for internal links so much that I copied that green style for internal links in the new tool I am migrating too. I can't say this purple blue change is really going to impact me so much since I'm using Evernote less and less these days. This is kind of another example of a disruption nail for me. (Other nails include the constant AI Edit popup, the increased padding everywhere, the UI redesign in general, the constant tweaking/disruption and feeling of a loss of control.)

Yeah - I've been pretty impressed with Evernote's ENEX export and other tools support for it. It has made it easier transition to something else for me. (Looks like it's going to stick... I was just kind of toying with it at first.) The easy part is copying content over, the harder part is the mindset change and workflow adjustments. Also -- no escaping for me. 😃 Even though I am (95% sure I am) migrating away, I still think Evernote v10 is pretty great software, but I think I've found something that will suit my style and needs a little better.