Dave-in-Decatur

Voting and requesting on this thread probably doesn't get as much attention as going to the Feedback/Feature Request forums for your specific platform(s) and voting up the requests that already exist.

@dconnet's information earlier in this thread makes it clear that WRT the spell-checker, this is not random programming issues, but the result of changing to a different underlying structure:

See the other posts around that date on the same topic.

I wonder whether this Chromium upgrade is responsible for a lot of the other bugs and feature degradation in recent releases. If so, I sure wish they'd have worked all this out in the background and released one big but well-functioning update rather than a series of incremental ones with all these issues.

Yes, I'd agree with that. The Android clipping interface is very bare-bones. It does allow specifying a notebook and tags, but a comment field (such as is also available in the Windows browser clipping plug-in) would be really useful. I've voted the idea up!

It still seems to be a bit hit-or-miss, but it's definitely improved. That's an impressive chart, by the way!

Can't blame you a bit. I stopped updating at v. 6.5.4, and I may never update again. Why should I? This one works, and there are no recent features I need. By now I just assume that every update will go out with issues raised in beta unresolved, something borked that wasn't borked before, and little if any concern for quality control. I'm a Premium user, and will probably renew again. But for the life of me I can't understand why a company as ambitious as Evernote in its software aims keeps churning out broken updates.

On 3/23/2018 at 6:30 PM, Ronni MD said:

I'm on 7.17.1 Evernote version on my Galaxy Note 8.  Clipping of full web pages still doesn't work. 

Does it not work for any Web page? I find that it works OK on simpler pages, though more complex ones certainly still have problems.

I updated to v. 7.17.1, and the clipping is better than it was before, but still has problems with complex pages. It seems that they are working on it, and gradually getting it fixed. The post from @StuartG gives some background:

Evernote has put an icon in the system tray for as long as I have used it (I have the setting @dconnet refers to turned on). It can occasionally be handy for restarting the Evernote interface, or for exiting EN completely. But it's never required me to click on that icon to start EN. If @TK0047 and @dconnet's suggestions don't fix it, you might try restarting the computer, and in desperation even reinstalling Evernote (after having backed up any local notebooks). But hopefully you won't have to go that far.

I use the add-on that @jefito has linked to, and it works OK. It installs some new options into the right-click menu (Forward to Evernote, Forward to Evernote with Reminder). If you choose Reminder, you can then choose to set a notification date (but not time). You'll need to set the add-on's options, including your mail-to-Evernote address, in the Thunderbird Add-ons Manager. The one thing that can be somewhat inconvenient is that if you want to specify a notebook other than your default notebook, you need to set that option in the Manager every time you change notebooks. For my limited usage, it's been very convenient overall, though. It's certainly worth looking at. BTW, it also includes a forward-to-OneNote feature.

@Shane D., thanks very much. It's helpful to realize that EN techs themselves didn't isolate the problem until recently. I just think that should have been reported as soon as it was known; certainly there should have been a response to this thread. Yet I understand that you all certainly don't want to communicate premature or inaccurate information.

[Rant]And, frankly, I should have known that Google was at the bottom of it. Putting even one egg in Google's basket is asking for trouble. Google Calendar, though it has improved recently, is the parade example of a Google resource whose users, more or less forced to use it, have made complaints and feature requests about for years before anything gets done.[/EndRant]

@StuartG, thank you so much for pursuing this and reporting your results here! It is indeed extremely helpful to know what's going on, even if it's not a solution. As I read this, two questions came to my mind:

1. What the  is a "Chromium depreciation"? A bear market in certain commodities futures? Or an elaborate euphemism for a deliberate trashing of features in Chromium, brought about by its open-source-yet-vaguely-Google-related community of programmers, on whom (it seems) all our data and workflow now depend?
2. Why the  didn't Evernote TELL US about this when it happened? What is their communication policy (if they have one)? "Tell nobody anything unless their work gets damaged so badly they holler about it?" Any communication at all, e.g., in the Play Store release notes, would have been so helpful and prevented so much needless frustration and lost time and work! What possible reason can there be for withholding this information (unless letting people know that Chromium is about to bork their work gets EN itself in trouble)? I'm not just venting about this--I want to know. @Shane D., I'm lookin' at you. Not your fault, but I'm asking you. 

5 hours ago, DTLow said:

I have the Premium Account, the most expensive Personal Plan
and yes, there was a substantial increase two years ago.  It was presented as a realignment as Evernote switched to a user fee funded model.

Same here. IMHO, the price increase got the Premium product closer to what it's actually worth, to me at least.

Thanks from me too. If they don't get clipping straightened (back!) out in Android pretty soon, I'll look in to this.

6 hours ago, gesshoom said:

Web clipper and Nimbus Capture are far superior than Android EV.  IF I was to rate EV clipping at 75%, then Nimbus is at 95% (regardless of the recent failures to clip anything with Android EV)

That is interesting, given the current state of Evernote's Android clipping. Nimbus can import .enex. Can it also export it? IOW, could I clip something in Android Nimbus, and then in Windows export it and import into Evernote? Clunky, but I don't think, based on your very helpful report, I see anything in Nimbus that would compel me to leave EN altogether.

23 hours ago, dconnet said:

Yes. We upgraded from CEFv1 to CEFv3. It was painful - the programming model is completely different. (it's also why you see more Evernote processes in task manager)

Thanks for this explanation. I don't know how Evernote's programming and updating processes work, of course, so this might be a nonstarter, but it seems like doing a parallel development process on CEFv3, with nothing released until the product was fully functional with no features removed, might have been preferable. As I say, uttered out of ignorance.

7 minutes ago, jefito said:

Per some Chromium documentation here, https://www.chromium.org/developers/how-tos/editing-the-spell-checking-dictionaries, the .bdic format format is binary (OK, UTF-8). It's better as a dictionary basis as it's not just literal words; it allows rule-based modifications for affixes that modify the base word. Flip side is that it's not text-based, so not (easily) user editable...

Thanks, Jeff. That's what I suspected. Which means that my well-developed plain-text user dictionary from my word processor probably won't be able to be merged with the new Evernote user dictionary when it appears, and I'll be adding words one at a time. Sigh.

1 hour ago, jefito said:

Edit: putting my Magic Guessing Hat on: The 'CEF' bit refers to the Chromium Embedded Framework, used by Evernote to render notes, and '.bdic. is the extension used by Chromium dictionaries, so the change to use that rather than the old '.dic' files is probably something that is intended to  make the dictionary more accessible to the framework. But that's just a guess... 

Interesting. I suspect you're on it. I have the path ...AppData\Local\CEF\User Data\Dictionaries, but there's nothing there (nor anywhere else in ...AppData\Local\CEF\). It would be convenient and useful if the .bdic file were plain-text, so it could be readily merged with existing user dictionaries; but I'll be anything that it is binary and non-editable.

Thanks, @Austin G. I'll wait for your updates. I do have two further questions, if you or anyone can answer them.

The first has to do with communication. Was there anything in the release notes about the taking-down of the spelling functions? Leaving users to just randomly discover that on their own is a textbook exercise in alienating customers. Pretty it up in the release notes however you want; give it lipstick and put a bow in its hair; but for heaven's sake tell us what's coming.

Secondly, "necessary updates" is rather vague. I'm not disputing whether that's appropriate. But I'd like to hear from other users who (unlike me) have continued to update about what has been fixed or is working better in the newer versions. Assuming that there is some kind of plan to improve rather than degrade the software, how is it manifesting? That's off-topic for this thread, so please respond to my post here:

I don't do Evernote beta testing (can't afford the time), but I find it just astounding that something like this got through beta. I would assume that the testers flagged it, and whoever approves releases just said, "Oh well." Only an assumption; but if anyone knows better, please inform me.

I'm still on v. 6.5.4, and over the last several months have seen a long litany of features reported here as being removed or no longer working properly. I haven't heard one instance of anything being added or changed that significantly improved functionality. Oh wait, there's improved table functioning, no doubt a real improvement for many, at a cost of merely adding pointless huge margins to every note for every user. V. 6.5.4 works great for my purposes, including the dedicated spell-check window (and functioning user dictionary). I am now firmly committed to never updating again, unless there is some compelling improvement (which would include restoration of spell-check and other features). The trashing of Web clipping in Android only adds to my mystification about what on earth they are thinking.

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Same for me. The version number of the update is 7.17. The previous was 7.16.1. I tried clipping the same two pages as I referenced in my previous post, with the exact same result--which was completely unsatisfactory and useless for the second one, just as before. Hard to believe they bothered with this!

On 2/16/2018 at 10:06 AM, Duane said:

When accessing Evernote in Windows, again, upper left.

Note that this only holds true when you're viewing All Notes; when viewing an individual notebook, only the count for that notebook shows.

I absolutely agree with @gesshoom, @MayurH, and @StuartG. This used to work; then it broke completely; and now it sort of works on a few sites, but largely fails. "Website clipping is tricky" is just not an excuse, since it used to work well!

I updated to the current version and tried a couple of clips. An article clipped from the Wikipedia app actually came through well The only real problem was with tabular information, which came through without the tabular formatting. OTOH, the screenshots below show a Web page in my browser, and what Evernote clipped from it--only the material at the bottom of the page, and didn't even format that.

Just reporting that I've also been getting the "Clip failed" consistently the last few days. I have not yet updated to the fix, am dreading it slightly, but will do so and report.