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#1 DCW

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Posted 25 September 2012 - 05:04 PM

Anyone using Kustom Note? I just started, but I'm confused: Are templates only accessible online? So I have to pull up a browser and can't use them natively in EN?

#2 guycruls

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Posted 27 September 2012 - 05:51 AM

just found out about kustomnote. is it safe? is it worth it?

#3 GrumpyMonkey

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Posted 27 September 2012 - 10:12 AM

Anyone using Kustom Note? I just started, but I'm confused: Are templates only accessible online? So I have to pull up a browser and can't use them natively in EN?


Hi. Welcome to the forums.

The developer of custom note began with a Web version, but I am hoping that there will be another version (perhaps an app you can open and see your templates waiting there ready to complete and send) sometime in the future. At this time, though, the solution is quite simple. Make a template, and then make a bunch of copies of that note. When you need the template, just fill it in, retitle, tag it, and move it to the appropriate notebook. It is a vast improvement over the quality of previous templates -- I know because I used to make them for myself (http://www.princeton...o/template.html).


just found out about kustomnote. is it safe? is it worth it?

Kustomnote is perfectly safe -- it just creates a template. Of course, whenever you give anyone access to your account there is risk, but no more so in this case than any other app. I've met the developer and I can say that he is a genuinely nice guy, who is enthusiastic about the project, and earnestly wants to succeed with it, so I think he will be very careful with the trust you put in him.

As for asking whether it is worth it, that depends on how much you value templates, doesn't it :)
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#4 spg SCOTT

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Posted 27 September 2012 - 01:11 PM

You can read some more here, in the Evernote blog:
http://blog.evernote...r-devcup-award/

A quote from the post:

Coming next: Mobile versions of the service, for iOS and Android. Also, an offline note creation tool.





just found out about kustomnote. is it safe? is it worth it?

Kustomnote is perfectly safe -- it just creates a template. Of course, whenever you give anyone access to your account there is risk, but no more so in this case than any other app. I've met the developer and I can say that he is a genuinely nice guy, who is enthusiastic about the project, and earnestly wants to succeed with it, so I think he will be very careful with the trust you put in him.

As for asking whether it is worth it, that depends on how much you value templates, doesn't it :)


As with other apps that connect with your Evernote account, the authorisation to do so is your choice. It can also be revoked at any time that you want.

If you decide that you don't want to use it, or are worried about accessing your account for whatever reason, then you can stop it from doing so.

Login to your Evernote account on the web -> Click on your username in the top right -> Settings -> Applications -> choose what to revoke permissions from and then click revoke access.

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#5 May

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Posted 14 October 2012 - 02:17 AM

Kustom Note is awesome.

I don't really use templates for any fancy formatting, but I do like to use auto-tagging for some frequently used types of notes.

For example if I'm saving lots of quotes from some book in Evernote,I usually organise each quote with tags such as:

"quote"
"name of the book"
"name of author"

Now... I can add each quote to Evernote and manually add those tags OR I can use Kustom Note and create a custom template and get all necessary tags applied automatically whenever I use this template.�
It just saves time because frequently used notes are organised automatically without any work.

So here is how it looks:

If I select a custom template for quotes from the book

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It's added to Evernote with specified preset tags automatically

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All I have to do is just copy-paste some quote from the book and that's it. I will remove this template after I'm finished with the book.

This is just a simple example. It could get a lot more elaborate too.

I'm waiting for native ios app. :)

#6 SimonF

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Posted 14 October 2012 - 11:49 PM

Kustom Note is a wonderful idea.

About two week earlier of Kustom Note availability, I begun programming a few templates, more to understand how to make them in Evernote. I now have an understanding of what it takes to make them good. Kustom Note makes them perfect.

Now, I'm wondering why we should have another native app for all platforms. It should be part of Evernote, point. Someone at Evernote corp. should seriously consider hiring Hussein Ahmed (and his team, if any). I don't know how long it took him to develop this idea into Kustom Note but I have not seem a project so finished from a young startup for a while.

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Posted 15 October 2012 - 12:33 AM

Now, I'm wondering why we should have another native app for all platforms. It should be part of Evernote, point.


Think about Evernote Food, Hello, Skitch, Penultimate, Clearly, Webclipper - those are all separate apps.

Kustom Note is pretty much the same concept as Evernote Food/Hello except it's a lot more powerful and flexible since you can use Kustom Note for whatever you want instead of just food/contacts.

A separate app has some advantages:

Not everyone needs elaborate custom templates. A separate app has a lot of freedom, it doesn't have to please everyone and it could be made for a specific niche, e.g. power users.
It doesn't bloat and is not bloated by the native Evernote client.

The only minor disadvantage I can see is security.

#8 Dave Smith

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Posted 16 October 2012 - 12:37 AM

just found out about kustomnote. is it safe? is it worth it?


I think CustomNote looks great but I can't say that it's safe. Check out this scary security issue.
https://www.evernote...97-4cd4210b5f04

#9 SimonF

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Posted 16 October 2012 - 02:36 AM

May,

If you believe that security is only a "minor disadvantage", that's up to you. As far as I'm concerned, it is a big issue. It should be considered by everyone with the same care they have for their own physical security.

In order to add and manage templates easily, Kustom Note acts as a "proxy" since data of the notes are passing through their servers. Now, here are my questions:
  • Did anybody exploited that breach before David published it? (BTW David, thanks a lot!). Anything to validate to be sure? If not, serious logging capabilities should be implemented as soon as possible.
  • Aside of the usual agreements between developers, is there any way to get serious quality testing from Evernote before such partners software get released? I mean, would it be possible to get Evernote helping third parties to ensure the community that security is taken really seriously by the management? Do not forget that Kustom Note was awarded on the last Devcup?
Now, I will stop using Kustom Note as long as they (both Kustom Note and Evernote) would not provide a serious explanation of what happen and how they resolved this issue.

I hope that I will not have to reconsider my premium membership. Products are great. Company have so far done things that I wasn't be able to imagine. But security is something I am unable to let other people handle if they have lower standards than mine.

Evernote staff: feel free to contact me if precisions are needed or if I can help.

Now, I'm wondering why we should have another native app for all platforms. It should be part of Evernote, point.


Think about Evernote Food, Hello, Skitch, Penultimate, Clearly, Webclipper - those are all separate apps.

Kustom Note is pretty much the same concept as Evernote Food/Hello except it's a lot more powerful and flexible since you can use Kustom Note for whatever you want instead of just food/contacts.

A separate app has some advantages:

Not everyone needs elaborate custom templates. A separate app has a lot of freedom, it doesn't have to please everyone and it could be made for a specific niche, e.g. power users.
It doesn't bloat and is not bloated by the native Evernote client.

The only minor disadvantage I can see is security.


just found out about kustomnote. is it safe? is it worth it?


I think CustomNote looks great but I can't say that it's safe. Check out this scary security issue.
https://www.evernote...97-4cd4210b5f04



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Posted 16 October 2012 - 10:08 AM

I saw this issue too when I shared some templates with myself, it looked like I was logged into another account but I couldn't actually access any notes, or anything, all I could see were notebook names and account name.

Using third party apps with Evernote would always grant them access to your account and you'll have decide for yourself wether it's worth it or not.

I really doubt that someone is going to hack into my account and read my notes. It's not worth the effort.
Even if it does happen than I'm not going to loose anything because I don't store anything super confidential, I don't store passwords or credit card details, etc. in Evernote.

#11 SimonF

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Posted 16 October 2012 - 10:54 AM

May,

I don't have the same behaviour as you and David describes, which scares me a bit.

As well, I don't store anything confidential. For that, other tools with stronger encryption (note: not sure about US but Canada recently change the laws related to encryption) exist.

Although, it isn't a reason to toss away security.

#12 Hussein

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Posted 16 October 2012 - 06:49 PM

Hi everyone,

I'm Hussein, the developer of KustomNote.com. Thanks so much everyone for your feedback, encouragement and comments. Regarding the threat that was discovered by Dave, I was notified just last night about Dave's finding and I didn't sleep all night doing all possible exhaustive test with my fellow developers trying to replicate that incident and work on a solution. Our findings concluded that this could have only happened with Dave due to a glitch in the caching mechanism implemented to elevate the system performance. To be 100% sure that this would never happen to any single one as an anomaly we have turned off all caching of notebooks, notebooks listing and notes traversal to be completely on the safe side.

Just for the record and to assure you all, Evernote cannot be safer than it is, it would have not been ever possible for someone (even in Dave's case) to even browse the note titles in a notebook, such calls are highly restricted by the Evernote API and is not possible without explicit calls with the authentication tokens. Regarding opening or reading notes, as you all have noticed, KustomNote does not even touch or open notes, it just embeds your Evernote window on the page for convenience. This window, as you've all probably noticed is an actual Evernote window that asks for your login and credentials. If you log out of Evernote (in a separate tab), in order to just display one of your notes, you will see the Evernote login again to just display the note.

I want you all to rest assured that the application is totally secure and Evernote is so securely locked down even for authenticated applications. As a developer, and a system architect I really admire the Evernote platform - compared to all other platforms- specially when it comes to security, anyone can easily tell that this point ranks so high followed by everything else like performance, flexibility and other factors.

Thanks so much to Dave for catching this incident and reporting it quickly and please let me know anyone if you'd like to have anything changed or added to the application.


Sincerely,
- Hussein

#13 GrumpyMonkey

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Posted 16 October 2012 - 07:00 PM

Hi everyone,

I'm Hussein, the developer of KustomNote.com. Thanks so much everyone for your feedback, encouragement and comments. Regarding the threat that was discovered by Dave, I was notified just last night about Dave's finding and I didn't sleep all night doing all possible exhaustive test with my fellow developers trying to replicate that incident and work on a solution. Our findings concluded that this could have only happened with Dave due to a glitch in the caching mechanism implemented to elevate the system performance. To be 100% sure that this would never happen to any single one as an anomaly we have turned off all caching of notebooks, notebooks listing and notes traversal to be completely on the safe side.

Just for the record and to assure you all, Evernote cannot be safer than it is, it would have not been ever possible for someone (even in Dave's case) to even browse the note titles in a notebook, such calls are highly restricted by the Evernote API and is not possible without explicit calls with the authentication tokens. Regarding opening or reading notes, as you all have noticed, KustomNote does not even touch or open notes, it just embeds your Evernote window on the page for convenience. This window, as you've all probably noticed is an actual Evernote window that asks for your login and credentials. If you log out of Evernote (in a separate tab), in order to just display one of your notes, you will see the Evernote login again to just display the note.

I want you all to rest assured that the application is totally secure and Evernote is so securely locked down even for authenticated applications. As a developer, and a system architect I really admire the Evernote platform - compared to all other platforms- specially when it comes to security, anyone can easily tell that this point ranks so high followed by everything else like performance, flexibility and other factors.

Thanks so much to Dave for catching this incident and reporting it quickly and please let me know anyone if you'd like to have anything changed or added to the application.


Sincerely,
- Hussein


Well-said Hussein. I think it is great that a developer steps onto the forums and gives us a detailed explanation of his application and the integration with Evernote. Thanks.

#14 Hussein

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Posted 16 October 2012 - 09:56 PM

Thanks GrumpyMonkey and thanks to you all, its my duty GrumpyMonkey. Its not coding, architectures or protocols that matters, its all about the actual amazing people using them and their precious data.

I'll be pushing several updates this week too, so you guys lookout for new enhancements...

You can now all share your voice, ideas, thoughts about new features, enhancements or issues at http://feedback.kustomnote.com

Would love to hear from you all!

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Posted 18 October 2012 - 01:39 AM

Thanks GrumpyMonkey and thanks to you all, its my duty GrumpyMonkey. Its not coding, architectures or protocols that matters, its all about the actual amazing people using them and their precious data.

I'll be pushing several updates this week too, so you guys lookout for new enhancements...

You can now all share your voice, ideas, thoughts about new features, enhancements or issues at http://feedback.kustomnote.com

Would love to hear from you all!


Hussein,

I'm pretty sure you don't have any release notes or that you use version numbers. :)

How do you usually advertise changes when they are rolled out?

Keep on your good work,

Simon

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Posted 19 October 2012 - 09:45 AM

Yes, do you have a Twitter or Facebook ID set up for KustomNote Hussein?

#17 Hussein

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Posted 19 October 2012 - 03:08 PM

Thanks Simon. I'll sure add a page on the site for that, thanks for advice. Right now its as Martin guessed, Twitter and Facebook: )

For now, the new update in themes is that there is a new 100% text-based theme without any font formatting, backgrounds or graphics, just basic and plain. Regarding security, major changes were made to avoid the need on relying on Full-Access of the users accounts, Evernote are currently updating the application keys to request basic-access only with no access at all to data. Some functionality was sacrificed of course, like browsing through all your notebooks and notes that were created with and without KustomNote but the sacrifice is worth eliminating risks all together and hopefully get more amazing users on board!

Martin, yes, KustomNote twitter handle is @kustomnote and the facebook page is at: https://www.facebook.com/KustomNote ; )

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Posted 20 October 2012 - 12:47 AM

Hussein,

Thank you for the update. To recapitulate, part of the solution had been already implemented by your team but we are still waiting on Evernote to finish updating the application keys? Did Evernote gave any timeframe to complete this?

To be honest, I am not really using any social media, whichever they are. Especially for updates or new features announcements, RSS feeds are doing great. Webpages are OK to get long explainations. In my opinion, emails should be avoided at all cost: we already have enough spam... :)

Have a nice weekend,

Simon

#19 BurgersNFries

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Posted 20 October 2012 - 04:06 PM

Kustom Note is awesome.

I don't really use templates for any fancy formatting, but I do like to use auto-tagging for some frequently used types of notes.

For example if I'm saving lots of quotes from some book in Evernote,I usually organise each quote with tags such as:

"quote"
"name of the book"
"name of author"

Now... I can add each quote to Evernote and manually add those tags OR I can use Kustom Note and create a custom template and get all necessary tags applied automatically whenever I use this template.�
It just saves time because frequently used notes are organised automatically without any work.

So here is how it looks:

If I select a custom template for quotes from the book

Posted Image

It's added to Evernote with specified preset tags automatically

Posted Image

All I have to do is just copy-paste some quote from the book and that's it. I will remove this template after I'm finished with the book.

This is just a simple example. It could get a lot more elaborate too.

I'm waiting for native ios app. :)


I finally tried Kustomnote. And like May, I don't normally need or want fancy formatted notes. BUT...Kustomnote is pretty darned neat! Ok, AWESOME! I DO think I'll use it often, though b/c my current problem with Evernote on the Windows client is that it often takes a couple of minutes (or more) to start a new note or edit an existing note. I've tried all the things suggested to me by EN support (updating to Windows 7, new hard drive, moved from a Truecrypted container) except one - redownloading all my notes. I'm guessing it may have something to do with my large database...I dunno. But at times it sure does interfere with my workflow, since I use EN SO MUCH. Anyway, just yesterday I was wishing there was a Windows version of FastEver. I use FastEver on my iPad & iPhone & it's just a quick entry app for Evernote. So with the recent talk about Kustomnote, I decided to check into it. The fancy formatting sure is purty & I may create my own, basic template with just a touch of bling. But I'm also looking forward to the basic text template Hussein mentioned. Although I've not really run it through it's paces, I'm hoping KN will expedite new note creation on my Windows desktop.

Great work, Hussein! Go team!
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Posted 21 October 2012 - 10:56 AM

@BnF Interesting what you say about positioning and FastEver...

As a Linux user and one that - on occasion - might use templates this is intriguing: I think it's faster than the web interface to Evernote and therefore a better starting point for a note than the web interface.

I'm really looking forward to the iOS app (if it comes) as it would be a better match for what I do - with about 50% of my TYPED notes being suitable for templating. (Clipped ones, though are my major new note use case.)

Being able to edit in Kustom Note while preserving the note's "template compliance" or "template conformance" would be valuable. (I don't like either quoted term in the previous sentence.)

And yes I probably WOULD be willing to elect to give Kustom Note more auth privileges than those who don't feel the need to round trip editing between Evernote and Kustom Note.

One point that's only sort-of come up is how to search usefully for the template you want. The idea of preview has come up. Personally I think Kustom Note has bitten off quite a lot with allowing public user-generated templates. I'm grateful for it but I'm already put off trying out templates because there are so many. But I think things to make this easier will come.





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