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That's a big disappointment. I actually bought a T-Mobile Dash (WM 6) and signed up for service with them just to be able to use Evernote on the subway in NYC, where there is no cell reception. A 4 gig MicroSD card is a lot bigger than my current EN database, so I thought I was all set. The IMAP option doesn't seem to be working for me because I can't get it to open JPG files (although PDFs and regular text are fine), but it does sync nicely.

I'll be returning that phone and canceling service with T-Mobile sometime this week.

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Evernote team: I am back again at the offline-viewing issue, with a (arguably) fast-to-implement fix while we wait for actual online/offline mobile clients: RSS. We already have a feed for each public notebook. I don't love the idea of sharing every notebook so I get every feed. Besides, they are indexed by robots. I want my notes to remain private unless I specifically want to share them. Anyway, I am sharing one and testing the results.

If you could implement a (authenticated) feed available for every notebook, it might yield interesting results. Better yet, a tiny RSS API. You already seem to have something for the public notebooks:

http://www.evernote.com/shard/s2/pub/11 ... =2&search=

For the URL I guess there is already:

* notebook

* max

* sort

* search, which BTW seems to support search=tag:TAG_NAME (well, tag%3ATAG_NAME)

So, i if you could:

* make "notebook" optional, so you could have a feed from "any notebook" if the parm is missing.

* maybe an option to exclude images/attachments/audio, to get lighter downloads

Something like:

http://www.evernote.com/rss/INSERT_USER ... nts=0_OR_1

IMAP is impossible to navigate with my 1000+ notes (and 50+ tags) on my HTC Excalibur. Some carefully crafted feeds and a decent feed reader could do an acceptable (though read-only) alternative in the meanwhile. I use mDigger for my feed reading, and Yomomedia is nice, too, and both could make for better (Ever)note readers than Pocket Outlook or QMail.

Think about it: we the people get off your backs for a while with the offline issue, and IMHO the development of such a thing should not be THAT time-consuming. Besides, almost every web app out there seems to include RSS: RTM, Google , Yahoo , Flickr, Hiveminder, you name it. Of course you already provide an RSS feed, but I had to jump through some hoops to find it, and it only works for public notes.

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+1

Being able to fully sync specific notebooks would be great.

Even for JUST text-only notes. How complicated can this be? :(

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THis is my first post !!!!!

I was planning to get a subscription but now keeping away as offline viewing is so important for me.. I found that in iphone and its really helpful...

Hopefully it will be implemented soon

GOpa

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Was taking some notes on a building site with poor reception and felt the create/edit while offline could do with some improvement.

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It feels like i've left 3/4 of my brain in the cloud and the other 1/4 on my pc desktop local notebooks

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back to windows mobile office ? ouch

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I really have to go back to this point -

It comes down to bandwidth and storage. When you have a large database (and, think about it - a Premium user can upload 500MB a month), that's a potential 500MB of data for every month you're a member (even if you drop down to Free, that stuff is still stored.) We've got people with multiple GB databases. Many people.

So, say you've got even a "Reasonable" 2.5GB database that you want stored offline on your iPhone. That's a LONG download over 3G, or EDGE. And with bandwidth caps by AT&T, Sprint and Verizon of 5GB a month with their data plans in the US (3GB for Telcel!), you're going to hit your cap pretty quick and get stuck with overages. Just to download your database.

Ok, right, so you got around that by downloading it over Wi-Fi. Well, great. now you've got 2.5GB of *stuff* sitting on a storage card on your WM phone, or on your iPhone, and no real way to sift through it, because the memory on your phone isn't built for dealing with files this large (unless you live in Japan. In which case you're 12 years ahead of us technology-wise and should not even be in this discussion because we're all so primitive that you don't even speak the same, um, language :) )

Our API has been released. You're welcome to develop something to try to open an Evernote database file on a WM device (if you transfer it there from your computer.) But transferring your entire database over Cell Towers isn't going to happen anytime soon.

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But transferring your entire database over Cell Towers isn't going to happen anytime soon.

What about text only? And/or just selected notebooks?

I doubt a user with a 2.5GB database is using up even 30% of that space with text. Why not strip out the images and attachments?

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What about doing like the iPhone and doing the favorites caching on the windows mobile? Granted it isn't the greatest solution, but it could be an inbetween so better than nothing.

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I've started using EN yesterday. And I was pretty surprised by the way it works.

But today, I was really disappointed that it wasn't possible to take notes, when not connected.

I followed this discussion, but I'm not certain what the reason is for this.

Why not make a application for WM6 that lets you take notes all the time, and syncs them when you want the way you want.

It would be a great help for me....

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+1

And the other note taking app - Microsoft OneNote - has a nice implementation in WM phones. At the risk of discussing the obvious, with their Office 14 release which can live on the web plus their superior inking capabilities, you are running into bigger competition...Hopefully you have this feature resolved by then...

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I too am waiting for offline access in windows mobile; viewing at the very least if not editing. If as it sounds, there is little enthusiasm for it from the EverNote staff than I am quite disappointed. I've paid for a year subscription. I've enthusiastically showed EN to many colleagues, at least one of whom has also bought a year subscription and is telling other colleagues about it. I've bet that offline note viewing for the Windows Mobile platform, at the least would be available within a few months. (and dear iPhone folks, sorry, iPhones don't work where my wife and I do) If not, than sad to say I will reluctantly start looking for yet another solution. I really do like EverNote. The multiplatform approach, easy clipping, cloud/sync model. However, I would not be surprised if soon other note program vendors, such as Phatwhare (Phatnote) get a cloud side, then I may go reluctantly go back.

I can see the arguments from heather above, but as already pointed out, these can be worked around with user selected parameters for throttling when not on wifi or usb connection, which notebooks get offline support, user tips to minimize database size for offline notes etc. I'm a physician with about 2200 notes accumulated over the last fifteen plus years including hundreds of medical images and my database size is just over 50 meg TOTAL. Only 1800 or so notes are from my medical reference notebook. In addition to EN, I store several medical reference textbooks on a memory card as well. I take care when grabbing images to size them down so as not to waste memory and other steps to avoid wasting card memory. I don't load full size Xray or CT data sets and do not store any patient data. I suspect the people wanting offline use would be happy to do this. Look where we are going. iPhones have 8 or 16 GIG. MicroSD have 16 G cheaply now. The processors and screens in the handhelds are getting faster and better but the connection can never be trusted for mission critical work.

EN is shooting itself in the foot to ignore this as offline viewing changes EN from really a toy to a serious professional's tool. Frankly, much of what EN seems to be focusing on is more 'Gee its cool and wow look what we can do' vs more basic functions that really get real work done. Honestly text and some small inline images go a long way for serious work. Yes, the integration of text recognition, easy image capture, web clipping, picture text indexing is all nice but if you can't access it when you really need it, what good is it.

One can't trust the web to be there and many people believe it or not are in areas without service fairly often. Wait until the earthquake, hurricane, power failure or whatever hits or you are in the field and you have NO access to any of your notes. Now perhaps EN staff imagines that their customers will just sit next to the candle waiting for someone get everything working, but for those of us who have to actually function at full capacity under those conditions, having the ability to reference the data we have accumulated day by day to help with our jobs that is too new for textbooks (if those even will exist for much longer) is pretty d.mned useful. EN with offline viewing would be a great first responder, medical professional, field work etc tool. The key is the syncing from the handheld to the cloud since most other note takers have the PDA tied to just one or two full scale computers rather than essentially an unlimited number.

I think having the offline viewing available to the paying subscribers would be quite a reasonable way to go. I would pay for just viewing ability. Yes, editing would be nice but I much prefer editing on the desktop or laptop; certainly that could be later feature. For others, the offline editing likely will be important but I understand you have limited staff. I suspect one of the real issues is perhaps you contract out your Windows Mobile programming.

Fortunately I still have my set of Phatnotes, even though they are slowly drifting out of date. It has been alot of work porting over to EN but I could go back if I had to.

Oh and by the way, telling a customer who is actually taking the time to try and help you improve your product to 'use the API and write the application themselves' is quite poor form from a customer relation stand point. IF we did not like the product and want to see it survive and do well so we can continue to use it we would just drop it and go elsewhere. Very dangerous attitude for a company barely a year old still surviving on VC funding folks. If you think your major customers are programmers, then you better get ready for unemployment.

SO, finally, excuse my tone, I write bluntly and directly an mean no disrespect. I think you have a great product with even greater potential. I just wish to see it get that little bit more that will add a tremendous amount of utility.

cheers

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Thanks, amgalitz, for one of the most useful and stimulating recent posts on this forum. I had never considered before the possible uses of Evernote in natural disasters, and I can see why you are distressed by the lack of local data on mobile devices.

I have a similar problem with my iPod. I'm a scholar and spend quite a bit of time in libraries taking notes. Generally I carry my laptop to a library, especially if I'm planning to be there for several hours, but sometimes I dash into a library for just a short time to check a few references. In those cases it would be wonderful to be able to bring along my iPod and consult my EN files quickly if I need to; but not all libraries have wi-fi, so often it's out of the question for me to go to a library sans laptop. Like you, I don't worry too much about the difficulties of taking notes on a mobile device (I don't like typing on an iPod), but I want to be able to consult my notes rapidly when I'm not near a wi-fi signal. I wish the EN management would give priority to that goal.

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wsp, thanks for the support!

I did not expect to get proven right so quickly but:

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2009/04/10/MNJB170JM7.DTL

"Authorities hope a quarter-million-dollar reward will shake loose a tipster to lead them to the vandals who severed underground fiber-optic cables, cutting off phone service for tens of thousands of people and disrupting life throughout southern Santa Clara, Santa Cruz and San Benito counties..."

"...The sabotage crippled parts of the three counties. Public safety crews that rely on 911 calls, hospitals trying to access medical records and people who wanted to make a landline or cell phone call, use an ATM or make a purchase with a credit card found services down. Repairs were completed, and full service was restored early Friday, about 24 hours after the first problems were reported..."

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Actually, that outage didn't affect the Evernote servers at all.

However, the "pipes" to Evernote, depending on which internet service you use, may have been slower. If you use a DNS service that updates more frequently, you should have been fine. If you use one that only updates every few hours, or daily, then you may have experienced an outage.

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Actually, that outage didn't affect the Evernote servers at all.

However, the "pipes" to Evernote, depending on which internet service you use, may have been slower.

You kind of missed my point. If one's cell service was out, no matter that Evernote Servers were up, one could not use Evernote notes on a mobile that lacked offline viewing, period. Again, many of us must work when cell phones don't. Where my wife was working, most everything was out. People lost both landlines and cell so internet was out too. You can't wish or talk away this problem.

Another case in point, I've tried to use Evernote on the web a few times and found it down for maintennance. Not a problem if working on a client with offline viewing, but with WinMobile that is a problem.

I looked at the relative coverage of AT&T vs Versizon for broadband and once you leave the major cities, AT&T is quite non-existent. Perhaps that is why you all have given priority to iPhone offline viewing. My wife's bank (large international commercial bank), dropped iPhones for this reason.

Come September I will be doing medical volunteering where nothing but mobile radio works: no cell, no reliable satellite (frequent dust storms) hence no reliable internet. It would be nice to be able to use my EN files but sounds like I won't be able to (sigh). I just purchased a large reference that will run off a memory card so I can squeak by, but it is nice having ones own pearls of wisdom accumulated over the years that somehow haven't made it into the textbooks. If this situation continues through next year, then likely it will be bye to EN.

If you are looking for beta testers of a WinMobile with offline viewing let me know.

cheers

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I've just fallen in and out of love with Evernote within the course of about 10 minutes.

I know Heather has already said "We hear you..." earlier in this thread but I'd like to add my voice to those looking for offline viewing. I thought that I'd found a great solution for my requirements with Evernote but I'm afraid that for me I've now discovered that it's not a solution at all in its current form.

I absolutely need offline viewing. I really only have a smartphone because I had to admit a couple of years ago that, with the decline of standalone PDAs, the only way to update my PDA was to get a smartphone. I consider that what I carry in my pocket is a PDA and that the phone part of it is only there as a very occasionally useful passenger. I have my device locked to the GSM network rather than 3G (to maximise battery life) and try to initiate data connections as infrequently as possible. Having Evernote initiate a data connection whenever I start it up is most definitely not the way I want to work.

I haven't got an iPhone to play with but from what I hear there is a solution on the iPhone by marking notes as favorites to get them cached locally. I would be perfectly happy with this as a solution, provided that this also prevents the Evernote mobile client from trying to connect when the application is started up and that the mobile client would only ever connect to the network either when an un-cached note is accessed or if the user manually initiates a sync.

I need one more thing beyond just offline viewing. I'd like the ability to create notes on my device (for me just text notes would be fine) and have them stay local until I explicitly initiate a sync (which in my case I'd only do when the device is cradled so an option to automatically initiate a sync on the Windows Mobile client when a cradle connection is detected would be a nice final touch).

- Julian

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If we can't get the ability to store our notes on our devices, how about fixing up the HTML export feature so the output is easier to use??? Maybe an index by category and then an index of the notes? It's not perfect, but it's better then not being able to get to our notes at all.

Grinch843......

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I don't mean to turn this into an OS battle, but I have to get this irony off my chest. Before iPhone, it was all about Windows PCs and Macintosh, and when nearly EVERY company in the world catered to the PC, all the Windows users just sat back and laughed. When Mac users complained about the lack of support, they were met with Windows Zealots telling them, "Get with the times", "The world runs on WIndows", "Nobody uses Mac".

Now that the iPhone is the in the top 3 selling phones and Windows Mobile devices are the last thing anyone is buying these days, we start hearing the WM Zealots whining like the Mac users use to do about the lack of support. "Why does iPhone get it but we don't... we are the rulers of the world... everything runs on Microsoft... I don't get it... how can this be."

Well, all I have to say is... Have fun eating your humble pie!

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If we can't get the ability to store our notes on our devices, how about fixing up the HTML export feature so the output is easier to use??? Maybe an index by category and then an index of the notes? It's not perfect, but it's better then not being able to get to our notes at all.

Grinch843......

Have you listened to Evernote's latest blogcast? To me, after listening to the blogcast, I was left with the definite impression that we are going to get the ability to store our notes on our devices.

- Julian

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thx to amglalitz and all

Agree w most of it.

The "killer feature" is offline storage on a mobil phone. That means, for the first time, that you have all your important data with you everytime on every place. A Vision comes true.

Better would be to implement and connect a data chip in your brain. But for now.. it is a good start to have all the knowlegde in the pocket on the phone... with evernote :-)

It is a mankind dream.. do it!

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