Dave-in-Decatur

Does anyone know (preferably from personal experience) if Bending Spoons takes this approach with its other apps? Do users of those apps also experience sudden changes to the user interface (and therefore to usability), the sudden presence of new features that are clearly unfinished, etc.? Or is this something they are trying out with Evernote specifically?

I don't know if it has been fully implemented yet, but it was announced a week ago as "coming soon." See this thread, with various comments:

I can buy that at the bottom of a note. But why all the added internal space between lines? More comfy, more ergonomic, blah blah. But quite a number of people are not looking for a cat experience with a note-taking app: something that is comfy and cute to look at it, and completely unresponsive to your wishes. We'd rather have a dog experience: faithful, obedient, loving, and loyal. It may even be homely; but it will go get your sheep when you tell it to. Does it seem to you that they pay any attention to feedback on X?

@agsteele, I think you would know this: Is there still a beta testing program? I would think that that would be the logical venue for "work in the earliest stages of development," not a random group of increasingly mystified users. Hopefully it will have some purpose and function(s) someday, but in the meantime, seriously, isn't this what beta is for??

I'd be interested to know of a few, frankly.

Working for me in Windows 10. Sorry I can't offer anything useful.

Every. Single. Time. All they had to do was make it Alt+/. Or ^. Or |.

Bingo. First 20 "elements" are from a note that includes a Web clip and 1 attached file. The attachment is there. The other 19 are the usual sort of logos, stock photos, etc., you find on every Website. There are also svg_1 through svg_8, which display no preview or other information. There's a search feature, but it only searches filenames, not within OCRed attachments. Suggestion: Ask the person who developed this feature to take the person who decided to color internal links blue out for lunch. Then lock the building.

That's a really good, precise use situation in which the / popup is failing in its purpose. Sending it to feedback@evernote.com or https://help.evernote.com/hc/en-us/requests/new would be useful.

Hmm ... "bug" is hard to define precisely, or at least harder than it seems like it should be. "It works fine for me" in a different use case suggests that this is not a bug, but a different way of using the software (which doesn't work like it used to, and there we are again). "It works fine for me" on a different OS or hardware points more toward a genuine bug and a need for testing in more environments.

Thanks. That's definitely more space than what I see (also in v. 10.84.3; see screenshot below). I fear this may be another of the things they roll out to selected users at first. Supposedly that should be to collect feedback, and supposedly strong negative feedback should cause them to rethink it. Email feedback@evernote.com with your experiences and complaints. I'd avoid "You're completely destroying my work with this useless garbage" language and focus on facts and details. If you have any screenshots from an earlier time to put up next to the current ones, that would be the best way to make your point.

That was basically my experience too, which is why I only just recently got The Email. This was the first time I really considered Evernote's cost/value ratio for my use -- which could indicate a number of things, including that it was underpriced previously, so I never gave it a thought, but now it's closer to what I need to think about before paying.

I finally got The Email a few days ago: the price for my Professional subscription will change to $169.99/year, an increase of $70. It came a month before my renewal date of May 11, so plenty of time to decide. The new price is $14.17/month, $3.27/week, $0.47/day. My existing price is $8.33/month, $1.92/week, $0.27/day. 70% is a very steep rise, but the actual amounts match up well with what I myself get out of Evernote, esp. as some new features are being introduced (collapsible sections, links to sections of notes; not AI) that I will find useful. I'll also take time to compare the Professional plan and price with the Personal. The latter was updated, I think, and it might work for me to drop back to it.

@TracyB, I agree that this deeply annoying and unnecessary. As @gazumped says, nothing AI-related will be done if you choose not to do it. But since there's a whole other AI button on the toolbar; since the popup button occurs with seemingly random amounts/types of text selected; and since it serves not function if you know you don't want to AI it, there should be a way to turn it off. The reliable way to give this kind of feedback (poorly implemented features rather than actual bugs) is feedback@evernote.com. (Probably minus the "vigorous" language.) But FWIW, I am able to work with the selected text as I desire. I can copy, cut, drag, format (with mouse or menu). Are you finding that the popup keeps you from doing that?

You're probably right, but we don't know whether Evernote staff read these forums regularly. They do receive feedback here: feedback@evernote.com. They don't respond meaningfully, but it's not meant to be a conversation starter, only an intake port.

I still haven't seen a screenshot here that looks anything like double spacing, maybe not even space-and-a-half. Please post if you've got something that looks like this.

Here's an example of the link: evernote:///view/########/s316/bb213bf3-f388-4900-b2e8-c9208e3f225f#5b930346-f121-4b84-a43b-c9e46280de8b/f027e0e6-ecb4-1838-5cb3-bf5c2d3476ba. It is not yet functional from outside Evernote. Within Evernote, it takes you to the note, but not the point in the note where the anchor is.

You know, I really don't want any accounts nuked. I want people to express their opinions. It's when the opinions get detached from reality, and esp. when they become untrue and malicious opinions about other users, that I long for some calming down.

Are you still using v. 10.72.2, the subject of this thread? It was noted above what the issue was and that 10.73.4 fixed it. The current version is 10.84.3, which can be downloaded from the Evernote Website. First (as also recommended above) uninstall with Revo Uninstaller.

Just updated to 10.84.3, and the blue is there. Damn damn damn damn damn. Nothing is improved, is it? Can someone tell me what? There really needs to be some justification given for this. But they've pretty much stopped accounting for changes, and sometimes don't even mention them in the release notes.

Sorry this got lost in the, um "sand" storm. WRT the desktop app, how are you uninstalling? Many recommend using Revo Uninstaller as doing a superior, more complete job than the standard Windows uninstall. If you haven't tried that yet, might be good to give it a shot to be sure there aren't any random bits left over. As you install Evernote and download all your notes data, that will take some time. Everything will be slower as the notes are downloaded and the index rebuilt. After that, it should get better. The other factor will be the necessary conversion of notes to the new structure introduced a year ago for real-time editing and syncing, note by note as they are opened. Generally, once a note has been converted it will be faster to access than before.

Leaving aside the insulting implication than only Legacy users do serious work.... You spent over a decade developing a business process centered on Evernote Legacy. You mean the whole process didn't just arrive with the Evernote 6 package? It took time to develop it? Then perhaps it's reasonable to think that using a new iteration of Evernote redesigned from the ground up will also take time to adjust to. Maybe it even would have been reasonable to start doing that in 2021, when it became clear that v. 10 was the future of Evernote, and Legacy would not continue forever. George Bernard Shaw said, "The reasonable man adapts himself to the world; the unreasonable man persists in trying to adapt the world to himself. Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man." I'm beginning to think the great man was mistaken, or at least too limited. It seems that all resistance to progress also depends on the unreasonable man.

Believe we've been around this block before. From the v. 6.25 Windows forum prior to v. 10, evidence of imperfection. Oops, sorry for that blasphemous word ... "evidence." https://discussion.evernote.com/forums/topic/120634-i-love-en-but-windows-version-no-longer-usable/ https://discussion.evernote.com/forums/topic/106027-windows-application-super-sluggish-after-last-evernote-update/ https://discussion.evernote.com/forums/topic/93803-evernote-formatting-is-buggy-and-terrible-is-it-just-me/ https://discussion.evernote.com/forums/topic/113859-evernote-tables-are-terrible/ https://discussion.evernote.com/forums/topic/41948-why-is-formatting-so-terrible-on-cut-and-paste/ https://discussion.evernote.com/forums/topic/124002-evernote-has-terrible-lag-these-days/ Yes, so

I just updated to v. 10.84.3 on Windows desktop, and don't see any difference in spacing. I took a screenclip from a note and put it up against a screenclip from then new update, and there was no difference. @SpacecoastWalt, could you post a screenshot so we can compare?

You and I have occasionally exchanged some reasonable remarks now and then, which I've enjoyed, though we disagree with each other a lot. But that's one time too many on that lie. Clicking ignore.