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Need Local Notebooks Back or I Have to Cancel Subscription


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My employer is a technology company. They can't risk Evernote snooping through the company secrets in my notebooks, or Evernote setting that Data. Not in a nefarious way, but just selling general customer data. Many if not all companies have found that data about their customers is a very valuable asset.

Or, what are the chances Evernote will get hacked?  Or, they succumbed  to Ransomware like that pipeline company?  

If all my notebooks are local, its on me to protect it.

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I mistakenly allowed Evernote to upgrade my copy of their software and I have regretted it every since. I can't use a product that removes control of my companies proprietary Data.  Having access from multiple devices has zero value to me. Privacy and Security are the only things I care about..

I have had a subscription and depended on the Evernote application since 2014.

I have to ask myself, why risk loosing a significant portion of your customer base by removing an EXISTING feature like Local Notebooks. The only answer I can come up with is they have realized the value of their customers data. They must be selling it.  Maybe not any specific note or notebook, but by aggregating data about location, use, etc for other customers to add to their analytics.

Thinks about that when you add a note with confidential data.

If they don't add Local Notebooks back by the time my subscription renews (2 months), I'm not renewing.

Easygreenus

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Easygreenus:

I'm sad for everyone in your position. I attended Stacey Harmon's webinar about the new Evernote and it seems that *local* notebooks are gone forever.

My notes: what is not returning? Local notebooks; presentation mode; context; scansnap evernote edition firmware and software; outlook clipper

At present, none of those bother me. However, if my employer forbids online notebooks someday, I will have to find another tool/system too.

*edited to be precise--See DT Low, below.

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For consistent definition for a local notebook.
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@easygreenus BlaBlaBla

They must be doing this or that … evil forces at work … world conspiracy … where is my alu foil hat …

The reason for not supporting local notebooks in the new version is much simpler: It is based on a framework, which is practically a browser without an own user interface. The framework handles the relation between EN client (running embedded) and the computer on which it is running.

It doesn’t support local storage.

If you want to have local storage, you can continue to use it with the legacy client.

This will stop working one day: So you better think about exporting your stuff meanwhile to a solution of your choice that is based on local storage.

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42 minutes ago, TerryS said:

it seems that offline notebooks are gone forever ... My notes: what is not returning? Local notebooks

To be clear, Online notebooks are data stored on the server (the master version for syncing)    
                      Offline notebooks are a data copy stored on the device (for access while offline) 
                      Local notebooks are data stored only on the device; not uploaded to the server

Local notebooks are only supported by the Evernote Legacy product   
Online and Offline notebooks are supported by both the Legacy and v10 products

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About the other features they took away:

Presentation mode: Probably too much coding for too little usage 

Context: Not sure about this, maybe a coding issue. I think it would put quite a load on the server, now that everything is running off the cloud storage.

EN edition ScanSnap: The ix500 is end of life, when you go to the Fujitsu web site. So maybe nobody wanted to code new software for them. They are not bricked, they can be converted to standard ix500 by firmware download. However scanner support in general is weak on the v10 client.

Outlook clipper: Probably the same thing - MS is supporting the O365 solutions.

At the moment the support for offline (not local) content is better on the mobile platform. One can choose which notebooks to download, the status is transparent. For me the desktop v10 clients are sort of a black box regarding offline content.

There is quite a lot that needs to be added to v10 - currently a mix of legacy and v10 is probably needed to support more advanced workflows.

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14 hours ago, easygreenus said:

My employer is a technology company. They can't risk Evernote snooping through the company secrets in my notebooks, or Evernote setting that Data. Not in a nefarious way, but just selling general customer data. Many if not all companies have found that data about their customers is a very valuable asset.

Or, what are the chances Evernote will get hacked?  Or, they succumbed  to Ransomware like that pipeline company?  

If all my notebooks are local, its on me to protect it.

Easygreenus

Hi.  Local notebooks won't be back - see your other post for the reasons why - which are purely techical,  not part of some weird conspiracy.  As I understand it - purely as a user - any notes you sync with Evernote are as secure as any assets you store with online banking.  It's true that if information is online it's at risk - but then unless you have a PC that is not connected to any internal or external network,  information on your PC is probably more exposed to hacking than anything deposited with Evernote. 

All you have to do is click on an email attachment / load the wrong web page / go to a business page that has been hijacked by malware,  and you could be ransomed at home. 

Evernote is in the business of protecting its clients' data,  like your bank is in the business of protecting your cash.  They do that full time.  They are (trust me) better at it than you would be! 

There is more from them on the topic...

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I work in a high security area. My laptop is so locked down its barely usable as a computer device unless I'm on a company secured network.

There's no technical reason why Evernote can't bring back local notebooks. They've had to do work to remove them. They made a choice and there must be an economic reason they did it.

Just like Alexa.  With current technology available, there's no reason they can't do local voice processing. There must be a reason Amazon sends all the voice clips they gather to servers in Romania which lacks data privacy laws.

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On 5/16/2021 at 8:37 PM, easygreenus said:

There's no technical reason why Evernote can't bring back local notebooks.

My understanding the technical reason being the Version 10 product is cloud based

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16 hours ago, kevinma said:

No local notebooks.  Goodbye Evernote. Been using since day one.  

It's nice that you joined the forum specially to say goodbye.  Please do tell us what other solution you find out there.

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Especially what other solutions that are not cloud based …

Personally I know 2 on MacOS, and none for Windows, plus the pretty reduced options from some NAS-companies. Would be nice if there are some more.

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19 minutes ago, PinkElephant said:

Especially what other solutions that are not cloud based … Personally I know 2 on MacOS

Care to share?      
Devonthink is a solution

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Apple Notes is the second. It has an option to store on device only, avoiding iCloud.

Pretty different - DT is very deep, costs money (one timer) and maybe even more learning. AN comes for free, is rather flat and basic - but has full OS integration and surprising features from the OS level.

The NAS systems are simple in their features, no comparison to DT or EN. Their advantage is that you host your notes yourself on the NAS. By installing access to your home network, you can sync your notes over multiple devices, without ever loosing control. It stays your data, because you run your own cloud-style server.

But it needs a significant investment, you need to be able to install and maintain a safe home network and server, and the result is pretty basic compared to cloud services.

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Local vs. Online Notebooks was a beauty.  That was the PURPOSE of using Evernote. 

It is inane that they removed this feature.  We need to depend on their security ??  

My account has been breached multiple times in the past year already. 

 

Please bring back Local Notebooks + include security for each notebook !!! 

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Probably it is an illusion that your local data is more secure than the one in a data center. You need to do it all by yourself: Backups local and remotely, network security, updating all software you are using (including these you are not aware of using, like your router software) etc.

If your account was breached, you have not done enough to protect it: Only use strong & unique passwords, activate 2FA, make sure your access is secure when on public WiFi or (worse) public computers.

If you fail to secure your account, I have serious doubt that you are able to protect your home network, including your local notebooks. That nothing has happened until today does not prove it is secure.

Apart from this discussion (I believe everybody needs to think it through and take an informed decision) you can continue with local notebooks as long as legacy works. EN made it clear local notebooks will not return to v10.

There are alternatives with local storage, at least for Apple devices.

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5 hours ago, EVBV50 said:

That was the PURPOSE of using Evernote. 

I wouldn't use the word "purpose" but the Local Notebooks feature was a benefit for my use 

>> + include security for each notebook !!

A new request? - please provide details

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6 hours ago, EVBV50 said:

My account has been breached multiple times in the past year already. 

If you're having warnings from Evernote,  I'd suggest you check the IP address in their emails.  I've had two warnings this year about 'third party access' from foreign countries,  but miraculously all these hits came from my own IP address.  It's an issue with IP addressing (I think) that the country-of-origin is a tad imprecise...

(If you haven't had warnings from Evernote - what makes you think you were hacked?)

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Yes - I use VPN so my IP changes from time to time.  I'm connecting to a UK server,  but -apparently- their IP addresses come up as originating in various foreign countries,  hence the alerts.

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