GrumpyMonkey

look the 2009/2010 stats: http://blog.evernote.com/blog/2011/01/04/evernote-2010-a-year-in-stats/ evernote was launched in 2008. Blackberry os was never, and looking at today will be never,a great marketplace for a software house. Look at desktop stats, linux users are in web users and in the windows users (wine and virtual machine). No stats for other clients. I have an android phone and an android tablet, why i must not have a native client for desktop too? I don't write notes while playing with mobile devices, why i can't use native client while working with my linux laptop? Like blackberry users, they have their mobile and desktop client !!!! Probably i never become an evernote premium user, and probably i'll migrate first to have 50 notes (i have 17 right now) or just wait "google notes" or "google buy evernote" to have my client and become a premium user You said a student wouldn't write their thesis on a 10" screen with a touch keyboard. I am saying that I am a student and I am writing my thesis on a tablet, though most of it is with the external keyboard. iPad 499 + 69 + 29 = 597 Macbook Air = 999 iPad battery = 10 hours (maybe 8, depending on usage) MBA = 5 (maybe 4, depending on usage) iPad = handwriting MBA = no handwriting iPad = reading (portrait mode) MBA = difficult to read a book, for example (no portrait mode) iPad = less powerful, BUT, how much power do I need to write this sentence? MBA = more powerful, and a great computer, BUT more than needed for some tasks simply i was saying you are using your ipad as an airbook with external keyboard i am an system admin, on my tablet i have a 3g module, a vpn client, a remote desktop client, an external keyboard (with two usb ports), the whole *nix tools needed to interact with *nix platform and it is ok when i am on holiday but work with the ultrabook is more comfortable as you can imagine just keep in mind, to pretend a tablet will replace a notebook maybe impossible or very uncomfortable in some circustances (maybe with next tablet generation) just look here https://github.com/nvbn/everpad/blob/develop/data/everpad-note.png and wait evernote ask to everpad to change icon, if not the icon is licenseless and everyone is free to use it I don't think in terms of replacements. Ten years ago I used Windows and occasionally did some work on the Mac -- two devices. Five years ago I got an iPod Touch, so started using iOS and Evernote -- three devices. This year I am using Windows, Mac, iOS, and Android on nine different devices. Nothing has replaced anything -- the gadgets just keep multiplying! The categories are blurring, the uses overlap, and they all work together pretty well, especially with Evernote. Linux? Nothing wrong with it, of course, but Evernote has decided to focus on other clients, probably because it makes sense financially. After all, Evernote, despite its massive user base, is still basically a startup. Blackberry? At least for Evernote, it has been a great investment. At Le Web in London, June 20, 2012, Phil Libin said the income generated per user (averaged out depending on platforms you use) was: Android $1.06, Windows $1.44, iPhone $1.79, Blackberry $2.01, iPad $2.18, Web $1.81, Windows $2.33, Mac $3.16, Food $6.73 (more engaged), Skitch $8.44, Hello $9.22, and 3rd party $9.53. In addition, he mentioned that 75% of users come from mobile, so that explains the tablet and mobile platform emphasis. I am not saying it is "right" or "wrong," what Evernote is doing with Linux, but to me, it makes a lot of sense. If you look at that third-party number, it also suggests that an enterprising app maker for Linux stands to make some money.

You said a student wouldn't write their thesis on a 10" screen with a touch keyboard. I am saying that I am a student and I am writing my thesis on a tablet, though most of it is with the external keyboard. iPad 499 + 69 + 29 = 597 Macbook Air = 999 iPad battery = 10 hours (maybe 8, depending on usage) MBA = 5 (maybe 4, depending on usage) iPad = handwriting MBA = no handwriting iPad = reading (portrait mode) MBA = difficult to read a book, for example (no portrait mode) iPad = less powerful, BUT, how much power do I need to write this sentence? MBA = more powerful, and a great computer, BUT more than needed for some tasks

I am a student writing my dissertation right now on an iPad (I am pleased to say that I am coming to the end of another chapter today). I have an external keyboard now, but every evening I wrtie a bit with the virtual keyboard as well. Pages is quite robust. I will admit to being something of a geek, though not one with much free time.

As soon as we have a single soft drink, a single car maker, or a single ice cream flavor! Personally, I enjoy the variety, and if you think about it, the profusion of OSs and devices created the market for Evernote to come into existence and thrive. Few people would say the Evernote app is the best notetaking app on their respective OS or device, but even fewer would say there is a better notetaking app on every OS/device OneNote, for example, is arguably one of the best notetaking apps ever made (I don't actually think so for my use case, but I respect the product). However, it is laughable outside of its native OS of Windows. In fact, Evernote is as much a platform as an app these days, so it has morphed into something that is quite a bit more powerful than just the sum of its parts. Unfortunately, some amount of discrepancy and divergence will come with the market niche Evernote has created, but hopefully we will see efforts to minimize this in the coming years.

Speaking for myself, I would like two things: (1) Conflicting Modifications notebooks generated on all clients (not just the desktop ones) (2) Highlighting of discrepancies between two conflicting notes Why? The bibliography for my dissertation (several tens of thousands of words) encountered a conflicting modification back in September, and what iOS does in this situation is to paste the conflicting note onto the bottom of the original without any notification. I went along for a long time making corrections and changes to both versions until I discovered that the content had been doubled (without my permission, of course), and in the middle of my note was a message saying there were conflicting modifications. It would have been bad enough to go through the note line by line to figure out where the conflicts were, but now that I have made changes as well, it is a daunting task.I cannot tell you how many hours I have spent on sorting this out, and it may well take me several more months to deal with this one note (I actually have several other conflicting modifications -- I seem to get a few a month now). An additional problem is that the note is now inaccessible on the app that created the problem in the first place. It now takes fifteen seconds or so to open the note, and so far, no amount of tapping in the text field allows me to edit the note. Basically, when I am on my iPad, the note I use the most has now become useless. It is a tragedy of Greek proportions! And, since I do most of my work on the iPad, it has has quite an impact on my daily work. I've lost no data. I'll live. However, a couple of simple features (simple to imagine, but maybe difficult to code) would have enabled me to recognize the conflict had happened, compare the two notes, and get on with my work. What's the solution for now? Because, I don't think we are likely to get either of these feature requests answered soon, if at all (I imagine it is not a high priority). This is my advice: break up long notes into shorter ones. This will make sorting through the conflicts easier, and you'll avoid the problem I encountered. This was actually my policy for everything, but over time the bibliography just kept growing, and I never spent time to break it up. Now, I have one master list with note links to 26 notes (one for each letter of the alphabet) containing my bibliography. Of course, this occurred in September, and by the time I got this set up and running, the Mac version lost its back button, and that made my "solution" untenable. This might explain my grumpiness about the missing back button, but that is griping for another thread

Well, I'd say your chances of getting this to work there are at least better! Maybe not with the current build, which is rather limited, because it only supports editing of plain text, but perhaps in future versions.

Hi. Welcome to the forums. I do not know Mind Manager, but I don't think it matters much, because what you are talking about is the expected behavior. Evernote doesn't have anything to do with most file types. When you try to open something, it looks for a program on your computer or tablet that is appropriate for the file type. On the desktop, your file will open in that program and save back into Evernote. On the tablet, though, the operating systems isolate programs from one another, especially on the iPad, where you "open in" another program and have to "open in" Evernote to get it back into Evernote. This will create a new note, and you are unable to save the file into the same note where you started. I only know of one program that has overcome this obstacle in the operating system -- Quick Office Pro (http://trunk.evernote.com/app/quickoffice-pro-hd/ipad). Unfortunately, it would not work with Mind Manager. Are you using Android or iOS?

You may want to try the latest Evernote Android beta, if you have an Android device, because it looks like Evernote has included RTL support in it.

I never thought of modifying the ENMl. What a great idea. Maybe as Food or Hello, it could be preserved (those notes are un-editable). Ideally, we would get the functionality, but in the meantime, this might be useful.

Just to be clear, there are options already (). They are third-party developers who are using the API -- the same way that a client developed by Evernote would. As far as I know, Evernote has not expressed any interest in developing its own client for Linux.

I would like to be able to assign sort orders to tags and notebooks, but alas, we do not have that. I have to sort my journal entries the same way I sort my meeting notes and research. It is also unfortunate that we do not have a manual sort option. Hopefully, these features will be added in the future. In the meantime, there are some cool workarounds. With the new Mac beta we have the ability to manually arrange shortcuts, and as far as I know, this is the ONLY place in any client we are allowed to manually arrange things. If you have completed projects (maybe a class you took in 2011) then you can sort those notes as you want, drag them all into an "index" note to create note links, and then put that note into the shortcuts menu wherever you want. Now, whenever you want to see your notes related to that class, you can go immediately to the note and everything will be arranged inside however you like. Unfortunately, we lost our back/forward buttons with the most recent update, so it may be a little more difficult than usual to navigate those note links, but we are lobbying to get them back

I prefer to write with a stylus on my iPad/Nexus 7. When writing on paper, I prefer to scan it with my ScanSnap. If you are just using a mobile phone of some sort, you could handwrite the note, take a photo of it, and import that into Evernote. It's easy to do, but I usually edit it a bit (reducing the file size) before putting it into Evernote. In iOS I use ScannerPro. I think ScanR in Android works similarly. None of these mehtods are especially time consuming.

as a point of interest, this is something I studied recently in my graduate economics course. the economic centre of the world in 2008 was slightly east of Helsinki/Budapest. this uses valid (in my opinion) projection techniques to project a point inside the earth onto the surface. the actual point inside the earth: 73 lat, 31 projected lat, 27 long, and 0.54 earth radiuses inside it's shifted steadily east from 1950, when it was roughly between london and new york Have you seen the recent McKinsey Global Institute's report? http://www.mckinsey.com/insights/mgi/research/urbanization/urban_world_cities_and_the_rise_of_the_consuming_class It sounds like you are talking about somewhat similar methodologies for producing the data. It's an interesting thought experiment, but I am still a little unsure about how to interpret the results, because it is based so heavily around geography and GDP, and I am not sure if this is taking adequate account of capital flows. Maybe a future research project

I have no idea where the center of the surface of a sphere is. I have some ideas about where I think the political/economic "center" of the world is, especially if we consider the accumulation of capital. Oh dear, GM... time for a bit of education (courtesy of The West Wing): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n8zBC2dvERM LOL. Thanks for that clip! Actually, maps are a big part of my life. In fact, the first Evernote shared notebook that I joined was made by a Japanese colleague who shared maps of archaeological sites in a province in Japan with me. I am working with a colleague this month on overlaying sixteenth-century domainal boundaries onto a topographical map of Japan, and finding in the process that some of the maps I have used from previous scholarship are wildly inaccurate in places. Anyhow, I think I'll do something similar to that West Wing presentation with maps in my classes next time I teach. I have a bunch of premodern maps of East Asia (and the world, for that matter) that would freak you out (in the words of the West Wing actors)! Video to come someday, when we all learn via the iTunes University chip implanted in our ikids at birth.

I have no idea where the center of the surface of a sphere is. I have some ideas about where I think the political/economic "center" of the world is, especially if we consider the accumulation of capital. However, I do not have the expertise to evaluate any claims about universal anything: languages, grammars, or other weighty topics of cosmic significance. In the context of this thread about LaTeX I was merely commenting on the suggestion that Evernote ought to incorporate this particular functionality into the app.

Hi. Welcome to the forums! Can you specify what you mean by "the problem" with emails, because as you probably noticed in the thread, questions were answered, and problems were solved.

I don't know if it is good or bad customer relations. It is what it is. Amazon, Apple, Ford, Google, Toyota, etc., etc. are all major companies with many customers, and I've rarely seen them offering roadmaps for features. It's nice when they do, and I'd like Evernote to do more posting about their roadmaps, but they're not beyond the pale on this. They do read, so post an argument for your position. Maybe it will help convince them. See the links I posted to the posts and podcasts if you want the latest word (as far as I know) from the Elephant's mouth.

It's a user forum. We are not speaking on behalf of Evernote. I suppose it would be nice if developers would jump in and justify each design decision. Sometimes they do, but we rarely agree I think that it takes a lot of work to respond to users, and I suspect they haven't hired a person to take care of customer relations, so that developers can develop. In the end, that may be a wise decision, because users helping out users can be an effective way of "outsourcing" work, and generate a lively community. I am sure they have spoken more about nested notebooks somewhere, but not so much recently. Here is something I dug up in the forums. http://discussion.ev...ooks/#entry9002 Stacks were introduced a couple of years ago to meet user requests for hierarchies. You can listen to a short discussion of it in the Evernote podcast (Evernote Podcast #24 – The Body Episode. December 27, 2010). Here is a complete list of the podcasts (http://www.princeton...multimedia.html).

Please stop "quoting" generically (and incorrectly, I might add). The bottom line, as i said above is... Those are cold, hard facts. I'm sorry if the facts make you upset. But it would seem it's best to face them rather than for other board users to lead people on by saying, "yes, I'm sure someday that EN will add feature X so just stick with them.". I think BNF is saying something important here. We ought to raise issues, voice our opinions, and discuss the merits/demerits of ideas. However, in the end, no one here knows what in the world Evernote is going to do beyond doing more great things (we hope) So, we have to work with the application / platform we have, and modify our usage to conform to its strengths and weaknesses on each client. For example, if you work on the iPad (as I do) you probably shouldn't bother relying stacks, tag hierarchies, modification of metadata, or the creation of note links (speaking only about some of the main organizational strategies) because they don't work on that client. They might someday, but we don't live in the future, so there is no use (today) in trying to force Evernote to fit into an organizational scheme designed for an entirely different environment (folders and sub folders).

I don't quite familiar with Pinyin, which is the most used in mainland China. We were taught to use ZhuYin in Taiwan. It's an antique that were used in China before 1949. You can look it up here. I know Pinyin but I type faster with ZhuYin for I still have to "think" while typing with Pinyin. The ZhuYin on iOS is very problematic. For example, I want to type the two character word "海浪". With PinYin, I need to type "Hai lan", or only "HL" then choose from words. With ZhuYin on Android, I can type "ㄏㄞㄌㄤ"( without tonal marks and the system will choose the word for me) or only "ㄏㄌ" then choose from words. But on iOS, sorry, I must type "ㄏㄞˇㄌㄤˋ"(including the tonal marks) to get the right word. On android I can only hit my keyboard three or four times to get a two characters word I want, and on iOS I have to hit at least 6 times, up to 9 times to get it. Besides, android's input method is customizable. I can choose Swype of Swiftkey to type. And on iOS I have to stuck on the input method of iOS' itsown IM. Handwriting? You must be kidding. You know how complex Chinese characters are, especially Traditional Chinese. That would be very very slow. I find pinyin to be a lot faster, and zhu yin to be a little painful, mainly because I don't use it on a regular basis. The lack of customizable keyboards in iOS is a pain, but on the other hand, there are no keyboards I really like in Android! As for handwriting, I thought that might be what you meant when you said "trouble," because there is a mix of characters that appear -- only one character recognition program for traditional Chinese, simplified Chinese, and Japanese.

Yes, I know. So I'm still using evernote. I download Epistle and haven't sync it to my dropbox. Just keep it and wait to see how far it can go. As to iOS apps, some of its best can be export to evernote too, so I don't quite use its feature to export to dropbox. And I don't take my notes on iPad often, its Traditional Chinese keyboard is terribly awful compare to android's. And its sandbox has too much limitation in doing things. (Like you can't edit images in Evernote directly by Skitch in iOS while you can do that in android. ) I just want to say dropbox has a potential for note-taking apps. Although there're no good apps for now. Yep. Dropbox and Google Drive have plenty of potential to enable other apps to shine, but weirdly, no one has managed to do it. You would think it would be easy, but I think it is telling that no one can manage it. To give a concrete example, notesy is a great notetaking app on the ipad that has several features which make it far superior to the Evernote app (sorry Evernote guys and gals!), even though it is a lot simpler: list view, reverse title sort, adjustable note previews, etc. Yet, it falls flat on its face with searches. It is totally incapable of handling a large number of notes (about 10,000). It simply doesn't scale up. Anyone can make a notetaking app that handles a few dozen notes. Only Evernote has managed to go beyond that. For all of my complaints about the mobile app, Evernote is (as far as I can tell) the only app that has decent searches (some apps will do a single word well, but no more). It is incredible to me that we haven't advanced terribly far since my days tapping with a stylus on the Sony Clie. I think Evernote is quite possibly the only company that takes searches seriously on mobile. The lack of stackable notebooks seems (in my opinion) to be such a laughably minor thing it is almost not worth mentioning. But, that just goes to show why we need lots of options, because I know they matter a lot to some people. Others (developers of notetaking apps) probably think search isn't worth thinking about. As for traditional Chinese on the iPad, what's the problem? How are you inputting the characters? Pinyin entry brings up the characters and you choose them just as you would on the Mac, for example. The handwriting seems to work fine. I don't see how Android is superior in this respect.

Epistle...? Well, that brings up some interesting points worth thinking about when choosing a notetaking app. (1) How do you feel about giving Matteo (the developer) your Dropbox username and password? (2) How do you feel about having no control over the sync folder, and no subfolders? (3) How do you feel about a simple search (compared to Evernote's advanced search)? (4) How do you feel about having no tags (as far as I know)? (5) How do you feel about no search within notes (as far as I know)? (6) How do you feel about losing data? You have to be very careful with the syncing, and you don't have much control over it... On iOS, notetaking programs that sync with Dropbox are legion. I think a few like notesy stand out from the rest, but this concept is nothing new. For some reason, though, the Android marketplace is a barren wasteland, and there are very few good text editors. It is quite sad. There is a lot of potential with the model, but potential is not terribly practical. Evernote isn't perfect, and I certainly think there is more room for improvement, but it really is doing something unique, especially if you are concerned about data security / integrity / stability.

I agree. IMO, stacks were the answer to sub-notebooks. ... Or it could be as simple as priorities... We just don't know. In the end, speculation by any of us is futile. EN is what it is & they don't post roadmaps or ETAs. So deal with it or find another app. Simple as that. I'm going to continue asking for hierarchical folders just the same. IME tags don't work for me. I don't fear change and I'm smart enough to understand tags. They just don't work for what I do. I also think if EN thinks the way you suggest they never should have introduced stacks (or even multiple notebooks for that matter). I think the web clipper feature of guessing what notebook you want to put an article into (not which tag) also is a tease to us multiple notebook users. I hope EN eventually moves to add the functions that people keep asking for. I know its hard and I know it won't happen overnight but I think we should keep asking if we think it will make EN better. Once again, I hope if EN does add sub notebooks they are not mandatory and the tag users can continue unhindered. I do not criticize EN over this but I will not stop asking for it. I will also not stop using EN and find another app... Good on you. I think voicing your opinions is the way to go, because developers are reading this, and they pay attention. With the exception of the Windows client, where my only complaint at the moment is the inability to search the database from outside the app, I feel like every platform is missing some feature I'd really like to see, so I have plenty of posts all over the forums asking for this or that. Sometimes I get it. Sometimes I don't. But, it doesn't hurt to ask.

It's always cool when users chime in to support one another's viewpoints. I don't think other users are drowning anyone out, but there are people with strong opinions on this issue, and they tend to post frequently, because they are passionate about the product. A genuine difference of opinion seems healthy to me, so I hope that people will continue to argue for their positions on both sides. In the end, we don't get to make policy, but the developers are reading these posts, so you might be able to influence them. I believe care packages might help your case as well Thanks for the kind words. I guess that in this case I get off easy, because I lack passion for the issue. I win either way! I am also the least helpful, because I won't be able to argue forcefully for either side. Strong opinions are good, because they draw out the issues for discussion. For this one, I am mainly concerned about attracting and keeping new users, and I do worry that a lack of notebooks / hierarchical organization discourages people. There are workarounds, of course, but any workaround requires adapting yourself to an app and a fair bit of patience. If I knew the reason for a lack of notebook levels, it might seem more justified, but I'd just as soon see Evernote remove this as a potential obstacle -- assuming, of course, that design challenges are not too significant.