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GrumpyMonkey

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  1. Only 10-20 hours?! I appreciate the effort the original poster put into writing all of that, but I think it was done in poor taste. Your first post here is simply detailed instructions about how to leave Evernote for another app? But, I guess it also says a lot about Evernote if they don't care--a plug for a competitor comes off sounding kind of like a plug for Evernote's simplicity.
  2. I am sorry to hear about the poor experience that danio72 had. It is an Apple only product, which enables it to take full advantage of the OS to offer all kinds of wonderful features that Evernote will probably never have. On the other hand, Evernote is quite rare to be platform agnostic. I think that DEVONthink's sync is finicky at times (perhaps because it relies on iCloud or Dropbox to sync through the cloud), and I have tried to minimize my reliance on mobile apps with it, so if you are heavily invested in working through a mobile app, you'll want to experiment a lot with your workflo
  3. I can’t predict the future, but if past performance is any indication of future success, then Devonthink ought to be fine, because it has been around a lot longer than Evernote (as an app since at least 2004 (2002 for the company)). As for data portability, it is probably the most robust app on the market: if you “index” files, they are never actually put into the app, so there is no need to leave—you just stop using it if you want. If you “import” files, they are also quite easy to export. Amazingly well done, with smooth rollouts of updates (in my experience) and I don’t remember if it has l
  4. Hi. I don't know that the post can be made editable by anyone else. At least, not by me. Sorry.
  5. Hi. Evernote keeps a copy of your notes on your computer’s hard drive, so while it is true that ultimately the server version is the ”official” one, it is not the only one. Dropbox, iCloud, etc. work a similar way. If there is a problem, Evernote also records note histories (I assume this remains in v10), so you can revert to earlier versions of a note. Exporting as .html is one option, .enex is another. At least, those options used to exist, and will probably be added again. Competitors make some pretty slick import options (for the legacy app), so I’ve found it almost effortless to mov
  6. Hmm. Must be user error somewhere along the way. Weird. Perhaps renaming will help. Thanks for the advice.
  7. Thanks. I did completely get rid of version 10, as far as I can tell (after scouring my drive, searches for hidden files and so forth turned up nothing, so it should have been gone). Did I miss something? Maybe. That would be user error on my part. However, my conclusion to shift the bulk of my work elsewhere seems justified, given the circumstances, and Evernote's official stance that the legacy app is only available for a limited time, and they will probably not address any bugs (recommendations will be to upgrade).
  8. Good point. Thanks for stressing this. I think they are likely to have some sort of export, because they are talking about different formats, but when will that come? And, is only being able to select 50 notes at a time a feature or a "missing to be added later" element? I don't know, and I would recommend not waiting to find out. As always, it's good practice to keep daily backups (Time Machine on Mac) and to keep an exported version of your notes on hand (.enex and/or .html). But, as you said, the exports may not be possible for long, so tonight might be a good night to get it done.
  9. Quoting myself a couple of times to clarify what is happening. I "upgraded," found the experience of the current version 10 incompatible with my workflow, downgraded, and have now encountered an irritating bug in the "new" legacy version (7.4.1). Although the new version is disappointing (for me), I had been pleased to see that they kept a legacy version around in order to help us make the transition, but that was before I discovered the legacy app was going to impact my workflow as well. It's nothing critical, but given the circumstances, not really worth enduring, especially when other apps
  10. I'm not sure if this is user error or some cosmic event interfering, but printing a website page to save as a PDF in Evernote on the Mac (the way I have generally saved PDFs to Evernote for years now) stopped working when I downgraded to the legacy version (7.14.1 from the Evernote website). It goes through the process and looks OK, but when I go to view it in Evernote, even after forcing a sync (something we can no longer do in the new version), nothing appears. I can still accomplish this task on a different Mac computer that never got upgraded / downgraded (version 7.14 before the legacy re
  11. Thanks so much for this wonderful contribution to the community! It's nice to hear what the CEO thinks about the business. It's also good to know that it is inspiring and hopeful for other users. One of the nice things about using Evernote is that there is a massive user base, so they generally tend to get lots of input from folks about the app. The downside, though, is that I seem to have a very different workflow from them. Perhaps I am simply an edge case. I prefer to think that the problem is more that there are casual and beginning users who will not encounter a lot of the issues tha
  12. Talking about leaving is fine. I think talking about alternatives is fine as well, to a point. I've mentioned both things in other threads--indeed, tonight I am having to work with competitor because we just lost local notebooks. That's quite a blow. The confidential stuff has to go somewhere, and apparently "remembering everything important" at Evernote doesn't account for stuff I am ethically and sometimes legally obligated to keep encrypted and/or out of the cloud (other folks' servers). Encrypted notebooks, please... I was responding specifically to calling out one of the Evernote sta
  13. The customer support staff (Jeffrey) are people too, and I don’t think we should be demonizing them for doing their job. The same is true for the developers. This is their livelihood, and I’m sure they are doing their best to develop a quality product, so threatening legal action or trying to organize a mass cancelation of subscriptions (their income) is quite unfair. I think we ought to voice our opinions (I have in many places in this forum), even (especially?) if they are at odds with Evernote’s, but we should try our best to do it in a mutually respectful manner. This is an app we al
  14. Hi. Thanks for posting your opinion. I agree that a visible sync button allowing us to force a sync would be welcome, and for many of us it is something we use on a daily basis. Evernote claims the sync is “automatic” now (it was before, as well), and so it has been removed with (apparently) no plans to add it at a later date. “Where did the sync button go? Evernote has a completely new sync architecture and now syncs automatically across all of your devices.” Hopefully, they will reconsider their position on this (they have tried this before with the same reasoning), especially
  15. That’s helpful. Thanks! I will probably be able to get by with the app, but I’d trade any of the nice improvements that make them “excited” for the stuff that got lost in the “streamlining.” I guess I’m not as enthusiastic than they are about it, because (like many users) I’ve been enjoying the app for years. If I wanted a new “experience” I would have used a different app. A “better” experience wouldn’t involve giving up things that worked really well for me, or things I need to get stuff done. No local notebooks may be a deal breaker. There was a complaint about that back in the da
  16. I see. Thanks for clearing up my confusion about the links. Hopefully, they will add in the feature soon. Of course, agreeing to disagree is probably where we will end up, but I think one difference with this release is that we can easily go back to the legacy version. I am using both right now, and for my workflow, a lot of stuff can still be done with the new version, so I am OK most of the time. And, if I need a particular feature, it is technically still available. However, if features remain missing, at some point the legacy app will presumably lose support, and then I will be done w
  17. Hi. The internal note links (creation and use) work fine for me. I am on Mac, though. Is this a problem you are seeing in Windows? As for the loss of features, I'm not terribly pleased about it either, but if we hold Evernote to that standard (paying us / reducing costs for every feature they remove), we'll probably want to call Apple and inquire about those phone chargers (they won't bundle them with the phones for "amazing reasons," because it was the "right thing to do"--it also enabled them to fit more phones on the pallets and save a huge amount of money). As a paying customer, I don
  18. I think the design team for the Mac has made a beautiful app with some interesting features that I am seeing for the first time. For example, there is a new feature link in the sidebar (sorry, working with Japanese version, so not sure what the precise English wording is) that brings up helpful mini videos showing how things work. I imagine this will be helpful in the days to come. The feedback button at the bottom is also convenient, though... if Evernote was listening to the feedback (at least, my feedback), they wouldn't have gone in this direction, or made a public release of a half-baked
  19. Hi. A minor correction, depending on what one thinks of such things, but Evernote stores our synced data on “Google’s” servers, where it rents space. If you’ve synced, the data can be viewed on just about everything by using an app (Mac, Windows, iOS, Android) or with a browser (Mac, Windows). It’s pretty convenient and probably best understood by fiddling around with it for a few minutes. You can give it a try yourself for free
  20. Not much to add except a suggestion to be cautious about jumping from one app to another, reading too much into the news or numbers of forum posts, and playing the waiting game. In particular, though, a comment on the waiting game: if the app isn't worth it for you now (I have my own frustrations with bugs and limitations, some of them mentioned in this thread already), and the good doesn't balance out the bad, I'd recommend leaving. Make do with what we have and don't give too much thought about what could be--there's a lot of could-have-beens and should-have-beens, but there's stuff to get d
  21. Evernote's limitations, especially when it comes to handling sensitive / confidential information, have forced me to come up with lots of irritating workarounds. I generally have DEVONthink (Mac only) for sensitive / confidential items and Evernote for everything else. I do my best with what we have and try not to think too much about what it could be. It's worked for me, more or less, for over a decade now. On paper, if I were mapping out my workflows, there are all kinds of other options that seem appealing. But, for one reason or another, I end up (as mentioned above) "mainly" using Ev
  22. Hi. If I understand your problem correctly, the two-device limit and your employer's restrictions are making it difficult to use Evernote, and you don't see a need for it. Indeed, if you are unwilling or unable to pay for the premium service, and your employer is preventing you from making full use of it anyhow, then you can either: (1) use Evernote on your computer with work-related documents in an offline Evernote notebook or (2) pay for Evernote and just keep your work-related documents on your computer at work It may be that you don't need Evernote. Personally, I find it to
  23. From 2008 to 2017 Evernote ran its own servers, but in 2017 it moved all of the data onto Google’s server. There was some doom and gloom talk back then, and crossed fingers, but here we are three years later with a situation that almost certainly makes it possible for Evernote to deal more effectively with the demands imposed by a pandemic. In 2010, for example, bad hardware(?) caused some data loss—no worries about having to fiddle with the hardware anymore. I don’t remember my comments from the time, but I was likely against the move from a security and independence perspective. If they hadn
  24. I can't speak for anyone else's experiences, but in my experience the search works fine. In fact, I hope that it brings in new users who might be unwilling or uninterested in learning the advanced search grammar. Good idea. But, I'd like to be able to turn it off. I think I mentioned my own pet peeves about predictive searches about a decade ago (!?), when the predictive searches began. They slow things down AND they display a bunch of detailed information about me and my account that I might not want to show to a class of 100 students when I am giving a lecture using Evernote. For anyone
  25. Thanks for the correction. Indeed, there wouldn't be much point in encryption if everything got indexed and saved to a non encrypted location. At this point, Evernote obviously isn't set up to do this, but that's the result of design decisions rather than technical limitations. Again, I'm fine if that's what they want to do, because it is their app to design, but ideally I'd like to see them adopt this suggestion and introduce a new feature such as an encrypted notebook or full database encryption (end to end). Zero knowledge, in my opinion, is something that has become increasingly standard i
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