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This is not a debate, it's just user discussion. Obviously, Evernote has heard the request (viz. Phil Libin's pronouncements). Evernote may do this and deliver it this year, or they may not (for whatever reason). Best to wait until it's been delivered before you make plans to integrate it into your workflow.

The simple truth of it is that Evernote has chosen not to implement all but a minimal amount of hierarchical structure to their note storage. In this, they're akin to GMail (as opposed to MS Outlook).

No, it certainly didn't rip off Linux. OSX is based on a version of Unix, not Linux. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OS_X. Linux != Unix.

Does this have anything to do with the topic of Evernote for Linux? I should think so :-) Have a look at the link and you will find: ... We are now announcing a project to create an Open Source Evernote app for Ubuntu. Driven by the success of the core apps projects, we would like to invite community contributors to participate in the development of this application. ... Ah, my fault for not rolling over the link -- I just read the poster's comment, which didn't appear to have any Evernote connection. Thanks for showing me the light. So yeah, that's cool; hopefully the development community will respond.

Does this have anything to do with the topic of Evernote for Linux?

I would suggest that you contact Evernote and tell them your story. If you truly haven't been using it, then they should be able to figure it out, and maybe you'll get a refund.

Yep, this approach is known, and it can help out with certain scenarios (for example, if you want hierarchical tag searches, it's basically the only way), *plus* you can accomplish mixed AND / OR searching in some cases. The down side is that it's awkward to build and maintain this explicitly coded hierarchy. Otherwise, a strict application of this approach does diminish the flexibility of tags to cut across hierarchies, and you need to know the hierarchy in order to search effectively -- if you don't know that one tag, you may find it hard to find your notes.

Right. There have been suggestions made to extend tag search to handle this case, but that's not something that Evernote has chosen to implement. It might be related to (or at least complicated by) the fact that tag hierarchies get lost when they're shared with other users

Correct, but not necessarily so. There have been a number of suggestions made in the forums as to how Evernote could expose the hierarchical nature of their tag organization to the search language. You need a database, not Evernote for this sort of thing. Evernote employes a database, of course, but doesn't expose it to the the user. There's no question that some organizational problems are particularly well-suited to hierarchical solutions, but that doesn't imply therefore all products that deal with collections of objects need to offer a hierarchical model. You use the tool that suits your problem set. In this case, that tool is probably not Evernote. Of course, if you insist on using Evernote, I see a mix of notebooks combined with tags or possibly just note titles might handle it. Depends on how you intend to use this collection, what your searches would be like, etc. ... The decision was made, and they could change their minds at any time. But in the current world of Evernote, there are some problems that don't lend themselves to their current architecture. That's all most of us are saying here, and not that it's wrong to ask.

My philosophy is somewhat different: use notebooks only where you must, and use tags for everything else.

It's fun to speculate, but I'm not really seeing that (I don't actually understand the bit about 'discrete method of offline access'). Might depend on how they go about implementing such properties. Does a nested notebook get shared if the parent is shared? Same question for offline access. Does a note belong to a notebook that's not its immediate parent (this goes to goes to notebook: search)? Having answered these basic questions, ow do the answers affect the flexibility and discreteness of offline access? Tags are different beasts altogether. They can cut across the current stack / notebook hierarchy, and I'd expect them to do so across any deeper notebook hierarchy. That makes them *a lot* more flexible than notebooks in general.

Really? Who?

Yes, that's bugged me me for awhile as well. I get it a lot because I follow the beta train as well, so I get fairly frequent updates. On the other hand, I don't reboot all that often, so not a big deal for me...

You must not be using your pc very much I guess, if having some very minor app is a deciding factor for you for using an OS. For most people (and me) it's exactly the opposite - no client just means they are just not going to use evernote. Hardly any loss. People use OS's for particular applications most of the time, and not the other way around. If an application that I need (and for some people, Evernote is not just a "minor application"), if it doesn't run on operating system X, then X is probably not a candidate for my choice of operating systems.

I didn't know there was a way to encrypt a single note, I know that I can encrypt selected text but not a complete note. I am going to go and look for that feature. I don't believe that there is. You can encrypt a note's text content, but not a whole note, as far as I know.

Yes, you need to do some planning and forethought before you begin with Evernote, just as with any organizational scheme in any other endeavor. This is not either-or: you can use tags *and* notebooks. I only occasionally create a tag by accident (I wish it were even harder to do that), but in practice I don't find that difficult to deal with. An occasional scan over the list takes care of mistake tags. Tags give themselves context (the context of description, much like adjectives),even more-so when used in conjunction with other tags, notebooks, attributes and text search. Plus tags do things that notebooks cannot: they allow you to cross-categorize notes, rather than have them be stuck in rigid hierarchies. Not everything fits in exactly one place in a hierarchy. Traipsing up and down nested hierarchies is the epitome of unwieldy-ness. Let me describe what I want, not remember where I put it. I don't do extensive tag management. I keep things simple. Don't over-tag. Don't over-notebook. Don't kid yourself: hierarchy is not the only effective organizational scheme in this world.

Um, yeah, I would have thought that all of that was pretty obvious. Since the thread is largely played out content-wise (in my opinion, we could lock it without much fear of missing further light shed on the topic), I thought I'd go a roundabout way of agreeing with Metrodon. But anyways, since you bring up the mobile space, you can perhaps take some comfort in the knowledge that Linux has already triumphed there (in that transitory way that such things are in our fast-moving world of technological marvels), seeing as how Android is based on a Linux kernel.

Oh Metrodon, don't be such a wet blanket. When Linux takes over the desktop, Evernote is going to be sooor-r-r-ry.

It's been awhile since I used it. I wouldn't want to use it all the time, but for making a pre-formatted template it might be just the trick. Let us know if it works. Thanks.

Not sure if the 3rd-party ENML Editor still works: http://enml-editor.ping13.net/, but worth a try, if you feel like mucking around with the HTML under the hood. The ENML spec can help (http://dev.evernote.com/doc/articles/enml.php). The code tag is explicitly allowed.

@RichieJarvis: Well, since the topic is entitled "Simple way to mimic code formatting...", and given the original poster's stated request (line numbering, syntax highlighting; and the "Code" button doesn't deliver those), you'll have to forgive us for focusing on the code formatting aspect. That certainly *is* a niche, and I think that that request is a bit beyond the scope of what Evernote's looking to do, at least at this point. That being said, in the broader sense, sure, I think that we all want easier ways of applying formats more easily, including code / monospaced formatting, and requests like format painters, predefined or user-definable styles are not, in my opinion, beyond the scope of what Evernote could be delivering. So we're not missing the point here -- that point has been amply addressed in many other posts in the forums here. We're just sticking to the topic.

The question was what your guess at percentage of the Evernote user base (i.e., >60 million users) are developers who use this to store code snippets (I'm one) and require format highlight support (I'm not) is (not what is the percentage of users that you know are using it for this purpose)? Given that, you'd have some basis for making the claim that this is or is not a niche activity (and therefore worthwhile for Evernote to do). So is it technically easy? Maybe, but to put in a wholesale highlighting system for arbitrary languages is probably beyond Evernote's intended scope, as far as I can tell). Anyways, my guess is that GrumpyMonkey is correct. I can't testify to his altitude, but he's usually pretty level-headed, and often in favor of adding new features, as well as being extremely helpful to other users on the forum. Take that for what you will.

So a guess at the percentage of coders who use Evernote would be...???

Evernote Desktop for Windows uses the Chromium Embedded Framework. Basically, it's like Google Chrome, only with the "browser UI parts" cut out and with a different application reusing the same foundations (GUI toolkit, networking stack, etc.) So it is actually very much as if it were written in Qt. No need to rewrite anything - well, perhaps some fairly minor portions. Forgive me for not knowing (and I couldn't determine conclusively by a quick reading of the online docs), but isn't the CEF used only for the note rendering part of things, and not for any of the actual UI framework?

And we were all just getting along so nicely when the "I don't have anything valuable to add so I'll just mock other people" guy shows up and ruins it all. Just to clarify (since I also engaged in some light mockery here on the same topic, namely on the notion that alphabetizing a grocery list is a good use case -- it's not, as far as I can tell), mockery itself is not necessarily disallowed here. to wit (from the Forum Code of Conduct): "We don’t mind snark and gibes, but don’t get hateful". There is snark, yes, and it's only marginally topical, but it's hardly hateful. That being said, mockery is probably all that's left to us in this topic. Let's face it: the request is valid, the case is made (sorting's usefulness is pretty well understood, so we don't really need any more test cases or testimony on the topic to make the case any stronger), Evernote are aware of the request, and we've touched on some of the reasons why they may not have implemented it (and we generally don't get a lot of feedback as to their rationale as to why they do what they do). In other words, we aren't likely to be getting any smarter about the topic, so we might as well have a little fun. As far as I'm concerned, the topic is pretty well played-out, and could be locked as is without loss of further edification. Not that I am planning on doing that...