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Wanderling Reborn

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  1. There's a whole lot of emotions in this thread, but it all comes down to whether Evernote make the right decision from a business standpoint. They don't owe anyone a free service, and MS / Google / etc don't provide the free services out of the goodness of their hearts. They use your data to build a dossier on you and sell to advertisers (Google) or political campaigns (MS). MS is also trying to get more people use it's paid services - which would work far better if they didn't also start being creepy. Evernote needs free users to grow it's business. But it needs paid users to survive. Whether they made the right move or not will be known in a few years. Currently, so shortly after the change, we still have the effect of many old free / plus users who were deeply entrenched into EN biting the bullet and paying the new premium, so I fully expect EN to have a good year financially. User attrition over time is inevitable for any service, and it will take a few years to see if under the new model EN can overcome the user attrition by signing up new users. Which to me personally seems very iffy. I still keep a small database in EN just because my wife is very conservative and doesn't like switching to new tools. Basically, cookbooks, user manuals, and family schedules. So the 2 device limit is not an issue, she's the only one using the apps anyway. But I keep 90% of my data in an indexed file folder structure, and so far it's been working very well for me. There's no way that any service, ever, will hold my data ransom or force me to go through a painful export process. I can move my entire 4 GB of data between different providers in 20 minutes + whatever time it takes to sync. @LukeS_MM I used Onenote for over a year and I moved away from it, too. My kids are in the first year of high school and I got each one of them an iPad. They take notes in Notability or Goodnotes (I happened to acquire both apps over the years) and have them automatically backup to the cloud storage as searchable PDFs. Notability can combine text and voice recording, and has a very decent typed text function as well as handwriting. Goodnotes doesn't have voice recording and has a more basic typed text function, but it automatically OCRs your handwriting and makes it searchable both in the app itself, and in the output PDF. Both programs are great for PDF annotation, and really good for class note taking. Three more fantastic iOS programs are Scanbot (great for quickly capturing multiple pages, has built in OCR, works well on existing images with text in them, export to cloud or EN can be automated), Goodreader - which can be used as the main database for all of your PDF files, and OfficeSuitePro - works very well with Office documents and can be connected to cloud storage. Or just use the free MS Office apps if you are storing your files in Onedrive. The cost of all of these programs combined will set you back less than a year of EN, and provide much of it's core functionality. Especially if you use a simple plaintext tagging system. If you use Google Drive or Onedrive, they will search for text in PDFs and inside images. I don't like either of these services from a privacy standpoint, but they would be great for school related stuff. On the desktop, pretty much every OS now has very good indexing / search capabilities. There's really little reason now to lock yourself into a proprietary container type application, especially if the price is too steep.
  2. That is what most people expect an OCR app to do. Not "we can read the text but you can only use it on our service" but "we OCR the document and provide you with full benefits of an OCR'd document including the ability to search for the text in any app that supports it, or copy the text for further use". What EN does is the same thing that Google Drive / One Drive does - it scans the image for text but you can only use it with their service. This is not "true" OCR functionality.
  3. The ability to OCR a photo is indeed much needed, I'd say the users gave up on this thread because it was clearly going nowhere. There's so many uses for this feature, I am honestly surprised you even ask why would someone want this. The phone is one tool I always have on me, and there's very often a reason to take a quick photo of some text / page / advertisement / address / etc. and have it both searchable and ready to be copied. Personally, I am using an iOS app called "Scanbot" that is a pretty good scanner but it also works on existing images. It creates PDFs with text already OCRd on the device. You can set it to automatically send files to Evernote (or Onenote, or Dropbox, or...) An added advantage is that it creates "proper" PDFs with that can be copied and moved between services without losing any of the proprietary OCR capabilities that only exist on that one service. I can't recommend that app highly enough. However, using any 3rd party tool introduces extra steps that could be avoided.
  4. Agree with DTLow (wow ) but I suggest GoodNotes instead, unlike Notability it OCR's your handwriting before converting the note back to PDF. So in the newly annotated PDF, both the original PDF and your handwriting will be searchable. And in my experience at least, the OCR is very good - I have pretty crappy handwriting but I'd say it gets over 90% right.
  5. Totally agree. Todoist, the soon-to-be-defunct Wunderlist, Any.do and many other similar services are just one step above the basic capabilities offered by Google Tasks and Apple Reminders. None of these services support Start date, or advanced filtering. If you have multiple overlapping tasks which take more than a few hours (and sometimes days) to complete and have independent deadlines that can't be changed, then you really need Start dates to make sure a task doesn't just "creep up" on you and there's not enough time to finish it. Nothing like realizing on Thursday morning that a major deliverable is due by next Tuesday, and with all the other things that must be done this week, you won't be able to complete it on time unless you work over the weekend. On the other hand, you don't want dozens of future tasks taking up screen space and fighting for your attention with couple dozen tasks that are more urgent. Both Toodledo and Ticktick that you've mentioned offer that one extra level of control over task display and notification, that is missing from Todoist. Which makes Toodledo unbeatable to me - but perhaps not to someone who doesn't need that level of complexity. (TickTick is a very slick offering indeed, but with it being headquartered in China, I am hesitant to use it for work-related tasks. US may be notorious for NSA spying, but it doesn't even hold a candle to China and Russia when it comes to industrial espionage).
  6. Then I'd suggest the same approach. Put your local notebook in Google Drive, periodically backup to another cloud account using CloudHQ. (This is of course subject to the available space). This way, you have 3 online backups + local.
  7. Google drive does NOT render HTML files. I read this was due to some people attempting to cache entire websites on their GDrive. And I found HTML support in other services like Dropbox or Onedrive to be rather spotty, especially on mobile devices. Also, keeping any kind of a document that you may need to update with notes in HTML is difficult / requires special tools. Adding notes to PDFs, on the other hand, is very easy from any platform. I actually prefer annotated PDFs to Word files for keeping track of issues like billing.
  8. Great ideas, thanks ! A few that I would add: - a dedicated mobile scanner software optimized for multiple page processing. I use Scanbot but there's more than one. It has automated cropping / text enhancement, and automated save (I have it saving to GDrive but I believe Evernote can also be set up). It is significantly faster and more convenient than using a desktop scanner, with acceptable quality even in challenging light. Can create encrypted PDFs. And it's always within reach, unlike a desktop scanner. - For people who prefer to write notes by hands, GoodNotes on iOS is a godsend. Not only is it a very decent notepad type program with easy handwriting, but it also has excellent OCR (the best by far on my terrible chicken scratch) and it can be set up to automatically upload a PDF copy of your note to cloud with all of your handwritten notes OCR'd and searchable. - For sensitive data stored in the cloud (not EN) I highly recommend Cryptomator. It's a free open source cross-platform tool that encrypts files & scrambles file names. You have to mount it to see the content. Basically like Truecrypt except it uses individual files instead of one huge container. - The final part of the puzzle is backup. Again, if you're using EN, it's handled on their end. For anything stored in cloud storage like GDrive, I highly recommend getting an alternate storage solution (Onedrive, Dropbox etc) and setting up a one-way sync (backup) or weekly two-way sync using the free CloudHQ service. This way, if one of the cloud storage craps out, you have a copy elsewhere. - Overall, I find the iOS ecosystem to be significantly more paperless-friendly than Android (and I've used Android for years). This is likely to change eventually, but for now at least, things like Touch-ID enabled bank and password apps, Goodnotes, a variety of scanner apps all make a decent iPhone or iPad an extremely easy tool for going paperless.
  9. As of June of this year, according to this tracking site, Linux market share on the desktops is just over 2% https://www.netmarketshare.com/operating-system-market-share.aspx?qprid=10&qpcustomd=0 Add mobile into equation, and it drops even lower. Many younger people don't even have a laptop / desktop. So, even if the proportion of Linux users among Evernote users is double or even triple the overall average, you're talking about 3-6% of all users. How many of them are paying users ? Maintainig a separate client takes money away from other parts of the business. Is there going to be enough paying Linux users to offset both the direct cost and the lost opportunity cost ? MacOS has a relatively small market share as well, but Mac owners are used to paying for software and services, and I suspect the proportion of paying users among Mac owners is much higher than among Windows users. Linux community embraces free open source. While many Linux users are just as willing to pay for the things they use, there's also a large slice of community who oppose paid services on principle. DotCommunism is running strong there. This is why Mac platform receives a disproportionate amount of attention from some developers, yet Linux is left to linger. I do agree that making EN client run under Wine shouldn't be a huge investment. But I am not a programmer.
  10. In many corporate IT departments, Evernote is a bad word - they don't want employees uploading sensitive data to the sites they can't control. E.g. I work for a very large corporation and I can access Evernote web but can't upload any attachments. So getting the IT involved may result in them realizing they have a hole to plug, and cutting off the OP's access at work completely. I would just try setting up a new Gmail or Outlook.com account, with auto forwarding to work account. Send EN email to that address and it will forward to work address.
  11. 1) If you don't store file attachments in your Onenote, then exporting as either Doc or PDF should work fine. And if you don't mind having large documents & using search extensively, you may save yourself some time and export whole sections. 2) Apple Notes is indeed a great program.... until you decide to pull information out of it, especially if you ever switch OS. There's no way that I know to use Apple Notes on a Windows or Linux or Android or Chrome OS machine outside of the slow and clunky web access, which at the present time doesn't allow attachments. And on the iOS at least, no way to batch export notes. It really locks you into one vendor, which is never a good thing. Are you using file attachments in Notes a lot ? If not there's probably a number of more future-proof ways of taking notes.
  12. And there's absolutely nothing wrong with this. It was a discussion on EN alternatives, and as someone who used EN religiously for a while and have been looking at various alternatives for the past 3 years or so, I thought I'd chime in. If it works for you, that's great. I am not trying to make people ditch EN for ON or GD or whatever, I am just providing my (unrequested) POV. Using any service requires a certain degree of trust and hoop jumping. There's simply no way around this.
  13. I honestly don't care. If I don't want them to know something, I'll encrypt it. Otherwise, it's kind of pointless to hide user manuals, remodeling quotes or travel reservations from Google when people use Gmail and Google search and Android phones. Or Outlook.com and Bing and Windows 10 computers. Your emails and daily location data and search queries (and credit card transactions, and Amazon purchase history, and a myriad of other data bits that practically all retailers and services share about you) paint a much more comprehensive picture than a pile of documents and notes you keep somewhere. What worries me more is how good are they at preventing unauthorized access to my data, maintaining it backed up and accessible, and how easy is it to move around. You can always use an alternate paid service like SpiderOak if you're concerned with privacy. Or, just keep everything in encrypted format. I don't know if there's a way to index and search encrypted containers on mobile devices - never had the need - but it's very easy to set up on Windows or Linux while keeping the index itself secure.
  14. I've used a centralized encryption (first PGP Disk, then FreeOTFE, then TrueCrypt) since late 90s. Almost daily. Never, ever, ever had data loss. That said, Cryptomator does encrypt files individually, and not in one huge volume, however there's no way to say which resulting file is what original file without mounting the whole system first.(Perhaps by file size ? But the file names are gibberish).
  15. Cryptomator mounts as a drive in Explorer so getting data out of it is as simple as entering the password and copying the top level directory. No need to convert anything, or decrypt individual files. It's also open source and posted on Sourceforge, so even if the project ever folds, the program and it's source code will remain available. If I ever find a better alternative, switching over would be as simple as moving files between two drives. I switched between a few encrypted storage solutions in the past 15 years, it's about as painless of a process as it gets. Click, drag, drop, done. There are indeed many alternatives, I just happened to like that one better.
  16. The HTML was not the best choice for conversion, and I wouldn't do it again that way. Luckily it's old notes that I rarely re-visit. I am converting them to PDF or Doc as needed.
  17. Hi everyone, checking in to share some experience of using an alternative for the past 7 months. (Actually, I switched to Onenote about year and a half prior to that, but for all intents and purposes EN and ON are somewhat related services.) So, seven or so months ago, I finally bit the bullet and decided to try something I've been thinking of for a while - stop using any sort of dedicated data capture and storage service like Onenote or Evernote, and move all of my data to a file folder cloud based system. A very big part of this decision was the desire to never again have to deal with system migration and file conversion. So, here's my setup. It's been working fine for me, with some things being better and some things being more difficult than using a dedicated service. All of my data is kept in Onedrive, and synced to Google Drive using CloudHQ free service. The sync part is not really required, mainly I did this to figure which service I liked better, but grew used to having my data duplicated. All of my files are in common format - PDF, Office doc and excel, or images. If I ever have to switch over to a different provider, no conversion will be required. I use Google Drive and Onedrive search. Primarily Google because it's app loads faster on my ancient Mini 2. Both services will OCR a document or image with text. For sensitive data, I use an app called Cryptomator. It provides strong encryption, and has very decent clients for pretty much every OS. There's a choice of several similar app, I picked this one for being open source, free, and very cross-platform. (There's also a way to index files hidden in Cryptomator by using another free software.) For capturing paper documents, there's a very good and wide choice of scanner type software available for both iOS and Android, usually complete with OCR. I settled on a program called Scanbot, which is very well thought through and optimized for batch processing and automated saving of captured documents. I haven't touched my flatbed scanner in months. For taking notes, I use a number of apps, basically whatever I feel like, as long as it meets a few main requirements - (1) fast (2) automatic saving to cloud (3) common file format. Most usually it's either Goodnotes or Notability on myiPad, set up to automatically save a PDF version of note to the cloud when I exit the program. Goodnotes is especially great for quick handwritten notes because it automatically (and pretty accurately) OCRs handwriting so the resulting PDF can be searched. There are negatives as well, which for some people may be deal breakers: 1) Storage capacity. AFAIK Google offers 15 GB free (combined with email) and Outlook something like 5 ? (I was grandfathered into 30 GB). Not a problem for me - I only have about 3 GB worth of data, but may be an issue for some people. (But then the cost of added storage is pretty reasonable). 2) Google Drive specific issue: it will not search in large PDFs. Onedrive seems to work fine on them. 3) Another Google Drive specific issue: if you're using Google Drive, it will default to Google Docs format for new documents. I prefer to have physical access to actual files rather than hyperlinks to them. 4) Google Drive is terrible at handling HTML documents. On the iOS, practically unusable. So, if I had to stick with only one service, I'd pick Onedrive. However GDrive has it's own advantages as well: it's faster on older iPads, Chrome's "Save to Drive" command creates a PDF of a web page with hyperlinks preserved, perfect for clipping, and it's generally directly supported by more apps and extensions. Having both services in sync worked the best for me. Sorry if it was a long-winged post.
  18. No, it OCRs every PDF, whether exported manually or saved as a backup. If you set Goodnotes to automatically back up all files to cloud storage in PDF format, the resulting PDFs have OCR. I don't ever export a note unless I need to email it to someone. I just know where to find a PDF version of it. In a way, it works just like Evernote / Onenote / Keep - you write something down and you can find it in the cloud without any additional work on your part. Another benefit is that if you need to add to that note and you don't have your iPad / iPhone nearby, you can always just open it in a PDF viewer and add a typed comment. OK, I understand now ! You are using manual backup, that's why you're getting this. The best way to use it is to set up auto backup, this way every note you take gets saved automatically as an individual unzipped PDF file with OCR. (Correction: each time you make a change to a notebook, it will be saved as an individual PDF with OCR; individual pages have to be exported manually). If I have to generate dozens of notes, and I am at my desk, I just use Word. For project planning, I really like using a mind mapping tool, then once I am done with it I export the data to a common file format. I don't really care what tool I use to generate a particular note, as long as they are all easy to find and are saved in a common format I can use on any device. My biggest gripe with GoodNotes is the entire notebook approach. It's great for someone maintaining class lectures, but I much prefer individual single notes, like Notability. I wrote to the developers a week ago and was told they are working on releasing a new version which will support a quick single note creation. For now, I just set up 3 notebooks and clean them up periodically.
  19. Actually, importing to Evernote should be as simple as saving any PDF. And it can be automated via IFTTT (you can set it to monitor the GoodNotes PDF backup directory in Dropbox or GDrive, and auto upload to EN).
  20. You can correct handwriting when exporting it manually. I don't think there's a way to correct it when exporting a PDF automatically. I'd say I get well over 90% accuracy with a decent stylus, and my handwriting is terrible. I seem to be one of the few people left who still write in cursive, plus English is not my native language and my handwriting is probably affected by this (different learned strokes). So if it works for me, it should work for anyone I only still have Evernote free which I am not even using, just keep it around so I could use this forum (lots of good data organization info here that is more or less universal) so no comments there - I think you need a paid membership to search through PDF files ? I can however find text in my handwritten PDFs when searching in GDrive. So it probably works the same way. Basically, as I understand it, the OCR text in PDF is handled by a special layer, so the result should be the same as with a typed PDF that has that OCR layer embedded.
  21. This may be something that's been known to everyone for ever, but it came as a total surprise for me. I long knew that GoodNotes had some of the best handwriting recognition out there. What I didn't realize was that when you export your note as PDF, your handwriting will be searchable in that PDF, and can be copied as text. (It seems GoodNotes automatically OCR's your text in the PDF it generates, and it's doing it right there on your device). Combine this with the fact that GoodNotes is the only handwriting recognition program out of many I tried that accurately recognizes >>90% of my - admittedly terrible - hurried chicken scratch. Spreading the joy... (I don't think the people behind GoodNotes do a very good job promoting their own app, to me this is a major feature that no other similar app - that I know of - has, and it needs to be at the top of their web page, not hidden somewhere in description).
  22. I am using an iOS app called "Scanbot" (I think it's available for Android too) and it's the best scanner app I've ever tried, by far. Afaik it allows scanning directly into Evernote. It's also well designed for quickly scanning large number of pages. Supports OCR and allows creating password protected PDFs. I can't recommend it enough. On the desktop, the open-source freeware NAPS32 is very good too, fast and configurable, although I am not sure if it can be configured to scan into EN directly (probably would work via Google Drive or iCloud and IFTTT). For the long term storage, I think PDF makes more sense, since it is more widely searchable by more apps on more systems, and the text can be exported out. A JPEG will be searchable by EN / GD / OneDrive but not Windows or Linux indexing, a PDF will be searchable by most indexing apps and by these storage systems as well.
  23. This seems like a whole lot of work, honestly. Also, you are now reliant on that file always being there with the same link address. What happens if for some reason you no longer use GDrive ? Also, this is my personal preference, but I hate password protected PDFs. If I use more than one file (e.g. preparing for a tax return) and especially if I am using a mobile device, entering these passwords becomes a massive PITA. What I am doing instead - not saying it's a better way to handle sensitive files, but to me it's just as safe and way more convenient - is I am keeping them in an encrypted file container. There's a whole number of well regarded products, both commercial and open source, that provide on-the-fly encryption with various degrees of cross platform compatibility (Veracrypt, VIIVO, NcryptedCloud, Cryptomator, Boxcryptor etc). This way, you can set up a single secure password, and you only have to enter it once per session. The container is mounted as a drive in Windows (so if you want to set up a shortcut to a PDF file inside the container, the shortcut should stay the same regardless of where you put your container as long as you always use the same drive letter to mount it). Every file you put into container, whether on your computer or mobile, is automatically encrypted. Some of these programs allow using key files in addition to passwords (although I think it's an overkill for most people ) and some can be optionally unlocked with TouchID - a great feature when scanning and saving lots of financial documents using my iPhone.
  24. Thank you. I am not easily thrown off balance, but this news was hard to take for a while. Especially because he was one of these very rare people who don't change as they grow up and mature, it's the same person you've known since childhood. Anyway, I already sent the transcripts to his family..
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