Dave-in-Decatur

Yes, the suspect (and for-sure) posts do have a "robotic" feel to them. Something very "Hal"-like, as in "I'm sorry, Dave, I can't do that." Hopefully they never get much better.

Remember the old idea that given infinite time, an infinite number of monkeys, and infinite typewriters, they could produce the works of Shakespeare? (Or something like that.)

The only delicious irony in this for me is that we have dedicated professionals isolating themselves from human contact for days and weeks on end trying to program software that sounds like human contact.

For the record (if anyone ever looks at this record!), Cronofy's support very promptly responded and advised me to simply restart the connection at https://evernote.cronofy.com/. I did so and it is working perfectly, and very speedily, again. In the meantime, I tried out the direct connection from Evernote to Google Calendar, and will probably use it for some purposes and Cronofy for others.

52 minutes ago, Chrispolotic said:

Evernote is hemorrhaging subscribers by the Millions. This is evidenced by the fact that there are tens of millions if not Hundreds of millions of people on competing apps. Those could have been Evernote customers.

Can you provide your source for these figures? The fact that however-many million people use other apps doesn't prove that they have all left Evernote to do so, any more than Evernote's 200 million or so users all ditched Google Keep or OneNote for Evernote. It would be great if Evernote could OCR handwriting, but I don't think any of us here actually knows how easy or difficult it would be to add that--or whether Evernote's new ownership has any plans to do so.

This is not a problem with Evernote, I think, but with Cronofy, a service that integrates online services, including connecting Evernote and other services to calendars, including Google. I know a few other people here use this service, so before I contact Cronofy support, I just want to see whether they are experiencing this problem as well.

The advantage of Cronofy's calendar connector is that it is two-way. When I set a reminder in Evernote, it is shared with Cronofy, which creates a Google Calendar event for it with an alarm at the same time as the Evernote reminder. In Google Calendar, I can then change the date and/or time of the event, and this is synced through Cronofy back to Evernote, changing the reminder in the note. Lately, however, it's only been going one way: I can create and change reminders in Evernote and they sync through Cronofy to Google Calendar;  but if I change the event date or time in Google it does not change the reminder in Evernote. This results in missed reminders and general confusion.

So: any other Cronofy users seeing this? Again, I believe it is an issue with Cronofy, not Evernote, and the solution will lie there. I'm just gathering data. (And yes, I know I can connect Evernote directly to Google Calendar with my paid subscription, but my understanding is that I have to first create a Google event and create the Evernote note from there; it doesn't work with Evernote reminders, again leading to multiple reminders.)

Lately I've noticed a couple of responses to old threads that haven't had posts in a year or more, which seem to simply summarize the initial post and some of the discussion, without necessarily using the specific terms found in previous posts, and without making any actual contribution to the discussion. Here is an example:

The post is bland, to the point where one user described it in the thread as "bloodless." That's a good description, and I would say pointless as well. To me, this feels like a proof-of-concept attempt by some actor who is not a participant in the forums, some kind of test of whether an AI chatbot like chatGPT can draw information from a forum thread and produce a rational-seeming reply.

Here is another example, which draws on information from outside the forum thread:

Regarding the two or three that I've seen, I would give them an A+ for Artificial, D+ for Intelligence. I'm a retired professor in the humanities, very used to spotting "filler" text in a student paper, something meant just to reach the required number of pages without having to, you know, think of anything. These posts feel like that, and they follow the same practice of cobbling together already-expressed ideas with some changes in wording. They use coherent, correctly formed English sentences to make coherent, and yet somehow utterly useless, paragraphs.

But surely nothing done online is completely pointless. If this is bot-work, what is its purpose? Possibilities that come to my mind:

1. Simply testing to see whether the generated response seems (to the bot-controller) to be acceptable prose.
2. Testing to see whether other people in the forum are fooled into thinking this is a real person. So far, not happening.
3. A beginning of some effort to manipulate discussion in the forums to serve some ulterior motivation, perhaps in service of an Evernote competitor.

3 seems unlikely to me. In the case of 1 or 2, it may be that the forums are being used as a testing ground for bots to be deployed elsewhere for some nefarious purpose.

I would be interested in how others, especially veteran participants in the forums, see this. Does it seem like AI chatbot work to you? If so, how well does it seem to be working? Have you seen anything similar on other online forums? What do you think might be the purpose (granted that we are only speculating, and therefore likely to devolve into paranoia)? Does it seem like a minor annoyance, or the camel's nose under the tent of something more alarming? I would also appreciate it if Evernote staff responsible for the forums would chime in.

5 hours ago, PinkElephant said:

Basically I agree, getting Spotlight back would be a nice move. However I doubt it - EN has created its own format for the local database, making it difficult for OS resources to read it.

About the post above: We get more and more forum posts that read sort of „bloodless“. I think some users have started to post statements here produced by AI-bots like ChatGPT.

This is violating forum rules, and it can’t be in the interest of human forum participants.

I saw at least one other such post just yesterday. Bloodless is a good description, and also pointless. To me, feels more like a proof-of-concept from some actor who is not a participant on the forums. I'm not going to report it, just so it will stay posted and serve as an example to link to when I start a separate thread on the topic.

3 hours ago, MarioRanchi said:

I hear ya on the Evernote for Linux client release, it's been a hot topic for a while now. Unfortunately, Evernote officially discontinued support for their Linux client back in 2015, but there is good news!

Apologies if you're real, but this looks bogus, AI-generated. Anyone else think so?

6 hours ago, jhonmarton said:

may have alternative search options built into their app

Welcome to the forums, and, umm, I guess to Evernote. Do you use Evernote yourself? Or is this some test of whether an AI bot can draw information from a forum thread and produce a rational-seeming reply? If so, A+ for Artificial, D+ for Intelligence.

10 hours ago, acedashdog said:

A good point. But having a choice, or starting without one, is much preferable to having one and then having it taken away for other people's benefit

By "other people" I suppose you mean people who use Evernote on platforms other than Windows. A fair point in that situation, but Evernote is designed precisely for cross-platform use (optionally by more than one person), and so indeed it might make sense for someone who is only in a Windows environment to use a different app to take full advantage of features available only in that environment.

On 1/29/2023 at 9:59 AM, eric99 said:

Thanks for testing 🙂  I forgot to mention that my tests were also with a stable WiFi setup (200 Mb)

Please keep us informed how performance evolves next weeks...

Updating: So far (less than 2 weeks) I haven't encountered problems with duplication or sync. I have been using it mostly at home on a steady WiFi connection. Nor have I had problems with the camera--last night I updated a note with 6 or 7 pages from a book, and I found that the Auto setting worked well and the ability to crop before saving was very welcome. I don't discount the issues others have reported. As noted previously, I have a couple of times had notes take a minute to sync, sometimes seeming to require manual intervention, sometimes just having the green "Sync me" tag retained after sync had happened. I also had the auto-rotate issue that's been reported on other threads; restarting the phone fixed it, and it hasn't returned. The only other problem is that a couple of times when I return to Evernote after awhile it goes to a previously viewed note instead of Home--possibly I still had that note in view when I last used it?

5 hours ago, 217d30612be3 said:

Before I take the leap, does anybody have any updated comments on the latest Android version? Is it still bad in 2023?

I got a new (Samsung) phone recently, and so finally upgraded to v. 10. I do not find it bad at all, but highly functional. So far (less than 2 weeks) I haven't encountered the problems with sync or duplication that others have reported. I have been using it mostly at home on a steady WiFi connection. Nor have I had problems with the camera--last night I needed to update a note with half a dozen pages from a book, and I found that the Auto setting worked well to photograph just the pages and not the background, and the ability to crop before saving was very welcome. I don't discount the issues that others have reported, and I'm prepared to take my lumps if they happen to me. I have a couple of times had notes take a minute to sync, sometimes seeming to require manual intervention, sometimes just having the green "Sync me" tag retained after sync had happened. Not a biggie, since I had the minute to spare.

I've been a satisfied customer for 10 years, and I'm renewing my subscription when it falls due, and here's why: it works well for me, better now than the old version ever did, and I like the look of it. Since we are other users here, not Evernote staff, we can't weep and gnash our teeth at how badly we've failed @acedashdog. But we can express our opinions too.

4 hours ago, acedashdog said:

Any application that can edit text on a GUI has access to the system fonts of that GUI. That’s kind of the point. From MS Word down to Notepad, it’s standard.

But which GUI would that be? Windows, Mac, Android, iOS? How should Windows' Copperplate Gothic Bold be rendered on Android? I also chafed at the limitations of the fonts in v. 10 early on, but I've come to accept that in a broadly cross-platform app, this is necessary for consistency of display; that's kind of the point. And since Evernote is not a desktop publishing app, it hardly needs to have every formatting capability possible. I hope they add some more fonts, but I find that I can take notes, and even distinguish particular parts of notes, with what there is now.

1 hour ago, Barcelona said:

Well, that makes two of us. Let's wait for more to report it, and hopefully the company will notice it here somehow.. 🙂

Generally speaking, these forums are user-to-user; though Evernote staff may look in at times, this isn't the regular channel to report bugs directly to them. That would be https://help.evernote.com/hc/en-us/requests/new. It is open to people with paid subscriptions, but certainly the more people who report the problem there, the more attention it is likely to get.

My understanding--with no official confirmation--is that a video posted in response to a question or discussion is fine. I found @Dave Edwards' posts in the ongoing Backlinks thread very useful. The issue I have is with creating a thread just to announce a video. Sigh. Sorry to have kicked up a sandstorm. It would actually be good, as @PinkElephant suggested, if the forum mods started a forums specifically devoted to tutorial links.

Here is the help article on installing Legacy: Install an older version of Evernote. There have been many reports that Evernote is working on a greatly improved syncing process, which hopefully will sort out these issues of speed on iffy Internet connections.

No, I'm not trying to criticize the discussion ... OK, well maybe a little bit, but just in my own mind ... I just wonder if Microsoft hosts a OneNote forum where they talk about how best to move to Evernote. But apparently I don't wonder enough to go look. No offense meant, just running my mouth.

Now I can see why this would be a problem, if it's blocking something that is more useful for you. On my other computer, I do have an up-to-date Web clipper (7.29 anyway), which has the Task, Tag, and Notes/Comments options at the bottom. At my screen resolution I can see them all, and since I use comments pretty often but seldom tasks or tags, it would be annoying to have to adjust the resolution/zoom to get to that field every time. But I'm sure you're right, the sequence is not user-configurable. About all you can do is use the Feedback feature in the Evernote client to request that reordering these options, or selecting which ones to show, become possible.

I just want to say that I think it is remarkably generous of Evernote to pay for a forum in which people discuss in detail how to use something other than Evernote.

2 hours ago, gramfin said:

its like trello I guess:
My Uni use it, like a living eveolving post it
Dunno if you can see it here:
https://gcuniv.padlet.org/benshepherd/lion-versus-eagle-week-2-what-s-happening-this-week-hac81jy745ylgpsd

Nice! Almost makes me wish I were back in front of the classroom again just to try it out. And grading papers. And going to committee meetings.... Oh wait, no. 

1 hour ago, DougLietz said:

What would be great enhancement to this new Backlinks feature is to have another drop-down list at the top each note (just like the Backlinks drop-down list), but this one would list all out going links from the note you are on... both internal links as well as links pointing to external sources. Evernote already shows the clip link up at the top, if the evernote was clipped from the web. That clip link could be part of this new "Outlinks" drop-down tab that I am suggesting.

Hopefully I described that in a way that makes sense.

And since I am already in "Wishlist" mode ... the next development I would love to see is to have some sort of visual or graphical representation page/interface that gives you a 30 thousand foot view of all the notes in your database and how they connect to each other. Obsidian does this really well with their dynamic representation of a neurally connected network... like having a digital 3rd brain where all the nodes are clickable (true bi-directional linking).

Nice ideas, especially the first one, especially for a longer note. I guarantee you if I had the second one I would never get anything done beyond clicking around among all those note links. 

3 hours ago, Grubich said:

The predefined headings in the editor disappeared since the rollout of the new version. Is there a possibility to enable headings or is this function not available anymore?

Welcome to the forums. What @gazumped said. If this is in anything other than the Web client, your best might be to uninstall and reinstall, or first just log out, maybe restart your device, and log back in. Something may have gone wrong during the installation, which a reset might fix.

16 hours ago, Eakinsjc said:

I have just learned my subscription is increasing from €29.99 to €43.99 , an increase of nearly 47% - I consider this a ridiculous amount and will be immediately looking for an alternative to Evernote.

Welcome to the forums. If you search around, you'll find there are a number of threads on this topic. Among other opinions expressed (by me and one or two others) is the thought that Evernote was underpriced for a few years, and that they would have done better to have increased prices a little at a time rather than so drastically all at once. I do wonder (but I don't have any reason to think it's true) whether the price increases were part of the deal with Bending Spoons to recover some of what they must have had to borrow to buy Evernote. If so (a big if), again not well thought through IMHO.

Out of curiosity what plan are you on? I assume it is one of the "grandfathered" older plans. I just checked, and my Professional plan will still renew at $100, although new ones are $110.

Also 10 years ago! February 26, 2013, to be exact.

4 hours ago, Adilson Cardoso said:

Algumas notas que eu tinha sumiram, aparentemente, após a atualização! Eram muito importantes, preciso de uma solução urgente!!!

From Google Translate: "Some notes I had are apparently gone after the update! They were very important, I need an urgent solution!!!"

Welcome to the forums. We are users, not Evernote staff, here, so there are limits on what we can do. It would be necessary to have more information in order to suggest a solution. Have you checked the Web version of Evernote (go to https://www.evernote.com/ and log in)? If the notes are there, they are not lost.

There is a Portuguese-language forum where it may be easier to get help: https://discussion.evernote.com/forums/forum/285-brazilian-portuguese-discussions/.

I've just experienced this in a recent installation of Evernote 10 on a brand-new Samsung Galaxy S22 Ultra. Changing the camera setting did not fix it, but restarting the phone did. I've reported it to Evernote support.