Dave-in-Decatur

On 2/17/2023 at 3:12 PM, dleach4512 said:

Shareable links not working. While sharing info with a website designer, it was found that the link isn't working at all, it just gives an error.

https://www.evernote.com/l/ABzUQdVEMYBEKaTFsJ-bk0Y/

So, back to this original problem: could you use the Web client to create a link, and if so does that link work? Still the UI you don't like, but you wouldn't have to install v. 10 just to get links.

On 2/23/2023 at 2:43 PM, AngryEvernotePremiumUser said:

No offense but I'm talking about a rare, yet for some power users very essential feature now missing in Evernote v10 and you're talking about the new home screen - how are these two things related?

Imagine you have an old car and the autoshop builds in an air condition, yet at the same time they remove the trunk and limit your speed to 40mph by putting in the engine of a lawnmover. Not a big deal if you use your car only once a week to got to church and grocery shopping but that's how it feels like working with v10, a fancy home screen won't change any of that.

 

On 2/23/2023 at 1:43 PM, AngryEvernotePremiumUser said:

When v10 was released many people have done exactly that, you can read it up in this very forums

However 2 years have passed now and nothing really has changed, v10 still feels like a bumped up representation of the evernote website rather than a fully fledged Win32 client and I don't see how that is gonna change anytime soon if they didn't fix it in 2 years time

That only leads to two possible conclusions:

1) There are simply no plans to add features that were present in v6, if they didn't do it in 2 years why should they suddenly do it now?

2) it's technically impossible as v10 is meant to be a windowed web app rather than a fully fledged Win32 app (Facebook tried something similar with their Android app a few years ago but quickly reversed course)

I just want to remind Evernote that their main source of income are subscription plans paid for by power users like me, redesigning the product so that it better fits the average Joe writing his shipping list with a free plan isn't a sustainable strategy (and there are already better apps for this)

OK, here are both statements in full context. I repeat, which is it: the issue is a rare one found among some power users, or it affects power users who are the main source of Evernote's income? It can't be both, unless you really are contending that the limited number of people with two accounts who need to view both at once and drag notes between them are the mains source of Evernote's income.

And please stop insulting everyone who doesn't use Evernote the way you do as being just people making  shopping lists.

3 hours ago, LifeCoachShari said:

The inability to manually sync evernote has become a dealbreaker for me. I'm switching to something else. I'm sick of leaving my house, expecting all of my notes to be on my phone after updating them at my desk, and yet an hour later, they still aren't synced. It sucks. So I downloaded all of my notes and am migrating them to something more user-friendly.

OK, but it is always possible to manually sync: in the Windows desktop app, Ctrl+R (something similar in the Mac desktop, I think); in the Web client, refresh the browser; in the Android app, pull down on a list of notes, or go to Settings > Sync > Sync now. Some of these are more cumbersome than others, but they all work. It may not hurt to do this, then grab your car keys and adjust the thermostat, or whatever, before turning the computer off. I can't say it's always true, but I would guess that most failures to sync happen when a device is shut down, not in the intervening hour or so.

20 hours ago, dleach4512 said:

"It was concluded that links created on legacy don't work in the new version. Fact, stated, done." WRONG

Well, but isn't that exactly the point made on that other thread, and referred to in this one? Whatever. As I understand the state of the discussion: share links created in the legacy app don't work anymore; that's a problem for people who have a lot of such links to deal with; but Evernote is not going to update the legacy app to produce the currently usable links.

OK, I understand it wouldn't suit everyone's workflow.

We are other users here, not Evernote technical staff, so we can't readily interpret the error code. You should report this to Evernote technical support: https://help.evernote.com/hc/en-us/requests/new. But there is an existing thread on this problem (or something similar), and the users there might be interested in your information:

20 hours ago, Alxa said:

The app regularly hangs on camera capturing on my Samsung devices as well. It is a bug they introduced with 10.46 I think. Hope the new devs will bring more quality to the Android app.

Clearly a number of people are having this problem, but it's not universal. Evernote 10.46 on my Samsung S22 takes pictures to add as attachments without problems. Because the problem is not universal (I do not know whether it is very widespread), Evernote will have a harder time fixing it. It would be best for everyone who experiences it to report it directly to Evernote support, so they can get an idea what's going on: https://help.evernote.com/hc/en-us/requests/new.

Or you could use something other than Ctrl+Q. George Bernard Shaw said, "The reasonable man adapts himself to the world. The unreasonable man seeks to adapt the world to himself. Therefore all progress depends on the unreasonable man." This is probably true. However, it is also true of all resistance to progress (or at least to change). 

On 2/23/2023 at 11:38 AM, AngryEvernotePremiumUser said:

I just tested it again, shortcuts are entirely hidden when I access a notebook further down the list, I must first scroll the left pane up to make it visible again. That way the shortcuts are pretty much useless for me...

I have 278 notebooks btw

Please look carefully at my suggestion: I'm not talking about scrolling the list of notebooks in the left panel, but about ...

On 2/22/2023 at 5:15 PM, Dave-in-Decatur said:

... if I click on Notebooks in the left panel to open the Notebooks list, it remains collapsed in the left panel itself, where I can click on the arrow by Shortcuts to open up that list in the panel, thus gaining access to both lists at once. Not as elegant as the shortcuts at the top, perhaps, but then only a limited number of shortcuts could appear in that space anyway, unless they had very short names.

I'm talking about opening out the separate Notebooks list panel, which leaves the left panel, including the Shortcuts list, visible as is. I can scroll to the bottom of my notebooks and still see my shortcuts.

On 2/17/2023 at 4:23 PM, Dave-in-Decatur said:

There is at least one other thread on this going on. I note that your link is of the form https://www.evernote.com/l/.... The "l" suggests that it was created in the legacy (v. 6.25) program, which seems to be where the problem is. Take a look at this thread:

See especially this comment in the thread:

 

And take a look at the thread I linked to.

23 hours ago, NITIN SHAH said:

Dear Sir

As you must surely know by now, there is no Evernote "Sir" here that you can address, only other users. To make a suggestion for features, you can go to one of the feedback and request forums: https://discussion.evernote.com/forums/forum/449-product-feedbackfeature-requests/.

On 2/23/2023 at 5:44 AM, aletheamartinez said:

Hello everyone!

I've been using Evernote for 5 years now, but I can never seem to figure out how to change the default image that shows beside each notebook. I tried searching for the answer. Would anyone know how to do this? 

Hello and welcome to the forums. Are you talking about the thumbnail image that appears in some note list views if a note has an attachment? This question has been asked many times, and unfortunately with no success--it seems to be random and uncontrollable by users. Search the forums for "thumbnail" and you'll find some other threads.

22 hours ago, AngryEvernotePremiumUser said:

I'm talking about a rare, yet for some power users very essential feature now missing in Evernote v10

23 hours ago, AngryEvernotePremiumUser said:

I just want to remind Evernote that their main source of income are subscription plans paid for by power users like me, redesigning the product so that it better fits the average Joe writing his shipping list with a free plan isn't a sustainable strategy (and there are already better apps for this)

With as much respect as I can muster, which is it: Do you represent an edge case, or Evernote's main source of income? Or is their main source of income the few users who need to do this rare thing? It really can't be both. I pay for a Professional subscription to Evernote, so I contribute to their income too. I do not use if for shopping lists but for research and for shaping and crafting ideas (and some personal purposes as well). I consider myself a power user within the mainstream of Evernote's purposes. Yet I have no need to have two accounts, let alone have two accounts open at the same time. If Evernote decided to pivot and throw all its resources into making edge-case users happy, I would  find that very annoying.

11 hours ago, jorang said:

When v10 appeared I tried it for some days - found it hopeless and switched back to legacy (v6.xx).

Now I'm seriously wondering what to do.

What to do: try v. 10 again and see if it's still exactly the same as it was when it first appeared.

4 hours ago, dr krishna ck said:

I have paid the amount of Rs 2499 on 11.01.2023 through credit card. But my account has NOT been yet updated as per subscription. Instead, it has been updated to FREE version. Kindly do the needful.

Hello, and welcome to the forums. These are basically user-to-user; Evernote staff are not here on a regular enough basis to assist with this. You can go to https://help.evernote.com/hc/en-us/requests/new and (since Evernote thinks you are on a free account) select "Continue as guest." There you can select Billing and Payments and continue on till you get the topic "Subscription is not updating." That should allow you to send in a support ticket.

Back to the point of the thread ... I'm inclined to agree. It's hard to imagine what is going on in the merger of two such different companies with different product lines. I have not kept detailed track of the layoffs, but letting go of experienced engineers who hold a lot of the common knowledge of goals and processes would not seem like a good idea to me. If that's what happened; I don't know. Letting go of marketers is rough on them, but less potentially damaging to the product. Actually, the difference in the two companies' previous product lines is encouraging to me: it means that Bending Spoons didn't acquire Evernote just in order to shut down a competitor, as has happened so many times. If Google or Microsoft had bought Evernote, that would have been the end. Not a death spiral but a death trapdoor. As it is, I assume that BeSp wants Evernote to succeed and improve, otherwise they've spent large $$ for nothing.

16 hours ago, KbsMehmet said:

no stick notes for windows evernote window is shrinking to a certain size I need widgets urgently soon,

This part I think I understand: you want to have individual notes open in windows that are very small, like sticky notes or widgets, so you can quickly access them but they don't take up a lot of room on the screen until you need them. Correct? Actually, I'd love that too. I find that the smallest size I can shrink a window to is about 11.5 cm x 9 cm; that's on a laptop monitor; I don't know what it would look like on a full-size screen.

18 hours ago, AngryEvernotePremiumUser said:

Yes I have, I can add a second account just fine but once I switch I cannot see the notes of the other account anymore, e.g. I cannot see the notes of both accounts at the same time (which was possible with Evernote v6)

I have no experience with this, but what happens if you open some notes from one account in separate windows and then switch to the other account? Do the windows from the first account close?

19 hours ago, AngryEvernotePremiumUser said:

For example there is no more permanent favorites bar at the top anymore, instead its now part of the notebook list in the left pane. I've a lot of notebooks, so everytime I wanna access my favorites I am supposed to scroll the left pane up till the favorites show or what were they thinking? This gotta be a bad joke of some sorts!

I don't have a very large number of either notes or shortcuts/favorites, but I find that if I click on Notebooks in the left panel to open the Notebooks list, it remains collapsed in the left panel itself, where I can click on the arrow by Shortcuts to open up that list in the panel, thus gaining access to both lists at once. Not as elegant as the shortcuts at the top, perhaps, but then only a limited number of shortcuts could appear in that space anyway, unless they had very short names.

4 hours ago, Frédéric Sagaer said:

I don't get your point... As a 12 years Evernote fan, I confirm that Evernote is only missing 4 main features to remain on the top of it's category :

(1) Toggle lists
(2) Formulas in tables
(3) "/" commands (or menus)
(4) Easyer back links

1. Would be handy
2. Don't need it
3. Don't need (or want) it
4. A couple of months ago there were no backlinks; now that they're here maybe they'll get better; but they seem pretty easy already

IOW, what seem like main features to one person may seem unnecessary side-tracks to another. IMHO--which (IMHO) ought to be prefixed to every statement about what Evernote "needs" to do to get it right.

Not knowing how many people use Evernote for notes long enough to need a TOC, it's hard to know how high a priority it should be for development. Evernote, to me, seems basically to be a note-taking service that allows attachments. It isn't designed for long-form, or even medium-form, writing, and longer notes often develop problems. It isn't designed to be an enhanced cloud storage service either, IMHO, though lots of people use it for that. (In another forum I just saw a couple of posts decrying the limit of 200 MB per note.) Lengthy notes are pushing the limits of Evernote's designed purpose, again IMHO, and hence the apparently successful strategy that the OP of this thread developed for creating a TOC note for multiple topic-specific notes, which is how EN is designed to operate. I do have some longish notes, and I expect that sooner or later it will be advantageous to break them up. Just my perspective.

Just FYI, there are existing threads on this issue in the Windows desktop app forum, such as this one:

It might be more helpful to post all this detail there, since the issues may have different causes there than in the Web client (which is this forum).

8 hours ago, Harry Slaughter said:

This is the moment many of us have been dreading, the eventual death of v6 and the indifference from Evernote for their long term users who want to see v10 bring back many of the features from v6 that were removed.

In my understanding, v. 6 hasn't died, it just doesn't produce usable shareable links. There's always the Web version if such links are needed.

Have you taken a look at v. 10 recently? I held out for over a year, but important features I needed did get added back in, and I upgraded and haven't looked back. As for the interface, well, that's a matter of opinion and preference. I happen to like the new one better.

5 hours ago, lost_gweedo said:

It seems to me there's a couple of ways of looking at this situation.  

1. BS buys another company (EN) and goes through consolidation efforts as advised by a 3rd party with experience in the process.  Advice from 3rd party (or BS management, or whomever) is may not take into account the user/customer base being so invested in the EN product.  It is our second brain, after all, and it's worrisome for those of us who have so much time and info organized in their product.  Users will be OK after a period of time as things shake out.

2. EN is in the early stages of a death spiral (OK, maybe overly dramatic).

Either way, only time will tell.  Our guesses are simply guesses.  I plan to stick with it, but I've switched to a monthly payment plan until more is known. 🤷‍♂️

10 minutes ago, Paul A. said:

There's also all kinds of other communications which in the grand scheme of things don't tell us much, but which would make nervous users feel better, and ultimately I think that's what some of us need, some soothing of anxieties.

I'm in this general camp. I can't imagine why they'd communicate with customers about layoffs. But I do think that, bearing in mind that lack of information produces more anxiety than almost any actual information, it would be helpful to say something. Sometimes I think companies get lost in crunching numbers and lose track of the human psychology of their customers.

As for the poor Evernote marketers, though ... do a quick search on these forums for how people feel about Evernote's marketing, specifically in the form of the constant upsell for more expensive subscriptions that some people see. Also for "death spiral," a block we have run around many times before, lots of spiral but no actual death.

5 hours ago, Phil2656 said:

Thank you Pink but everytime I turn off my Chromebox, Evernote is asking for the 2FA, even if I check ¨remember for 30 days

everytime.

Just WRT this sub-issue, I don't use 2FA with Evernote (yet), but in my experience "remember me for 30 days" in the login process means "for 30 days, or until I restart the device." A new start might be a different user, I suppose.

21 hours ago, brentdar said:

Just that I can highlight text (like those annoying links) and when I move to a new location like in a browser it is 50/50 whether anything will actually be on the clipboard and transfer to the new location.

I shouldn't have to do anything extra when working with URLs and IP addresses, they should just be entered by default as plain text with no link. I document a lot of stuff that we don't want links ... we just want to document the FQDN or IP of something.

 

All I can say is that I'm not experiencing the problem with copying and pasting that you describe, particularly not when pasting a URL into a browser (if that's what you mean). So, agree that no one should have to do unnecessary extras; disagree that any one use case can define what is an "extra" for everyone. As I said, in v. 10 when I paste a URL and follow it immediately with punctuation--or at least with a period--I get no link. I have to type a space to get the link to appear, then cursor left and delete the space, then put in the period. (If I just backspace to delete the space, the link goes away too--might that be helpful for you?) So that's kind of a lot of extras to get a URL to turn into a link, as it should. IMHO, of course.