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Penultimate 4 is here. (for iPad)

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#1 gbarry

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Posted 31 January 2013 - 04:39 PM

Spreading the blog love today on our two big announcements, one of which is a new version of Penultimate. Since Penultimate joined Evernote way back when (ok, so not that long ago) Ben and the team have been hard at work on creating a new version that more fully integrates Evernote with the Penultimate experience. Penultimate 4 is the product of their hard work, a version that remains true to the original ethos and style of Penultimate while more fully dipping into the strengths of Evernote. Current users of Penultimate should find most, if not all of the functionality they've come to know and love in the original app.

My two cents about why the deeper integration means serious business: handwriting search--every scribble, every handwritten note you take will be OCR'd and you'll be able to hunt them down easily, assuming they're relatively legible and not prescription scribbles from your doctor. From the post:

One of Evernote’s magic features is its ability to make handwriting searchable. We’ve applied this to Penultimate to help you find the notes you’re looking for. Just tap on the new magnifying glass icon in the top right corner of your screen to begin searching your notes. Search results fly in with either a yellow rectangle around the identified words or yellow highlighting in the note title.


One note for users on IOS5--the current version in the app store only works on IOS6. This is a problem for iPad 1 users especially, and we are working on getting Penultimate 4 working for IOS5--that will be available in a future update.

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#2 Bardolobo

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Posted 31 January 2013 - 06:30 PM

One note for users on IOS5--the current version in the app store only works on IOS6. This is a problem for iPad 1 users especially, and we are working on getting Penultimate 4 working for IOS5--that will be available in a future update.


Thank you, thank you, thank you!!!!

As soon as I get a notification about an update for Penultimate, I went crazy. Then I discovered my iPad 1 was out of this update, and I felt as Vader, anger growing inside :P and entered here to open a new thread to ask WHY...and then I read your post, and this quoted sentence, and peace conquered me XD

Penultimate is one of my greatest and most used apps, and reading everything this new version gets and not being able to use it is shocking...I hope the update for all of us, iPad 1 users, come as soon as possible :D

#3 bodsworthnj

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Posted 31 January 2013 - 07:02 PM

Please fix Penultimate.. Updated today and it keeps crashing before loading my notebooks.
I'm on iOS 6.0.1 on an iPad2

#4 NightStalker

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Posted 31 January 2013 - 11:11 PM

See my separate post - just look for the AARRRGGHHHHH!

This is unusable - it tries to sync EVERYTHING all the time. It is so slow I can't use it.

There seems to be nowhere I can turn off the infernal syncing which I do NOT want - I don't want every scribble synced - I want to be able to select a page, a note, or a notebook, and sync it deliberately, once.

But I also can't find any Preference settings anywhere - am I going blind? I've even looked in the main Settings app - nope, not there either. I can't find Preferences on the Home page or on the minimal toolbar on any page. Where is it? How can I turn off the syncing? Or better still - how can I make the syncing optional and selective as mentioned above?

Not everyone is on the internet the whole time - especially on an iPad. We're not all in the USA with super-duper high-speed always-on all-you-can-eat internet with massive data allowances.

And I can't downgrade - I've looked in the Trash on the Macbook for the old .ipa file - but it isn't there! Where did it go? Penultimate upgraded at the same sync as the iOS upgrade to v6.1 - would that have somehow stopped the old .ipa file going to the Trash? How can I go back to the previous version? Or better yet - how quickly can the problems with the new version be solved?

EDIT: OK - I found the preferences, cunningly hidden under the Account icon (why the heck is it there?). But there is STILL no way I can turn off the syncing of everything. I just deleted a Penultimate notebook in Evernote as I did NOT want it in there - and it has been deleted from Penultimate...! Helpppppp

#5 rbianchi

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Posted 01 February 2013 - 12:55 AM

Problems with the new version...
I have iPad 2 with iOS 6.1, and just install the new Penultimate 4.
If I add some draws to my notes in Penultimate and sync, the modified pages of the notebook disappear from Evernote on iPad, BUT not on EN Desktop!

Step to reproduce the bug (it is very simple):
1) Add some draw in a new page or existing one in a Penultimate notebook
2) Sync Penultimate (with EN)
3) Open EN desktop and sync. The modified page (or new page) is there.
4) Open EN on iPad and voila! the modified page disappear, (or the new page don't exist)

someone else with the same problem?

#6 cynwren

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Posted 01 February 2013 - 05:21 AM

I love this update! I have an iPad 3 and an iPad mini, and there was no way to share a Penultimate notebook on those two devices. I could pass copies back and forth thru Dropbox but it was a pain and made me reluctant to use PU. Seemed like the note I was looking for was always on the other device. Now everything syncs beautifully! I've added, moved and deleted pages, renamed notebooks, and edited content, and the updates appear flawlessly in EN and PU on both devices. It's much more useful to me now.

I haven't looked at the Penultimate notes on my desktop so I don't know if I have the issue rbianchi noted, and I can see why the syncing would be a royal pain with a slow connection. A manual sync option or ability to designate which notebooks sync would be good to have for those occasions. I often have scribbled notes I don't really want to keep but since deleting them in PU means they're gone from EN too, that's not a big deal. But then again, my notebooks are syncing pretty quickly.

#7 OwenKelly

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Posted 01 February 2013 - 12:14 PM

Ah, I only just noticed this thread. I posted a final post in the beta threads ealier so I will report the main items here so they are public.

I think it is a great improvement over version 3. I have had no crashing issues on my iPad 2 running iOS 6.1, although I can see others have.

I think that the Pen dialog box should stay open so that I can change the ink color and pen width in one go. Whenever I am doing something that requires me to switch back and forth between two different pens the current system is a complete pain.

I also think that there needs to be an ability to make a notebook local or synced, just as there is in Evernote, for exactly the reasons that NightStalker and GrumpMonkey have said. Syncing does indeed work well now. The problem might be that it works TOO well. I tried moving a notebook in EN desktop to uncouple it from the syncing but Penultimate still found it, so I apparently can't even stop an old notebook from syncing by moving it to a NoSync folder, which would at least be a workaround.

Having said all that I regard this version as a huge step in the right direction and I am ready to see where it goes next!

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#8 gbarry

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Posted 01 February 2013 - 06:14 PM

If you have run into crashes and are a legacy user, we are looking for logs. Append them here or submit a support ticket to us with it, and we are tracking down every single one.

Rbianchi--can you submit a support ticket so we can take a specific look at that bug?

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#9 NightStalker

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Posted 01 February 2013 - 09:43 PM

We REALLY, DESPERATELY need the ability to turn sync OFF as soon as possible, pretty please. The fact that syncing is two-way makes it even worse, and more dangerous. As I posted elsewhere, I deleted one of my Penultimate notebooks from desktop Evernote, as I didn't want it in there - and it vanished from Penultimate. It had some notes in it that I wanted to keep, but NOT ones that I wanted in Evernote. Now they're gone!

Syncing HAS to be an option - not compulsory and automatic. Syncing should be in the Share list, along with email etc. Then we can sync a note, a page, a notebook, etc Or not. See my other posts in the "ARRRGGGHHHH" thread, if you haven't already.

Thanks for reading this thread, and hopefully for a very rapid update to make syncing an option.

#10 rbianchi

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Posted 01 February 2013 - 11:00 PM

gbarry, I just send the ticket with the sync log of Evernote for iPad.

EDIT: The Ticket number is #16051-230942

#11 Moose

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Posted 03 February 2013 - 03:19 AM

I've just updated to Penultimate 4 and now it crashes every time I open it. I have an iPad 2 with iOS 6.0.1.

This is a MAJOR problem. I have ALL my work notes on Penultimate and now cannot access any of them.

How do I roll back to the previous version?

#12 GrumpyMonkey

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Posted 03 February 2013 - 03:25 AM

I've just updated to Penultimate 4 and now it crashes every time I open it. I have an iPad 2 with iOS 6.0.1.

This is a MAJOR problem. I have ALL my work notes on Penultimate and now cannot access any of them.

How do I roll back to the previous version?


Hi. Welcome to the forums. Sorry to hear about your problem. Please consider starting a support ticket (see my signature below). Hopefully, they can keep you from losing data. If you want to roll back on iOS it is the same as you would do with any app (put "rollback" into the forum search or Google for iPad app rollback if you want detailed instructions).

#13 Moose

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Posted 03 February 2013 - 03:29 AM

Thanks.

I have put in a ticket - lets see how good they are at sorting this mess out....

#14 Mike Wood

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Posted 03 February 2013 - 06:58 AM

@Moose have you tried opening the app with wifi etc off. As I understand this my be a sync issue.

#15 Moose

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Posted 03 February 2013 - 02:13 PM

Hi mike

Turning sync of makes no difference. It crashes in exactly the same way (less than 2 secs)

#16 nos

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Posted 03 February 2013 - 04:58 PM

I really like the update!

A few feature requests.

1. I need to be able to delete a notebook in penultimate but still keep it in evernote, currently if I delete a notebook in penultimate it also deletes it in evernote. With the new update is was recommended that one should use a different notebook for each note, so I am making a lot of notebooks for the different topics, meetings, projects I am working on, but when I am done with that project I don't want to have 100s of notebooks in pentultiate, but I do want them save in evernote.

2. Highlighter markers in penultimate. I used bamboo paper and loved the highlighter markers to highlight my notes.

3. Different notebook cover colors and options. This will make it faster for me to find the notebook I want

4. Add tags in penultimate. I couldn't figure out how to do this from the penultimate app, but it would save a step and time rather than having to add the tag on my computer.

#17 Mike Wood

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Posted 03 February 2013 - 05:02 PM

@Moose have you been syncing to Dropbox with the old version of penultimate?

#18 rbianchi

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Posted 03 February 2013 - 07:47 PM

gbarry,
With respect to problem related to my Ticket number #16051-230942, I realize that the problem is with notebooks created with the old version of Penultimate, whose modified notes are not displayed correctly in Evernote for iPad.
If I create a new notebooks with the version 4 of Penultimate, then they are showed correctly in EN for iPad.
So the solution for me was create new notebooks with Penultimate 4, and move old notes from old notebooks to the new notebooks.
However, I think that this is a bug of the new version of Penultimate, that not convert correctly the old notebooks.

#19 ginello

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Posted 03 February 2013 - 10:22 PM

Big PROBLEM!! I am experiencing the same crashing issue as others, as I try to start up. I have many folders containing all my business notes from the past year. This is a really big deal for me, and need to have this resolved. Please take this bug seriously and get it fixed ASAP. I have the iPad 2 with iOS 6.1

#20 Mike Wood

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Posted 03 February 2013 - 10:32 PM

@Moose I have had a quick look at the Penultimate data folder structure within an iTunes iPad backup and it's quite complex and in no way similar to the backup files you get if you sync to Dropbox etc.

I'm sorry, but for users who haven't synced to Dropbox, It looks to me that the only way this is going to be resolved is by the EN/penultimate development team; possibly using a data recover utility working on the folders within an iPad backup...





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