GrumpyMonkey

Hi. Thanks for posting your opinion. I agree that a visible sync button allowing us to force a sync would be welcome, and for many of us it is something we use on a daily basis. Evernote claims the sync is “automatic” now (it was before, as well), and so it has been removed with (apparently) no plans to add it at a later date. “Where did the sync button go? Evernote has a completely new sync architecture and now syncs automatically across all of your devices.” Hopefully, they will reconsider their position on this (they have tried this before with the same reasoning), especially after they hear from users about what is / is not important to us. I like some of the things they are doing (I’ve commented elsewhere on this), but the removal of important features in the name of “streamlining” is unwelcome and undermines all of the hard work they have done. Too bad

That’s helpful. Thanks! I will probably be able to get by with the app, but I’d trade any of the nice improvements that make them “excited” for the stuff that got lost in the “streamlining.” I guess I’m not as enthusiastic than they are about it, because (like many users) I’ve been enjoying the app for years. If I wanted a new “experience” I would have used a different app. A “better” experience wouldn’t involve giving up things that worked really well for me, or things I need to get stuff done. No local notebooks may be a deal breaker. There was a complaint about that back in the day from one of the previous ceo’s, as I recall, so local notebooks have probably been a headache for a while on the development side. But, there is a reason people use them, and failing to address that need isn’t a solution, in my opinion. Hence, the encrypted notebook request. No sync button is pretty irritating. Evernote has always designed their apps as if sync “just works,” but in the real world, it doesn’t work like that with any app by any company. Even Dropbox, which is basically all about sync, has issues. There are work arounds to figure it out, like checking the app on another device, but why get rid of it? We’ve been over this ground again, and again, and again. Presentation mode has been on its way out for a while. Irritating, but OK. Context was pretty cool, but there seems to have been a lack of enthusiasm for a while, and they were peeling off partners (Nikkei, for example), so this is no surprise. I liked it, but it wasn’t a critical feature for me. I don’t see fonts on that list. I think these are a critical feature for me, so without those, I’ll have trouble continuing with the app. I assume the ability to select 50+ notes will come back. Without that, I can’t see a way forward. I’m sure there are more good and bad things I’ll encounter as we go along. I suppose this sounds like an ultimatum, but from my perspective, I can’t really imagine even getting started with an app in this category (productivity, notes, personal information manager), much less paying for one, that doesn’t have font control or the ability to select content. This seems rather basic for 2020.

I see. Thanks for clearing up my confusion about the links. Hopefully, they will add in the feature soon. Of course, agreeing to disagree is probably where we will end up, but I think one difference with this release is that we can easily go back to the legacy version. I am using both right now, and for my workflow, a lot of stuff can still be done with the new version, so I am OK most of the time. And, if I need a particular feature, it is technically still available. However, if features remain missing, at some point the legacy app will presumably lose support, and then I will be done with it. Hopefully, while we have the legacy app, the developers will work the missing features back into the app. One cautionary tale, though, would be the web version, which was rolled out in a similar fashion (legacy and new version), took ages to progress, and even now still doesn't have critical functionality such as the ability to use it on mobile (last I checked). As a result, I think I might use it once or twice a year. Let's hope Evernote doesn't repeat that process here. I wonder if they think of the new web version as a model or a mistake.

Hi. The internal note links (creation and use) work fine for me. I am on Mac, though. Is this a problem you are seeing in Windows? As for the loss of features, I'm not terribly pleased about it either, but if we hold Evernote to that standard (paying us / reducing costs for every feature they remove), we'll probably want to call Apple and inquire about those phone chargers (they won't bundle them with the phones for "amazing reasons," because it was the "right thing to do"--it also enabled them to fit more phones on the pallets and save a huge amount of money). As a paying customer, I don't need rebates or reduced fees. I'd just like to see them get to work restoring the missing features. I'm using the old and new version of the app (on Mac). I don't think I've got any major complaints about the user interface (besides the missing stuff). They both have their pros and cons, but overall they get the job done well (for me).

I think the design team for the Mac has made a beautiful app with some interesting features that I am seeing for the first time. For example, there is a new feature link in the sidebar (sorry, working with Japanese version, so not sure what the precise English wording is) that brings up helpful mini videos showing how things work. I imagine this will be helpful in the days to come. The feedback button at the bottom is also convenient, though... if Evernote was listening to the feedback (at least, my feedback), they wouldn't have gone in this direction, or made a public release of a half-baked app. PROBLEMS I say half-baked because, as of this moment, I cannot view my notes at all (must be some indexing going on in the background--I have several thousand and lots of gigabytes). Literally. It is basically a blank screen where my notes should be. For a brief time, while I could view the content of just one note and see a list of the others in the middle pane, the shortcuts were empty, and I could only select fifty notes at time. Given these limitations, even if I could see my notes, I guess it wouldn't do me much good. I think it is fair to say without exaggeration that I went from 100% to 0% productivity after installing the app. I doubt this is the experience they wanted me to have. My guess is that they had in mind someone with fewer notes, less data, and no need to select more than a handful of notes at a time (to create note links, export, etc.). And, it is slow (at least, at the moment). It may be a wonderful experience for these users. FEEDBACK The thing is, for at least a decade now, I've been asking Evernote (especially with major releases) to be very careful about suddenly (without notice) removing features, and to release something with as few bugs as possible. It seems obvious, but I think it bears repeating. Again, we seem to be circling back to the philosophy of throwing something out there and working on it as we go along. That doesn't fit my productivity model. I suppose it is a useful way to generate and test new features (something I have also said is not high on my list of priorities). What is the team planning to leave abandoned? What is the team planning to add back into the app? It'd be nice to know. In my opinion, if we are talking about existing features, it seems fair to expect a roadmap for them to be implemented, or some warning that they are now obsolete. FEEDBACK vs FUTURE DIRECTION It's the app we have, though, not necessarily the app we want. I'm a premium user, and despite the bugs (for example, a long-standing iOS problem losing focus on the last note opened if you navigate by note links somewhere and then close the app), and the lack of interest in the improvements I've suggested (for example, encrypted notebooks), I've been satisfied. I'll probably just re-install the legacy version for a while. I am afraid that if this is the shape of things to come, though, it is difficult to see a way forward with my workflow. I need to be able to select more than 50 notes. That's really a deal-breaker, I'm afraid. Surely, that has occurred to the designers, so it'd be nice to know if / when this is going to be possible to use again. I don't remember anyone complaining about wanting to be able to select fewer notes, have fewer (no?) options in the toolbar, etc., so I don't know why time was spent removing features. I do hope that the design team's priorities will shift from the new features (that new link I mentioned, for example) to the "old" stuff that I actually need to get stuff done. Rather than tell me how those fancy new features are supposed to work, I'd prefer to have an app that actually does work. RECOMMENDATION Thanks to the other users on the list, I was well aware of the potential problems, I made extra backups, and I have another computer on hand. I'm OK. But, I think the fact that I had to be prepared this way says a lot about the state of what has been released as a "public" version, and I went through this experience in order to see what we are in for this year. Again, I commend the design team on creating something really nice looking, but I strongly recommend they consider productivity, especially for "power" and paying "premium" users. If this was an app I barely used or cared about, it might not matter, but I thought the point of this app was to make it part of my workflow. I know you are all certainly busy, but I suggest thinking about this "return to productivity" in terms of hours or days rather than weeks or months. * Why this thread? Well, it's from 2018, and it reflects the positivity that some users feel, the frustration that others feel, and the general trend by long-time users to avoid the problems in Evernote's releases. Unfortunately, Evernote has not fixed their problem with half-baked releases (there have been interface overhauls, code overhauls, etc. before as well). It is worth noting (or even "Evernoting") that many other apps, including some of their competitors, do not roll out releases like this, especially with major feature deprecations, omissions, or major bugs. In other words, releases don't have to be done this way, and releasing things half-baked undermines the hard work and innovation designers are trying to put into the app. *UDATE - Well, the good news is that I can see my notes now. That certainly helps productivity. Apparently, the app needed to be closed and opened again. I'll stick with it if / until I run into something insurmountable. For the moment, though, I can enjoy this experience again. There are some things to like in here (now that I can see my notes). The layout of the style options is fine, though there must be a way to change the font somewhere, right? Or, am I restricted to a single font--it's unclear if this is a feature (nothing), a missing feature (to be added later), or just my failure to locate something obvious. The Mac shortcut doesn't work either. On the plus side, pasting in an internal note link and then writing something on the next line does not carry over the green color (a bug in the previous version), so this is a welcome improvement. A new bug (surely not a feature) is that scrolling quickly blanks out the list of notes. That's not helpful. Anyhow, the app works for me now. That's a start. @other users: be ready for some teething issues such as the ones I experienced above, but the new app is definitely worth a try. @ developers: keep up the good work, but please be more careful with (overly) sensitive folks like myself when rolling it out, and please take a look at the comments below. - Things I'd like to see changed/added/returned: (1) more sort options for the list in the middle pane--are we going to lose all of them and be restricted to a paltry three? I can display the size of notes, but cannot sort them ascending or descending according to size; (2) the ability to resize the panes better, because when the window is smaller, I can apparently not increase the size of the middle pane beyond a certain point; (3) encrypted notebooks (I had to ask); (4) local notebooks (is this coming back or are we abandoning any attempt at all to make this workplace / sensitive information friendly?); (5) the nagging--I keep getting a popup of new features again, and again, and again; (6) default notebooks for note creation--is that not a thing we can do anymore?; (7) the ability to force a sync--this is really irritating not knowing if stuff is synced or not (many releases of new versions require us to request that this be added in, so can you please just leave it there, because it is needed); (8) the ability to select all notes; (9) the ability to export all notes; (10) a way to clear the searches (one app in ios just puts this as a "clear all history" option in the settings--you may not need it, but I do, because I need to display my screen to others). - Things I'd like to see you keep: (1) the ability to resize the window to any size--finally, I can make it smaller than the old minimums (a quarter or so of my macbook's screen); (2) The ability to shrink that left sidebar--looking good

Hi. A minor correction, depending on what one thinks of such things, but Evernote stores our synced data on “Google’s” servers, where it rents space. If you’ve synced, the data can be viewed on just about everything by using an app (Mac, Windows, iOS, Android) or with a browser (Mac, Windows). It’s pretty convenient and probably best understood by fiddling around with it for a few minutes. You can give it a try yourself for free

Not much to add except a suggestion to be cautious about jumping from one app to another, reading too much into the news or numbers of forum posts, and playing the waiting game. In particular, though, a comment on the waiting game: if the app isn't worth it for you now (I have my own frustrations with bugs and limitations, some of them mentioned in this thread already), and the good doesn't balance out the bad, I'd recommend leaving. Make do with what we have and don't give too much thought about what could be--there's a lot of could-have-beens and should-have-beens, but there's stuff to get done right now :)

Evernote's limitations, especially when it comes to handling sensitive / confidential information, have forced me to come up with lots of irritating workarounds. I generally have DEVONthink (Mac only) for sensitive / confidential items and Evernote for everything else. I do my best with what we have and try not to think too much about what it could be. It's worked for me, more or less, for over a decade now. On paper, if I were mapping out my workflows, there are all kinds of other options that seem appealing. But, for one reason or another, I end up (as mentioned above) "mainly" using Evernote. Bugs in other apps, slow syncing, lost data, incompatibilities, poor search options, lack of portability (proprietary formats that lock you in or, even worse, mangle your content), and conventional folder/file hierarchies are some of the main culprits. I've also tried to simplify, and cut costs. I've made some headway. I am now down to just a handful of subscription services (Evernote is one of them) that make it possible for me to do a lot more work at a much higher level in a lot less time. I could work without them, but I wouldn't want to. I certainly wouldn't have time to post on this forum if I didn't use these services! OneNote is a very, very poor fit for my workflow. I tried it when it first saw the light of day, I've tried it again and again over the years, but there is always something (usually a combination of many somethings) that make it a miserable experience for me. I'm sure it is wonderful for other workflows and better minds than mine.

Hi. If I understand your problem correctly, the two-device limit and your employer's restrictions are making it difficult to use Evernote, and you don't see a need for it. Indeed, if you are unwilling or unable to pay for the premium service, and your employer is preventing you from making full use of it anyhow, then you can either: (1) use Evernote on your computer with work-related documents in an offline Evernote notebook or (2) pay for Evernote and just keep your work-related documents on your computer at work It may be that you don't need Evernote. Personally, I find it to be a useful app. I particularly enjoy the ease of input, editing, and file organization (I do very little organizing, because the combination of robust search options, tags, and handwriting recognition make it possible to get by with very little organization). I don't mind paying for an app I use every day. Your mileage may vary. In fact, after COVID-19, I've found myself relying even more heavily on Evernote. I have to go into my workplace to work (I am in a region with minimal restrictions), I have to do work at home (we had more serious restrictions up until a few days ago), and I need to do child care while somehow doing work. Work has seeped into everything--it was always a problem, I guess, but now it seems inseparable from everything else. I enjoy my work, but... yeah, I am kind of looking forward to at least making an attempt at separating my private and personal life. I think we are all being asked to wear multiple hats at the same time these days, and Evernote makes it easy for me to go from device to device working on projects in tiny chunks appropriate to the limited time I have to focus on projects. Even if I am suddenly interrupted and have to rush off to do this or that, my work is right there in my pocket ready to be resumed when I have a moment. In other words, it seems to me that Evernote is uniquely well-suited to our new post-pandemic lifestyle, assuming you are willing / able to pay for it, and you can work around the limitations (my list of Evernote's shortcomings in the context of my work flow has been posted repeatedly here over the last decade, so I won't belabor those points).

From 2008 to 2017 Evernote ran its own servers, but in 2017 it moved all of the data onto Google’s server. There was some doom and gloom talk back then, and crossed fingers, but here we are three years later with a situation that almost certainly makes it possible for Evernote to deal more effectively with the demands imposed by a pandemic. In 2010, for example, bad hardware(?) caused some data loss—no worries about having to fiddle with the hardware anymore. I don’t remember my comments from the time, but I was likely against the move from a security and independence perspective. If they hadn’t made the move, we’d be in a bind now, so it’s a good thing they didn’t listen to me. I guess, much like the 2017 move, things go on in the background with little obvious impact on us, but the service seems on a firmer footing nowadays.

I can't speak for anyone else's experiences, but in my experience the search works fine. In fact, I hope that it brings in new users who might be unwilling or uninterested in learning the advanced search grammar. Good idea. But, I'd like to be able to turn it off. I think I mentioned my own pet peeves about predictive searches about a decade ago (!?), when the predictive searches began. They slow things down AND they display a bunch of detailed information about me and my account that I might not want to show to a class of 100 students when I am giving a lecture using Evernote. For anyone who gives presentations, this predictive feature can become quite a headache. As usual, I am happy to have this and other features as the standard default. But, I want to be able to turn things off. As for crossing my fingers, I've been doing that for about 12 years now, because I love the app, but don't always love the things that happen to it or the company. From my perspective, though, slowly rolling out changes is far better than the old style of an update a day (slightly exaggerated), often with insufficient testing or warning (especially about missing or de-stabilized features). In a way, the lack of updates is reassuring. In fact, I hadn't noticed any "lack." The behind the scenes videos have disappeared. True. But, the world is in the midst of a horrific and perhaps world altering pandemic. So, I don't have any particular expectations for a return to normal. I'd prefer a return to a new normal, with plenty of social distancing and care taken of its employees. If they have to slow stuff down a bit to transition to a telework-style environment, no problem. In fact, one thing I am now happy about is the movement of the servers out of their location. If they had to take care of those and deal with the pandemic, I'm sure they'd be having a really tough time. By not having to worry about that, perhaps they have ended up with a more flexible and safer work environment. A win-win for everyone.

I don’t have any interest in going back, because I’ve had an endless string of irritating minor bugs + occasional big ones. I can’t actually remember a time when everything just worked. To be fair, Apple comes along every year or so and breaks stuff with new ios versions, and forces everyone to runa around like chickens with their heads cut off to build, revise, or aabandon apps in time for it. I’d just settle for an app that works. I also take a serious look at the Surface every time it gets updated. No time to actually pull the trigger this year. I’m already too busy. And, that is what makes any bug that much more frustrating. I’ve got stuff to do.

The two most troublesome issues on the iPad app for me are the notes that fail to render despite being downloaded for offline and being (usually) unable to search notes offline. Both problems defeat the purpose of having offline notes in the first place, so I hope this is solved soon.

Fair enough. I don't want to use multiple services either. In my case, it's a hassle, but it is possible to separate sensitive data (particularly data about others that I have an obligation to protect) from regular data that is also private, but can be put onto a third-party server ("the cloud") without encryption. I live with it. And, I use Keynote, PowerPoint, Word, etc. Lots of apps. I think that's where we are right now with things. Or, at least, that's where I am. At any rate, I rarely "leave" or "migrate" out of things. I tend to let my usage taper off, let my subscription lapse, or just forget to install the app when I upgrade. In general, I've found working in multiple apps saves me from some of the most irritating aspects of the bug-ridden apps we have to work with in so many cases. If an app becomes abandonware or something happens with an update that makes it unusable, I just shift gears.

Devonthink is amazing for OSX / iOS, and it has been for years now — there are hiccups, as you would expect with any software, but rarely any really itritating bugs. The team there consistently puts out stable, excellent updates to a solid product. I think you’ll enjoy it. That said, it’s a lot different than Evernote, and I think there’s space put there for both of them. I like that Evernote, for example, handles syncing really well — often nearly instantaneous. I also love the handwriting recognition, excellent search for Asian languages, and ability to quickly add content. I use them both No need to migrate anywhere...

If Evernote disappeared in the next few minutes, it would have no impact on my data, and I think that is probably true for most users. It's all stored locally (in our computers, and for some of us, on our mobile devices). Getting the data out of Evernote only takes a few minutes, and migrating to another app has always been possible, though naturally there are hiccups along the way, because no service is exactly like another one. Your mileage may vary. It seems to me that most apps have pretty much fallen in line with this kind of thinking by making things portable (relatively easy to add or remove from a service). For those of you worried about Evernote's imminent demise (according to some reporting), I'd recommend you don't worry about it (for the reasons just mentioned). For those of you migrating out, I wish you all the best in your new home. Backups are protection against data corruption. This could be from user error, a problem on Evernote's end, or even some kind of malicious attack. Stuff happens. Backups are easy to make these days (Time Machine on Mac does it all automatically in the background) and they're worth doing for peace of mind. I'd recommend it for any app, so even if you are migrating out, don't forget about backups! Encryption in Evernote does require you to jump through hoops, and that is why I don't bother, but I also have data that cannot be stored unencrypted on the cloud... So, that's where other applications come into play. I haven't migrated out of Evernote, but I've got to use other apps, because Evernote has always been a poor fit for my needs (in this regard). Over a decade now with the app and I don't expect that to change anytime soon. Fortunately, other apps have seamless encryption (no hoops at all) -- it's all encrypted all the time.

Evernote doesn't do enough of what I want it to do, but does too much of what I don't

I don't feel shackled, because data is easy to get out, especially if the destination app has a solid migration tool. Even if it doesn't, .html is pretty convenient. There are plenty of irritating bugs and points of friction in the apps (Mac and iOS), but after 10 years of using it, I'd say it's been a good experience overall. In short, neither trapped nor especially bothered by the problems -- I can generally work around any issues that crop up. That said, Evernote is only one part of my note-taking, for the simple reason that it lacks sufficient protection for confidential / sensitive data, which is a lot of what I work with, so it just doesn't have a robust enough feature set for my needs. That's OK. It is what it is. But, one of the reasons why most hiccups fail to cause me too much grief is that I'm already working with other things on a daily basis, so I simply shift a bit over into those and I barely skip a beat. Maybe the lesson to take from this (at least, the one I've learned for my use case) is that it's a good idea to have all my data encrypted all the time, and to have multiple avenues for accessing / working with the data (in my case on the Mac, all of the Evernote stuff is accessible through Finder, I've got local backups, and I'm using software that can import things as needed in just a few minutes). If I were only working with Evernote (as I suppose many folks are), I'd want to at least have local backups, and I'd probably be exporting all of my stuff as .html every few weeks (or before/after any major changes to my note content) just in case -- it's easier to sift through .html stuff stored in Dropbox or some other location, especially if you happen to be on mobile devices when things go bad.

Thanks so much for reaching out to me. I appreciate it. For anyone interested in this issue, I've found the beta doesn't delete blank lines right in front of my eyes anymore, so that's a huge improvement, but I think the notes are still rendering a little differently. At any rate, it solved (more or less) that problem.

I agree that the burden for sorting through bugs should not be on the users. Minor bugs are a fact of life with the release of any software, but I am afraid Evernote has a long tradition of making some radical decisions, or introducing debilitating bugs in hastily released versions. Not every time, of course, but enough to make many of the veterans wary. See, for example, the apology from the former CEO over a debacle that affected an influential tech blogger. Perhaps the rebranding will also include a commitment to fixing the major bugs and making sure that no release goes out the door again "broken" (unusable in some way due to data loss and so forth). As for migrating away, it's really easy, and there are lots of options out there. Nothing is exactly like Evernote, of course, but you'll figure something out. Before saying goodbye, though, Id recommend taking a few hours to step back and get perspective. Not because it's "bad" to leave. It's just a chore to get up and running in a new app, and I've never found anything perfect, so you are also going to be in for more headaches. The question is whether those headaches are worse than these. After 10 years, I guess none of Evernote's headaches have been that bad. Yet!

A swan song thread sounds good to me. “Let us sing; let us raise the cries; let us beat our breasts; lament with me!”

Agreed. But, I suspect some of the folks in this thread (judging by the title) aren't in the mood to go through bug reporting ritual in the hopes that the developers on high will hear their pleas of suffering and intervene to save them this time -- they appear to be going it on their own

Yeah. I'm not sure why Evernote is making such a fuss about not doing encryption. It's a no-brainer. Unless, of course, Evernote wants to go through our notes, gather the data somewhere else, and use it to "surface" stuff for us (nothing sinister here, except that I'd trade the AI for security any day). Speaking of that surfacing stuff, did we lose related notes? I've got nothing coming up at the bottom of my notes anymore. Anyhow, other folks have got the encryption thing down, searches work fine (in some cases, far superior), and they have the artificial intelligence stuff. Heck, not only that, they don't corrupt the data in my notes (the new Mac app has decided to delete line breaks for me so that I can "focus" better without all those pesky white spaces). *sigh* Full encryption (or even just a notebook) should have been a standard feature after 2013. Too bad they didn't go down that road. *Edit: Now I've got contextual / related note stuff there. I don't know why it's gone one day and here the next. I had nothing for the last 12 hours. Weird. But, the least of my concerns, I guess.

I agree that all of the apps look good (I liked the old ones as well). I like the new logo (I liked the old one as well). I am not sure yet if I like the new catchphrase (the last one I liked was the original one from 2008). Overall, good job for the design team! But... I'm not a huge fan of trumpeting (yep, that's a sweet pun) their re-branding. A lot of us could have told you that this would fall on deaf ears (continuing the aural theme here) or irritated users -- Dave's initial post in this thread was pretty kindly written. Personally, I was just going to hold my tongue, but when I saw my notes had been ruined with the update (see below), I thought I'd weigh in here. A blog post from Evernote would have been more than sufficient, and I certainly didn't need to have my focus taken away from my work to learn that the Evernote logo now has a softened eye and a spirally trunk that is somehow connected with progress. Don't get me wrong, it's interesting, but it doesn't need to be pushed out to everyone as a big thing. Unless it had come with some really amazing changes under the hood. But, it didn't, did it? It came with more bugs. Really, really bad ones as well. Windows and Mac?! How do you manage to ruin both platforms at once? I am not exaggerating when I say that I cannot use the new app on my Mac. It deletes line breaks. Why? I don't know. My notes are now a big clump of text. Where do you think my focus is now? It's on working with other apps at the moment. I'm not kidding. I'm a premium member with only a dozen notes in the app today, because I can't use it. All the branding in the world isn't going to help get my time back. From my perspective, this is data corruption or lost data, one of the most serious bugs out there, but when I come to the forums, I see we have a new logo. A lot of people have different bugs, friction points, and requests they'd like to see, so they're probably reacting in a similar manner. This was a mistake--another unforced error (this "focus" thing has been keyword in blog posts for a year or more, so I'm not sure what the big change actually is, or why it had to be done this month, but I guess I have to wait and see how that pans out going forward). So far, I'd say the branding isn't going so well. It's a shame, really, because the designers did a good job. * Edit: For frustrated users, it appears to be (surprise, surprise) a list problem, and since I have a bunch of lists, I am seeing it a lot. Meh. It's just one more bug to deal with, and if not for the branding hoopla, I probably wouldn't have even bothered reporting it.

Hi. Competitors already provide (and have provided for several years) full database encryption without putting in any effort at all (you don't even know it's there). Nowadays, you also get password / fingerprint authentication to open apps and even syncing directly from device to device without involving the cloud at all (for the security sensitive among us). There's some amazing stuff out there. But, Evernote's user base continues to grow, rather than flee. That's a good thing (because I like Evernote). I'd prefer that they implement better security features as a core commitment to user security / confidentiality (yes, we are all aware of the "three laws," but in practice, here we are with tiny, independent developers offering far superior security, so there seems to be a gap here between word and deed, or a difference of opinion about how to interpret those laws). But, they haven't so far. Unfortunately, DT is correct. If this level of security is a requirement, then Evernote is probably not for you. As a longtime user (here since the launch), I can say that this is a longstanding request that Evernote is quite aware of, but (judging by their actions) isn't interested in pursuing. That is, of course, their right. It is Evernote's app, after all, and there is no law saying they have to do everything users ask of them (thank goodness). Still, even after a decade, I continue to hope they'll change their minds. I'm not into clicking on buttons to vote for things, though. I'd prefer they seriously consider the request based on its merits rather than quantifying our voices.