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Following on from Grumpy's comments - we're good with workaround suggestions here.. coming from a Wiki background I'm also a fan of collapsing paragraphs, and my alternative here has been inter-note links. Not as elegant as having the information available on the page, but it's pretty easy to highlight a paragraph, copy it to another note, and replace the original content with a link to that note. The drawback (apart from the mechanics) being that your links can either be local - which basically works on one computer only, or URL based, which means you've shared that note publicly.

Maybe if you became premium and helped fund the R&D we'd get something quicker?

If I had a penny for each time "it shouldn't be difficult to implement..." comes up in suggestions, I'd have........ a lot of pennies. If the changes were easy to introduce for 50M+ users across 15 or so clients + variations I'd guess they would be here already. Meantime, we have the workarounds... but as something of a wiki afficianado myself, yes it would be good to see [wiki names], transclusion, category handling and a few other features implemented in Evernoteland..

Sounds like something from a veterinary manual..

Hi - you're familiar with the whole tags vs folders thing that's documented in detail in the forums?

I do agree the editor needs a serious upgrade. Roll on v6.0!

Hmmn - I guess they'll be introducing the email, word processing and page-layout photo editing tools pretty soon then.

Don't think Evernote ever suggested it could act as a communications hub - and, as I may have mentioned once or twice, it's always possible to format a document rather nicely in PDF, DOC or DOCX and embed that in a note. Word files can be saved as templates, which are loaded without changing the saved document to allow further individual changes to be made and a new file saved. If I were setting up a similar system I'd have unchanging stuff like price lists as PDF or DOC and templates for anything that staff needed to personalise to a customer. They could then save the changed file back to a note as a record.

There is no other way.

Well, tags aren't always necessary - search by customer and sort by created date to get a list of all actions on all projects; search by customer and project reference / sort by created date to see actions on that project. I don't use tags that much - it's easier to rely on smart searching. Plus tags are more efficient and effective - one email covering two projects can be tagged (or searched) to be findable in connection with both. In a folder structure you'd need to remember to copy that email to all affected folders.. Oh - and I think a major redesign of the fundamental structure of 50M+ databases might be a factor too...

The Forums do mild? - you learn something new every day....

Sadly Evernote are impervious to bribery, not to mention ambush, attack, barrage, battery, belligerency, blackmail, condemnation, denunciation, flattery, incursion, invasion, maltreatment, mishandling, mistreatment, molestation, opposition, oppugnation, resistance, or violence. However they do improve things with time, so we can all hope... Besides waiting is much cheaper than any of the alternatives and involves rather less effort.

Zimbra it seems to me is webmail, like Google. The Chrome clipper will move Gmails directly to an Evernote - you might try something similar with your Zimbra page..

If you store a DOC file in Evernote you can get it out again; if you export to PDF or HTML - which are common formats - there are conversion utilities on the web to create DOC files if you need them.

..and a spreadsheet, a music/ video player, a photo library, a backup service...

Try forwarding the emails then rather than sending directly or by CC or BCC. You can probably set up a rule in your mail client or using IFTTT to manage this if you need to..

Hmmn. OK I'll concede - I can't argue JM's technical points, and I do agree that the editor is very overdue for attention. However when stuff doesn't work exactly as I'd like it to, I tend to look for workarounds as with the 'embed a file' suggestion. It hasn't turned my life into a constant trial, and I'm a jobbing writer so I tend to churn the stuff out - as you may have noticed. As to Times New Roman 12 becoming TNR13.5 I'll have to plead (even more) ignorance.

We may have to disagree here - I think Evernote does its job when translating faithfully(ish) from dozens of different display formats to its own note structure, and shouldn't be responsible for translating that format back across the same dozens of different formats into another faithful representation. It's possible to read and translate the code coming in, but you can't provide a catchall output if you don't know what output will be required. There is an obvious exception to the above - if we are talking typed text only, then yes I totally agree Evernote bold 18pt should translate to Word or anything else bold 18pt - but again full word processor suites tend to have a few more bells and whistles than the current editor, so may show the page wider, insert random margins and randomize picture sizes. There's an easy way round this - do your layed-out note in your WP of choice and attach it to the note. Include the content in the note (if it's not searched and indexed by Evernote) so you can find the content. Doesn't seem to me to be the fundamental defect that it's being painted. Do I want better editing? Definitely. Doesn't stop me doing presentation work using Evernote - I just don't do my layouts here.

Hi. User forum here? I think you're addressing the wrong crowd. Also Evernote doesn't say it's a layout / design or anything else tool, and it does show clips accurately. Your problem seems to be when you try to paste into other applications - shouldn't you be complaining to them? I agree it could be better, but you really know not of what you speak when you glibly imagine that there are "substantial technical challenges" - in some cases it just ain't possible. And "If this happened I'd upgrade to Premium? Really?"

Hi - many people would be complaining if the line wasn't turned into a link, so I think you may find there's no easy way to avoid that. Is there a major reason why you couldn't just leave it as is? You could try pasting into Notepad or another text-only editor and from there into Evernote.. come to that you could paste directly into Notepad and attach that file to Evernote. Don't think there's a way to disable formatting though...

We talking Windows or Mac here?

Hi. The Notebook you're calling Family is actually a stack not a notebook so you won't have a share option for that. The "subnotebooks" are Notebooks so can be shared. You could share all the notebooks to all the family, or combine the notebooks into one (tag the notes with the name of the family member) and share that. Business has the same options.

It's not random unless you take two photos of exactly the same size - if you crop one even slightly, you should be able to force Evernote to choose your preferred picture.

It's not a problem, it's was/ is a user suggestion that Evernote have not yet found the time (or the inclination) to implement. Since it's their ball, they get to choose the rules. Meantime sharing works for notebooks and notes, but stacks - no.