gazumped

Hi.  Evernote is a database dressed up with some nice frills,  and its open API would allow MindMap software to save its nodes into the database and retrieve them for display;  but you'd still have to use that third party software to view the map.  If Evernote were to consider expanding their features to include a display of all notes in a MM layout (like MohioMap but 'proper' MindMapping),  they'd have to add a number of additional fields to the database to hold relationship information,  and build a whole new graphic display process to identify the notes and stitch them together in the proper layout,  plus allowing users to 'edit' those fields by moving nodes around in the graphics UI.

There is one contender so far - ConceptDraw*,  who partner with Evernote.

In my day job I teach a number of things,  including Evernote and Mind Mapping (Tools of choice:  Evernote - obviously,  and MindJet* or Freeplane).  Given the trouble I have getting the concepts across,  and explaining how to do that,  I suspect the only market for Evernote's MM display feature would be the people who already use Evernote and MM at a pretty advanced level. 

So far there's about ten of us (AFAIK ) so I don't see the Evernote version happening overly soon,  unless they can persuade a MM software provider to partner with them and both companies pick up new customers through the collaboration.

I use Evernote by pasting the note links into my maps,  and by pasting a JPG of the map into a note.  There's no other current options that I'm aware of.

Previous discussions on this include: 

https://discussion.evernote.com/topic/25608-request-mind-mapping/

https://discussion.evernote.com/topic/53060-mind-map-software-any-that-integrate-save-to-that-you-know-of/

https://discussion.evernote.com/topic/75790-use-mind-map-to-link-to-notes/

ConceptDraw and MindJet are subscription products.

Looks good.  When you've worked the bugs out,  I look forward to an Android / Web alternative... 

7 hours ago, dflamholc said:

I think this is the correct thread for this discussion

Over on the linked post I said -

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I'd strongly recommend that anyone who's suffering from duplicate notes in the 'new' Evernote web

1. Clicks the counter above,  and
2. reports the issue by choosing "report a bug..." in the first dropdown after logging in here > https://www.evernote.com/SupportLogin.action

 

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Evernote don't know if a problem is becoming urgent unless they get some convincing statistics

.. and clicks or bug reports is what they'll be looking for.

Obviously everyone is free to post anything you want (within the forum guidelines) anywhere at all - but it does make sense to keep it all in one place so arguments don't get diluted.

Hi.  Please see the continuation of this discussion here https://discussion.evernote.com/topic/94451-duplicate-notes/ and click the counter at the top of that page if you're suffering from this issue.

Sorry if it comes across as negative,  but I tend to believe I'm being realistic - if Evernote don't provide audio features,  then it's pointless repeatedly asking them to change.  If they accept the need,  and even if it is a priority,  it will be months or years before any new features are released.  Better for the individual user to find an alternative that is at least acceptable if not especially convenient. 

There are many other sound recording applications for both desktops and mobiles that will work independently of being on or offline,  and it's possible to connect a mobile to a desktop via cable to transfer files if necessary.  All audio apps should be able to save to MP3 files,  which can be attached to a note to be played by different software -including standard audio players- wherever the file is opened.

I'd suspect having Evernote provide all this is a convenience or an irrelevance for most users,  so I don't see any changes being made soon - although no-one outside the company knows Evernote's plans,  so it could be released in the next update.

Meantime if something is really essential to you and workarounds aren't acceptable,  then yes of course you should use any other software that will give you the features you need.  I use a dozen or more specialised apps during the day for images / email / audio etc.  I don't especially want Evernote to get more top heavy with menus and options,  and I'm happy for them to stay separate. 

Good luck with your search.  If you do want to apply a little pressure to Evernote,  and test the appeal of your idea,  try creating a topic in one of the feedback forums where up voting exists.

Windows   https://discussion.evernote.com/forum/224-windows-desktop-product-feedback/

Mac   https://discussion.evernote.com/forum/218-mac-product-feedback/

If the mobile apps do record in the quality that you need,  wouldn't it be fairly easy to record your notes using a mobile and sync the note through to your desktop for editing/ further use?  I'd imagine more bells and whistles for recording is one Evernote's radar,  but there are lots of other competing priorities...

Hi.  Web clippers on different devices and in different operating systems aren't (yet) consistent with all features.  That may be coming,  but meantime all you can do is clip what you can and re-clip the same page later if and when possible.

Hi.  Evernote don't share development plans,  so the answer to your question is moot.  You can already save searches,  favorites and link between notes,  so what exactly are you looking for?  The ability to search Evernote from a saved link?

20 minutes ago, Boots said:

I'm no expert, just a user of Evernote & Saferoom

...but I think (and I'm just a user too...) you're -almost- right.  Evernote will hold an unencrypted version of your note in 'Note History' but if you move your note between notebooks,  I beleieve the history is deleted;  so if you have a notebook for Unencrypted notes,  process them there,  and move to another notebook for storage,  you'll 'lose' the history version and the only online copy will be the encrypted one.

35 minutes ago, KV3333333 said:

Linking Saferoom to my Evernote accounts prompts Evernote to tell me that Saferoom wants access to be able to retrieve (any and all of) my notes. How is granting this full access compatible with the advertised "zero knowledge"?

Thank you!

If Saferoom (the app,  not the company) doesn't have access to your notes it can't access them to encrypt them or save them in encrypted form afterward. The permission doesn't mean that anyone can view your notes,  just that the app needs the access to work at all.

Hi.  As you've found,  it's not currently possible to share saved searches.  However if your notes won't be changed after you do a search,  you could share a Table of Contents note created from the search results.  Your share-ee will be able to use the listed links to go directly to the notes as necessary.  Alternatively you could just save the search text as you quoted it above,  and get your share-ee to copy and paste that into the search box...

As my previous post  your spell check is more likely to be down to the browser than to Evernote.  Check your browser options - or do a web search for "how do I turn my IE / Chrome / Firefox / Opera spell check off?"  (Use your appropriate browser type,  obviously...)

Any supporters for the idea,  please check out the counter at the top of the page - the more hits it gets,  the more seriously Evernote will take the requests.

There's something called the Safe Harbor agreement under which personal data can be exported from the UK to the US - there was some excitement recently when it was challenged and (in theory) no US company could take personal data outside the UK.  Facebook,  Google and quite a few other companies were 'concerned',  and did talk about the possibilities and implications of server farms in different countries.

No surprise however,  the agreement was re-approved last year,  and is back in place.  (That's why I mentioned 'very precise exceptions'.)  I assume,  but don't know,  that Evernote meets the requirements of the agreement.  If someone complained to our data protection authority - called the Information Commissioner these days - the IC would investigate an alleged infraction and take any necessary action. 

I don't know what resources Evernote has in the UK,  but I'd bet they're as international as any big IT company.

The UK has some serious data protection regulations which prevent any 'personal data' being stored electronically without suitable and sensible safeguards, and most specifically objects to data being moved outside the UK - with some very precise exceptions.  What you do with your own data though,  is (AFAIK) up to you. 

'Vanilla' Evernote wouldn't be suitable for any institution or charity to record such data about individuals,  although it's perfectly acceptable to use the app for products,  technical information and the like.  Personal data could be encrypted with Saferoom or something similar  (get professional advice before you design your complete system around encryption!) but that then makes it unsearchable which is kind've the point of getting your customer base into a searchable context like this one.  Better to use Evernote as an information distribution center on any relevant topics,  but keep your CRM running on your own local system.

The point here being that 'local' regulations around the world are more important to users than any general business or IT principles related to security.  There's a whole industry out there of catastrophe insurers who'll insure the business you against losses from hacking or data loss,  but things start to get really expensive if you annoy the data protection authorities - I don't think you can insure against their monetary penalties,  and that ain't all they can do to you if you get it really wrong...

However Evernote is never the bad guy in the UK - if I keep things in my database that get me in trouble,  that's my lookout!

Like I said before - it's always possible to 'add' something to a business card note by creating a new note and merging the two together (IME with Windows/ Android). 

The information won't be laid out as nicely or consistently as before,  but it's still all there.  You'd have to do some experimentation because I don't know for what combinations of Evernote for Scannable / Mobile / Desktop and the various OS's that would be true or workable,  but there would be work-arounds. 

Us Androids are still waiting for Scannable at all (hint) so there's still development going on,  and I'm sure the Devs will take this on board as a feature request.  Meantime there's only whatever work-arounds you can find.

If a consistent and stylish layout is required,  you could try inserting scanned card data manually into tables,  or using Templates such as those from Transpose

EDIT: (Later thought)  You should get the option to save the scanned details to your Contacts,  and of course there you can add whatever additional information you wish...

Hi.  I can understand your frustration,  but due respect - once it starts to be annoying,  just stop banging your head!  Quite a few of us (I think) use Workflowy for outlines and lists because it does that really well,  is available from any browser and can be copied and pasted into Evernote if/ when required.  Evernote is improving its editor software,  but it still has a ways to go to get something that will work in any support OS on every supported device.  I'm grateful for the stuff it does well - for everything else there's workarounds...

9 hours ago, csbc said:

Thanks both. I think it is a bit unfair to blame iOS rather then Evernote! Gazumped, are you saying you can edit encrypted text in the iOS version? If so any suggestions as to why I can't, or what I might be doing wrong?

FWIIW I sometimes also have difficulty making an insertion point in normal Evernote text in iOS.

Cheers, Colin 

Sorry - imprecise answer;  I was speaking for the Windows/ Android faction,  not iOS.

If you're encrypting text with the standard Evernote feature,  I've had no trouble editing content when the text is visible.

I found an 'autocue' app for my Android - something that would scroll variable size text at variable speeds up the screen.  It doesn't interface with Evernote,  but it would be pretty easy to copy/ paste content from a note into the app to 'play' any text I wanted.  (It's also good for video recording when you have to say something complicated,  while looking at the camera/ screen.)  I'd imagine there's more out there for other OS's...

If you're running a version of Ubuntu,  Fedora  or Linux you might be interested in these links on Evernote clones

http://sourceforge.net/projects/nevernote/files/NixNote2%20-%20Beta%202/

http://www.quora.com/Is-there-a-software-that-allow-me-to-use-Evernote-on-Linux

http://www.makeuseof.com/tag/5-interesting-third-party-evernote-clients-linux-mac/

Hi.  That's not a task Evernote would be good for at present.  It's not good at number-and-letter hierarchies,  just bullets and numbers - and it's only just getting better at them. 

There are lots of good outliner packages out there,  and if you create your outline in one of them and save the output file,  you could attach it to an Evernote note so it can be opened everywhere you have the software to do so.  This seems like a 'nice to have' but I'd rather Evernote expanded existing features and fixed all known bugs before adding more complexity to the package.

@DTLow - It appears I may have been mistaken back then.  Still not exactly sure how this works,  but apparently notes have a UID which the 'new' note links interpret as a web address if you don't have a local database handy,  or a link to the actual note,  if you do - and that database happens to be the account to which the note belongs,  or you have permission to view/ edit it. Basically it shouldn't matter which version of the link you get - but it must matter which app you're initiating it from,  because Evernote apps can open the correct version of the linked note,  whereas other apps tend to go for either the web address every time,  or the local file.  I agree it would be much easier if 'copy note link' gave you a sub-choice of a link to a local database or one to the web.  Seems to be the usual thing of EN trying to be 'smart' and save you a keypress - and generating reams of confused explanations like this one...  

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I agree.  I have regular meetings at various intervals,  and annual events like insurance renewals and birthdays,  all of which live in a third-party app at present,  because Evernote doesn't believe they exist.  Click the vote button above if you agree!