tired... 677 Posted July 16 Author Share Posted July 16 In my case the changed line space, or more precisely change from "changing a line" to "paragraph change", had a very negative impact on my workflow. I copy a lot of text from app to app - often as unformatted text - so it does matter if there is or isn't an empty line between paragraphs. Also all simple lists are now much longer, with unnecessary extra space between. And then there is the question of missing communication, or maybe even misinformation? Bendings Spoons respects its customers so little that they don't even care to tell what the situation is. Are they going to fix it (as promised three months ago) or not? 2 2 Link to comment
bkauflin 20 Posted July 16 Share Posted July 16 8 hours ago, PinkElephant said: That's IMHO an unbalanced comment. As you should know, any "appearance" issue follows a statistical distribution. There is no common ground, when you move it to the middle, people from both edges of the distribution curve will show discontent. Move it to either end, you may soothe those on that end, but get more critics from the other. This is not a voting thread, so we have no poll. From watching at the thread and the opinions, most (I mean the vast majority) of users didn't probably even notice. Of those who do notice, only a part doesn't like it. Hardly anything to take action. Coding options into everything would create one of these text editing monsters (MS Word, you hear me ... ?) that simply don't make sense for a notes app. Watching at the competition, this seems to be rather common ground - there are plenty that even refrain from a classical editor, going down the markdown road. If somebody can't stand it, look for another app that fulfills your formatting needs, than asking for a bloat of the existing one. This is my personal opinion: Just keeps things as they are. Remark: I don't understand the change they made a few months ago. It was not necessary and just sparked one of these discussions that don't add value to the use of EN. Just wanted to respond to a few things here. I tread lightly, as I'm a Level1 EN user. I rarely participate in this forum because EN serves the purpose for which I use it. Regardless of the bells and whistles Evernote adds, it keeps doing what I want it to do, i.e., provide a place for me to take notes that are accessible on my iPad, phone, and computer; enables quick webpage downloads for later reading or just for saving; organize my thoughts through the use of easily manageable TAGS; keep vital information in an easy to access place, etc. But when EN changed the leading within a paragraph and between paragraphs, it changed the way I type and read my notes. It's an ongoing distraction. To say that most "users didn't probably even notice" begs some questions. Did they not notice or not bother to say something? Do they use it often enough for it to bother them? Are they suspicious that EN would respond to their requests? I don't know if we can answer those questions decisively. Any leader or company seeking to serve its clientele believes that you don't need a massive number of people complaining in order to make changes. You want to serve as many as you can. In this instance, a change was made that seems to have gotten the attention of more than a few users. Seems the right question would be, "Can we serve these people and remain true to our goals to continue improving the app?" I think the answer is yes. When you say, "look for another app that fulfills your formatting needs, than asking for a bloat of the existing one" it seems you're presenting an unrealistic choice and an overstated effect. First, the unrealistic choice. I have 11k notes in EN, which isn't a lot compared to some users. But an ample amount. Transferring what I have in EN to another app would be extremely cumbersome and time consuming. And as far as I know another app wouldn't contain all the features I like with EN. Second, the overstated effect. I don't write code. I'm a musician. But I don't think asking for a toggle for leading choices is "bloating" the app. We're not asking for Microsoft Word here. We're just asking that we have the option to see line spacing the way it's been for years. I have no doubt that you have reasons for advising EN to leave things as they are. But if they had done that in the first place, we wouldn't even be having this conversation! 6 3 Link to comment
Kallagh 15 Posted July 29 Share Posted July 29 Another update to remind us that Evernote continues to disregard this fundamental flaw. 2 Link to comment
kperer 9 Posted July 29 Share Posted July 29 I've only watched Federico's video on the latest update once, but he leads with a discussion on notes and formatting and I believe he pretty much discounts our concern. I'm I wrong? Please tell me he hasn't discounted our discontent on Evernote's formatting on notes. 1 Link to comment
bkauflin 20 Posted July 29 Share Posted July 29 2 minutes ago, kperer said: I've only watched Federico's video on the latest update once, but he leads with a discussion on notes and formatting and I believe he pretty much discounts our concern. I'm I wrong? Please tell me he hasn't discounted our discontent on Evernote's formatting on notes. Can you provide a link to that video? Link to comment
kperer 9 Posted July 29 Share Posted July 29 There was a notification and this update from Federico 👋 when I updated Evernote on my desktop. I would like to reiterate that the line spacing is a real problem. I'd like the option to revert to previous line spacing. I'll try to look forward and not focus on the fact that all my notes have been reformatted. I'm lucky because I've always taken screenshots of my work and nothing is lost. 2 Link to comment
Level 5* s2sailor 2,475 Posted July 29 Level 5* Share Posted July 29 I don't know what drove the change and don't deny that some are affected by this and view it as a flaw, but as a counterpoint, there are others that don't see this as an issue at all. Personally, I didn't notice the change until it was pointed out in the forum and after comparing the difference, this one is a shoulder shrug for me. I'm not saying that I'm right and you are wrong. I prefer denser data personally, but I am seeing this UI change in many apps and am grudgingly accepting it. I guess if this was truly a show stopper for me, I would see if there was something out there that better matched my needs. 1 Link to comment
bkauflin 20 Posted July 29 Share Posted July 29 5 hours ago, kperer said: Hmm. “We adjusted the line spacing…and the response has been amazing.” Well, I guess they didn’t hear back from everyone. 1 Link to comment
Kallagh 15 Posted July 29 Share Posted July 29 31 minutes ago, bkauflin said: Hmm. “We adjusted the line spacing…and the response has been amazing.” Well, I guess they didn’t hear back from everyone. Would someone please provide a link to the thread where the line spacing is being praised I'm having trouble finding it... Link to comment
Tony Waisanen 2 Posted July 29 Share Posted July 29 If by "amazing", they mean that users were outraged and demanded an immediate resolution, then, yes, the response was that. It certainly was NOT agreement or acceptance. 2 Link to comment
Level 5* s2sailor 2,475 Posted July 29 Level 5* Share Posted July 29 1 hour ago, Kallagh said: Would someone please provide a link to the thread where the line spacing is being praised I'm having trouble finding it... Since they don’t seem to have a presence here, they likely collected input elsewhere. Link to comment
Level 5 PinkElephant 8,888 Posted July 29 Level 5 Share Posted July 29 There was a GUI specific query to collect feedback: https://waz9zvkd1f2.typeform.com/newuifeedback It seems to be still active, so nobody on this thread should miss the chance … 6 1 Link to comment
bkauflin 20 Posted July 30 Share Posted July 30 12 hours ago, PinkElephant said: There was a GUI specific query to collect feedback: https://waz9zvkd1f2.typeform.com/newuifeedback It seems to be still active, so nobody on this thread should miss the chance … Thanks so much for sharing this! 1 Link to comment
bkauflin 20 Posted July 30 Share Posted July 30 13 hours ago, Kallagh said: Would someone please provide a link to the thread where the line spacing is being praised I'm having trouble finding it... There's no link that I'm aware of, just a comment in this video. 1 Link to comment
Dynastar8 11 Posted August 9 Share Posted August 9 Definitely frustrated this isn’t fixed yet. I actually believed they would fix it in “two weeks”….. 5 Link to comment
fycqrqdapzqdbbrtle 1 Posted August 12 Share Posted August 12 Very long-time Evernote user here. I'm following this thread for quite some time, and I'm also eagerly awaiting to have this fixed. I'm not against improvements or new features - I find it a good thing that Evernote is ramping up to stay ahead of the competition, but this line spacing issue is simply just too annoying. Hope that the Evernote team keeps up their promise to have it finally fixed shortly, and hope that this will help to bump up the priority of this issue as it's taking way too long now. 1 Link to comment
Akos_M 57 Posted August 15 Share Posted August 15 On 4/22/2024 at 8:22 PM, Federico Simionato said: We're fixing this soon. Likely in a week or two. Any day year now... 4 Link to comment
Noted1 2 Posted September 5 Share Posted September 5 I'm experiencing frustration with this experience on Mac. 1 Link to comment
dantek 37 Posted September 9 Share Posted September 9 On 4/22/2024 at 6:22 PM, Federico Simionato said: We're fixing this soon. Likely in a week or two. @Federico Simionato lots of people in here would like an update on this - including me. Confusing the way you've said you're fixing this "soon" - so you've acknowledged a (presumably unintentional) problem and said you're going to fix it - but then nothing for 5 months.. Can you confirm if you are going to fix this or if you've decided to leave it as is? I would personally at the minimum want a setting I can change to put the line spacing back as it was for me as I find the increased line spacing wastes screen space. Thanks! 5 Link to comment
Nesav132 8 Posted September 11 Share Posted September 11 On 4/22/2024 at 11:22 AM, Federico Simionato said: We're fixing this soon. Likely in a week or two. @Federico Simionato Could we get an update on this issue? Lots of people commenting on wanting a fix or an update but we are not getting anything from Evernote on this. As many have said, the extra line spacing is causing a lot of issues whether it be their notes look chaotic, wasted screen space or making it almost impossible to view on a phone. Hoping to hear from you or Evernote soon. 5 Link to comment
Level 5 PinkElephant 8,888 Posted September 11 Level 5 Share Posted September 11 13 minutes ago, Nesav132 said: ... is causing a lot of issues whether it be their notes look chaotic, wasted screen space or making it almost impossible to view on a phone. None of this applies to me - and even if, it is all plain cosmetic. There are serious functional deficiencies that need to be fixed. Not a single dev hours should be wasted on making things neat and tidy, as long as serious business is waiting to get attention. 2 Link to comment
Cristiano478 246 Posted yesterday at 12:42 AM Share Posted yesterday at 12:42 AM Version 10.112.2 New Features: You can now use 'Shift + Enter' to create line breaks without starting a new paragraph, giving you more control over your note's formatting. 1 Link to comment
tired... 677 Posted 17 hours ago Author Share Posted 17 hours ago I saw it in EN Web yesterday, and got the update in EN Windows today. Helpful in some cases, but doesn't solve the fundamental problem. But, I guess this is the only thing we are going to get for now. Apparently there is no intention (and probably never was) to fix this. So sad. Link to comment
bkauflin 20 Posted 17 hours ago Share Posted 17 hours ago 2 minutes ago, tired... said: I saw it in EN Web yesterday, and got the update in EN Windows today. Helpful in some cases, but doesn't solve the fundamental problem. But, I guess this is the only thing we are going to get for now. Apparently there is no intention (and probably never was) to fix this. So sad. I'll take the scraps for now! Link to comment
Alxa 501 Posted 17 hours ago Share Posted 17 hours ago I just checked as well with new update. Indeed it does not solve the main issue. I would have expected it to be the other way round (do a shortcut to add extra spacing). That way we still see the wasted space in every check mark list... and to be honest anywhere else. Who will do CTRL+Enter after every line do get normal spacing as one could expect from a note editor😆 Suggestion: add a spacing option to the editor to choose from - or even simpler remove this extra spacing thing all the way - PLEASE 🙏🏻 1 Link to comment
Level 5 PinkElephant 8,888 Posted 16 hours ago Level 5 Share Posted 16 hours ago You can't use shift-Enter to create a new list item. shift-Enter only produces a CR/LF, not a new paragraph. This means no new list item. Link to comment
tired... 677 Posted 13 hours ago Author Share Posted 13 hours ago Shift+Enter seems not to be working (recognized) on EN Android. It really messes up the note layout 😒 Link to comment
Level 5 PinkElephant 8,888 Posted 12 hours ago Level 5 Share Posted 12 hours ago I doubt this was introduced to mobile. It’s not mentioned in release notes up to 10.112 Link to comment
bkauflin 20 Posted 10 hours ago Share Posted 10 hours ago 1 hour ago, PinkElephant said: I doubt this was introduced to mobile. It’s not mentioned in release notes up to 10.112 Do you happen to know why my Evernote hasn't updated yet? I'm at 10.111.2 and it says there are no updates available. Link to comment
Level 5 PinkElephant 8,888 Posted 10 hours ago Level 5 Share Posted 10 hours ago That’s normal - all rollouts of new releases are staged and will take some days before all users got the update message. This takes away the risk that by sending massive requests to the update server, it gets clogged and updates stalled. You can always download the latest version directly from the website, and simply install it on top of the existing install. From the website it is always the very latest release. 1 Link to comment
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