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1 hour ago, Okonomiyaki said:

I will be trying these apps:

This video is actually pretty outdated (2018!). Just watch the newer videos by the same guy. He recommends different apps for different purposes, but Noteshelf if you want it working together with Evernote. 

23 minutes ago, PinkElephant said:

Personally I prefer GoodNotes 5 out of a personal preference - although it will not sync itself into EN. The notes need to be exported as a pdf. Positive is the search index build by GN5 will export with the pdf - as we all (?) know EN will only OCR handwriting in picture files, not inside of a pdf.

Right. That is why Noteshelf like Penultimate exports the notes as pictures to Evernote. The sync is not just about automatic import, every change in the original note will be automatically synced to the note in Evernote.

2 minutes ago, PinkElephant said:

EN is not build for handwriting.

The internal solution is the Penultimate app (I think iOS only). But it is ages old, only superficially integrated and never got attention.

The much better solution is a modern handwriting notes app.

Noteshelf is the best compromise. This is a modern handwriting notes app, but with the same integration and synching as Penultimate.

On 1/9/2022 at 11:42 AM, Okonomiyaki said:

This is strange. I hand wrote random text to see if Evernote does text recognition and it did. It found words in my handwritten examples without a problem.

As for smoothing, I really dislike my writing to be smoothed. Evernote has two modes, Snap to Shape on and off. On smooths your writing, off doesn't. Personally, I tried with smoothing turned on and I didn't like it. I prefer my writing to remain the same as I wrote it.

I was overall happy with Evernotes capabilities.

So you do use the sketch functionality for handwriting notes? Interesting. I wonder how you deal with these issues:

• Writing longer notes than one screen
  Do you start a new sketch? Do you use the two-finger-zoom gesture for moving the canvas? But if so, how do you get it aligned correctly?
• Saving
  Sketches are not saved until you click on the confirmation button. When you are in a two hour meeting and you do the notes as sketch in Evernote, do you press the confirmation button regularly? Because the chance of losing everything when the screen goes off is very high.
• Default background and pen
  Are you fine with the default background and selected pen? Or do you actually change it again and again for every new note? I use the dark mode and the default is a grey background with tiny white points that are not recognizable.
• Unwanted marks
  Evernote does not support that only the Apple Pencil is recognized for drawing. As a result, every touch with your hand can lead to marks on the note. This does not annoy you?
• No support for double tap on Apple Pencil 2
  One of the great features of Apple Pencil 2 is the possibility to change the mode (e. g. write to delete) via a double tap. Not supported by Evernote.

With the update of today they finally have fixed it!

With the update today (January 5, 2022) they have finally fixed it! It is not in the update description, but it works now as expected. They also made the menu a little bit better optimized for the iPad. And this is actually mentioned in the update description. In fact I think it is the first time the iPad is addressed in an update description since the release of v10. A glimpse of hope that they might know the iPad exists after all.

On 11/12/2021 at 11:50 AM, gewappnet said:

And another update ... and again no fix. Anyone in for a bet that they will never fix it?

And another update ... and again no fix. I am still in for a bet. What about: No more fix this year?

I am no longer an Evernote customer and moved on to Apple Notes, but this one still interests me. Will they ever fix the bug? What a thrilling question ...

2 minutes ago, PinkElephant said:

There is nothing broken with the pages themselves

Well, if I would change them with this workaround, they would/could be broken beyond repair. 

Just now, PinkElephant said:

As I said, if you only need content (sorry, a format for me is not content), use the wand. If you want the site „as clipped“, make a duplicate before simplifying.

So to be able to use my archive of thousands of mails and web sites again I should manually change each and every one of them? This would take me months and in the end all would be marked as changed so the temporal sorting would be messed up forever. Yeah, this sounds like a really great workaround ...

9 minutes ago, PinkElephant said:

Severe: App is unusable, data gets corrupted (internal problems)🤔 Nope

According to the definition it is then severe. The app is unusable for me. I can't read the mails and web sites I had stored in it. As this is the whole point of it, the app is unusable.

If every web site and mail ever stored would look like this (see screenshot above) in the Windows or Mac version, do you think they wouldn't fix it over months?

7 minutes ago, PinkElephant said:

Since it does not cause „real“ trouble, I doubt this is in the top categories of the backlog.

I couldn't disagree more. I think it is a critical bug that should have got the highest possible priority for fixing. For me Evernote is basically an archive of mails and web sites. For many weeks now it has not been really usable for this purpose. In fact I already canceled my paid subscription after more than 10 years(!) because of this bug and what it represents: No interest at all in providing a proper version of Evernote for the iPad. Well, my main computer is an iPad Pro, so I need Evernote working on this device.

And another update ... and again no fix. Anyone in for a bet that they will never fix it? I am pretty sure they consider the iOS version, well, an iOS version and not an iPadOS version. So as long as everything works fine on an iPhone, they will never ever even consider changing or fixing anything. I doubt they even have an iPad to test the app at Evernote.

All web clippings made on the iPad end up in Evernote as very narrow view ports. In the screenshots you see Safari on the iPad with the German version of an Evernote blog posting and the resulting web clip of it in the Evernote app on the same iPad.

30 minutes ago, PinkElephant said:

Why not ?

Seriously, I think it is great that you point out this issue as well now. Using the web version of Evernote on the iPad shows how the home screen should look like.

Great, so now you have the same request that I posted in July, when you answered I should contact feedback about it:

8 minutes ago, PinkElephant said:

Reading your post I assume you never read mine ….

… that they finally enable what iPadOS allows: Split screen, which means as well access to more than one note at a time, …

Yes, but "Split screen" (split view) is not how THIS is called.

3 minutes ago, Boot17 said:

This is just meta, but where are you seeing it called "multi-window"? I thought it was called "Split View" (and PinkElephant has reference that multiple times in addition to "split screen" -- which is the same thing.)

https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT207582

That is why I keep correcting him. Split view is the multitasking ability to open two apps side-by-side. This exists since iOS 9 on the iPad and is supported by Evernote ever since. Multi-window was introduced with iPadOS 13 and is the ability of an app to open multiple windows (instances of itself). These could be hundreds of windows and yes, two of these windows could also be opened in split view. But the point of multi-window is that you could open multiple documents of the same app at the same time - not necessary at the same time on the screen (via split view or slide over). Microsoft Word supports it. Just open a Word file then tap on the Word icon in the tool bar and then on the "+" button. Now you can open another Word file ... and another ... and another. All Word files are opened at the same time and you can easy switch between them via swiping with three fingers. Now imagine this in Evernote: Open multiple notes at the same time! Just a dream, but a sweet one.

2 hours ago, PinkElephant said:

It won’t get compatible with a desktop, as long as Apple does not allow to install MacOS (or a iPad version of it) on an iPad.

Nobody ever said anything about "get compatible with a desktop". What does that even mean?

I understand you are not working for Evernote and are just a user like the rest of us. Why do you keep coming up with excuses for Evernote why they are not making a proper iPad version of the app? What is your motivation?

16 hours ago, PinkElephant said:

Apple refrains from allowing MacOS on an iPad, even if it is an iPad Pro with an M1, the same SOC that fires a MacBook Pro 13“ or a new iMac 24“. The hardware would surely be up to it, but Apple draws a line between a full computer OS and the tablet version.

Now EN needs to make the iPad version compatible to the desktop clients ?

Sorry, I don't understand your logic. What has supporting multi-window (what you call "split screen") and allowing two columns in the Home screen to do with making the iPad version compatible to desktop clients? That doesn't make any sense. 

2 hours ago, Tommytime22 said:

The worst part of the iPad app right now is the implementation of Home. There is no reason that we shouldn’t be able to view multiple columns of widgets on the Home Screen. If they add a proper Home screen and implement keyboard shortcuts, they would fix 90% of why the app feels so bad on iPad… I think having multiple windows open would require the sync engine to move a little faster…would be too easy to cause conflicts. 

It is possible on macOS and Windows, so it should be possible in iPadOS as well. Regarding the Home/Start screen I agree totally. Just look at my screenshots:

Here are two screen shots, both are taken on the same iPad Pro. One is of the start screen in the Evernote app and the other one is of Evernote Web in Safari. As you can see screen of the app looks horrible because it is not possible to have two widgets side-by-side. The web version shows it would work perfectly. Could you please make it happen?

10 minutes ago, PinkElephant said:

The iOS app was never separated in iPhone and iPad versions. Typical iPad features were not supported, like split screen. To tell it was ever better is pure nostalgia.

I gave you a specific example (support for drag&drop was included in Evernote as soon as Apple had introduced it to the iPad), so obviously it is not pure nostalgia. What you call "split screen" is actually multi-window and this was introduced with iPadOS 13, so it is relatively new. Yes, Evernote had not supported it in v9, but at least they built in the real split screen support (running Evernote side-by-side with other apps) when Apple introduced it with iOS 9 (yes, that was so long ago).

On 7/22/2021 at 11:35 PM, PinkElephant said:

For me it still stands what I said above: The largest deficiency of EN on the iPad is that they don’t support 2 sessions side by side.

Well, to name the pink elephant in the room: Evernote just stopped developing a specific version for the iPad with v10 and that is the problem. Bevor v10 they definitely did, e. g. the drag&drop support was pretty good (you could drag all files to the "+" button and that would create a new note with this file as attachment).

13 hours ago, PinkElephant said:

Since I don’t expect any initiative in this direction, I simply use what I feel suits my needs best. Active handwriting notes stay in GN5. Once they are closed, I export them into a pdf (including the search index), and put them into a note.

Just use Noteshelf and you don't have to export anything. It works exactly as Penultimate and syncs every change immediately to Evernote, but is as good as GN5 - or I would say better.

1 hour ago, PinkElephant said:

Apple treats the iPad like a giant iPhone - just need to look at the features both are getting.

Even if this would be true (which it is not), should this be an excuse for Evernote to not do a proper iPadOS version?

Apple has been introducing lots of specific iPad features since iPadOS 13: Support for trackpad/mouse, full keyboard support (shortcuts!), support for handwriting with Pencil on system level, multi-window (opening the same app multiple times), drag&drop in and between apps, advanced file management and many other things. They also brought with iPadOS 14 a new standardized GUI layout for iPad apps to make a better use of the huge screen: Multi-level side columns, toolbars on top of the screen and other recommendations. Evernote does not support ANY of these things!