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  1. 3 minutes ago, Boot17 said:

    This is just meta, but where are you seeing it called "multi-window"? I thought it was called "Split View" (and PinkElephant has reference that multiple times in addition to "split screen" -- which is the same thing.)


    That is why I keep correcting him. Split view is the multitasking ability to open two apps side-by-side. This exists since iOS 9 on the iPad and is supported by Evernote ever since. Multi-window was introduced with iPadOS 13 and is the ability of an app to open multiple windows (instances of itself). These could be hundreds of windows and yes, two of these windows could also be opened in split view. But the point of multi-window is that you could open multiple documents of the same app at the same time - not necessary at the same time on the screen (via split view or slide over). Microsoft Word supports it. Just open a Word file then tap on the Word icon in the tool bar and then on the "+" button. Now you can open another Word file ... and another ... and another. All Word files are opened at the same time and you can easy switch between them via swiping with three fingers. Now imagine this in Evernote: Open multiple notes at the same time! Just a dream, but a sweet one.

  2. 2 hours ago, PinkElephant said:

    It won’t get compatible with a desktop, as long as Apple does not allow to install MacOS (or a iPad version of it) on an iPad.

    Nobody ever said anything about "get compatible with a desktop". What does that even mean?

    I understand you are not working for Evernote and are just a user like the rest of us. Why do you keep coming up with excuses for Evernote why they are not making a proper iPad version of the app? What is your motivation?

  3. 16 hours ago, PinkElephant said:

    Apple refrains from allowing MacOS on an iPad, even if it is an iPad Pro with an M1, the same SOC that fires a MacBook Pro 13“ or a new iMac 24“. The hardware would surely be up to it, but Apple draws a line between a full computer OS and the tablet version.

    Now EN needs to make the iPad version compatible to the desktop clients ?

    Sorry, I don't understand your logic. What has supporting multi-window (what you call "split screen") and allowing two columns in the Home screen to do with making the iPad version compatible to desktop clients? That doesn't make any sense. 

  4. 2 hours ago, Tommytime22 said:

    The worst part of the iPad app right now is the implementation of Home. There is no reason that we shouldn’t be able to view multiple columns of widgets on the Home Screen. If they add a proper Home screen and implement keyboard shortcuts, they would fix 90% of why the app feels so bad on iPad… I think having multiple windows open would require the sync engine to move a little faster…would be too easy to cause conflicts. 

    It is possible on macOS and Windows, so it should be possible in iPadOS as well. Regarding the Home/Start screen I agree totally. Just look at my screenshots:


  5. Here are two screen shots, both are taken on the same iPad Pro. One is of the start screen in the Evernote app and the other one is of Evernote Web in Safari. As you can see screen of the app looks horrible because it is not possible to have two widgets side-by-side. The web version shows it would work perfectly. Could you please make it happen?



  6. 10 minutes ago, PinkElephant said:

    The iOS app was never separated in iPhone and iPad versions. Typical iPad features were not supported, like split screen. To tell it was ever better is pure nostalgia.

    I gave you a specific example (support for drag&drop was included in Evernote as soon as Apple had introduced it to the iPad), so obviously it is not pure nostalgia. What you call "split screen" is actually multi-window and this was introduced with iPadOS 13, so it is relatively new. Yes, Evernote had not supported it in v9, but at least they built in the real split screen support (running Evernote side-by-side with other apps) when Apple introduced it with iOS 9 (yes, that was so long ago).

  7. On 7/22/2021 at 11:35 PM, PinkElephant said:

    For me it still stands what I said above: The largest deficiency of EN on the iPad is that they don’t support 2 sessions side by side.

    Well, to name the pink elephant in the room: Evernote just stopped developing a specific version for the iPad with v10 and that is the problem. Bevor v10 they definitely did, e. g. the drag&drop support was pretty good (you could drag all files to the "+" button and that would create a new note with this file as attachment).

  8. 13 hours ago, PinkElephant said:

    Since I don’t expect any initiative in this direction, I simply use what I feel suits my needs best. Active handwriting notes stay in GN5. Once they are closed, I export them into a pdf (including the search index), and put them into a note.

    Just use Noteshelf and you don't have to export anything. It works exactly as Penultimate and syncs every change immediately to Evernote, but is as good as GN5 - or I would say better.

  9. 1 hour ago, PinkElephant said:

    Apple treats the iPad like a giant iPhone - just need to look at the features both are getting.

    Even if this would be true (which it is not), should this be an excuse for Evernote to not do a proper iPadOS version?

    Apple has been introducing lots of specific iPad features since iPadOS 13Support for trackpad/mouse, full keyboard support (shortcuts!), support for handwriting with Pencil on system level, multi-window (opening the same app multiple times), drag&drop in and between apps, advanced file management and many other things. They also brought with iPadOS 14 a new standardized GUI layout for iPad apps to make a better use of the huge screen: Multi-level side columns, toolbars on top of the screen and other recommendations. Evernote does not support ANY of these things!

  10. On 6/25/2021 at 8:48 AM, PinkElephant said:

    This means if you need good handwriting support (I mean seriously need, not only that „EN must have it all“), get an app that is really focused on this field. I use GoodNotes 5 for that job.

    But then you lose the integration in Evernote and that was the starting point. There is currently only one handwriting notes app for the iPad (besides Penultimate) with full Evernote support/sync: Noteshelf.

    Still, Evernote had re-written Penultimate at one point in time, so there should not be that much legacy code left from the early days. And the current drawing functionality in the Evernote app is so extremely bad that just putting Penultimate as it is in it would be a huge improvement. Replacing the specific support of the Jot Script pen with a support for the Apple Pencil should not be rocket science. But the main problem is that Evernote seems to be not interested in putting any effort in functionalities for the iPad at all. The iPadOS version is treated like the iOS version and therefore as mobile version. And of course mobile versions don't have 13" displays, trackpads, keyboards or Pencils for that matter.

  11. On 7/3/2021 at 11:24 PM, PinkElephant said:

    The adaptation of the mobile app to the iPad is pretty good, talking about the GUI.

    I disagree. The screen of an iPad Pro 12.9" is like a MacBook Pro 13". There is absolutely no reason at all to not display the exact same layout. Why are there only two columns shown on the huge screen of the iPad Pro? Ironically the web version used in Safari on the iPad displays what the app should look like. And take the Start screen: Why on earth are there no widgets available side-by-side? The stretched quick note widget in landscape on a 12.9" screen just looks absurd.

    Don't forget that the old iPad version of Evernote (pre v10) had supported drag&drop. No more. And I doubt we will ever see things like multi-window (open more than one note!), real Pencil support and full support of the trackpad and keyboard. Yes, iPadOS is rooted in iOS. But that is no excuse to handle the iPad like a big iPhone - or like mobile apps at all (the iPad Pro with Magic Keyboard is my desktop computer). Evernote could have built-in iPad support in their "mobile framework" if they want to.

  12. And don't forget the general layout and usage of the screen space! The iPad Pro is 12.9", a MacBook Pro 13". Why is the layout different? Why don't you show three columns like on the Mac (and the web version!)?

    In general it seems there is not an iPadOS version of Evernote, just an iOS version that runs on iPadOS. It would be great if anyone from Evernote could confirm they know that there is iPadOS and that iPads are not big iPhones and that they actual at least think about developing a dedicated iPad version of Evernote (using 12.9" screens, full Pencil support, full multi-tasking/window support, full trackpad/mouse support, full keyboard support).

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  13. 1 minute ago, PinkElephant said:

    For other use cases, the Noteshelf option is probably better, especially because Penultimate is a walking dead software, not able to even perform simple tasks offered by most other handwriting annotation apps.

    Yeah, I think that is the point. I used GoodNotes and Notability (both have PDF export with OCR). These are the reference note taking apps on the iPad, but for some reason they don't offer direct export to Evernote. If Evernote is your personal archive for everything, the transfer of handwritten notes in another app should be simple, fast and straightforward. Noteshelf is the only app besides the big disappointment Penultimate that offers a live sync to Evernote. And I was surprised to find out that Noteshelf is currently on par with GoodNotes and Notability. It is really an insider tip.

    I hope all these apps (including Evernote!) will adapt fast the new functionalities of iPadOS. This will be a real game changer (opening multiple documents side-by-side!).

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  14. 1 minute ago, PinkElephant said:

    Just as information: There has been reports that the sync from noteshelf into EN has gone bad sometimes. It seems that when the notes get very big (plenty of pages), this can cause hiccups. So if you want to use it, probably keep the notes short, and use more of them.

    Personally I use GoodNotes 5 for note taking. No sync into EN, but exports as pdf, including OCR for searching in the handwritten notes.

    Sometimes the sync can take longer, but nothing gets lost. Way better than having to export manually every single note all the time like in GoodNotes and Notability. Export in these apps is not just a tap, it means several taps for each note. And if you change something in the note afterwards, you have to export it again and delete the first export. With Noteshelf (and Penultimate of course) you can edit a note in Noteshelf (Penultimate) as often as you want and every change will be automatically synced to the same note in Evernote.

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  15. 4 minutes ago, u352 said:

    How do you create an editable note in NS2? When I create the note in NS2 it is a locked note in EN? 

    The Noteshelf integration with Evernote is exactly the same as the one of Penultimate. Therefore the created notes are NOT editable in Evernote - only in Noteshelf. This thread is about Penultimate and Noteshelf works as a replacement for Penultimate - in every way.

  16. Just to follow up on the alternatives: NoteShelf 2 is really what Penultimate was supposed to be. It has the exact same Evernote sync functionality as Penultimate (read-only notes that are automatically updated), but it has full Apple Pencil support and more or less everything GoodNotes and Notability offer. If you are still waiting for a proper update of Penultimate wait no longer and go for NoteShelf 2.

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  17. 1 minute ago, EdH said:

    Evernote has done a good job of hiding its existence after they purchased it. Kinda like Skitch and Scannable. 

    I think the reason is that there is no development at all. It was basically made into a companion to the Adonit Jot Script. This device became completely obsolete with the release of the Pencil and instead of changing the app and its concept, Evernote decided to freeze the app as it was. At the same time they introduced this half-hearten drawing functionality within Evernote, but never developed this in a real functionality for handwritten notes.

    How essential handwritten note taking has become for the iPad is obviously by looking at the Top 20 best selling iOS apps of 2018: GoodNotes 4, Notability, MyScript Nebo, Noteshelf 2, Notes Plus - 5 out of 20 best selling apps in 2018 are specific apps for handwritten notes with the Pencil.

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