BurgersNFries

Encryption: the 2 best ones are probably SpiderOak and Wuala. The latter is Switzerland, France & Germany-based, i.e. outside the US.

the former is recommended by snowden. it has zero knowledge encryption and a "canary" system to inform users if the govt. does try and compel them to hand over data. i don't think it matters so much where they are located as long as they are zero knowledge.

Additionally, I've heard it doesn't matter where the company is based, but where the servers are located. However, I have no idea if this is accurate or not.

Can anyone bring me up to speed on OneNote data security? Does ON offer an option to store some of your data ONLY on your local drive, like EN does with local notebooks? Or does everything get stored to OneNote's cloud?

 

For data that is stored to the cloud, is there a zero knowledge encryption option? Or do we have to trust MS, which is among the companies that have opened their kimonos to the NSA?

Onenote allows you to save a notebook on your computer only or to the cloud. The thing I've not figured out is how to make local backups of notebooks in the cloud.  There is this thread, that I've not had time to study yet: http://windowsitpro.com/onenote/back-skydrive-hosted-onenote-notebooks#

Onenote appears to use zero knowledge encryption b/c when I encrypted a notebook, it gives the message "If you lose or forget the password, Onenote cannot recover your data."

 

 

Cute, but the usual answer in the real world is that the folks who make decisions about what to implement don't see it as a high priority item. I suppose that could count as "they don't care" or "they don't care enough about the issue to change the behavior".

 

 

Ah, yes, asking users is so tedious. 

 

My favorite response to this thread was early one when an apparent developer explained that Evernote selects the image with the "biggest smallest dimension."  HAHAHAHA.  

 

I plan to use that as a fantastic example of exceptionally poor human design. The analogy for bad machine programming would be writing code instructing the system to select the "coolest image."  

 

I don't recall 'tedious' being stated as to why they don't ask their users.  But clearly, EN does not see this as a high priority.  Debating why is pointless. 

I think it's interesting that the users formerly known as Evangelists have added no useful content to this thread,

So something is still not right...

Actually, the first post to veer off topic was post 21 by someone who was not an evangelist. Posts 27 & 28 were also OT by a non-evangelist.  And of course, it's still being dragged out by yourself in your latest post.  Once again, this is not the venue to discuss what you don't like about other users.  If anyone feels a post goes against the forum code of conduct, use the report button. 

I would like to remind everyone that this remains a users board.  If you feel any post goes against the forum code of conduct, you can use the report button that is located on each & every post.  Other than that, all users are free to post and are expected to keep their posts on topic. I will also remind you that the report button is not for reporting posts you do not like or by posters you do not like.  It's fair to assume we are all adults & should behave that way.

This is not the place to discuss what you don't like about your fellow message board members.  There was nothing wrong with Scott's replies & it's clear that he was trying to be helpful.  I will reiterate what Gaz said...

Cwb - a few threads have degenerated into name-calling,  but by and large most contributors here are as polite and helpful as they can be bearing in mind that no-one gets paid to do this (apart from those happy souls wearing Evernote Employee shirts).  Snarking at someone who took the time to make any kind of a comment is pretty much the same as disrespecting someone who pulls over to offer help when you're flat tyred at the side of the road because they don't have the right can of oil.  Your time isn't more valuable than theirs,  and your sensibilities won't be damaged beyond all repair by getting a non-helpful response.  (I get those all the time from most sales assistants..)

 

Common courtesy is a talent it behooves everyone to cultivate as best they can...

Perhaps this thread can get back on (and remain on) topic, since I assume that threads that devolve into this type of "discussion" will continue to be locked.

IMHO, this is a must have feature. In the mac I also use DevonThink (LINK). DT has a feature that looks for some sort of semantic similarities between notes and groups suspected duplicates in a smart folder. You can then go there and confirm whether those are duplicates or not. Mendely (LINK), a reference manager for scientific papers, also has a similar feature.  

 

Since EV (at least the premium version) scans all PDF, pictures, and text files, something similar to DT solution could be implemented... If you use EV as an "everything bucket" (as many people do, I guess), you will certainly end up with tons of duplicates.

 

Just my 5 cents...  

 

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I have over 63,000 notes in my main account & very rarely come across dups.  But when I do, like Jefito & Factman, it's a "so what?" moment.  I either merge them or put one in the trash, depending upon my mood.  IE, if I'm not entirely sure they are dups, I merge them.  NBD.  But certainly I don't have "tons of duplicates" and this is not a "must have" for me.  One of my "must haves" is having the Windows client be able to handle the large number of notes.  (It doesn't).  Or the iOS client able to handle large accounts.  (It doesn't)  Or have the web client search produce the same results the Windows client does.  (It doesn't).  Or having the note count the same between all clients when you have notebooks shared to you.  (They aren't).  Yeah, those are what I consider "must haves".  But dups?  No big deal.  (shrug)

1) Is there no button on IOS for undo still? I've seen several posts about an undo key on the numeric keyboard or some undo/redo buttons on the right of the ribbon above the on-screen keyboard, but I have been able to locate neither.

2) why has such a fundamental editing feature remained absent from Evernote for so long? There's room on the ribbon above the keyboard for instance. It could be a feature to toggle on or off if you're worried any users would feel these buttons are a waste of space.

BUT, and I don't think I'm alone on this, if you want me to spend more time generating content in Evernote, I need an easy way to undo an editing action without interrupt my flow by stopping to shake my phone and deal with a dialogue box.

PLEASE address this...

Please read post #20 (the one that is right before your post.)

Gosh, if I see that yesterday.... Hope this will help to others

If you still didn't close the note

Shake your iPhone to undo last action

(you can undo several actions one by one, just shake it again)

Thanks everyone for your thoughts! it seems that with a Premium Account one would be able to semi-customize the accounts. When I'm show my notes to clients I don't want them to see other clients folders cause well.. its just not cool!

Premium offers many things over free accounts.  I don't know why hiding or (semi-customize, whatever that means) would be something that would generally be expected.

I was talking to one of the Evernote people recently and I was told that there was a rumor of a Linux client coming "soon".  That's all they would say.  I was told to keep it quiet.  So I'm sure everybody here will agree to that stipulation.  That's all I heard.

If it's true, I'm sure they appreciate you keeping it quiet.

It sounds like Evernote needs to grow up.  Microsoft has discontinued selling Windows 7, and Windows 8 doesn't work.  My family and I need viable computer OS options.  We are moving to Linux.   The proportion of users using Linux can be expected to grow pretty exponentially pretty quickly, if Evernote staff don't stop calling Linux users children, and get with the program.

 

Evernote is good software.  Surely you don't want it become a Dinosaur when Microsoft does?

Ok, please point out where EN has called Linux users children. If you're going to make the claim, you need to be able to support it. As far as EN making a Linux client, it's been repeatedly stated & AFAIK, nothing has changed.

I have just started using EN and was exploring how to create a hierarchy of stacks.  To my disappointment it cannot be done.  What I find more distressing about this product is that EN has apparently opted to not address the issue other than to say that it might, maybe, could be, possibly, something to consider in the future...or not.

 

Then there are the EN evangelists on the different threads who subtly, and not so subtly, berate the rest of us for not adopting the organizational structure that is given to us from above.  One poster even said that she learned by experimenting on the program daily and keeps learning something new and hinted the rest of us just need to buckle down and study more.

 

I'm sorry, but I don't have all that time to invest.  The cross platform access is great.  But it doesn't override my organizational wants/needs.  I need to be up and running quickly.  If I had nested stacks available, I would have been on the road to purchasing, and implementing, a business or premium account.  As it stands now, I am moving on to a different solution or going to keep doing what I am doing.  I wonder how much business has been lost by people who just gave up and went on to other solutions and didn't spend the time to express their displeasure.

 

Go ahead, keep preaching that we need to change our ways of thinking about organizational structure.  I am moving on.  Change your tune and offer nested stacks and maybe I'll be back.

You make generalizations like "the EN evangelists on the different threads who subtly, and not so subtly, berate the rest of us for not adopting the organizational structure that is given to us from above"  I'm pretty sure no one has berated anyone.  However, we do say if that's a deal breaker for you, then sure, you need to find another app.  I don't know why anyone would take offense to that, since it's honest.

I also don't get why "One poster even said that she learned by experimenting on the program daily and keeps learning something new and hinted the rest of us just need to buckle down and study more." is offensive to you.  Pretty much every new app takes some learning in order to use it to it's fullest extent. 

And finally, as I said above, if sub notebooks are a deal breaker for you, then yes, you need to find another app that better suits your needs.  Different strokes for different folks & that's why there's chocolate & vanilla. 

Good luck!

Understood, but the post you're citing from "Jackolicious", is more than 5 months old... do you have any updated information on the current status, the main obstacles, and the - hopefully near - future forecasts/expectations regarding the Picture-Preview-Issue?

This is a users board. EN staff post occasionally. And EN does not publish their roadmap or ETAs.

I agree...

Professionalism >>

If the people behind Evernote handels customer feedback in a professional manner - Going through this tread, makes it very clear, that this issue has to be addressed.

If a code-designer - in an effort to address this issue - considers a change in 'algorithm' - to simply selecting the first image - to be a task too complicated, either the code is a complete mess, or the code-designer is no longer acting professionally...

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The Reason and the Why >>

I can only guess, as to what the possible causes for something like this might be, but imagine that whoever created the current 'algorithm', also promoted this idea in a discussion with his or her coworkers (since anyone using Evernote on a regular basis, would quickly notice this issue) - now that code-designer is emotionally involved in the final outcome of this discussion/request, and might regard a code-re-design, as a personal admission to failure.

I find it very hard to believe, that the main obstacles are technical in nature. For a problem - apparently going back several years now - I would have expected a post from someone within the company, explaining the obstacles involved in a re-design of the code or algorithm, in order to get some concrete suggestions to possible solutions, or at least reassure free-users and paying customers that an effort is being made.

Since a thorough & professional response - to the request of Change - has not been made, my best guess is that the obstacles are psychological in nature.

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Solution (The First Step) >>

The code-designing of the Evernote software, is probably divided into several teams, where each employee is designated an "area of expertise".

So bear in mind, that this discussion/request might very well be followed by only a few, or maybe just one Evernote employee.

Since this tread - at the moment - appears to result in nothing, the best way to improve the chances of a fix, would be to increase the internal awareness - of this tread and the Picture-Preview-Issue - within the Evernote Corporation, by sending a link to this discussion/request to different areas of support, and ask why nothing is being done >>IMPORTANT>> you should only send the link and the question one time, to each different line of support, and make it as Short as possible, don't spam, and keep it constructive...

The more Different people who do this, the better will the chances be, of creating a constructive internal pressure towards a fix, by increasing awareness, as to how many dedicated users (which you must be, if you read this far) actually recognize the current Picture-Preview-Function as inappropriate.

Overall, I think their services include many great tools for organising, research and sharing, and a possible fix to the discussed issue, would be a very useful improvement to Evernote.

Good luck (if you need it)

The requests for this feature have definitely been noted and I appreciate the spirited discussion!

 

Just as a point of reference, describing the complexity of this task as "small" or assuming that it would "only take half a day" is grossly underestimating the level of effort involved in modifying a database structure supporting 80 million users (and billions of notes) in a production environment Happy to discuss this further with anyone in a separate thread!

The point of having a single note show up in multiple notebooks (and not multiple tags) is that maybe each notebook is shared with 4 separate people. However, I don't want to have 4 copies of the same note. I'd rather have and update a single note to be replicated for each of the other four shared notebooks.

 

As far as I know, tags cannot do that.

Then you can use the alternate methods...clipping four times or making four copies. It's doubtful EN would ever allow the same note to reside in multiple notebooks & may even be impossible...just as you cannot store a file on your hard drive in multiple folders. You have to make copies.

There are many threads on the subject of a deeper hierarchical structure for notebooks.

One of the reasons I signed up for a premium account is because I "hoped" that would give me a deeper hierarchical structure. Unfortunately I was wrong.

If enough people keep asking for this feature, the EN management might just reconsider accommodating customer demand. After all, the customer is supposed to be king???

 

Please don't tell me that the answer is Tags. Sure, tags are useful but they don't fit the way I work. I like to browse down a hierarchy as part of my personal search and creative process.

 

So, Evernote management, please... a cry from a paying customer... please reconsider and allow us to add notebooks within notebooks within notebooks...

 

Dave Britzius

(Cape Town) 

The customer is not always king. When two customers each want a feature that is mutually exclusive, who wins? Or a feature would negatively impact something about the product. Or there are higher priorities. Or the devs have simply decided to not incorporate a particular feature, for whatever reason. After all, they owe it to existing customers AND employees to make good business decisions so the company can (hopefully) remain profitable. Simply being a paying customer and expecting something you want changed to be changed is unreasonable.

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This relates to the thread how...???

+1000 on this feature request!!!

I know the difference about tags and notebooks but sometimes notes just belongs in several notebooks!

As mentioned copy and paste isn't a very good workflow. I want them to "link" to the same note and update everywhere as I change it.

Coming from a Springpad workflow this feature is just a necessity

Evernote is not Springpad. Given that Springpad has died & EN has over 100 million users, it seems EN has gotten some things right. Evernote's philosophy is a note lives in just one notebook. It's doubtful this philosophy will change any time soon, if ever. As has been stated many times, tags are the way to be able to retrieve/organize notes. You can look at it this way, tags can replicate notebooks & by using tags, a note can appear to be in "Notebook A" (a tag) as well as "Notebook B" (a tag).

I think Evernote seem overly biased towards Apple. Why do inferior Apple devices seem to get new features first.

Surely Evernote can make a Linux client very easily since Apple ripped off Linux as the basis of its Mac OS.

TeamViewer seem to manage very easily to accommodate Linux users. It secretly and seamlessly uses WINE underneath but it works perfectly.

I feel disheartened that every time want to make full use of Evernote I have to boot into an inferior operating system :-(

Come on! Evernote should be promoting their image to one of Open Source and collaboration.

You seem to think because you think Apple products and Windows OS are inferior that that's a fact. Well guess what? It's not a fact & simply your opinion. Each has their own pros & cons as does Linux. WRT Evernote, you can always use the web client.

Would you settle for the web client? Isnt the fact that this topic has been hashed and re hashed so many times generally point towards there being public interest? I understand that they have said "NO" they are not doing one and we realise that you personally cannot do anything about that however.....

Isn't expressing our interest to them either directly or in the forums the best way to get our views across? Customer feedback? If we just simply say nothing then that confirms that "No linux client" was a good decision. I imagine converting their "FREE" members to "PREMIUM" would be high on their priority list and creating a linux client would be as good way to do that.

No one is objecting to anyone expressing their desire for a Linux client. But all the conspiracy theories regularly posed about why EN has made that decision are fair game for debate, even if it is strictly academic.

And to answer your first question, yes, I use the web client every day.

I have two Livescribe pens that I use for important meetings. If I were taking classes, I would definitately use them. IME. sometimes, when something is very important, low tech (pen & paper) is the most reliable method. Plus, I like being able to listen to the audio.

So are we saying that "zero knowledge" encryption is too much to ask from a Premium EverNote offering?

 

Zero Knowledge would mean that EverNote would need a password that only the user knows to decrypt and access the data......essentially the data would be encrypted on the local computer or device before syncing to the cloud......emailing in notes may not be encrypted until later or never at all in this scenerio as the EN servers would handle the processing via email.

To re-reiterate & be extremely clear..."zero knowledge" encryption is mutually exclusive from one of Evernote's main draws which is indexing your data.  So although they may add this in the future, it's not their main focus.  If you want total zero knowledge encryption, you should seek out a backup program.  There are several very good ones out there.  Evernote is not a backup program, nor are they striving to be.

There really is nothing more I have to add.

The post about data mining is not mine. I wrote:

 

Evernote, please add full-notebook encryption. 

 

I'm a psychologist and use my iPad for therapy session notes.  The law on psychologist-client and HIPAA requires me to keep client information confidential.  If there's no encryption, and my notes are in plain text, I cannot send them to Evernote which is one of three options for exporting notes that my note-taking program allows.  

 

This is the case for every medical professional in the US, so until you add full-notebook encryption, using your product for serious work is unacceptable. I realize that many users do not need this option and agree with others that I would be glad to pay an additional fee for encryption at the notebook level. Ideally I would be able to transfer the file to Evernote locally and then add it to an encrypted in Evernote to allow access wherever I am.

I don't believe anyone said you wrote about data mining...???

Evernote is not & I doubt they ever will be HIPAA compliant, which I believe is a requirement for the medical industry.

BurgersNFries - Are you saying that my data on the EN servers is only accessible to me? Are you saying that if someone hacked an EN server and grabbed data they would not be able to access the data without first breaking the encryption?

I want some level of comfort that the data is safe from all prying eyes but properly authenticated access via username/password. I use complex passwords and am willing to take the risk of someone hacking that password......I just don't know if the data is encrypted "at rest" on the servers, data in transit is encrypted, but what about at rest?

If someone grabbed the database from an EN server, would that database require years of computing power to decrypt?

These should be simple questions to answer yes or no.....there are many cloud backup providers, some provide users with the ability to use personal encryption password keys to ensure that the data is encrypted at rest......of course if the users forget these passwords, the data is not accessible by the user or the vendor.....this is the type of security we are asking for and willing to pay for.

We all love EN and want to put more and more data there, but we need to be sure that the data is properly secured.

Please read the thread I linked to above. It's thorough & I'm not inclined to rewrite what I've already written. If you want a simple yes/no answer, then it's really simple...if you don't want a hacker getting your data, then don't put it in any cloud unless it is encrypted with an encryption key that is not known to the hosting company. I use Amazon S3 servers for this. But Evernote is not a backup app...it indexes your data & cannot do this if the data is truly & securely encrypted.

I will be clear as to what I want:

 

I want my data synchronized with the online (cloud) version in a way that only I can access while logged in. I want the data to be encrypted on your server in a way that no one can access the data without the encryption key. You can use an encryption algorithm that uses the login password to create the encryption key.

 

I want the data at rest on your servers to be encrypted and secure so that if there is an EverNote security breech, I will know that my data is safe. If that means that EverNote can't use data mining against my data, so be it, but that might limit EverNote's revenue if they are monetizing our data in ways similar to the way Google does....i.e. targeted Ads

Evernote does not data mine.

If your data is encrypted on the EN servers, it cannot be indexed, which is a big part of Evernote's appeal. If you say to use your logon password as part of the encryption password, then that's not much more secure than no encryption. You may find this old thread informative.

I really hate it when startups appear to have absolutely no HCI experts. Most of Evernote is pretty smooth and intuitive but this feature shows a severe lack of insight. Why do you think people even use your app?

 

Without an electronic note taking system students need to organize bulks of printed class notes and jot down critical information into a notebook. The problem with this is you can't really copy and paste a screenshot into your notebook. Nor can you arrange those screenshots and notes into a system that follows your personal thinking process.

 

For example, I'm studying and I keep coming across the same thing that was critical in Lecture 1. I want to take a screenshot and sort it into that information. How can I do that in Evernote? I can't! You've recreated the same problem that exists with paper notebooks but put it in an electronic medium. You've created a static organizational system where it doesn't even have to exist. Please fix this.

 

Also, your Evernote peek App looks interesting but I have no idea how it relates to your main App. Do I have to create a separate notebook just for Flash cards? How would I be able to organize those flash cards when I have 100+ if I want to review only a subset that relate to a specific topic?

 

You have the largest range of features but you don't know how to organize it properly so that it's user-friendly. Please get on top of this unless you want a competitor to bridge that gap.

Well, as this is your first post, maybe you are in the wrong class.  Or maybe you need to learn more about the apps & what they can or cannot do before condemning them.  There are plenty of uses for Evernote that do not include arranging notes manually.  However, I'm easily able to copy/paste screen shots into my notebooks.  Or arrange the photos within the notes.  There is plenty of information here on the board about how to use EN, if you're interested.

Good luck.

but claims by evangelists etc. that one is not required is laughable.

It's really tiring when someone attributes inaccurate info to other users. I'm pretty certain no evangelist ever said a diff is not required. Please link to any post you've found that does make such a claim. Unless & until you do, it appears you are twisting words to suit your own agenda & is just a cheap pot shot and, well, laughable. (To use your own word).

Thank you.