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BurgersNFries

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  1. I find this conversation difficult to follow with all the argument and insults, which are unnecessary.  Be civil folks, we are not in a competition here for who is the best or knows best.  I know that I like Notebooks with subfolders, and tags are fine but come last for me, not first.  I am requesting Evernote people to consider my request, that's all.    Others have made the same request.  I don't think doing so is going to interfere with others' preference, nor would I want to interfere with others' preference. 

     

    This is to answer to the question from Evernote Plant asking how I organize books.  That is something that I can speak to, because I am a big book collector and have spent a lot of time figuring out ways to organize them.  Currently I use a program, which I like a lot, called Library Thing - www.librarything.com.   I keep my books in boxes labelled Box 1, 2, 3, etc. and I use the boxes as the tag.  So if I search for The Joy of Stress or the author of that book on my books in Library Thing, I know that I can find it in Box 1.  I have also tagged my books with the Dewey system which is inside most books, not all, and I use that rarely.  I usually know the name of a book or the author so I don't have to go any further.  

     

    In Evernote, though, it's a little more complicated because I snip a piece from the news - an opinion I read that resonated with me or because I wanted to read it later, or a photograph of someone I knew who passed away to keep as a memory - that sort of thing.  I would't tag that with the author because I wouldn't know the author enough to remember to search that, so when I'm unsure where to put it, I put it into a Notebook called Clippings to Be Sorted Later.  It currently has about 2,000 clippings and I wanted to get it sorted, which is why I came here to find out how to do a Notebook with subfolders, as I couldn't do it.   I naturally gravitate to a Notebook with subfolders as an initial try as it's what I'm used to.  If it was there as an option, along with tags, then I would find my own way to organize that works for me.  I think what suits one person doesn't suit another and so on.  Like I said, thanks to the poster I mentioned in my first post, I figured out a way around it and I have started to sort my Clippings and spent the entire day yesterday doing it.  So I am very thankful to that poster as I was despairing of ever finding a way through the maze.  

     

    So basically I would like to be able to right click on Notebook, it would open an option box to the right which would have "create subfolder, or subnotebook" and name (with allowance for renaming later) and that's all, as far as I can think at the moment.  I can do the tags too, though I admit that I find tags difficult to do as I can never figure out exactly what to put or where to stop.  If I could put things into Notebook and subfolder first, I would start there and sort in my own way as I went along and make it my system.  

     

    Thanks for listening, Evernote.  

     

    The takeaway here and across all other threads asking for features is that:

     

    1) It's fine to request certain features

    2) It doesn't matter whether any of us think the missing feature should have been included from the get go b/c it's "basic" or whether it should be easy to add or whether it should be added & those who don't want it/need it don't have to use it, etc.  The decision is ultimately up to Evernote.  It's their product & their livelihood on the line. 

    3) Simply requesting a feature (even if it's been requested for many years, by hundreds of users) is no guarantee the feature will be added - see #2 above. 

    4) Evernote tends to shy away from features that can be turned on/off by user defined parameters.

    5) Users tend to think they need to define their use case, when requesting a long/often requested feature.  I'm pretty sure the folks at Evernote understand how the feature can be useful.  Evernote doesn't ever say a particular feature is useless.  The fact that they don't implement said feature simply states that they (Evernote) have decided to not implement said feature so far & maybe never.  For whatever reason.

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    The usual workaround that I suggest nowadays is to make a separate account for stuff that you are afraid that you might mess up by inadvertently editing them. Share the notebooks in that account as read-only to your main account, and you are saved from yourself.

     

    It's an ad-hoc thing.  Fiddling about sharing with myself from an additional account sounds a right PITA.  I just want to click a button "Make Read Only", "Protect from Changes" or whatever.

     

    KD

     

     

    Since there is not a way to do what you want & there is no way to know if Evernote will add this or not (since they do not discuss their roadmap), Jeff is simply offering you an alternate way to do what you are wanting to do (write protect notes).  Hence the term "workaround".


  3. I second this request.

     

    The diary application "One Day" requires a password.  Evernote could to.  And should, given what some of us put in it.

     

    Not sure why this entire discussion thread is about "other ways" to keep Evernote data secure.  Why not just add a password feature and move on?

    Other ways are discussed in order to inform users of, well, other viable ways that are currently available to protect sensitive information. We are users, just like yourself. So unless & until Evernote decides to add a password to their desktop apps, other methods are all that are available to users.


  4. Yes, yes, I cry out for nested notebooks/notestacks, just like nested file folders in any OS. For a simple reason--it's just so intuitive, logical, and natural way to org the files/notes.

    Nested notebooks/folders are anything but intuitive or logical, for the reasons Gaz mentioned above. Jefito's classic example is if I have a red, round, rubber ball, do I file it under things that are red? Things that are round? Things that are rubber? Things that are toys? This becomes more complex the more notes you have. If you have only a few hundred notes, then it may be pretty easy to retrieve them by digging around in nested notebooks/folders. But if you have tens of thousands of notes, it becomes a nightmare. If we came out of the womb knowing to use nested notebooks/folders, then it would seem applications like Mac's Finder or Windows Locate32 or Everything would be useless.

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  5. I accidentally overwrote all of the data in one of my notes a few weeks ago, and the change got synced to servers (this happened from my iOS device, and I didn't know how to undo a change on it). So I lost all the data from that note.

     

    But I just found out about the Note History feature that Premium users have. I'd like to use it to recover the data from my note. If I upgrade to Premium now, will the Note History have the old data from about a month ago, even though I was a free user at the time?

    Yes. If you upgrade to premium, you will have access to previous note history. Note history is only taken once about every eight hours. But if the good note had been on the EN servers at least that long before you sync'd the accidental change, there should be a good copy in the note history. And you will have access to that, after upgrading.

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    Other companies always provide free service for there products, Buffalo Technology for example has a call center located in San Antonio. And they don't charge for it.

    Like I said, hiring book authors instead of tech people for tech support might have been the problem.

    Also not hiring people that are smarter than the call center manager might also be the other problem.

    Guess what...many companies provide free support b/c they have software you must PAY for.B

     

    But it really doesn't matter what you or I think.  It's Evernote's choice & they have a right to that decision.


  7. I think email support is more efficient with a large user base.

    While a chat can be nice, you can handle more tickets per hour when you do email support and at least I have a 60 to 80% first email resolved rate.

     

     

    But EN at one point didn't hire tech people but people that wrote novels and such. So there is no reason to wonder why they can talk with you for an hour before you find out that they can't help you.

     

    If EN would get his tech support going, they could handle all premium tickets in 24 to 48 hours and would have time to handle free tickets as well.

    So maybe they need to get the ticket system to a new standard with tech people that know what they are doing and than they could work more efficient and even have here some people that can answer questions.

    Or...maybe users who want support should be willing to pay $45 USD/year for support (and ongoing development) of a product they rely upon.

    Having said that, it appears support for premium users has been less than desirable over the past year.


  8. How can I use Scannable to scan to a local notebook over my local wifi instead of to the Evernote server? Is this possible?

    Evernote does not sync device to device. All syncing goes through the Evernote servers. So although I'm not familiar with Scannable, it's doubtful it is able to sync bypassing the Evernote servers.


  9. I created individual notebooks for each employee in my business from my Evernote account and shared the notebook with the person concerned. 

     

    They then created their own Evernote accounts. They have access to their own notebook where they update daily tasks, and a common notebook where everyone can write notes to each other - like a whiteboard. I have access to all the notebooks since I created them. 

     

    My question is that, when others upload images/files to their notebook from their account, is usage entered into my account limit since I created their notebooks? Or just theirs? Or both?

     

    We want to get Premium accounts for those people who need to upload a lot of files. If their account usage is linked to mine, would each person need to get their own Premium account, or can I just get a Premium account and they can update their notebooks from my account?

     

    Thanks! :)

    Upload goes against the account of the owner of the notebook.


  10. I don't understand why this idea was more or less shouted down by a moderator via criticism of phrasing.

    No one has "shouted down" any ideas.

     

    Isn't the point of this forum to suggest and advocate for new ideas which are by definition opinions?

    Absolutely! Which is why I said:

     

    WRT it being 'necessary'...that's an opinion.  Many people successfully use EN without this feature. I could not care less about text to speech.   Many also consider another feature more necessary than what you do.


  11. I am currently scanning a huge pile of business cards for my boss and thought I might be able to use scannable to save some time.

     

    I have scanned the first few cards but now want to export them into numbers (apple's version of excel) which I already have downloaded onto phone, however the option to do this is greyed out on the share menu. Do I need to connect them somehow? Or is this a premium feature I need to pay for?

     

    Thanks in advance for your help.

    What client??? Using the Windows or Mac desktop client, you can select one or more notes & export them. But you can only export to html or enex, not csv.


  12. It's hard to say what Evernote will or will not do.

     

    Here are some features, that many said would never happen, but were added after many users kept on requesting them:

    • Stacks (in response to the early requests for hierarchical notebooks)
    • Note links
    • Editing of images within Evernote
    For anyone who doesn't think it will ever happen and who don't see the need, feel free to just ignore this thread.

    For those who do see the need, feel free to keep on requesting it.

     

    But any post has the effect of bumping this thread to the top of the list, making it more visible.  :)

    And after nearly 7 years, there are those who regularly ignore requests to back up what they say.

     

     

    Wow!  After nearly 7 years, and 715 posts, this thread is still active with many, many users asking for hierarchical Notebooks (sub-Notebooks).  There remain a few users who consistently argue against Evernote providing this feature.

    Really? Who? Do try to be specific when making vague claims like this.

    Anyways, yawn. Nothing new to see here.

     

     

    Don't know what you mean by "yawn".  Do try to be specific when making vague claims like this.

     

    If this is boring to you, then why bother posting a reply that adds no value?

     

    If you don't get the significance of many users continuing to request this feature after 7 years, then I don't think anyone can explain it to you.

    If there is seven years worth of posts by people arguing "against Evernote providing this feature", surely you can dredge up at least one post...??? Rather than just flapping your proverbial gums.

    YAWN.


  13. Wow!  After nearly 7 years, and 715 posts, this thread is still active with many, many users asking for hierarchical Notebooks (sub-Notebooks).  There remain a few users who consistently argue against Evernote providing this feature.

    Really? Who? Do try to be specific when making vague claims like this.

    Anyways, yawn. Nothing new to see here.

     

     

    Don't know what you mean by "yawn".  Do try to be specific when making vague claims like this.

     

    If this is boring to you, then why bother posting a reply that adds no value?

     

    If you don't get the significance of many users continuing to request this feature after 7 years, then I don't think anyone can explain it to you.

    And after nearly 7 years, there are those who regularly misquote what other users have said in order to fit their own agenda. Sad, but true. As requested, please cite where anyone (ANYONE) has argued against EN adding this feature. Otherwise, you look like a fool.


  14. burgernfries do you work at evernote?

    if you are an ui developer then you need to

    be fired right now. Ive been having this

    problem for a year now. since then I take

    all my important notes on a different program

    being a premium user doesn't help any

    too much thing on EN , a hostage.

    I'm slowly switching to something else

    it is very upsetting. users on here are

    trying to be patient but wtf?

    so go xxxx yourself G

    with that xxxxxxx user error *****

    Thank you for the best laugh I've had all week.

    I suggest you educate yourself before making yourself look so foolish (on so many levels) ever again.

    Good luck.


  15. The fact is that very little changed after that blog post and Libin's response.

    In the last year I haven't seen any of the "sexy" security that was promised and I think overall quality has in many cases collapsed. Penultimate, the new Mac client and the '"beta" web app have been pretty embarrassing and in some cases required huge amounts of (costly) back pedalling. In the meantime they decided (correctly I believe) to stop supporting free users but handled the process terribly.

    Libin is great for click bait, you can see why the tech conferences and techy websites like him. I like listening to him on the podcasts. I don't believe a single word he says about Evernote because most of the time it's not true or he simply doesn't have the ability to deliver it.

    I still use the product dozens of times a day, but in pretty much every use case it's for a lightweight task. I don't think I would ever be able to commit to completing a really important task in Evernote.

    I disagree that very little has changed, for the reasons you mention. IMO, a lot has changed and for the worst. Overall decline in quality, removing key features with no warning (sharing, support for free users - which, BTW was silently implemented with no mention by Evernote for several MONTHS eventhough it was a hot topic amongst users on this board), support for premium users seems to be pretty poor now, too) and overall, divorcing themselves from their users.

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  16. Hi Dunkit - just unfortunate that the vocabulary did not match - I pretty much understood what you meant straight away.

     

    Maybe moderators should try to avoid confrontational responses - this is a forum not an argument.

     

    Yes - losing stacks - or rather the lack of drag and drop functionality to manage notebooks in the UI - is a loss of functionality and a big loss.

    My comments are not confrontational or argumentative. In order to understand and explain, it's best to use accurate verbiage.


  17. ChromeOS isn't a workstation Linux distribution for a sys admin. As far as who needs data locally? 

     

    Anyone with a laptop (consultants, engineers, sales engineers) that travel, work in remote sites, secured areas, closed datacenters, subways and tunnels, people who fly.... Just because it's not your need, doesn't mean the need doesn't exist.

    I'm pretty sure no one is saying there is not a need. What is being said, is that Evernote has stated publicly they had no plans to make a linux client & there has been no evidence they have changed that opinion.


  18. Yes & no. It indirectly limits what you can upload & store in a single month. But ultimately, the storage is unlimited. IE, if you use up all 4 gigs of upload three months in a row, you now have 12 gigs of storage you are using.

    The exception to this is if you regularly edit large notes, since editing existing notes goes against the upload limit. For text & small notes, this is probably negligible. IE, if you have a PDF or a photo that is 500 megs & you upload it, you've used 500 megs. Then you modify the PDF or the image & sync again, you've now used a total of 1000 megs upload, but are only using 500 megs of storage.


  19. Ahh, I think I see. Thanks. So it's not storage, sounds like that's not the direct limitation. It's amount of data that can be uploaded, which I guess indirectly limits storage capacity?

     

    Thanks again.

    Yes & no. It indirectly limits what you can upload & store in a single month. But ultimately, the storage is unlimited. IE, if you use up all 4 gigs of upload three months in a row, you now have 12 gigs of storage you are using.

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