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  1. On my Mac, I created a notebook NB1. I left NB1 empty.

    I synced and then I synced my iPad.

    On my iPad, NB1 showed up, empty as expected.

    On the iPad I set NB1 so that it is not an offline notebook.

    I synced the iPad and the Mac.

    On Mac, I inserted a Note into NB1 and then I synced the Mac and the iPad.

    On the iPad, when I open NB1, Note is in NB1.

    Did I overlook a step? I am pretty sure that the content of Note should not be in iPad's NB1, but the content is in fact there.

    thanks

    Offline refers to the details of the note not being synced down. It does not mean the header information will not be synced down. Header formation for all notes is always synced to mobile devices, regardless if the notebook is set for offline access or not. If the notebook is set for offline access, the body of the notes will also be synced down. If the notebook is not set for offline access, the body of the note is not synced down unless & until you try to call up the note on the mobile device. When you synced the iPad, only the header info/meta data for the note was synced to the iPad, not the full contents of the note. IOW, if you create a new note on Mac, sync Mac, sync iPad, but do not call up the note on the iPad...then exit the app in the iPad. Now put iPad in airplane mode, go into Evernote and try to call up the note, the contents should not be there. As Stuhrer said, mobile devices use a cache. So if you created the note on the iPad or had previously called up the note on the iPad, the note may still remain in the cache & be accessible when you do not have internet connectivity.

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  2. Been a long time user of evernote and I was considering upgrading to Premium but I was a little confused by the feature of "working offline". With the free version I can already use my tablet in a meeting, make notes, add audio or pictures...whatever and when I next have a wifi connection I can sync everything I've done. I can also edit existing notes and upload the changes later.

     

    So I guess the question is, what does the "working offline" feature of Premium add to the functionality? As far as I can see, the free version already has the ability to work offline. Did I miss something?

     

     

    https://discussion.evernote.com/topic/12565-offline-notes-on-ipad/


  3. Out of respect to Evernote, a few months ago, I started a message board where alternatives to Evernote could be discussed and discussed NOT on Evernote's message board.  I do not use Penultimate.  But if Penultimate users would like a place to freely discuss options, I will set up a segment on my board for this.  It's not a board to trash talk Evernote...just a board to discuss alternatives.  PM me, if interested. 

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  4. Thank you.  I saw that but figured there may be a way as others may prefer to store certain notes locally on mobile device (only). 

     

    IMO, it's very risky to store anything important on only a mobile device.  It's risky enough to have something stored only in one place anyway (IE on your desktop computer with no backups) b/c devices fail.  You'd better have a backup somewhere of the important stuff.  And of course, small, mobile devices are even riskier since they are more easily lost, stolen or broken. 

     

    If the info isn't important and/or sensitive, then the only reason I could think of why someone wouldn't want to sync is data charges.  In that case, simply use a notes app that is restricted to your device.


  5. I understand but this is exactly what Phil Libin criticizes. After more than one generation of using computers we still think of information as something physical that has a location (a file) and we organize it in filing cabinets (folders). When using a computer we should not care where something is kept. We should put information in context. How is some piece of information related to others? This is much more flexible than putting information at one location of an unflexible possibly deeply nested structure. Our brain also doesn't work like that. It puts information into context in many ways and the more context an information has the easier it is to remember.

    Exactly!  Some people new to Evernote seem to think the more information you have, the more you need sub notebooks.  In fact, it's the opposite.  The more information you have, the more limiting the sub notebook design becomes.

     

    Yup...tags are the way to go. I have yet to see an *organizational* case that cannot be accomplished with tags. Additionally, as has been mentioned above, tags are more flexible.

     

    Another reason to use tags is their flexibility (and why folder organization fails with very many files) is (to use Jefito's example), if you have a photo of a round, red, rubber ball...where do you put it in a folder structure? Do you put it under round? Red? Rubber? Ball? When using tags, it doesn't matter. Put it anywhere. Then tag it with round, red, rubber, ball. Then when you're looking for a red ball, you can simply select those tags & find all images of a red ball.

     

    I admit it might take some adjusting for some users.  But usually, after they get it, it's very freeing to be able to rely upon stacks/notebooks/tags/descriptive titles & keywords rather than trying to remember where you filed that round, red, rubber ball.  So much so that over 75% of my searches in Evernote are across ALL my notes, rather than restricted to a particular notebook or stack.  And yet I still quickly find what I'm looking for.

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  6. So when I am typing and stopping and the webpage says (synching), the ENTIRE note is being saved and using up the data allowance? This could happen several times a minute. (NB I am referring to when I am using the webpage, not the phone app.)

    IME, it is unclear if the entire note is uploaded or just changes.  It may be the entire note, since the software would need to know what has been changed compared to what's on the Evernote servers...IDK.  Most people actually think this is a GOOD thing.  If you've ever spent a long time composing a letter or working on a spreadsheet & then have something go wrong & you lose all that work, you quickly learn to save your work often.  Clearly, a web connection can be tenuous either due to computer going down or the internet going down.  So that's probably why the work is saved often on the web client.

     

    But if it's a concern for you, you can either switch to a desktop client (Mac or PC) and either sync less often or sync only manually.  Or, you can spend the $45/year ($3.75/month) to go premium, which gives you 4 gigs per month.  FYI, there is an anticipated rate increase for new premium users.  So if anyone is thinking of going premium, now is the time to do it.  There used to be an option to disable autosave in the web client, but it looks like that's one of the features that has been removed.


  7. I am older and less technically inclined! Help! I have old, Livescribe Pulse experience. I want to take meeting notes with sound and upload to to laptop where I can edit, print minutes of meetings and save sound to disk and mail out minutes and CD? Does Evernote manage that? Old system allowed that through livescribe desktop and Microsoft word.

     

    I have a Pulse & Echo.  The LS site allowed you to share notes/audio via pencasts.  Is that no longer supported?  IMO, that would be the fastest, easiest way to share.

     

    If you are wanting to EDIT the notes and/or audio, I don't know if LS software supports that.  IME, you'd need third party software to do that.  Maybe the newer software allows that.  Evernote software will not allow you to edit the audio & the only editing you could do to the notes is annotations. 

     

    For archival purposes, you should be able to use the LS software to pull the audio from a pencast & burn it to CD.  The burning may require third party software, rather than simply using the LS software, I don't know. 


  8. NEWBIE HERE!

     

    Just starting out with Evernote and using the web version (not Beta).

     

    I've noticed auto-sync whenever I stop typing, but wonder if this means I'm using upload allowance each and every time I stop to think, by re-saving the work so far.

     

    I've also downloaded the app for my iPhone and my online account states I've used about 15 MB this month (difficult to comprehend), yet the iPhone app states just 25 KB has been used - what gives?

     

    I hope more experienced users will be able to help me.

     

    Many thanks - in anticipation

    Each time a sync occurs, any new or modified notes get synced & yes, go against your upload limit. If you have not synced your phone after making changes from the web or another computer/device, then the phone doesn't have the latest upload used, which is maintained on the Evernote servers.


  9. Can we just get back to discussing the topic of this thread:  Requesting Evernote to provide sub-folders (actually sub-notebooks) ?

     

    Can we have a respectful discussion without beating up the poster, either directly or implied?

     

    I see no value in continuing to repeat the same arguments against subnotebooks, nor in trying to predict what Evernote will or won't do.  It should be clear to everyone by now that Evernote can, and does, make significant changes in vision/direction that few would have thought possible.

     

    If users want to repeat their need/request for a feature, then we should just let them without impugning them.  When anyone states the ease or difficulty of implementation it is obviously just a guess on their point, and I see no value in calling into question their guess and/or debating it.  What value is gained in doing so?

     

    If enough people express their need for a particular feature, then, who knows, maybe Evernote will reconsider providing the feature.

     

     

    No one is impugned for asking for features already requested.

     

    However, while it's valid for posters to repeatedly request a feature, it's equally valid for users to point out that Evernote does indeed understand sub-notebooks but has simply chosen not to implement them.  (For whatever reason)  Not a darned thing wrong with that.  Even though you may not like it.

     

    And all posters should be treated respectfully.  Even the ones you don't like.

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  10. WRT prefacing the note titles with numbers...

     

     

    I use numbers as tags to order notes - 1, 2, 3, etc.
    And, although I haven't yet tried, decimals might help to insert new notes rather than re-tagging everything!


    The following is discussing notebook names but applies to titles, tags, stacks, etc.


     

    Anticipating the number of documents amassed in some projects can be tricky and I'd rather not have to create unnecessary placeholders in anticipation (for example, 00001) (that's a lot of keyboarding just to be safe).

     

    If you think you will have less than 100 notebooks, use numbers 001 through 999 followed by the title.

    You can have 250 notebooks. And if you used numbers incremented by 1, that would be 001-250. Using 001 - 999 would be 999 notebooks.A better alternative, if you were to use this method, would be to use say, 00100, 00200, 00300, 00400, etc. as the prefix. That way, you can add notebooks in between 00100 & 00200 by using 00120 or 00150 without having to renumber all the subsequent notebooks.

     

    I use this method often, for one particular hobbyist project I have., where I want to force the files to sort in the order I want them.

     

     

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  11. Geez, lykoz, if I didn't know any better, I'd think you were sweet on me!  All those lengthy posts directed at little ol' me!!!  I hope you feel better now.  But guess what?  Evernote still doesn't have sub notebooks.

     

    Good luck!

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  12. Following the ongoing fussy between coders who seem to think that non-coders (i.e. "Paying Customers") are worthless and non-coders who seem to think that coding is all drag n drop, there is this one, little point: You are both right and you are both wrong.

    The reason for tags is to create an index for yourself. HOWEVER in order to do that effectively, you need to know up front that you are doing that. I will point out that there are people who ONLY write indices- that is how rarefied a thought process it is. Like coding... But by the time people have figured this out the list of tags is completely out of control. Hence the request for a sub folder kind of effect.

    If one uses evernote for everything, the sub folder idea is very attractive. Let me give you concrete examples:

    Field of Interest one: FOODS

    So I want to be able to group by regional cuisine, holidays menus, general information, and garden variety recipes. I can't DO this because Evernote thinks that tags are sufficient and They. Are. Not. eg.:

    Persian

    Asian

    North American

    Thanksgiving

    Norooz

    Shopping

    Baking

    Why? Second interest: GENEALOGY

    So I want to be able to group by geographic region, last name, altered last names, and investigations. I can't DO this because Evernote thinks that tags are sufficient and They. Are. Not. eg.:

    Scotland

    Italy

    Holmes County

    Smith

    Ward

    Elliott

    Livingston Investigation

    Why? Last interest: CRIMINAL LAW

    So I want to be able to group by statue, name of crime, appeals cases from different districts, those controlling and those not. I can't DO this because Evernote thinks that tags are sufficient and They. Are. Not. eg.:

    2912.12(A)

    DUI

    9th Dist.

    5th Dist

    Supremes

    Why? Because the "index", the alpha list of tags, now looks something like:

    2912.12(A) 5th Dist 9th Dist. Asian Baking Chardon DUI Elliott Holmes County Italy Livingston Investigation Norooz North American Persian Scotland Shopping Smith Supremes Thanksgiving Ward

    Not. Remotely. Helpful. So that is why, dear superior and arrogant coders TAGS DON'T WORK.

    But, whining, sulky, and insulting non-coders, here's this one little thing you can do:

    Think.

    Solution A- very bad- use different accounts for different major topics. This cripples the effectiveness of Evernote except on a computer with different browser profiles open at the same time. So what DOES work?

    You can use leading characters in the NAMES of your notebooks AND tags to create the effect of an expanded, hierarchical index. If you use:

    dot, star, underscore, & dash, for instance, and so forth, this will create list in this order:

    **

    *

    --

    -

    ...

    ..

    .

    __

    _

    You can do the same with tags.

    So both in the list of tags and the list of notebooks you have like grouped with like. See? Prombel (sic) solved.

    Now, all of that being said, I have less than no use for tags. They are a waste of time as near as I can tell for exactly this reason. I stopped using them ages ago. Why? Because- get this: You can search for stuff. Wild, huh?

    Maybe if people spent a little bit more time trying to solve a problem rather than proving that they and their opinions and experiences are superior to others', well...

    Nothing new here. But to correct you, there is no "fuss" between coders and non-coders. This has nothing to do with ones coding skills. The only fuss seems to be by those who seem to think Evenote does not understand sub-folders and that posting their use case will sway Evernote into adding sub folders.

    To reiterate the oft' repeated phrase, if sub folders are a deal breaker for you, then Evernote is not the app for you. Good luck finding an app that better suits your needs.

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  13. Has no one here ever used Google docs? The document is essentially "live" and can handle changes from multiple users simultaneously, even if they are signed in to the same Google account.

    I'm sure some folks here have used Google docs. Not sure what your point is, though. Just b/c one app does something one way doesn't mean all other similar type apps need to do the same thing. Google docs does what you need/want & Evernote does not. Sounds like you should stick with Google docs. As Jefito has said, "That's why there's chocolate & vanilla."


  14. Hi all,

     

    Our small team of 4 users all share the same Evernote account and update notes on a daily basis, sometimes adding to the same note simultaneously.  Our problem is that when we have multiple people adding to the same note, there is almost always a conflicting change in the note.

     

    Yup.

     

    Why is there not a live updating feature that allows multiple people to be working on the same note, very similar to the way that Google Drive/Docs works and you can see who is editing in real time?

     

    It's my understanding EN is rolling out "note locking". This would not allow "multiple people to be working on the same note" simultaneously.  And as Gaz said, I'm not sure this avoids the conflicting note problem if you're all logging into the same account.  It may require the note to be shared & users accessing that note from multiple accounts.

     

    Seems like a pretty simple idea, but does google hold a patent on live cloud updating or whatever you want to call it???

    This may SEEM like a "simple idea". But I doubt the implementation is not.

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  15. since it's not implemented yet we have to look for reasons why...

    Um, no we don't.  We don't because it doesn't matter why.  The bottom line is it is not.  So what the user needs to do is decide what they need to do.  Use EN for non sensitive info?  Use local notebooks for sensitive into?  Use another app? 

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  16. On the Windows client, it works as expected.

    https://www.evernote.com/shard/s137/sh/79ecb803-c9a4-42ed-8f39-04b9bdcb04df/e6c9bd0231791de8a8bc45926d39e4fa

    I would definitely say the web client not finding the exact phrase a BUG. And if the Mac version is not finding the exact phrase, that's a BUG, too and I would also say this is something that should be a high priority for EN to fix.

     

    AFAIK, this has yet to be fixed.  Around July, I submitted ticket # 627563 on this issue.  One would think this would be a pretty high priority...

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  17. I scan a few pages and then I connect the notemark pen to my computer, I was expecting to see a folder where I can retrieve these scans, but no new folder shows up in my Windows explorer.

    I do hear the sound that I connect a new device, and after a second I hear that sound again like it is disconnecting without having time to see if a folder was showing or not.

    Can someone help?

    Claude Larocque

    Evenote notes are not found/accessed via Windows Explorer. I don't know anything about a Notemark pen, but if it syncs with Evernote, you'll need to access the notes in your Evernote account by either using the Evernote web client or downloading & installing the Evernote Windows desktop client.


  18. Yup...tags are the way to go. I have yet to see an *organizational* case that cannot be accomplished with tags. Additionally, as has been mentioned above, tags are more flexible.

    Another reason to use tags is their flexibility (and why folder organization fails with very many files) is (to use Jefito's example), if you have a photo of a round, red, rubber ball...where do you put it in a folder structure?  Do you put it under round?  Red?  Rubber?  Ball?  When using tags, it doesn't matter. Put it anywhere.  Then tag it with round, red, rubber, ball.  Then when you're looking for a red ball, you can simply select those tags & find all images of a red ball. 

     

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  19. I use numbers as tags to order notes - 1, 2, 3, etc.

    And, although I haven't yet tried, decimals might help to insert new notes rather than re-tagging everything!

    The following is discussing notebook names but applies to titles, tags, stacks, etc.

    Anticipating the number of documents amassed in some projects can be tricky and I'd rather not have to create unnecessary placeholders in anticipation (for example, 00001) (that's a lot of keyboarding just to be safe).

    If you think you will have less than 100 notebooks, use numbers 001 through 999 followed by the title.

    You can have 250 notebooks. And if you used numbers incremented by 1, that would be 001-250. Using 001 - 999 would be 999 notebooks.A better alternative, if you were to use this method, would be to use say, 00100, 00200, 00300, 00400, etc. as the prefix. That way, you can add notebooks in between 00100 & 00200 by using 00120 or 00150 without having to renumber all the subsequent notebooks.
    I use this method often, for one particular hobbyist project I have., where I want to force the files to sort in the order I want them.

  20. This is short sighted.   I can boot ANY windows PC when the owner is away to lunch with a Boot DVD like Hiren, Ultimate BootCD, and many more, get past the login password for windows TRIVIALLY, and then I would have access to ALL the notes on that person's EverNote account.   I find this unacceptable and just plain amateur.   It's no different from saying that you should not need a login for your Banking app, since "If locking the device doesn't protect the contents,  another password won't help."    Um, Sorry.  Plain WRONG.

     

    I was seriously considering buying EverNote to use at my company for HR notes, Payroll notes, Confidential project notes, etc.   All serious information that needs to be protected just like banking info.

    Are the people in control of EverNote really this naive?

     

    I guess I will have to keep looking for a similar product that takes the security of user data seriously.

     

    Neal

    It's not only about logging into the OS, anyone with a basic IT skill set (and a screwdriver) can access a hard drive. But again, Evernote leaves the security up to the computer owner. One can elect to place one's EN database in an encrypted container...or not. As has been mentioned security has already been discussed at great length on the message board. Please search the board on the topic, if you are so inclined. Good luck with finding an app that suits your needs.

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