CalS

1 hour ago, PinkElephant said:

This will not surprise you, but Spotlight does (from my experience) a much better job than Windows indexing. It integrates more sources, and does it in a more clever way.

Then there are tools for the Mac that integrate Spotlight nicely. Alfred does, and (trara !) Devonthink does it as well. ENs local database is not indexed, however.

What‘s nice for me: My NAS is indexing everything on that device. I can make Spotlight integrate even this source - which means Spotlight doesn’t not only search my Mac, it does search my file server as well.

Finally it‘s a calculator: cmd-Space opens Spotlight, when now I type 3*4 (or any other expression), I get 12 (or any other result), and the build in calculator app opens automatically.

Not thinking about switching, Cal ?

This dog is too old to change at this point!  As I said similar.  I limit indexing on my PC to my repository locations. 

And as stated before, I am somewhat amazed at the speed of indexing and search with Windows.  For example, I have mail opened on left screen, Directory Opus (my repository gateway) opened on the right. 

1. I get an Amazon receipt and I have a hotkey which cleans up body and title and saves the email as a PDF to the repository.  I add LeftMsg as a "tag" to the end of the file name. 
2. The hotkey stops at the save button.
3. After I click save I go directly to DOpus and click on the saved search for LeftMsg. 
4. The new file is in the search.  Zero lag.
5. Same for file contents.

Sorry, way off topic.  But always like to share some sweet mysteries of technology bits.  🤣

2 hours ago, Feitz said:

OK, thank you. I'm on a Mac and if I leave Evernote I would be looking for a solution that takes advantage of native OS and finder functionality like tags, Spotlight and icloud integration. 

I only began actively evaluating alternatives when Evernote started with their nag screens and an impending cut-off for Legacy users. 

I guess Windows indexing is similar to Spotlight re searching computer contents. Similar.  Existing tags in EN survive the export for search.

A few changes since the link above, but the big one was a shift from BoxCryptor to using MEGA.  If you don‘t know MEGA is cloud storage with E2E encryption.  Enables sync across devices and a form of backup. And a place for my “local notebooks”.

Rolling your own isn't for everyone.  Good luck in your search. 

21 minutes ago, mackid1993 said:

I just installed Legacy and from my perspective it felt extremely dated. Tasks are a huge part of my workflow and that being absent made me uninstall pretty quickly. I'm perfectly content with V10 and the consistent experience across all platforms.

Glad you are content. 

But I left EN about 2 years ago now.  The loss of local notebooks, the punishing that tag usage took, the extra clicks and wasted real estate, the UI and processing speed slow downs all led me to believe that V10 was not for me.  After 12+ years and 60 some thousand notes including archived. 

The one thing that has improved for the these items in the last two years is speed.  But even now there is a slight beat before display.  Can't get rid of that with browser emulation.  But hey, that's my use case and idiosyncrasies not yours.

You could start with reading this thread and branch out to a couple other "why is this not in V10" type threads. 

V10 just doesn't fit all use cases that were once run on Legacy.  Good for some, not so much for others.  In any case, I don't think there's a TLDR for all the issues.  🤷‍♂️

@eric99 Yes it can, as long as you use Windows Indexing.

I created a folder called My Paperless when I left EN.  It contains Evernote and Post EN.  Evernote contains my EN structure, 2 stacks and 4 folders, 2 per stack.  The one exception was I exported to HTML by year so I have year folders under the 4 folders.  Post EN has 6 folders.

I have Windows Indexing enabled for My Paperless.  WI indexes pretty much everything but the contents of images.  I have 320k items in the index (EN HTML export creates a file for every icon or attachment and puts them in a folder so 56k notes expands a bit) and pretty much instantaneous response time.  Which frankly surprised me a bit in early days.

For my use case Directory Opus is a great gateway to this repository.  File Explorer would work but DO has so many productivity enabling features.  Per the above post - similar layout to EN, saved searches, saved views, mass rename, mass date change.  Stuff you can use in general.

Final point, I use MEGA (end to end encryption) as a cloud service for My Paperless.  The data is available in a browser, my backup PC and IOS.  Can't search file contents in the browser or IOS, only titles, but that is okay for my use case.

To be clear, I did not want to leave EN.  Legacy was my hub.  But it was apparent that V10 was not going to work for me so I rolled my own.  Not for everyone  🤷‍♂️

@idoc  Not sure you want to add another product, but... 

When I left EN I purchased Directory Opus, a File Explorer on steroids plus piece of software.  I use it as a gateway to the repository I created from my EN notes.  It even kind of looks like EN with a folder and saved search left panel, a file list middle panel, and a display right panel.

I exported 58k notes to HTML.  I've added another 6k files since then.  Searches in DO can return files and folders.  You can segregate or hide types as you see fit.  You can create saved searches as well.  Depending upon the content of your faxes you may be able to create a search to do the job.  Assuming you index the folders containing these files searches are pretty much as you type.

Or this could be a worse change for your processes.   🤷‍♂️

Seriously blocking a bit dramatic?  Seems BS can force the issue whenever they want, by drawing a line in the sand.

15 minutes ago, Jon/t said:

Its been a while since I've used legacy and can't remember if you need to be logged in to use it for local only notebooks?

You have to stay logged in.  When you access Legacy if you are logged out it forces a sign in.  Obviously if no internet that is problematic.  So a key habit is to Exit or x out of legacy..  Never sign out.

That's how it was anyway, don't know why that would have changed..  Easy enough for someone to test. 

7 hours ago, PinkElephant said:

So everything added after day X will get no server side processing.

You don't need server side processing if you treat legacy as a stand alone app.  There are firewall rules that can be installed to prevent EN from talking to the Internet.  Did that back in the day when massive updates were better performed disconnected.

7 hours ago, PinkElephant said:

What will not work is indexing, OCR and the like.

Not so.  Best I can recall legacy indexed locally, which is what made it so fast.  Which made it usable in no Internet zones.  And I had enough trouble tickets with EN's server OCR not being as accurate as local OCR to know that works (ScanSnap or OCR after the fact).  No image OCR for sure.

7 hours ago, PinkElephant said:

Which makes it a pretty stupid file storage.

Wow.

To be clear, I'm not saying this is a good solution by any stretch.  If someone wants to keep their stuff around for a bit to enable their transition I think it is viable.  Not really a forever solution.  It can only last as long as your PC.

Legacy worked fine offline back in the day.  Key was you could not log out before going offline.  So unless BS drops a bomb into existing legacy users or somehow local legacy data gets hosed via the new sync, I would hazard a guess EN legacy would work locally.  And you don't want to be using on demand sync.

For sure you could air gap a machine with legacy on it and it would work today.  Which means it would work in the future.  Not saying it's anywhere near optimal, but it could be a safe place to keep one's data pending a transition to something.

That was my disaster plan back in 2020 but as I've moved on, not needed.  The rare times I want to take a look at an old note I use the web.  🤷‍♂️

I think, not sure, that as long as you don't log out of EN legacy you can still use it on your desktop.  It will stop syncing at some point which kind of defeats the purpose.  

Twice in the 21 months I've been off EN I have wanted to do something with an old note.  In both cases I opened up legacy and copy/pasted the bits I wanted. 

I guess in my use case old notes are basically archive.  A few were transitioned early days..  For example any of the tables I used for logs in EN morphed to a Google Sheet.  🤷‍♂️

They are old notes so they don't get edited.  There for research.  And probably half of my notes on EN legacy were PDFs.

Workflowy for notes and tasks.  Rolled my own repository using Windows folders and Windows indexing for my paperless stuff, with MEGA as the sync engine.  Directory Opus as the gateway to the repository (file explorer on steroids).   Put all my 56k EN notes in the repository in HTML form.  I am amazed at the speed of Windows search (27 GB repository).  Fast or maybe faster than legacy EN for me.  It is a solution cobbled to my needs, not for everyone.  FWIW..

You might as well ask if @EvernoteEmployees are still beating their dogs. 

You have to ask those questions of your own use case.  Which it would appear the answer is yes based upon your post,  Them saying it is so won't make it so.  Time to move on.  I did.

I don't know, anyone who decides to jettison EN because V10 fails their use case really isn't being unreasonable. 

OTOH, not moving on, continuing to carp on Legacy, and expecting that the carping will get a fix - that's unreasonable. 

Said it before,  but still kind of weird at this point in time that the line in the sand has not been drawn.

I might add a fourth reason, not a gripe.  The uncertainty brought about by the acquisition.

Download EverNote 6.25.1.9091 for Windows - Filehippo.com

1 hour ago, idoc said:

For those that are dropping their subscriptions I can only assume that they are less reliant on EN than I am or much more sensitive to price.  

For clarity.  Price was inconsequential when I left but I was fully reliant on EN on a daily basis.  My reasons were speed and and the loss of local notebooks.  I created over 60k notes in my 12+ years with EN.  I streamlined my processes with EN legacy.  All of which did not work so well for me with V10.  It was not an easy decision to leave but was right for me and my use case.  🤷‍♂️

@MvdH Yes, use case does make a difference.  My take in mid 2021 was that it would take a while for EN to fix the speed issues, both processing and UI (Just more clicks everywhere and less usable screen real estate).  Plus I didn't think local notebooks were coming back.  So I opted out then, completed conversion in December 2021.  Have added 6,000 notes via the new process since.  That was pre BS and staff reductions and price increases.. 

I have legacy still installed and use it maybe once a month to check something.  I keep coming back to the forums to monitor progress.  I open browser V10 from time to time for reality.  Speed has improved quite a bit from 2021.  But it still lags for a ninja. 

I guess point of it all is it is getting to the point in time where folks are going to have to opt into V10 or find an alternative.  And use case will definitely drive that.  V10 may be fine if you don't need ninja speed in your use case.  🤷‍♂️

19 hours ago, vincentmenniti said:

Can you confirm if Evernote Legacy will be fully phased out? I need to be ready and prepare for migrating to a different note solution if so.

it is threatened.  Could be when the number of Legacy users drops below a certain level, could be something else.  If BS provides a date it might be considered a phase out.  If not a boom and gone.  So I would start getting ready.  

4 minutes ago, gazumped said:

statements like  "it's not possible to download more than 100 notes",  and "Evernote doesn't publish a support address" really need to be corrected because they're wrong.

Agree 100% that flat out errors should be corrected. And whining about missing features from Legacy is a waste of pixels at this point.

It's that opinion slippery slope - slow, buggy of late. whatever - that is conditional to the user that could benefit a bit of tolerance or ignoring.  Though why vent here without specifics and a request for help is still a mystery to me.

5 hours ago, AlbertR said:

That's the point: Even some seconds attracts you to think about other things to do. You will pop up other windows and forget what you have been waiting for. Later on you feel bad because it takes too much time to switch back to where you have been. At the end EN does not help to stay focused (even more: it disturbs your concentration 😞)

I got used to instantaneous search results with Legacy.  Unfortunately for V10 that set the bar for me.  So if I search an indexed data base and get a spinning wheel or a progress bar I lose patience.  And focus I am afraid.  Seems a smallish thing, seconds, but enough to have me move on. 

Kind of like the end of first King Kong movie.  Oh no, it wasn't the seconds.  It was focus killed the beast.  Apologies all around.