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To be precise, after the first search, resetting the search let to a situation where I could not even select tags or terms in the dropdown menu. They were no longer accessible! It had nothing to do with the notebook. The search became simply non-operative. Works fine in V.10.58. So they really messed up V.10.59. Lousy testing.

So I tried V.10.59 and it turned out to be an absolute DISASTER. It was impossible to use. After EVERY search, it was impossible to launch a new search. Resetting the search options and entering new criteria always returned the results from the previous search. The I typically got the message "Rights to [notebook] lost" or some so. Had to RESTART Evernote for every new search. Unbearable. So I re-installed V.10.58, which works fairly well, but Evernote insisted on installing the 10.59 update immediately! 😡😡😡 I had to remove all rights from the update directory so Evernotes could not install and launch the update files and I can continue to work with 10.58. How in the world could such CATASTROPHIC bugs slip into an official release version? And why does Evernote not support the option of PREVENTING an update?

The only source of malinformation here is you, once again. Maybe you just refrain from replying, as you never said anything even remotely useful. You intentionally confuse the "local database" used for synching data and the stand-alone local database that supported the use of Evernote while offline! You know PERFECTLY that I was referring to the offline use of Evernote V10. The option of keeping all the data locally was only added in a specific version, it was NOT in the first release!

Before they re-introduced support for a local copy of the data, I would never even have considered working with V10. I find it extremely regrettable that they abandoned local-only notebooks. So many design decisions don't make any sense at all...

The thread has grown really long, didn't manage to keep up with everything, but yes, I already noticed some issues... The relocation of the database was really essential and 10.59 is now the default download. They do have serious quality management issues...

Do you represent Evernote? If not, then why are you writing all these ridiculously stupid comments that only alienate the users? "1) You completely misunderstand the word "design". It is not the nice chichi of the GUI, it is the technical design about that I reflected." I most definitely do understand the term "design", YOU are the person is apparently unable to read written text! I said: The DESIGN is not the issue - it's the functionality! You do understand the difference between "design" and "functionality", right? I don't care how they designed the application, as long as it provides the functionality I need and that includes the absence of serious bugs and the response time. Waiting several seconds or even minutes to access a single image is not acceptable. Failing to return data entirely is a catastrophic failure. I just installed V10.59, which finally allowed me to re-locate the database. But oh horror, it has serious bugs which force me to re-start the application after every search! WTF is wrong with those developers? How can they release such buggy code? That was never the case with any version up to and including V6, which had clearly a superior design! The absolute MINIMUM Evernote should have done is to address all the serious issues and THE most important one, from the first release of V10, was access to text and image data. When the access to the data is not working, then there's no point in using the application. That was NEVER a problem with V6 or any version before that. You call it "Legacy", I call it EVERNOTE as it was supposed to work!

I just realized that the "Check for Updates" function is inaccurate, as it did not find the 10.59 version. It told me that I'm "up to date". Now I find that V10.59 adds a fundamental option which should have been a basic feature from day 1: the ability to move EverNote data to a specific directory. I always hated having it on the Windows System drive. Why use up 50 to 100GB of system drive space for what is actually data? Data should always reside on a different drive, so the OS & the applications can be backed up separately from the user data. This is the kind of issue that always made me wonder how those who design software actually work on their own systems? Don't they have multiple drives? Don't they keep data and applications apart? All those simple best-practice features that should be absolute no-brainers.

PinkElephant Your comment is completely tone-deaf! "v10 is a new app design, in it’s own right" The DESIGN is not the issue - it's the functionality! EverNote supported a specific range of functions that got users to pay for their product and service and store gigantic archives of information in the EverNote database - in my case, being a very early adopter, more than 26'000 notes. The very least the existing customer base could expect is that EVERY update gives them full access to their data with the same comfort and speed as the previous versions. Improvements would obviously have been welcome, but changes that imply the loss of information or access to information were a complete no-go for EverNote. "If it supports your use cases, fine. If not, go watching for a better alternative" This was already established in what EverNote supported. It's as if you said that a phone manufacturer could just cut out the ability to make phone calls, in a system software update and pretend tell their clients "If you need to make phone calls in the future, find a different phone". "And stop the nostalgia, it’s childish" The only childish thing here is your ridiculous comment! "Nostalgia"? Wanting AT LEAST the same speed to access my data as before has nothing to do with "nostalgia". We have EVIDENCE that it is possible to access all our information really fast, in V6, so why is V10 substantially much slower? Wanting to access ALL my images (tens of thousands of them) without any problem, as in V6, with a simple "Ctrl-C" or "Copy" function, is not "nostalgia. In V10 I have to OPEN the image in an external application (double-click the image), a process that often fails entirely or imposes a huge delay (can be 30 seconds to a minute). It doesn't work at all for images within what V10 sees as HTML code, so I have to change the formatting to "not HTML" and then, maybe, I can open the image. There are obvious resource management / garbage collection issues, as every so often, I have to shut down and re-start EN or it simply won't open images at all. The process typically involves double-clicking an image (even one I opened recently), not getting ANY feedback, then finally giving up, shutting down & restarting EN & finding that the image loads immediately in the external app, from where I can access it. Why can't I access it as I used to under V6? Why is it now such a problem when before it was INSTANTANEOUS? "The world keeps spinning, and if EN would have remained on legacy, the world would already be spinning without an EN company" That's a ridiculous claim: you are saying that EN would not have the existing user base if it had NOT made the application so much worse? There's not a single function from V10 that I missed in Legacy to the point where I would have wanted to change. Everything that I actually needed was working extremely well. No, I cannot find an alternative - there is no alternative and the work of moving 26'000+ notes to another platform, if one existed, would be horrendous, probably introducing errors to the data, badly re-formatting the data etc.

I signaled this issue practically the moment v10 was released. It should have been one of the most basic features, as it was in v6. I simply cannot imagine how anyone could have missed the importance of being able to access and extract images from EN. Do the engineers even use it themselves? EN is, among others, a fabulous tool for storing diagrams that I often use in projects. That's one of many use cases where I have to be able to instantly extract image information. It was just perfect when I could simply click the image, then do a Ctrl-C. Ever since I realized that this doesn't work, in v10, I've been incredulous as to why and how that standard function got sidelined...

"If you're having trouble with v10 please tell us here" "And none of it is especially relevant to this thread" THIS IS NOT HELPFUL 😡 "may lack features such as those you list" I TRIED to use v10 the moment it was released. I could not access the images in my already gigantic EN database. Even the double-click on images worked, back then. That meant that IT WAS USELESS, TO ME! I immediately took the time to describe the problem in detail via the support channel. I reported the same issue multiple times over the years. NO ONE SEEMS TO THINK THAT IT IS IMPORTANT 💀 It is THE single most important issue to me and I'm pretty sure that my use case is fairly standard. I don't know why anyone would use EN to store images if it was not to retrieve them later. NO ONE explained to me why it was so complicated to provide a function that was STANDARD, in all the previous versions. It should have been part of the essential feature list while v10 was being designed. Given that it is technically super easy to implement and super important, I just can't help but think that there's some specific reason why it was not implemented. The way you downplay my report on what really stops v10 from being useful is not encouraging. I'm pretty sure that there are lots of people with the same issue who just gave up. I reported the same problem over and over. How about you listen to someone who is a heavy user since v1 and who is an IT engineer? Get me in touch with one of your IT guys. See if they can tell me how this is a problem and if maybe I can help them solve it?

I was an early EN adopter and now have more than 26'000 notes. It's an essential resource, to me. There's no way I can transfer all of that information with the gigantic and well structured tag tree to another system. So I'm kind of stuck. I've tried to use EN v10 for years. Knowing that sooner or later you'll impose it, I tried really hard to get used to it. Although it is much slower than the legacy version (even on a very fast machine!), I'll give you credit for some improvements, especially regarding the search functions. There are still some major issues that you clearly did not address, although the worst ones should be fairly easy to fix. Note that some of these mean that I am forced to use the legacy version or I'll lose data! IMAGE HANDLING One of the most important uses of EN is to store references, including text and image material so I can use them in my work. I constantly need to copy images from my notes. In the Legacy version, that was super easy: just select the image and press "Ctrl-C" or mouse-click and menu function "Copy" would copy the image into the clipboard. That never worked, in v10. I found that I can double-click images and that may or may not open the assigned image viewer, from where I can copy the image. Problem: The double-click often takes a very long time before the image is finally extracted. It doesn't work at all with lots of images stored in the Legacy version. I have to go back to the legacy version, copy the image, pass it through an image viewer (typically Irfanview), then re-paste it into v10. Without legacy version, those images are essentially lost - I'd have to make a screen copy, which obviously won't work for very large high quality images, even on a 4K screen. Even images stored in v10 sometimes are no longer accessible. That's really bizarre - if EN v10 can display the image, it should be able to extract it. Another real nuisance - content that is marked as HTML doesn't allow extracting images at all. Why? The entire reason to copy articles from the Internet is to have statistics, tables and images available for use! Is that some silly "copyright protection"? I have to remove the HTML formatting and then, maybe, I can access the content. Remove the ridiculous limitation on HTML content; if there's an image, just handle it like any other image! Most of the time, I still have to go back to Legacy to extract the info. QUESTION: As IT engineer, having written major applications over the last 4 decades, I don't see the problem you seem to have with image resources at all. if you can display an image, you have access to it that means that you can copy it to the clipboard; that's a given so why do you refuse to provide the "Copy to Clipboard" option? It should take any qualified programmer at most 2-3 hours to add that function. I know it would take me much less than that in any of my applications. If there's some management decision behind not providing that function, I'd very much like to hear it. If this is intentional, it is the worst decision, ever. It cripples EN. Compatibility you should provide a function that can step through all the notes and re-format content that might not work anymore in v10 Added features you generally need some programmable function that can be applied to all or a selection of notes, e.g. to replace text, change text attributes or perform more sophisticated operations (AWK style, for those who remember) I have collections of images that I need to extract for use in documents that always have to be a specific size; right now, I have to step through the entire collection, image by image, resize the image and paste it back in; it should be possible to automate that process These functions should work locally and the result should be verifiable before it is uploaded, i.e. there should be an undo. None of the above seem complicated.

Thank you for your comment. I didn't wait for hours - I logged out of Evernote v10, asking it to delete the database, then logged back in and had it re-download everything, which was actually quite fast. It now doesn't have the delays it had before on loading notes it had not recently accessed, so it actually works better. I suspect that it had trouble adjusting the data from previous versions. They should probably have told their users to do this with the upgrade - or should just have done it automatically - but probably feared negative comments if the update took too long, but it might have saved them a lot of grief. Incidentally, Windows doesn't crash that often - it has become a lot more stable, compared to earlier versions. I have boosted machine with 36 cores and 64GB of RAM, but some applications that are extremely CPU and RAM hungry seem to enter into resource conflicts that can result in a crash when I switch between them after I wake the system up from standby.

I just had a windows crash. After the reboot, I found that I can't find anything in Evernote v10 by Topic. I have more than 26'000 notes. I can find them just fine in the Legacy version. Is there a repair function for the files? And shouldn't Evernote ensure that its files are crash-safe?

Why does no one ever want to answer my question: WHY DID YOU REMOVE THE "COPY IMAGE" FUNCTION from V10? It's the same on all the platforms - you do not allow the copy of images stored in Evernote. A basic, fundamental and absolutely essential function! As in V6, I want to be able to click on any image either CTRL-C or Menu/Copy to move that image to the system buffer. How hard can it be? You clearly do not support that anymore and that was a conscious, voluntary decision. The function did not just "get lost". And you refuse to reply to questions about it. For months now. Please finally come clean and explain WHY you changed this! At least that way we'll know and we can start looking for alternatives.

Hi Rich Tener, I agree entirely with EdH: DO NOT PLACE COOKIES ANYWHERE! I pay to use EverNote software and data storage, I do not want ANYONE to have ANY idea what data I store, what I do with it, what web pages I store or access etc. Make any such cookies optional and configurable. Facebook, Google, Twitter are evil. When I say "evil", that's mild. They are run by psychopaths. All big tech corporations are. We've seen what kind of ideology and what interests they represent, how they censor content, how they support criminals, how they interfere in elections and in the free distribution of medical information. Blocking 3 of the most significant virologists on the planet and their Great Barrington declaration is a Soviet level of censorship. Totally unacceptable! Don't ever allow any of those companies to have access to my data or my web use etc. And please reply to my question about why V10 does not allow us to copy pictures as we can in V6. That's THE most important function that I use all the time. Without the ability to use EverNote as database for images, it loses 90% of its functionality. I'd love to hear an explaination for the decision to deactivate the Copy function. There must be a reason and I don't think I'll like it, but I really want to know!