Grümpf 5 Posted January 26, 2014 Share Posted January 26, 2014 Hi, Evernote has recently been updated to remove paragraph formatting styles. I was using this feature a lot and it made my notes visually meaningful very quickly. It was rather inconsistent between platforms, I agree, but still, at least it was practical. Now, to accomplish the same thing, I need to select the text I want formatted, select a font, select a size, select a style (italicized, bold or underlined) and hope I'll remember it on the next heading. I hate that! It slows me down and takes me away from writing the note to formatting it. So I've turned to the next best thing: markdown. Markdown is actually very good in helping format my thoughts while I'm writing them, which is the whole point. Now the problem is, Evernote doesn't render markdown, so I need to take my note to a third party app to convert it, and then paste it where I need to use it (like back in Evernote!). Very dumb process. I think I'm not the only one missing paragraph formatting styles and/or markdown support, here. I saw other threads talking about alternative (and sometimes complicated) work-around to this issue. I just don't see why this could be so hard to integrate. Thanks for listening.François Link to comment
Level 5* gazumped 9,811 Posted January 26, 2014 Level 5* Share Posted January 26, 2014 I believe Evernote is currently looking at improving the note editor - no idea what the next version might include, but hopefully there will be better formatting. At some stage... Link to comment
Level 5* jefito 5,586 Posted January 26, 2014 Level 5* Share Posted January 26, 2014 Which Evernote client are you referring to? The Windows client has never had formatting styles, at least since at least version 3.5 and beyond. Link to comment
Grümpf 5 Posted January 28, 2014 Author Share Posted January 28, 2014 The Windows Evernote client used to have it, and so did the iOS client. I don't remember which version at was at however but I remember I was shocked by that change. Link to comment
Level 5* GrumpyMonkey 4,314 Posted January 28, 2014 Level 5* Share Posted January 28, 2014 The Windows Evernote client used to have it, and so did the iOS client. I don't remember which version at was at however but I remember I was shocked by that change.I think we lost paragraph styles on iOS with the iOS 7 version back in October of 2013. I usually work in plain text using markdown. If I need something formatted, I run it through another app, generate the html, and copy/paste that into Evernote. It is definitely not ideal, but it saves me the headaches I get with formatting quirks/bugs. Link to comment
Level 5* jefito 5,586 Posted January 28, 2014 Level 5* Share Posted January 28, 2014 The Windows Evernote client used to have it, and so did the iOS client. I don't remember which version at was at however but I remember I was shocked by that change.I don't recall any Windows Evernote client since (and including) the version 3.5 having any such facility (maybe even v3, for that matter). Before that, it was a different world (and program) altogether. Link to comment
Level 5* GrumpyMonkey 4,314 Posted January 28, 2014 Level 5* Share Posted January 28, 2014 The Windows Evernote client used to have it, and so did the iOS client. I don't remember which version at was at however but I remember I was shocked by that change.I don't recall any Windows Evernote client since (and including) the version 3.5 having any such facility (maybe even v3, for that matter). Before that, it was a different world (and program) altogether. I can't remember seeing it anywhere but iOS, ether, but I could be wrong, as I spend most of my time with Mac. Link to comment
Level 5 Martin Packer 162 Posted January 28, 2014 Level 5 Share Posted January 28, 2014 @GrumpyMonkey Tell me more about pasting HTML into Evernote: In which client can you do that? I know enscript on Windows will take HTML (though it's been a long time). As it happens my GreaseMonkey prototype lets me flirt with replacing the note's HTML in the Web Editor. (And when it does it the resulting note is cleaned up by Evernote to remove attributes and elements that aren't supported.) Link to comment
Level 5* jefito 5,586 Posted January 28, 2014 Level 5* Share Posted January 28, 2014 As it happens my GreaseMonkey prototype lets me flirt with replacing the note's HTML in the Web Editor. (And when it does it the resulting note is cleaned up by Evernote to remove attributes and elements that aren't supported.)You are such a tease, Martin. Link to comment
Level 5* GrumpyMonkey 4,314 Posted January 28, 2014 Level 5* Share Posted January 28, 2014 @GrumpyMonkey Tell me more about pasting HTML into Evernote: In which client can you do that? I know enscript on Windows will take HTML (though it's been a long time). As it happens my GreaseMonkey prototype lets me flirt with replacing the note's HTML in the Web Editor. (And when it does it the resulting note is cleaned up by Evernote to remove attributes and elements that aren't supported.) Copy/paste on the Mac. More specifically, open a note in an app called nvALT (I have my account mirrored here), open the preview window showing the html version, copy, and then paste. One could open the source code and copy / paste that into an enex file, but I haven't found that to be necessary. I haven't got terribly complex formatting (it is markdown, after all). However, for complex pages, copy/paste often fails in spectacularly ugly ways. A nice workaround is to put the page online and use the web clipper to get it into Evernote. That is what I do with my shared notebook (see the link in my signature). Link to comment
Level 5 Martin Packer 162 Posted January 29, 2014 Level 5 Share Posted January 29, 2014 Thanks @GrumpyMonkey! I have Mac but might not have the data on the Mac, but rather on my work Linux PC. Hence my concentration on the Web Client. I'm actually not sure one should encourage arbitrary HTML injection into the Web Editor - but it's been interesting to see the (benign) behaviour when you do. Link to comment
Level 5* GrumpyMonkey 4,314 Posted January 29, 2014 Level 5* Share Posted January 29, 2014 Thanks @GrumpyMonkey! I have Mac but might not have the data on the Mac, but rather on my work Linux PC. Hence my concentration on the Web Client. I'm actually not sure one should encourage arbitrary HTML injection into the Web Editor - but it's been interesting to see the (benign) behaviour when you do. Relatively benign... it turns out that I have somehow managed to mess up margins on a bunch of notes. I think it was when I copied from Word or Pages into the app, though. Link to comment
Grümpf 5 Posted February 2, 2014 Author Share Posted February 2, 2014 Thanks for the nice posts guys, but the topic is getting lost a bit, here. What I would like to see is simple paragraph formatting of notes in Evernote's editor. It just so happens that markdown is designed for that exact purpose, which would make it a sensible choice in implementing a quick way of doing it (I also use it already in my notes). However, my point was not to redevelop the whole thing as the functionalities were there and have been removed. That was, to me, a bad idea and I simply wish them back! Thanks for listening!François Link to comment
coldsnailnet 1 Posted February 10, 2014 Share Posted February 10, 2014 However, my point was not to redevelop the whole thing as the functionalities were there and have been removed. That was, to me, a bad idea and I simply wish them back! Thanks for listening!FrançoisI'm with Francois on this, i've been using iOS and the latest version of Evernote for it up until last week when I thought that I would finally upgrade, and then i discover that those quick styles have now gone ('Subsection' was great for making a quick easy-to-spot heading). Not only that - the indent buttons no longer work when you are not in a list! You used to be able to indent text (instead of having to insert a number of spaces) but now you can't!Why is this gone? It doesn't make sense! James Link to comment
Level 5* GrumpyMonkey 4,314 Posted February 10, 2014 Level 5* Share Posted February 10, 2014 However, my point was not to redevelop the whole thing as the functionalities were there and have been removed. That was, to me, a bad idea and I simply wish them back! Thanks for listening!FrançoisI'm with Francois on this, i've been using iOS and the latest version of Evernote for it up until last week when I thought that I would finally upgrade, and then i discover that those quick styles have now gone ('Subsection' was great for making a quick easy-to-spot heading). Not only that - the indent buttons no longer work when you are not in a list! You used to be able to indent text (instead of having to insert a number of spaces) but now you can't!Why is this gone? It doesn't make sense! JamesIndeed. The indent feature has been lost. I don't know why. The paragraphs and stuff weren't in any other client, so their disappearance doesn't surprise me. Link to comment
Level 5 Martin Packer 162 Posted February 10, 2014 Level 5 Share Posted February 10, 2014 Maybe an aside, maybe not: Evernote seems to do formatting with fonts and divs, rather than h1, h2, p, etc. It does, at least, use li within ul and ol lists. A strange use of HTML in the datastream that, IMHO, limits its ability to do structure and outlining. It IS accepting of p and h1, h2 etc as experiments have shown - but doesn't emit it. Link to comment
markg 26 Posted February 15, 2014 Share Posted February 15, 2014 If it's of interest I've just posted an article on 3 ways to use Markdown with Evernote and a YouTube video. Hope it's helpful. Link to comment
Level 5 Martin Packer 162 Posted February 15, 2014 Level 5 Share Posted February 15, 2014 @markg Nice site. Link to comment
Paul Vincent 2 Posted April 10, 2014 Share Posted April 10, 2014 Have to agree. EN would be so much more useful with Styles. Hard to see why this wasn't taken care of a long time ago. Link to comment
lucasoldaini 5 Posted April 27, 2014 Share Posted April 27, 2014 Markdown would be the best feature evernote could ever add. Link to comment
abberdab 7 Posted May 30, 2014 Share Posted May 30, 2014 Yes! Markdown support and custom stylesheets please. Stylesheets could be ignored, of course, as needed in various platforms, but I want my notes to be simple semantic HTML under the hood. h1, h2, p, ul, ol, etc. Even formatting as stripped down as what you see in Quip or similar would be welcome. Link to comment
Miguel Regedor 1 Posted October 11, 2014 Share Posted October 11, 2014 For previewing notes written in markdown (sort of real time), you can check this post: Evermark Note: currently working for mac osx, but should be possible to port for windows. Link to comment
mhelephant 10 Posted July 3, 2015 Share Posted July 3, 2015 I guess I must send a comment on this issue about once every year. Here we go again. Evernote, WHEN will you add text/paragraph styles to the app? It's so tedious to have to hand-enter text parameters, especially for common formats like subheads. Markdown support would be one way to do it. Why not go that route, Markdown is so popular now? I appreciate that HTML isn't very kind towards people who love to format things cleanly. But other apps' writers master it. I expect an app of the quality of Evernote - and with so many users - to master it too. Come on. Link to comment
Olaf Giermann 0 Posted April 23, 2016 Share Posted April 23, 2016 On 3. Juli 2015 at 3:33 PM, mhelephant said: I guess I must send a comment on this issue about once every year. Here we go again. Evernote, WHEN will you add text/paragraph styles to the app? It's so tedious to have to hand-enter text parameters, especially for common formats like subheads. Markdown support would be one way to do it. Why not go that route, Markdown is so popular now? I appreciate that HTML isn't very kind towards people who love to format things cleanly. But other apps' writers master it. I expect an app of the quality of Evernote - and with so many users - to master it too. Come on. +1 Having no styles and no markdowns is a workflow bummer! Link to comment
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