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46 minutes ago, PinkElephant said:
Since many import tools rely on the current structure, and would be messed up with additional information, I doubt the ENEX format will be expanded to accommodate the notebook information.
Not necessarily, as I already mentioned before, ENEX is an XML format, the 'X' meaning eXtensible Markup Language. This format has been designed specifically to be able to extend it without breaking older versions. If a new xml-tag isn't recognized by older software, it will just be ignored. So in this case, a new XML-tag for notebooks could be added without any problems with downwards compatibility.
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1 hour ago, Boot17 said:
I just updated a note on my iPhone, hit the green checkbox and stayed with the note open and did no other action on my iPhone. Within 2 seconds that change was synced to the server as seen from that updated data appearing in Evernote Web. (I did click to a different note in the Web version and back to the note that was updated one time and saw the updated data.) A subsequent test took 10 seconds (again with no other action besides clicking the green check mark.)
I did the following test on my android phone: I just updated the note and stayed with the note open in editing mode, I didn't hit the checkbox, and did no other action on my phone. Within e few seconds the change was synced to the server as seen from that updated data appearing in Evernote Web.
So, there is some background syncing, even while editing. The problem is that you can't know for sure that it has been completely synced as long as you stay in the note.
The only explicit indicator is the green sync-in-progress marker. Problem with this marker is that it sometimes erroneously stays on after a complete sync (race condition bug).
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1 hour ago, gazumped said:
Sorry - didn't realise it was a downgrade. Have you raised it with Support*? I tend not to export anything other than individual files or bulk ENEX. I'm happy to use the Evernote apps to search, edit and view files, and I'd be worried about multiple versions of notes being created if there was a permanent external copy, plus a lot of alternative apps claim to import ENEX if there's ever a need to jump ship...
*again recently...
Yes, I raised many tickets and got always the same answer: "...I can assure you we're working diligently to fix it as quickly as possible..." 😕
Ticket# 3498658 - Re: Ticket# 3394987 - Re: Ticket# 3340943 - ticket 3309909
ENEX format is not as complete as you think: it looses the note-id, and therefore internal note links are broken! Yes, legacy windows html export looses the note-id as well, but it doesn't need that ID to create a link to the other note, it uses a standard relative URL to the other note. You can test it yourself, you can navigate between notes. All the app links between notes are intact without the need for a note-id! So, this URL is an internal URL pointing to another note in the HTML export folder. (Please be aware that this has been implemented properly only in the legacy windows client, not the mac)
In that sense, HTML is a more complete and consistent export format than ENEX.
Properly working HTML export is the most important feature that may keep me loyal to EN because my data is safe and accessible for the next 100 years since it is stored in the standard Web format. If EN goes bust, no need for note apps or exotic viewers, just a browser.
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1 hour ago, gazumped said:
It's not a bug. You are the one choosing where to put your HTML output, which could be on a local drive or somewhere in the cloud. The files are saved in folders, and while the name of the folder is something assigned by Evernote, its location address is somewhere you chose at random. Don't know of any clever ways to design an all-purpose link code, but I'd imagine it's difficult, otherwise it would have been done by now.
Fixing this is like banging your head into a wall. It hurts, and the way to fix it is to stop banging, not try to get someone to design softer brick walls...
It is definitely a bug that can easily be solved by specifying a relative path to the attachement, not an absolute path as it is now. The legacy windows html export uses relative links, that is the reason that navigation to attachments and notes works perfectly and that you can move the html file(s) together with their attachments to any location in your filesystem.
You may test this yourself with the legacy windows html export: it behaves like your own private web in which you can navigate to other notes or attachments as you like. It's a shame that we lost this in V10 because html is the only human readable archive we can generate in EN.
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1 hour ago, gazumped said:
Same sort of reason applies, though I would expect the linked PDF file to be in a separate folder from the note HTML. Whether the export is smart enough to link the attached note at the correct address I don't know. The link might be fixable in that case though.
Sure the link is fixable, the question is: why do we have to wait 1.5 years to fix such a simple bug?
The legacy windows client provides perfect htlml export for years already, including working attachments links and note links. It can't be that difficult to have a look in their colleague's code if they don't have the skills to rewrite it themselves?
Hopefully BS will put more prio on code quality.
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3 hours ago, PinkElephant said:
A pdf can’t hold another pdf inside of it. This is plain impossible - setting a link is the only chance.
The problem is that the links to the attached pdfs don't work either.
3 hours ago, PinkElephant said:You could try to export to HTML instead. There all attachments are saved in an extra folder, outside of EN.There was a bug (no idea if solved) that the links in the exported notes didn’t open the attached files. But the files themselves were exported and opened without a problem.
And even in the export to HTML, the Hyperlink markup language, the links still don't open the attached files. The support ticket is still open for 1.5 years now 😕
Maybe BS can make the evernote codebase open source, then we can fix the problems ourselves...
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30 minutes ago, PinkElephant said:
In fact I cam not so sure about legacy any more. When they switch to a new syncing design, it will most likely mean a new note structure. And this won’t sync with legacy any more, sure about this.
Maybe it's possible to just extend the current note structure, not change it, in order to stay downwards compatible. For instance, the 'X' in XML stands for Extensible Mark Up Language which keeps XML documents compatible when there are new tags added.
Last week, evernote engineers themselves suggested me to switch to the legacy android client since they can't immediately solve the problem(s). So, this makes me think that legacy will be around for a while until the V10 client is stable and functional enough to fully replace it.
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9 hours ago, janndk said:
That's my main concern as well. Bending Spoons' apps seems extremely overpriced.
Maybe because most users just pay for a short time when they need it ? There is always the free (advertised) version as well...
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1 hour ago, PinkElephant said:
On iOS it works when the app is open, but not active (running in the background).
What does work as well is that when sharing content (like clipping from the web) it imports the web clip even when the app is closed. It is not as it used to be initially that to make the import, we needed to share, then open the app and wait until the new note with the web clip had been created (and in the best of worlds synced as well).
I assume this is all v10.43 behaviour ?
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2 hours ago, agsteele said:
10.44 for Android dropped onto my device today. I'm told it addresses background sync to catch up with iOS.
What exactly does that mean? Will it now finally sync in background, even when the app isn't active?
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22 hours ago, PinkElephant said:
What I like even more is the experience with AI. AI is all about pattern recognition - be it in pictures, or in a large volume of data. If properly applied, it can boost search performance. Up to now I wouldn't call the EN experience stellar on AI - I turned off the "automatic filing" options for notebooks and email quite a while ago, since I had to find and move my new notes from all over the place to their correct location.
Better search (measured in the ratio between Total Hits / What I really searched) would be a big boon.
I couldn't agree more, both companies have complementary products and technology. A semantic image search would really enhance the search experience. As an example, in the Google Photo app, you may already search for specific objects, emotions, concepts, abstractions etc. This would be great for note retrieval since images may have very powerful associations with specific data.
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2 minutes ago, Alxa said:
I am in the WTF phase. Being owned by a european company could at least lead to better privacy rules for our data. Maybe the US, english language and iOS centric development gets more open minded to the world out there. We will see, the blog post of Ian to me in general was not very convincing about the benefits. They will be acquired that's it. And the two beta outlooks even disappointed me. Still nothing about the awaited sync revamping. Hoped there would come something about that at the second birthday of EN10. Would have been a huge step forward. Now there could be a phase of stagnation again with new owner looking into things... hope the best for Ian's vision.
I think there is a lot of synergy. Wait and see...
They had to revamp the underlying syncing mechanism completely in order to achieve the collaborative editing. So, I'm hopeful that syncing problems are history soon.
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Integrating the Remini AI photo enhancer technology in evernote's camera would be a tremendous improvement (quality and performance)!
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26 minutes ago, Dave-in-Decatur said:
- A company focused on mobile apps for iOS makes me worry that Evernote for Android will never be gotten right, and Evernote for Windows may not develop beyond where it is now. Which is actually pretty good for me, but I know lots of people want to see lots of other stuff in it.
Why do you think the company is focused on mobile for IOS:
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.splice.video.editor
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.bigwinepot.nwdn.international
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1 minute ago, PinkElephant said:
Short term the features now in beta are relevant. Long term the impact of the new ownership will be more relevant.
Lets wait how it evolves. Maybe an injection of AI capabilities will take search to a next level.
Since BendingSpoons activity is mainly on mobile, there is hope that the mobile clients will get the attention they deserve. Also they have much more experience in developing performant apps (video editing). Maybe, the native apps will come back at last 😉
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On 11/12/2022 at 12:54 PM, eric99 said:
What is the purpose of new fancy features if the (mobile) clients are unstable? And this promise from Ian Small is still missing: "And most importantly, over the course of 2022, we will complete our multi-year journey to a more reliable, faster, and more modern sync architecture—the very backbone of the Evernote experience."
So, please fix first the core evernote bugs before adding even more complexity !
Hopefull news from Ian Small: "As I write this blog post, our new collaborative editing capability, which allows multiple people to edit the same note simultaneously, and individuals to edit the same note on multiple devices without note conflicts, is in early days of beta testing around the world. " https://evernote.com/blog/evernote-next-move-joining-bending-spoons/
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1 hour ago, agsteele said:
Watch for 10.44 for Android this week.
10.44 ? I've never seen 10.43, was it that bad that it has never been released on our play store ?
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26 minutes ago, gazumped said:
And you're getting 2 per week??
unfortunately not 😉
So after a couple of days, my android client gets very slow again because it accumulates all problems until the next automatic update (or a tedious 2FA logout/login)
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On 11/13/2022 at 11:23 PM, dkl512 said:
I'm on a mac and I get probably 2 updates a week on average. I always install them, I never postpone them. I don't know if that's due to a bug or what but that is what's happening. I do agree it's a bit much and can be annoying when you're trying to work and you have to wait for it to download and install. Even if it takes 30 seconds, it takes you out of your work flow and can be a bit frustrating. Chrome used to have this problem and they solved it a long time ago by doing updates automatically in the background. I know that's not necessarily trivial thing to accomplish but maybe that would be something to look into for Evernote. As a software developer myself I recognize the need to keep your product update to date but that has to be balanced with overall user experience.
Since the automatic updating process makes my android client very responsive again for a few days, I really appreciate them. The more updates the better !
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31 minutes ago, gazumped said:
and it works fine for me and (AFAIK) many others here
Sure, it works fine for you since you still use legacy on your android phone v8.13 (Android) 😏
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15 hours ago, KAGS said:
BONUS 2 (not part of the absolute competitive minimum)
The mobile apps need to be more performant (fast and responsive). They do not need to replicate the desktop experience and should prioritize text and task features above all else. Scrolling through a table will never be great on a mobile-sized screen, so these features are less important.
This is not just a bonus, it is the most important requirement!
What is the purpose of new fancy features if the (mobile) clients are unstable? And this promise from Ian Small is still missing: "And most importantly, over the course of 2022, we will complete our multi-year journey to a more reliable, faster, and more modern sync architecture—the very backbone of the Evernote experience."
So, please fix first the core evernote bugs before adding even more complexity !
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11 hours ago, eric99 said:
A race condition bug makes the app erroneously thinking that there is still some syncing required.
Logout/login will solve this inconsistent state
I noticed that it can sometimes be cleared by changing/creating a note on another client (desktop or web).This will force a sync on the android client which may unlock the green icon.
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Has anyone already raised a ticket for this problem? I already mentioned it in my logging when I saw it while investigating another bug, but I'm not sure they will look at it...
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13 hours ago, ashleyburr said:
Thank you. It’s on my IPad Air, I do not use the professional version and I’ve used 4 MB out of 10 GB.
I just loaded the app and the ones with the green triangle didn’t automatically load, it took a while but they showed up.. still with the green indicator. Will try the solutions , thank you
A race condition bug makes the app erroneously thinking that there is still some syncing required.
Logout/login will solve this inconsistent state
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Performance Improvement ?
in Evernote General Discussions
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Yes, I noticed it as well on my android client, it's really responsive since the V10.43.1 installation 5 days ago. It's a little bit early to draw conclusions, because it's always responsive after a fresh install but I'm hopeful. Three weeks ago, I did many tests on my android client to reproduce the performance problems and sent many log files with detailed info and timestamps to support. Maybe they finally found and fixed something, I don't know...