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Depends your usage scenario. On my LG G6 Evernote v10 (beta) last week was STARTING in 25-28s. Yes, half a minute waiting to start taking your notes. My Evernote account currently has about 4k notes in 20 folders and about 400 tags. On my OnePlus Nord Evernote v10 (non-beta) starts much faster (less than 10s), but this phone has as much RAM as my old PC (12GB), but still it 2-3x longer than Joplin with more (5,5k) notes. Main issue with Evernote v10 PC app that EVERY operation takes noticably more time. Openin a note. Tagging a note. Moving a note to a folder. All takes a 1-4 seconds. Multiply up to x50 for multiple notes (because v10 has 50 notes selection limit and there is performance reason).

You cannot blame Electron framework for Evernote v10 being extremely slow. There are note taking apps written in Electron that are EXTREMELY FAST (for example Recollector - https://recollectr.io/) or very fast (see Joplin - https://joplinapp.org). I used both while searching for Evernote alternative. Currently ALL alternative solutions I tried are FASTER than Evernote v10 during my usage scenarios.

LN was great in early Exchange/Outlook days, BEFORE Microsoft created Sharepoint. Then it lost the competitive edge. I used every single office product since Word 2.0. I used Lotus Notes between 2000 and 2003. There was a reason why LN was replaced by Exchange.

I use Evernote Legacy. I use Evernote since 2009. I like the service and Evernote integrations (I use email integration, external web linking and integration with Insightly CRM). Parts that sucks ass are desktop app and new mobile app, unfortunately this results in overall deserved criticism.

I am still using Evernote in parallel with Joplin as part of my exit strategy, because Evernote mail forwarder is useful sometimes as I am forced to use admin-limited virtual machine for some of my tasks and email forward is one of few remaining options to use. I used OneNote for two years for work between 2015 and 2017 and it was useful for limited amount of notes, where search wasn't that important. OneNote is "paper centric" solution, while Evernote used to be not limited to artificial 2-level limits organization imposed by OneNote. I prefer full text over "virtual papier" approach. It all depends of your preference.

you are right, even Evernote Legacy uses local SQLite in EXB file, I assume I have accidentally turned on option to clear local storage so it started pulling data from internet - I will later check if it still works without internet connection (after reinstall and file copy, without logging-in).

It all depends on your expectations. For me Joplin, having build-in MarkDown editor and renderer, with option to use external WYSWIG editor (I use Typhora when I really need WYSWIG) provides more value than Evernote v6 where I cannot reliably remove formatting manipulate tables or strip text from table - AT ALL - beause of, limitations. With raw MarkDown editor there is NO limitation. Yes, it requires more skill, but well, we are talking about power users, right? Evernote v10 is fine app for casual user.

50 notes limit is result of design decision. Electron app with lo local backend storage (unlike Joplin, note, Joplin has Electron interface as well!) will use HUGE amount of resources to execute changes on notes. If you don't rely on local folders (very few people do), Evernote v6 only CACHES data locally, not STORES data locally. Export to ENEX in Evernote v6 uses online connection to cache online data to local cache. With sync off, I expect Evernote export it will STOP working for you when you log off (on new machine etc).

HTML backup of old Evernote data is as usable as folder full of Word documents. No more tags, full-search or creation date-sort. The part I am NOT ok is that Evenote with v10 as only supported solution, Evernote keeps your data hostage next day they turn off Evernote Legacy/v6 sync. Because you simply can no longer export 40.000 notes if you are limited to 50 notes selection TOTAL.

it You compare open source project with billion-dollar software giant? Microsoft already tried to kill OneNote 2016 and replace it with OneNote for Windows 10 - a dumbed down, online-only simplified app. There is clear analogy between Evernote v6 and v10. Only recently Microsoft decided to continue support OneNote 2016 as part of Office 365 subscription, because, well, new version suck ass - just like Evernote v10.

Current state of Evernote v10 for me as Polish user is complete doom, because the only way I can continue to use my Evernote is to use legacy app, because evernote cannot solve conflict between non-US keyboard and global shortcuts stolen by running Evernote v10. In order to use my PC I have to shut down Evernote otherwise typing normal text I invoke actions like Evernote screengrab. Imagine you have to type in English without being able to use letter V....

There are GOOD implementation of Electron (for example - JOPLIN - open source competition of Evernote) and not-so-good. Microsoft Teams is sometimes lagging even on fastest machines and is CRAWLING in vmware virtual machine, believe me - I use both flavors of Teams.

yes, desktop app exports nicely formatted PDF 1.4 with all pics embedded

if you browsed forums, you already know - evenote v10 is a different product - a simplified, web-wrapper for evernote web that mimics a real app - but in reality it is just a javacript web app (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electron_(software_framework))/ running in a window. I cannot be fast because it is NOT a real app.

Yes, search is already fixed or your issues are iPhone-specific. It highlights words in current note OR folder/ALL Sharing a note to a non-Joplin user? I would use HTML export instead. BTW I just tried export of a note with pics in 1.4.19 and output DOES contains pics via resource subdir, referred by MarkDown file.

Be aware that OneNote for windows 10 (the free app) is not much different from Evernote v10 - it is simplified, cloud-based app with no local store, that requires constant internet connection. OneNote 2016 (the legacy, offline note taking app) is paid app, part of O365 subscription.

Yes, it is working, indeed, but more like a hack or workaround, not the solution. If you use muscle memory to type quickly, it is not a best solution. I know I can switch to Polish (214) [klawiatura maszynistki] and it would solve my issue with hardcoded global shortcuts completely, but switching between keyboard layouts is hard for me and time consuming - as I mentioned I touch-type based on muscle memory.

I do not use Apple ecosystem, I am Microsoft/Google user. Deveon is Apple-exclusive.

I currently use both Evernote and Joplin in parallel, I hope to resolve following issues of the latter: - no tag hierarchy (only one level of tags, no nesting) - ONLY lowercase tags (github-stile) - workbook hierarchy in Joplin DOESN'T combine notes from sub-workbooks. There are serveral suprprises in Joplin for people that use serveral tags in their workflow. But as sideeffect of very very bad Evernote v10 I noticed HUGE speedup in Joplin development.

I see no real benefit from using "Windows" Evernote electron app over Evernote as web-app in browser. You could compare "old" Evernote with, for example, Joplin or Recollectr - working - FAST - on local data. But Evernote v10 fits in the same category as Notion, Clickup and OneNote for Windows 10 - online-oriented no-local-data not-native, unoptimized apps.

unfortunately v10 wasn't created as improvement over v6 - it is ANOTHER product that uses the same online database, fortunately you can continue using Evernote v6 (legacy) while searching for alternatives.

I learned it the hard way: if you are non-US keyboard user (like Polish, Latvian, Turkish, International-English etc) - the only solution so far is NOT to use Evernote v10, use Evernote Legacy (v6) or web version. I downgraded to v6 ("Evernote Legacy") and started looking for alternatives because Evernote development isn't going in the right direction.

I tried to like Microsoft OneNote 2013. I even used for almost two years 2013-2014 it was OK, but totally different than Evenote - I liked native Evernote better, because OneNote is IMHO a hybrid of classic pen noting and "electronic" notes, with limitation resulting from app design decisions. After 2016 Microsft prepared crippled, dumbed-down version of OneNote for Windows 10 and delivered it for free with Windows 10 OneDrive. You would be surprised HOW SIMILAR are "new" Evernote v10 and OneNote for Windows 10! You still can use OneNote 2016 - IF you buy Office 365 subscription. OneNote may not be the best alternative after all...

you can still revert to legacy version and continue to use it, hoping Evernote will un-***** v10

Seems you no longer have tree-like structure of notebooks, you can only have ONE level notebooks GROUPED by empty pseudo-folder that aggregates notes of notebooks that are put inside - another limitation of new version. Before I noticed the difference, I deleted hundred of notes. Crippled Evernote 10 is a bad, beta software.