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How timely! I have used Appsumo before and had no issues. I have wobbled about Nimbus lately - are they really in the US? (Other threads have sowed doubt) and although I only use Evernote myself (not as a team), I am way over the 50GB for the lowest tier. Nevertheless, $59 all in for life is a seriously good deal. I shall plough through the questions asked there and try to get a feel for the corporation, because I am a little nervous trusting a hitherto unheard of company.

Nimbus was really appealing, but then I read the warning above. And I can't shake it off. Nimbus seemed so promising as an alternative, but heck, do I trust them now?

Shame about internal links @Stuhrer - that's a big one for me too. Might be worth requesting on the forum - it seems to be an active set of devs over there. Have you considered Nimbus Note? https://nimbusweb.me/

And it's this kind of response - "...being considered..." - that's making me so nervous now. The Top View feature, one of so many, which was just culled, may or may not return. This lack of certainty is not good enough. For those interested, Joplin has now overtaken Obsidian. But switching to Markdown is still an uncomfortable prospect.

More interesting stuff @TechPerplexed. You'll probably be able to answer this quick question - does Joplin allow partial sync on Android (just as EN allows you to make only chosen notebooks offline)?

Also @wbutchart you can use external editors. Typoria is often mentioned. But yeah it's still markdown, not HTML.

I expect the Joplin community is improving things at a rate though - EN's rate has felt glacial (and many feature requests were never implemented) but Joplin's feels like an active, vibrant community. It's marketed as an alternative to Evernote; this v10 release may see an influx of new Joplinites, some of whom are ready to improve it themselves. There's no such option with Evernote. Maybe this product is the future...

Interesting, @TechPerplexed. I must add it to my list. @lisec - this might be of interest - tags, search, markdown and your choice of cloud sync: https://joplinapp.org/

It was a staggering decision. Even if they intend to restore those missing features, what a way to not communicate them in advance. A textbook example of what not to do.

Native sync (optional) coming too, @lisec - https://obsidian.md/pricing

Mobile apps for Obsidian are coming apparently but as you say, you can use a combination of apps to replicate a lot of EN's functionality (OCR, sync etc. - heck, even GitHub for a note's version history). Sync all of it, some of it or none of it. They're just files in folders. I think one should think of the desktop as the main Obsidian client (with the plug-ins and bells and whistles); other markdown viewers and editors are used on other platforms (mobile, web etc.) with reduced functionality. But it's all still markdown. Here's Obsidian's roadmap: https://trello.com/b/Psqfqp7I/obsidian-roadmap

Obsidian only works with markdown files; from my (limited) understanding, it's a front end to those files but with sophisticated linking and graphing technology overlaid. This is why I am interested in MD - you can take those files anywhere without necessary exporting (as you'd have to do with Evernote) - you just need an editor and a viewer to present it. Heck - a normal text editor to edit it and a browser to present it would suffice. But these MD clients offer more than just editing or rendering. Things are missing from Obsidian though - OCR, native mobile apps etc.. Depends on what you're looking for or what matters. For me, I use most if not all of Evernote's features, so right now Obsidian doesn't cut it in that respect. Just like Notion doesn't. But they're fascinating products nonetheless.

Well I know that testing any alternative is really going to take some time, as I probably overanalyze software. Movingto something else though has got to be worth it though. @lisec - you might want to check out Obsidian. I've read very good things about it, but I've not explored it much. Simple Notes and Nimbus are both on my radar also. I already use Notion but, for me, it's just not there yet.

Oh no I use so many features of EN, and am big on fonts. It just seems a lot of competitors focus on MD, so I may need to rethink my reliance on heavy styling. The HTML export would likely take some scripting (especially to preserve the myriad of tags I use), which I'm not even sure exists for Windows (it's Applescript for Macs isn't it?). I'm being premature anyway; I'm sticking around to see what happens. I'd be gutted to leave.

All this proprietary format stuff is really making me reconsider markdown as a suitable storage format now. And this idea won't work for a lot. I'm more about text, images, attachments and OCR. Less about the styling. I'm beginning to wonder about a note editor which only really deals with MD format. And also piggybacks on existing mature cloud storage as the backend, single source of truth, from which syncs are performed. Some note platforms will take an attachment you drop in, upload it to the cloud (Dropbox , Drive etc.) and replace the attachment portion of your note with an embedded link. It's still markdown at the end of the day. I get it that enex is a form of HTML (I think it is - I'm away from my PC) but if I migrate out of EN, it's going to be painful for sure. Moving over to a massive block of markdown files (as opposed to one massive exb), managed by a front end client and a cloud (and offline) store, is appealing more and more. Alternative note takers (many based around MD) have sprung up over the past few years. I've felt (and accepted) locked into EN despite their comparative lack of progression (unless I'm mistaken, their biggest achievement was their migration to Google Cloud as the back end). But for many of us, v10 is unworkable. If EN do plan to reintroduce missing features, they've a dreadful way of communicating that. That fact, and other past mistakes combine to make me really question my 12 year loyalty now.

The word "soulless" came from me, and I apologize if anyone was offended or felt it was too aggressive language. I suppose passion for the product spilt out in the wrong manner. I just felt that it was a little too "copy paste" for my liking, but I acknowledge I could've worded my reaction more appropriately.

@Coffee First Thing - Nimbus has selective synchronisation - note titles only or full content. This may help with your Chromebook but I've no idea how well Nimbus works with Chrome. (Although I suspect it will work very well!) I'm just starting looking into EN alternatives.

I've worked customer support (IT support) and I made a point of never copy pasting responses. But you're right - soul can sometimes be misinterpreted for sarcasm and that would help no-one. And in fairness they're probably rather busy with such complaints right now. I too would have struggled to offer much help, given this disastrous launch.

It's weird being so (constructively) critical and so heavily discussing EN alternatives on EN's own forum, but I fear the quality of conversation over on Facebook. This disaster (yeah, that's what it is to me - 12+ years with a massive, varied range of content ploughed into this product) has to be examined somewhere. This issue is simply too significant to ignore or stay silent on. I'm a many-a-year read-only lurker on the forums but not now, not with this! With a growing acceptance of the legacy (as they describe it) 6.5 being phased out in the "future", the time to be looking for alternatives is, unfortunately, now. Wow. I hoped I'd never have to jump ship. I remember clear as day Phil Libin saying on those podcasts years ago (remember those?) "we're a 100 year company". And "the data is yours. We don't lock it down. If you want to take it elsewhere you can." I felt reassured at the time, knowing how much I relied on it. Knowing what a pain in the arse it was, moving thousands of notes over from Lotus Notes, hoping I'd never have to do that again.This release has shattered that reassurance. Users new to EN might know no different, but this is like a new version 1. Just getting started. So, so far, with my limited time, Nimbus is doing it for me. It has a feel of Notion about it, but seems a little more... mature. It seems to be a competitor to Notion more than EN, but there's a blurring of the lines in modern note taking apps. I'd love some reassurance about Nimbus - how new they are, roadmaps, vision for the future etc., but they're ticking some boxes right now: - Offline - Sync - Android app - Better Android editor than EN - Global tags - (lovely) dynamic table of contents within the note Tons more to research. Not tried the desktop yet (Windows 10). I suspect search is inferior to EN6.5. And, on Android at least, markdown only (little font support). I've yet to check out Obsidian. I may never need to from what I'm seeing with Nimbus. Maybe we could ask, nicely, if the EN forum admins could create a new forum here called "Evernote Alternatives"... Semi-rant over. I feel better now. Thanks for reading.

That's just a dreadful, copy-paste, soulless response. And it does them no favours.

Also - table of contents gone? (I wouldn't know- I moved back to 6.5 in no time)

Essential to me too. What a disastrous release.

It's really useful to learn of these alternatives. Sometimes the smaller players can still deliver the biggest value. Keep 'em coming - I want to be ready for the Evernopocalpyse if it is indeed coming.

Notion is nothing like as mature as Evernote (6, not 10), then... I use Notion as a CRM but not looked into using it as a viable Evernote replacement. Might still be the closest alternative we currently have, and they seem more open about their planned roadmap.

There's also Standard Notes (https://standardnotes.org/), which heavily uses on markdown. Looks interesting.