Mike P

Reember that the bit @gazumped quoted from my post was @gbarry back in July. As far as I know that has now been implemented. You do need to ensure that tools -> preferences -> save data at logout is ticked because I assume the files are wiped at logout otherwise.

You could just do it yourself:

1 hour ago, loriswave said:

the mass that uses only 3 functionalities

And I suspect that this mass aren't premium users so don't pay EN staff's salaries! 

8 minutes ago, doktorzirb said:

yep but greek letters are used in engineering even in arabic, russian or chinese texts

In my experience all Segoe UI Symbol characters are correctly rendered. This includes greek letters. You would need to use good old Windows character map or an online resource like http://www.kreativekorp.com/charset/font/SegoeUISymbol/ to find the correct charaters but that is the case in the legacy version too.

I've tried various titles in the past including something akin to what you suggest. I'm disappointed that very few people have grasped the magnitude of this change. Perhaps most people don't copy and paste images from websites. However I'll change the title as you suggest.

My best bet so far is a folder:

C:\Users\{user name}\AppData\Roaming\Evernote\resource-cache

This contains thousands of folders and files dating from when I upgraded from beta to v10 to today.. I'm way out of my competence zone here so I could be completely wrong!

Personally I have no desire to share a contact's email address with Evernote with or without their permission. However there should be the ability to send a note from your own email system. Currently you cannot even reliably copy and paste a note into an email because images aren't copied.

10 minutes ago, gazumped said:

See also 

 

Just to note that you cannot copy and paste an image whether it is a link or an actual image embedded into the note.

20 minutes ago, gazumped said:

It does mean that if that page is changed or removed,  or the URL changes,  then access to images will be lost,  so it's no longer true that a clip from a page is a reliable snapshot of the content.

This is the key point. I deliberately didn't use the word security but used safety instead. The raison d'etre of a note taking app is to keep your notes safe (in the sense of unchangeable) and accessible and I think that in this case EN has failed to do this.

20 minutes ago, gazumped said:

It probably makes sense from Evernote's point of view not to store an actual image

In most cases though it is storing the actual image. I would imagine that images copy and pasted in from a website are a smallish proportion of the total images on their servers. Webclipped and images added as files are still added to the note correctly.  And where do they stop? Online pdf's replaced by a link when you clip them?

I raised this at the beta stage but it is still an issue and I think it is important that everybody understands it.

If you copy and paste an image from a website into a note you would expect that image to be in your note wouldn't you. Wrong. All EN does is copy and paste a link to the image. This means:

• If the image is removed or changed on the website it will be removed from or changed in your note
• You cannot annotate the image - the option is simply not there
• The image does not show up as a thumbnail in the snippet or card view
• You can't download the image (because it's not there)

To me this is a serious breach of the trust we have put in EN to safely store our data. If we knowingly add a link we know the webpage it links to can be changed. If we copy and paste content into our notes we expect it to be safe. As far as I can see webclipped images and images added as files are OK so it is just copying and pasting images from the web.

There is no ability to select an image in a note and then copy it into another application. It needs to be downloaded first. This is also true if you try to copy and paste an entire note containing images (for example to email it). Only the text is copied. Copy and paste is basic windows functionaility which should just work.

If the cursor is on the checkbox then the space bar seems to toggle between checked and unchecked. I could not find an equivalent key for check lists possibly because you can't actually place the cursor on a checklist box..

2 hours ago, pansovic said:

I get notes with a thing that calls HTML Content. See attached. What´s the point of this?

As websites have become more complex the EN webclipper has struggled to faithfully convert the content into EN's format leading to messed up formating etc. By keeping it in html format within the note EN is trying to solve that problem. In my experience it's not perfect but I get fewer problems than with the old system. The main downside is that you can't edit or even highlight the webclip without resorting to "simplify and make editable".

I've just gone offline to see what it's like. I had no issues with search, saved searches, tags (if selected from the tag sidebar) adding tags to notes etc etc.

I did have issues with some attachments not being loaded and the absence of the filter menu (which is clearly by design  as a message comes up over the greyed out filter icon). So it clearly is not working as I would expect but I'm not having quite the same issues. I hope the attachments issue is a bug. I'm not sure why the filter menu has been deemed to be uneccessary in offline mode.

The what's new post makes it clear that the ability to work offline is still a supported feature so it clearly is syncing locally. If it's not working for you the specific issue needs to be raised so that other people can try to replicate it and hopefully Evernote can address it.

See also the info below posted by @gbarry in the mac forum of how the sync process works:

The What's new in Evernote for Windows web page  has the following statements:

What features are no longer supported in the new app?

This is not an exhaustive list of features, but the most notable include:

• Local notebooks
• Presentation mode
• Context
• ScanSnap Evernote Edition firmware and software
• Outlook clipper

Can I use the new Evernote app offline?

Yes. To use Evernote offline, ensure you are signed in to the app before disconnecting from the internet.

I don't think there is going to be an easily identifiable local data base but something more like local caching. People need to ensure everything is fully downloaded by using the app for some time and then switch off the internet and see what happens. If it does not work offline in the way you expect it needs to be reported to Evernote because they clearly think it should work.

See also the info below posted by @gbarry in the mac forum of how the sync process works:

1 hour ago, tommy_ev said:

So I am pretty sure that this media coverage leads to a considerable amount of new users,

But new users bring zero revenue to the company. They have to convert to premium and the premium option is getting less and less attractive. e.g. presentation mode gone, Windows version is just the web in a window so why bother to increase your number of devices count.

1 hour ago, tommy_ev said:

All the bigger productivity youtubers and blogs seem to join in the official evernote narrative about a great new era.

The self appointed productivity gurus hate mature products that just do what they are supposed to do. Nothing for them to write about or screencast about. Much better to have a pretty new app that does nothing of any substance  but has three days between new releases. Then every week they can get excited about how it now includes the ability to add commas or some other micro improvement.

1 hour ago, DMiddleton said:

Time will tell how it plays out, I just hope they are not trying to aim towards more casual users and forgetting about people that use the power features.

I hope so too but I fear that is exactly who they are targetting driven on by the self appointed productivity gurus who have been down on Evernote for a while. Eventually they will realise that casual users are exactly that and don't convert to premium users who actually pay for the product. Meanwhile premium users will wonder whether we actually want to pay for something that is so stripped down from the product we know and love. My main reason for being premium is to have lots of different versions on lots of different devices. If the windows version is just the web version in a window I may not need premium any longer. I've suspected for a while that we will see a change in subscription model because of that.

The nightmare scenario of course is no free versions in the future. With no local notebooks anymore that means you have to pay to access your data. That doesn't bear thinking about.

Not sure what you mean by this; you will need to be more specific. I'm guessing you mean searching for tag1 OR tag2. Using either search or filter you get a search for tag1 AND tag2. The ability to change this was raised in the beta but so far ignored. You can still do it using the search syntax in the search box. ie any: tag:tag1 tag:tag2 but there is no easy way like in the old version.

12 hours ago, Dave-in-Decatur said:

a simple table of "coming soon / working on it / gone for good" would actually restore a sense of rational confidence in many users who have been severely shaken by this.

Agreed. They have already started this here:

https://help.evernote.com/hc/en-us/articles/360047889234-What-s-new-in-Evernote-for-Windows

We just need it to be complete and cover all the issues that were raised in the preview and beta. I'm not seeing alot of issues raised now that I've not already seen raised - we know what all the issues are already and they have been well documented in the preview and then the beta forums.

12 hours ago, Dave-in-Decatur said:

Can you give a link to the release notes? All I've seen is the What's New post, which is lacking a lot of details.

It's in the program itself. Help -> release notes. Don't get your hopes up though -  there is not much detail in there but it just happens that this little nugget is there.

37 minutes ago, Dave-in-Decatur said:

Can you or someone else confirm whether it does in fact maintain a permanent local database (even if the user must request it to do so)?

I certainly wouldn't want to be definitive. There isn't anything clearly identifiable as a local DB like the old version so perhaps it is more like a cache. In my limited experience of using it offline most things seem to work but I couldn't guarantee that everything is there.

2 hours ago, StevenChang said:

Dose any one know how do I update the timestamps (create and modified) of notes?

Clearly listed in the coming soon section of the release notes:

Coming Soon:

- Edit creation date of notes in note info

The pronouncements from the EN team during the preview and beta phases have been reasonanly clear. I'll quote a few of then here:

You have to "simplify and make editable" which is available from the pop up mini menu when you click on the grey header to the web content.