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Could unrecognized access history simply reflect the use of a VPN on the user side? I'm not a tech expert. When I look at my Evernote Access History, I see logins from around the world. Most, but not all, reflect my past choice of login location using my VPN. Perhaps the other non-recognized locations reflect the VPN service bouncing around to different nodes (again, not a techy). I do use a 2FA and a complex and unique password.

Going Electron is like getting a big tattoo. There’s no turning back. And like those who have tattoos, the Electron developers/C-Suite managers will always justify their decision. 😉

Thanks for the replies. I've resolved my own confusion on this matter. One needs to search for each tag sequentially using the Search Box -- and using not the tag icon. Agree with above comments that it would be much better if all the related tags showed up after searching on one tag, rather than just a limited subset of suggestions based on an algorithm. The only way it works under the current design is if you remember all of the related tags.

A few weeks ago, it was possible to search for a tag in Evernote 10 Web, say "portland", and then when you clicked in the search box, a filter was applied such that all the other tags that were associated with notes tagged "portland" were offered, in my case: "food", "accommodations", "transportation", "tourism", "travel". This functionality allowed the user to quickly drill down on related tags to find, say, all notes regarding food in Portland. This functionality is now removed from Evernote 10 Web, and that's quite frustrating. I'm still on Evernote Legacy for the Mac. Have users of Evernote 10 for Mac found that this type of tag filtering by related tags to be working or not? For the record, I'm a big user of hyphenated tags (which solves this problem), but I find that for the "travel" use case (and many others), the related tag system is much easier because the user doesn't have to create as many tags (see below). Hyphenated Tags portland.food, portland.accommodations, portland.transportation, portland.tourism, portland.travel seattle.food, seattle.accommodations, seattle.transportation, seattle.tourism, seattle.travel minneapolis.food, minneapolis.accommodations, minneapolis.transportation, minneapolis.tourism, minneapolis.travel new.york.food, new.york.accommodations, new.york.transportation, new.york.tourism, new.york.travel chicago.food, chicago.accommodations, chicago.transportation, chicago.tourism, chicago.travel Related Tags portland, seattle, minneapolis, new.york, chicago food, accommodations, transportation, tourism, travel The number of hyphenated tags required grows exponentially with each additional city (okay, I'm not a mathematician). I brought this issue up approximately a year ago, and Ian Small responded to my post, stating that the related tag approach would work in Evernote 10. Is anyone else bothered by the fact that it appears to have been recently removed from Evernote 10 Web? Perhaps I'm making a mistake and the functionality is still present. And as I asked above, is this functionality still present in Evernote 10 for Desktop? Thanks, Jason

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I've had 100% success in the import process from Evernote to Keep It (including retaining Evernote tags), but I'm going slow with the import process in order to learn Keep It well, and in order to build a new work flow. I figure that I have a year before Big Sur is surpassed by the next MacOS upgrade, and at that point legacy Evernote will be history. Keep it has several note format options (markdown, plain text, and rich text) as well as a "Keep It" format. I believe the import-from-evernote process coverts notes into the "Keep It" format...which I ultimately don't want for any notes that need to last in perpetuity. From my internet research, rich text and PDF are among the best archival formats. My primary goal is to create archive quality notes and PDF files that are stored in the MacOS directory (Finder). So, wherever I have a prized note, I cut and paste content from Evernote into a rich text document in Keep It in order to create an archival format (the note is stored in the Finder as a rich text document). And I just drag PDFs from Evernote to Keep It such the the new Keep It note is in PDF format (it's stored in the finder as a PDF). I didn't realize the trap I was building by putting everything into Evernote. Fortunately, I met a systems administrator more than a decade ago who warned me about the possibility of an Evernote directory failure (never happened), but that scared me enough to keep all my mission critical documents in the Finder. Thus, most of my 10,000 plus notes in Evernote are web clippings, receipts, etc - stuff that was once interesting or part of a now-completed or abandoned project. I imagine that my good and important material in Evernote is about 30%, and the other 70% will be deleted come 2022. For those who have culled and refined their collection of Evernote notes over the years, the export process is more time consuming (and important to get right).

Hi Pbpamela, I like the Scanner Pro app on my phone because I can use it the moment I receive a receipt (don't have to wait until I get home to use my ScanSnap). It's so fast, easy, and precise. It saves scans in my iphone, or uploads them to iCloud, Dropbox, Evernote, etc. They're all safe cloud services. Regarding your problem with naming files, if the problem is occurring in Keep It, you can contact the developer, and he will answer your questions quickly. Hope that helps

PbPamela, this only works with Apple Mail. You can, however, read your Gmail within Apple Mail.

Hi Pbpamela, Instructions on use of Keep It, including mail extensions, can be found at: https://reinventedsoftware.com/support/keepit.html The developer provides an Automator Workflow and two Applescripts for Mail. I use the Automator Workflow and created a keyboard combination in System Preferences for saving mail into Keep It. Very easy to save specific emails, and as I mentioned previously, emails stored in Keep It have links back to the original emails. For scanning receipts, I generally use Scanner Pro on my iPhone and then use the iOS extension to upload PDFs to Keep It (which syncs to iCloud and my Mac). I do have a Scansnap for scanning multipage documents, and I would scan to Dropbox (or the Finder) and then drag the PDF into Keep It. Hope that helps.

I haven’t tried Joplin, but have spent the last month using and comparing Notion and Keep It (Apple only -- and not to be confused with Google Keep). Although Notion is powerful, the Evernote debacle taught me an important lesson which is that all files should be stored in your primary directory in a commonly-used, archival-friendly format. Keep It meets that standard, as all files are stored in the Finder... and can be stored as Rich Text. In addition, PDFs, PNGs, JPGs, Word, Excel, etc are supported. This means all notes are stored in common formats in the Finder, and are securely backed-up and synced through iCloud to iOS and other Macs, plus are plus backed-up incrementally in Time Machine. Keep It has internal links to other apps, an amazing web clipper that can save in PDF format, and an AppleScript option that saves email with an embedded links that open the original emails. After being limited in Evernote, I now appreciate the combination of using unlimited nested folders and a much better implementation of tags. Moreover, all the tags are functional in the Finder, which make Keep It a stand-alone MacOS tagging app. I have never previously used tags in the Finder, and this opens a whole new world. There is an excellent import feature from Evernote to Keep It that preserves tags. Need a note, file, or PDF 20 years from now? Keep It has it stored in your MacOS directory, tucked away in a logical nested folder structure, stored in a common archival format, searchable by tags, and backed up in Time Machine. Again, the Evernote lesson is to never again use a proprietary storage format.

Eric is commenting on Google Keep. My post was regarding “Keep It”, a totally different Apple-only product.

And I almost forgot to mention that the web clipping function in Keep It is fantastic -- with an option to save in PDF format. Plus, there's an AppleScript option that saves email from Apple Mail -- and includes an embedded link that reopens the email in Apple Mail.

I have spent the last month using and comparing Notion and Keep It. Although Notion is powerful, the Evernote debacle taught me an important lesson which is that all files should be stored in your primary directory (MacOS Finder for me). Keep It meets that standard, as all files are stored in the Finder and are securely backed-up and synced through iCloud to iOS and other Macs, plus are plus backed-up incrementally in Time Machine. Keep It is fantastic in so many ways. Coming from Evernote, I appreciate the combination of unlimited nested folders and a much better implementation of tags. Moreover, all the tags are functional in the Finder, which make Keep It a stand-alone MacOS tagging app. I have never previously used tags in the Finder, and this opens a whole new world for me. All my Keep It notes are stored either as Rich Text or with embedded PDFs, PNGs, JPGs, Word, Excel, etc. This means all my notes are stored in archival format in the Finder! Again, the Evernote lesson learned is to never again use a proprietary storage format. There is an excellent import feature from Evernote to Keep It that preserves tags, and I'm slowing exporting my 10,000+ notes from Evernote to Keep It while building out a much more logical organization scheme based on nested folders and tags. I'm very happy with Keep It and feel much more productive than working in Evernote. I'll add that in comparison to Notion (where notes are store on their servers in a proprietary format), with Keep It I can use internal links to my to-do app (Things 3), my calendar (Fantastical), and my Kanban board app (Kanbanier). It feels "right" to be using best-of-class apps rather than trying to use one app for everything. Notion keeps mentioning future implementation of APIs that will provide app and service integration, but I suspect that will be at the cost of reduced security. I like that Keep It leverages MacOS technology to integrate app connectivity across the relatively secure Apple Ecosystem. In comparison to Notion, Keep It does not have a huge overhead and learning curve. Keep It doesn't force a new paradigm on you. Need a note or file? Find it instantly with a tag search, content search, or in the logical nested-folder structure that you created. Need a note/file/PDF 20 years from now? It's in your MacOS directory.

Is the legacy version going to be updated commensurate with future MacOS upgrades? Unlikely. MacOS Big Sur will be released soon. There are enough changes for Apple to label it MacOS 11. Will Evernote 10 be fully functional in time for Big Sur? Unlikely. I suspect that legacy Evernote users will have to delay upgrading to Big Sur if they want full Evernote functionality and thus be forced to remain in the legacy version of Evernote. The clock is ticking.

I'll add that internal links even work on my iPhone! I use this feature all day long, as my job is on the go. I set up the internal links on my computer the night before (to-do's in Things that link to Evernote), and then get work done using my iPhone throughout the day -- the links open directly into Evernote in iOS (no web interface). Such an awesome productivity enhancement!

Internal links are central to my workflow. When I discovered that I could put Evernote internal links into my to-do app (Things 3), my Kanban Board (Kanbanier), and into my calendar, and documents, etc, ... my workflow/productivity system was on steroids! I suspect that Evernote knows that only a small percent of users use internal links and have decided to deprecate them. The situation may be similar to tags (not on the chopping block, but de-emphasized). According to Ian Small's interview on The Paperless Movement (YouTube), only 2% of users use tags, so they are not important enough to receive any serious attention. My guess is that the same applies to internal links. I'm sure I speak for other 2-percenters when I say that we need to know Evernote's plan for internal links. Are they on the list of items to bring back to Evernote, or forever gone? I'll add that one App internal links do not work in is Notion, which is also an electron app. I'm wondering if this is an electron limitation.

After experiencing this twice (seeing a past version of my notebook structure upon downloading 10.0, and the quickly deleting the app), I got up the courage to let it sync. Slowly the old folders disappeared at a rate of approximately one folder every 20 minutes, and my new (more sparse) folder structure appeared. I had approximately 150 folders in my old system and 20 in the new one. I had to coax it along...quitting and restarting the app many times over the course of a day. My tags also updated. As far as I can tell, all my notes are present. I don't know why I was seeing my old folder system upon upgrading to 10.0, but it appears to be resolved after a slow syncing process.

In 10.02, I still see an old version of my notebook structure, with notes in them. After syncing, the old notebook structure remains on my iPhone, .but my notebook structure in the cloud and on my Mac have not changed. Thus, the 10.02 on my phone has somehow reverted to an old -- previously deleted -- notebook structure and is not syncing with the cloud. I've submitted a trouble ticket to Support, but there is no response.

I updated to iOS 14, erased the Evernote iOS beta, and downloaded Evernote iOS 10. I then saw a past version of my Notebook structure. I deleted the app. Fortunately, this did not change my notes and notebooks in the cloud and on my Mac Evernote client. I waited three days and tried again with the same result. Why am I pulling an old version of my Evernote account in the iOS Evernote client?

I appreciate your description of Electron. It's quite disappointing to hear that Evernote may be heading in the wrong direction. It's such a great tool. Examples from other industries of technology going in the wrong direction come to mind: The Da Vinci surgical robot and Boeing's 737Max. Can Evernote turn back the clock? It's core feature is lightening fast search. It would be intolerable if search and navigation were slow. I'm heavily invested in a tag structure. It's already painfully slow to organize tags in the native (non-Electron) Mac version of Evernote (on a 2019 16" MBP with 2.4 GHz 8-core i9).

I was a late adopter of the iOS Beta, and never fully tested it. Rather, I just used it for my work flow and although it bit buggy, it seemed fine overall. I liked the nested tag structure, as well as tag search that suggested other tags (on notes that have multiple tags). Why -- when the final version was released -- do we see so many new problems? Did they add a bunch of new features in the final version? And what is this electron technology that some on the forums state is the underlying problem? A way to integrate multiple platforms that slows performance and creates coding challenges?? Is this really unproven and highly complex technology that the bank has been bet on? Can we expect all this to get sorted out in short order?

Yes, I synced my phone before upgrading, and the changes (new folder structure) were saved to the iPhone. In fact, I had been using this new folder structure for several weeks prior to the upgrade.

After loading the new Evernote app, my folder structure had reverted to a version from approximately one month ago (I've made a lot of recent changes). My immediate fear was that this version would sync back up to the cloud, and I would lose my last month of work. I immediately shut down my iPhone, restarted it, and erased the new iOS Evernote App. Fortunately, after syncing on my Mac, nothing had changed. Does anyone have an idea what happened in my case? Can I safely download the new iOS app and try again?

I'm a heavy user of hyphenated tags. For example, if I were traveling to Portland, I would tag notes using the following tags: portland-food, portland-accommodation, portland-tourism, portland-history, and portland-transportation. It would be convenient (and logical) if hyphens were unnecessary. Instead, I would use five non-hyphenated tags: portland, food, accommodation, tourism, and transportation. In this scenario, if "portland" is entered as a search term and the user clicks on this tag, then other tags that exist in notes with "portland" tags are offered as suggestions: food, accommodation, tourism, history, and transportation. This would be a better way to search than tag:portland tag:food as is the current method. Maybe this is how the new search is designed and I missed it.

In the category of Search and the subcategory of Managing Tags, it would be very helpful to improve the ability to search and find tags that have hyphenated names. To be clear, I'm referring to (a) finding tags in the Tag Management section of Evernote, (b) finding tags when adding tags to notes, and (c) finding tags when web clipping. Searching for hyphenated tags works perfectly in general search. I often use multi-word tags where the words are separated by dashes and find that -- when the same word is used in multiple tags -- search within the Tag Management section only returns the first instance of that word. And, when adding a multi-word hyphenated tag to a note or web clipping, the system does not "search" within the middle of a tag. You have to know the exact first word of the tag to find the tag. The use of hyphenated tags is powerful and, in my opinion, should be emphasized by Evernote.