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Ran what upgrade? Not to v 10,right, because you still are running legacy on the windows 7 computer or am I missing something? You didn't provide a password, so does that mean you are not logged in to Evernote legacy? I feel like your solution sounds like it could be great but I'm slightly confused!
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Oh I see, I was just misreading your sentence about precautions! But I had completely missed that sentence in the post I quoted. I only have about 7 notebooks so I guess I wasn't as focused on it, but still I will use Ctrl-shift-e when I export from legacy for the last time before the 23rd. One thing though - if I understand correctly, I don't think you'll be able to move legacy to your desktop after March 23rd. With no server you won't be able to log in after March 23rd, as @PinkElephant explains - you have to be logged in to legacy when the old servers stop running. So you won't be able to do any new installations of legacy after March 23rd. If you don't already have it installed on your old desktop and logged in on that date, your worst case scenario plan won't work. Unless I'm misunderstanding what you mean.
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Was it missing from Legacy too? Because that would be very strange! You had it on Dropbox, but you could always pull the image easily from legacy if necessary (which is a reason to keep it around I think). You took many more precautions than I did! I had everything backed up but nothing more than that. And I have to admit that I do not know what you mean when you say that using ctrl-shift-e is a precaution? Anyway I'm glad it worked out for you! I too am sticking with Evernote. There are no other options that have anything like evernote's functionality for the way I use it, though I rely on it so heavily that the lack of good alternatives worries me. Any change this large to something so important is bound to cause concern, but if it continues to do what I need it to do, I will adapt.
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So I don't understand what would happen if it tries to seek a server that no longer responds. Is the fear that it will sync the notes to nothing so you end up with nothing? But if the server isn't there or isn't responding, it won't be able to sync, so isn't it more likely you'd just get a message that sync failed, as you would currently if the server was down? Why is it so critical to keep legacy walled off from the internet?
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Oh no, I don’t want to give the wrong impression! I certainly don’t feel like I can move forward without fear - I am full of trepidation about this transition and hate the fact that it is happening. The only thing I can say for sure is that right at this moment I am running Legacy and v.10 simultaneously. But once Legacy is no longer supported, as I understand it, unless I have Legacy firewalled from the internet, I’ll lose my legacy-format local EN database (I think that’s what will happen?). What I don’t understand is where this idea that installing v.10 will uninstall legacy and/or change your database comes from. I mean, I didn’t do anything magical. I found the instructions for what I did right here in the forums, from @KoZz, here: https://discussion.evernote.com/forums/topic/148007-this-version-of-the-app-is-outdated-you-need-to-install-the-latest-version-to-keep-using-evernote-update-now/?do=findComment&comment=701103 In brief, these were the steps (preceded by backing up everything first to be safe if you want): 1) make a copy of the entire EN legacy folder (Program Files(x86)\Evernote) so it’s called Evernote -copy; the exe for Legacy is now in Evernote-copy folder; 2) go into the options of legacy and move the location of the database; 3) install v.10 (allowing Cleanup of old version), which will be installed in Program Files(x86)\ Evernote folder. After this the exe in the Evernote-copy folder will run legacy (supposedly it should have a gray icon, but mine does not, which makes me a little worried!), and the exe in the new Evernote folder runs v.10. No need to reinstall anything. Maybe there is something incorrect about this procedure, but it seemed to work for me. I did this just 3 days ago, and I’m running the two side by side now. As I understand, and as @PinkElephant seems to confirm, legacy and v.10 use different data structures on EN’s servers, and installing v.10 causes conversion of your notes to the new data structure (I’d already been running v.10 on my iPad, so I *think* this had already happened?) - but it doesn’t delete the legacy data structure version of your notes on EN’s servers. That’s what’s going to happen on the 23rd. This is confirmed by the fact that legacy still runs for me (or when reinstalled). And it didn’t delete my local copy of the legacy db - I had moved that to a new location. And it didn’t delete legacy itself, as I’d copied/hidden the exe folder. So I’m not sure what the installation is supposed to delete. Maybe it deletes your legacy installation if you don’t copy the Evernote folder first? Anyway, my assumption is that after March 23rd Legacy will only be useful as a backup/double check of sorts for the notes that existed as of that date, and then only to the extent it remains firewalled. Still, to me that is valuable reassurance even if it is redundant, considering how important Evernote is to my daily life.
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Thank you so much for this! I knew about how to get folders indexed but not that I could search for tags as you describe. I do know it's not a replacement for legacy, but it's reassuring to have it as a backup, especially since I haven't figured out or put into place a backup solution for v.10 yet. I will probably keep legacy and attempt to firewall it, for a while at least, just in case I come across a situation where I can't find a note in v.10 that I think should be there, or a note is corrupted, that sort of thing. At some point it won't be useful or I won't feel like I need it anymore. But for now it makes me feel better!
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Lol. Yeah, thanks for this, I'll sort through and clean up 12,000 notes in 2 weeks, in my spare time!😆🤣 I have no nested folders or stacks or nested anything. I only have about 6 folders and most of my notes are in one of those. I don't use spaces or characters or anything except regular letters in my tags. My structure is extremely simple. I mostly use descriptive note titles in a pretty standard format to find notes. I'm sticking with Evernote. I don't intend to *use* my html backups. But having them as security in case they are necessary is reassuring.
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The benefit of it is that if you have many thousands of notes, there's no way to check and make sure all of them are there, intact, uncorrupted, etc. There have been many accounts of people losing notes or of notes not opening, etc etc, during the conversion. Having a full, accessible, easily navigable backup in the form of legacy Evernote, where you can easily search for your notes and check them against converted versions, double check search results, etc, is reassuring, especially during the transition, especially for people with thousands of notes who have relied on Evernote for many years and are very unhappy with this change. It has nothing to do with not using v.10. Those of us who are sticking with Evernote are going to use v.10, like it or not. I'm not going to sit around looking at Legacy every day. But it makes me feel better to know my almost two decades worth of notes are safe and preserved and accessible through the GUI I am familiar with, if necessary. You may not want or need this. That's your choice. But others clearly do find the effort invested to be worth it, and simply saying that it isn't is not helpful.
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Was this aimed at me? If so I'm not sure what you mean. I just asked the question, why, if someone wanted to maintain legacy firewalled off, they would have to reinstall it after installing v.10, since I did not have to reinstall it after installing v.10. I wondered if I was missing something. I had already started using the new version on iPad at least quite a while ago, so I'm assuming they my notes are all converted, and now I have it on my laptop too. Of course I haven't been able to open every note to check that they're all there and uncorrupted, so I will export everything from legacy to html, just in case, and possibly try firewalling legacy, though I am not confident about this.
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Is there a way to search specifically for tags? If you have many thousands of notes in a folder, and tag called something common like, I don't know, "car," searching for "car" could pull up a lot of notes that have the word car in them but aren't tagged "car." Though actually, now that I think about it, I don't really even know how Windows indexing works - what does it index and what can you search? File/folder name? Contents? Can you use search syntax?
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I don't understand what I've done then. Because until 2 days ago I was running only 6.25.1.9091 on my laptop. Following instructions I found here I copied my Evernote folder within the Evernote directory and also moved the location of the database. Then I installed the newest version 10. It did not uninstall 9091. I did not have to reinstall it. I can run them both.
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I have, much to my great disgust, finally downloaded new Evernote to my laptop (Windows) - I have had it on my ipad for a while. I'm not happy about it. I've had very poor luck with it on my iPad, frequently finding myself unable to pull up notes in searches that I know are there.and that come up readily when I search on my Android version (not updated). This is, right now, my major complaint (apart from the GUI, which has way too much wasted space for my taste), as I haven't had a chance to test it thoroughly - that I don't trust the search/indexing. Also, the instantaneous sync has not been so instantaneous for me, and I often feel the need for a sync button that isn't there. Anyway, I have been using Evernote for at least 15 years and have over 12,000 notes, and none of the alternatives fit my usage patterns well, so I'm going to find a way to adapt. I'm currently running the new version concurrently with a version that doesn't seem to be truly Legacy (no gray icon), but is an older version (9091). The one issue that has me extremely concerned and confused is backups. I've read everything I can find on these forums and am so unhappy about the fact that the notes don't reside on my local machine, as they did before, which gave me constant almost-real-time backup of my notes as long as I had multiple daily incremental backups of my machine. But now that's no longer the case,-so I have to find another backup solution, and it seems like the options are limited. I saw on a recent post that Backupery is retiring its Evernote product and will no longer support or update it. So it seems like that leaves Evernote-Backup as the only option (as I'm not counting the built-in Evernote options) - is that correct? Can someone explain exactly what evernote-backup backs up, beyond the note contents/titles/attachments? Does it also back up note meta-info, like tags, dates created & updated, source URLs for clipped web pages, etc.? And by some miracle does it preserve internal links? Does it back up all the note version info or just the current version of the note? I'm not sure any of this matters, since it appears to be the only option, but I still would like to know, and also just to confirm that I'm right that the notes aren't stored on the local machine anymore and so can't be backed up that way. Thanks!