Why does this title bar exist?

[Narnk 8]

What purpose does the title bar in Evernote Windows app serve? Isn't it a waste of space? Why can't the minimize, maximize, and close options be moved one step below to eliminate the title bar altogether. Apart of taking up space, the title bar also makes the app look ugly. Please consider removing it from the new Windows app that you are working on.

[jefito 5,589]

1 hour ago, Narnk said:

What purpose does the title bar in Evernote Windows app serve? Isn't it a waste of space? Why can't the minimize, maximize, and close options be moved one step below to eliminate the title bar altogether. Apart of taking up space, the title bar also makes the app look ugly. Please consider removing it from the new Windows app that you are working on.

This is pretty standard Windows stuff, is it not? I see it on lots of apps: Application icon + current document title on the left (current notebook context + current account + "Evernote", in Evernote's case), and windows operations (minimize, maximize and close) on the right. I see it in your image, too.  If you move the latter down, then there's then space above that would be wasted, and the common Windows controls would be in a non-standard location, a usability concern.

As I said, standard stuff.

[dcon 166]

31 minutes ago, jefito said:

As I said, standard stuff.

Once upon a time, we tried tweaking that caption. We finally convinced the designers that it was a monumental waste of time by pointing out the number of bugs over a 6 month period and the fact we still didn't have it quite right. Fighting standard Windows features is a sure way of not getting the program features you want! (because there's only so many hours in a day)

[Narnk 8]

1 hour ago, jefito said:

This is pretty standard Windows stuff, is it not? I see it on lots of apps: Application icon + current document title on the left (current notebook context + current account + "Evernote", in Evernote's case), and windows operations (minimize, maximize and close) on the right. I see it in your image, too.  If you move the latter down, then there's then space above that would be wasted, and the common Windows controls would be in a non-standard location, a usability concern.

As I said, standard stuff.

Won't it make sense to completely remove it by moving those three Windows buttons one step below? I don't know of the technical difficulties but asking it only from a design perspective. It appears to me like wasted space for those three buttons and the Evernote branding 

[Dave-in-Decatur 3,981]

1 hour ago, Narnk said:

Won't it make sense to completely remove it by moving those three Windows buttons one step below? I don't know of the technical difficulties but asking it only from a design perspective. It appears to me like wasted space for those three buttons and the Evernote branding 

@Narnk, you really need to address this concern to Microsoft. It's their design decision, not Evernote's. Out of curiosity, do you have any Windows programs that don't have those items in that location in the title bar?

[jefito 5,589]

1 hour ago, Narnk said:

Won't it make sense to completely remove it by moving those three Windows buttons one step below?

Not really, no. As I said before, moving it down a step below doesn't save any space, since the stuff on the left-hand side (notebook context, account name) would still be there. In other words, you're advocating that Evernote put in extra work of customizing standard Windows behavior for no actual gain.

1 hour ago, Narnk said:

I don't know of the technical difficulties but asking it only from a design perspective. It appears to me like wasted space for those three buttons and the Evernote branding 

Oh, so you're *not* actually talking about "three buttons", but the whole thing. OK, so the icon and the "Evernote" name are branding, sure, but the rest isn't, and the three buttons are standard UI elements for Windows. Design considerations need to take into account issues of usability, and not abiding by OS standards is one of those: you do it for a *very* good reason only.

But don't just take my word for it, @dcon, who posted above, was there, in the code. Short form: too much effort for too little gain.

[jefito 5,589]

3 hours ago, dcon said:

Fighting standard Windows features is a sure way of not getting the program features you want! (because there's only so many hours in a day)

I'm gonna get that tattoo!  

[John in Michigan USA 129]

@Narnk Windows itself offers ways to customize that title bar. You could probably make it smaller. You might even be able to turn it off? These settings would probably effect all Windows programs, it may not be app-specific. Try:

• https://support.microsoft.com/en-us
• https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/ look for "technet" and "MSDN" aka Microsoft Developer Network. I can't give you more specific URLs as Microsoft is apparently re-branding these services and their web address.