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  1. I speculated that Evernote may end up in Google's caring hands weeks ago in that monstrous thread that just refused to die. There's far more difference between Keep and Evernote than just the interface. Support for attachments is the biggest one, for me at least. Can't have a serious information manager without attachment support. There's also a number of interface quirks. Google has that tendency of unraveling a product with great fanfare, then letting it linger in shadows for years without development. It took years for Keep to get simple tags / labels, and there's still no such basic feature as integration with Google Drive. You can't search for a Keep note from Drive, and you can't search for a Drive document from Keep. That's in Google ecosystem that's supposed to be all about finding stuff. So Google snatching EN seems pretty logical - they get an established service with a large user base, and EN gets to survive. Of course Google is all about having access to your data... so some adjustments would have to be made. But this does seem like a very logical way out for EN.
  2. OneNote is tightly integrated with Outlook and a number of users who wouldn't pay $60 or so a year for Evernote Premium or OneNote alone would probably consider paying that to get MS Office and 1 TB of cloud storage on top of all OneNote functionality. Or, at some point, they will run out of free space and pay $24 / year for extra OneDrive storage. Or, some of them will buy a Surface because they are heavy ON users and ON is a central part of Surface experience. Or, they will just be more inclined to look at other MS products, or recommend them to others. There's a number of ways in which an essential service like ON may generate added revenue while remaining free. EN can't probably afford this model. And it's understandable. But their problem is not having an added value package that would compel more users to switch to a paid subscription even while there is so much free competition. Instead they are cutting services to free users and raising prices for paid ones without adding any more value to the product they provide. This is either a deliberate short term milking attempt or someone is smoking a very potent stuff.
  3. Non paying for the service that for many doesn't offer enough value over it's free competition. The same people may be spending enough money on Windows Store Apps, Xbox games and consoles, Office 360 subscription (that offers quite a bit of value, for whomever needs a full blown always up to date Office suite and 1 TB of cloud storage, plus free Evernote alternative, for about as much as EN Premium). Plus Bing searches. Plus potentially considering a Surface tablet which was pretty much designed around OneNote. Plus potentially at some point deciding to stick with Windows vs switching to Apple or Linux, or buying an Xbox over a PlayStation, because they are so invested in MS ecosystem, of which OneNote is now a major part. There's a good reason why about two years ago MS made OneNote for desktop free and started heavily developing and pushing it on all major platforms. Before that it was an excellent but rather obscure desktop product for about a decade. So I believe MS is salivating right now over all these non-paying EN users who are still likely to pay for games, store apps, and run Bing searches that bring ad money.
  4. http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/jul/04/france-electronic-spying-operation-nsa https://gigaom.com/2014/05/31/german-spies-want-400m-to-play-catch-up-with-the-nsa/ https://theintercept.com/2014/04/30/gchq-prism-nsa-fisa-unsupervised-access-snowden/ http://www.computing.co.uk/ctg/news/2276747/exposed-gchqs-secret-plan-to-tap-the-worlds-phone-and-internet-traffic http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/10/30/nsa-europeans-spying_n_4179632.html Just because they didn't get as much publicity, doesn't mean they aren't playing the same games. Actually until 9/11 the French were the most notorious for their brazen use of surveillance. Back in the early 2000 we were warned to not review any sensitive business documents while flying Air France and to remember that some of their air crew members were trained in fast reading the upside down text. And then of course you have the Chinese whose electronic data collection operation dwarfs even the NSA. I noticed that the Europeans are raised to believe that they have the best consumer protection laws, the best quality food, the best environmental standards etc. While there's much truth in it, a lot of this is also pure political marketing. E.g. in the wake of Volkswagen's emission scandal, some German newspapers described the US emission standards as "too tough" and "unrealistic" in order to explain why VW felt the need to cheat. While at the same time probably telling their citizens they had the best environmental laws in the world. A few years ago I had a friend living in Germany tell me she would never drink any Californian wine because it contained sulfites, wile the European wine didn't. Not only that, but she claimed that the evil American corporation force the Europeans to add sulfites to their wines sold in the US. All because the labels on the wine bottles destined for the US stated "contains sulfites" while the same wine sold in Europe didn't say that. Of course the real reason was that the US laws demanded mandatory labeling of sulfites, and the European laws didn't, at that time at least. The wine was exactly the same. Anyway, if you don't want your data read by someone you don't trust, don't put it in the cloud.
  5. Given that both XMind on the desktop and iThoughts on iOS support file attachments in nodes, rather easy. Drag & drop. You don't get a searcheable OCR inside that receipt. Same way you do it in Evernote. Actually multiple ways - see the screenshot from iOS client (I use it much more often than the desktop, simply because my IPad Mini is always within reach). I can photo the receipt from inside ON and insert in the page as a searcheable image, which is exactly what I do with receipts. If I have an existing file (e.g. PDF), I have two ways to insert it - either as a searcheable "printout" on the ON page (I.e.every page of that file is searcheable, visible and readable in ON), or as a file attachment (no searches inside file, takes much less screen real estate). I pick whatever method I need - e.g. for credit card statements, there's no reason for me to search inside, so I use the file attachment method to minimize the amount of scrolling. Inserting any kind of document can be done either from another program by "sending" or "printing" that file to ON, or from within ON. There's also an option to email to "me@onenote.com" email address, in which case it saves the email with all attachments as a new page in a preset default location (notebook / section). The second screenshot shows the same file inserted both ways, as an attachment and as a searcheable printout.
  6. If it works for you, great. To me, this is not the same as a structured, visually organized way to present data. In this respect I prefer a mind mapper to One Note and One Note to Evernote.
  7. Well, no single tool works for all. Most of the PDF's that I need to search would be below 100 pages. And a limitation of OneNote is that you can't search inside encrypted and locked sections without unlocking them (which kind of makes sense from a security perspective). However you can encrypt individual sections, which is a very useful approach. Don't own Mac so don't know about OneNote for Mac, there's however a very well featured OneNote client for Mac called Outline+. I used it on iOS before MS started putting the features I was missing into their native client. The Outline+ had several advantages over Onenote, one being the ability to sync from Dropbox or some other cloud services. If I bought a Mac I'd seriously start looking into O+. As for the offline support for mobile - Onenote downloads the entire file so it's always offline. Onedrive and GD do only allow individual files to be "offlined" to mobile, which may be a problem if you need thousands of them.
  8. Well, I've had a long journey finding information management product that I like. I have the following criteria: 1) Ease of adding various kinds of data 2) Ease of finding it 3) Ability to access and edit your info across various systems and devices. Especially Windows - iOS - Android, but Linux is a plus. 4) An online client is a bonus, for when I have to access my data from a locked down station at work 5) Ability to access data offline 6) Planning tools 7) Organized structure 8) Low cost or better else free. 9) Secure (ability to encrypt your data individually) So in my experience: A. Evernote - great on ##1, 2, 3 ,4, somewhat good on 8 if you accept the limitations of a free version. #9 was unavailable in a free version, don't know about paid one. A way around this would be to encrypt your data via a 3rd party tool (e.g. a KeePass database, or just inside an AES encrypted zip file if it's something not super sensitive - like a credit card statement) and then upload it. But couldn't get past #6 and 7. I had a huge steaming pile of data that I didn't even know about and I felt lost, even with all the tagging. B. OneNote - this is what I am using now, after Microsoft started putting some real effort into pushing it across platforms. Kudos to them, they did some great work especially on iOS client. It's very well done. Android client is OK, good features but I don't quite like the interface. Handwriting is very useful, although I prefer other apps for that. And of course there's their web client. To me ON has all of the advantages of EN, + great #7, #5, #9 and some ability for #6. And the Outlook integration is good. C. Before committing to OneNote, I used a mind mapping approach - a free Xmind client on Windows, a paid ($9 or so) iThoughs apps on iOS, and a free version of Mindmeister on Android. The strongest part of this approach was #6, planning. There's simply no better way to plan your project than using a mind map, especially with Xmind and iThought's ability to zoom in on various topics. #9 would be done via same 3rd party approach (although the paid version of Xmind has encryption). As a data gathering tool it was also decent, although there were several major reasons I gave up on it: no advance search / filtering on the desktop unless I paid for a full blown Xmind client (although iThoughts did provide good search), no search inside PDF files, no attachments access on Android (although I didn't spend enough time trying to find a better Android client), and no online cloud client. However as I said, the planning feature and organizational features were great and even better than Onenote's. D. This is kind of an obvious and easiest solution that for some reason most people seem to not get. Google Drive or OneDrive. Just save your documents there. You get OCR search inside PDFs and jpegs, you get organizational structure via file folders, and you get offline abilities. And obviously it's a cross platform solution since it can be accessed on any web connected device. Same approach to encryption - encrypt it before you upload it. If I ever start having problems with ON I will most likely just move all my info to OneDrive (only because I prefer Online Office to Google Docs).
  9. After years of using Evernote, I threw in the towel and went to OneNote. They are very different tools doing essentially the same thing. My reasons, in no particular order: - Evernote is a huge box with info somewhere inside, in a huge pile. To find that info, I had to remember that it was even there. Also, I had to make sure every new record was tagged. That tagging, on the fly, took just too much time. Onenote is a set of neatly organized notebooks. All new records by default go into the default "quick notes" section, and I can later move them around when I have time and inclination. I can see the not yet organized records as I open the notebook. I can also see the entire structure of my records, without having to actually read them. - I primarily use iPad for working with my data. Onenote for iPad used to suck but it's been aggressively developed and is now full of features. With latest update, I can draw or write on pictures, I can place text and files anywhere in the note, I can finally export the entire page as a PDF file. Evernote is a bit harder to annotate, and does not have a similar full set of features to take notes in. - With Onenote, I can AES encrypt any section of any notebook right from my iPad (it has to be unlocked before it can be searched). With Evernote free, I had to encrypt every document individually before uploading it. If I understand it correctly, Premium version encrypts the whole database. - Onenote for PC is one amazing application (I have a full version, $10 through my employer). Easily the best app MS ever came up with. Unfortunately some of the better functionality such as searchable tags or collapsible outline structure did not yet make it to iOS. In years of using Onenote alongside Evernote (I always kept my ongoing projects in it, since the structured outline form is perfect for this) I've never had any issues with losing data. I have a strong suspicion that some of the records I put in Evernote are no longer there, but I am not 100% sure that I did have them. Evernote has it's own strong points: - Ability to specify what data is cached locally. The fact that MS feels it must cache the entire file on your device is a serious drawback for mobile phone users on a data plan. I go around this by breaking my data into manageable sized notebooks and pre-syncing them at home on wifi, this way if I ever need to update something while on mobile network I only have to sync a chunk of my data. - A better web client. I think MS Onenote web client is clunky and slow, at least from my work. - I did not have much luck emailing records to Onenote. - iOS client does not allow creating Reminders or setting up alarms. In the end, though, it was the organizational structure of Onenote and the features in it's iOS and desktop apps that made me make a switch. AFAIK, Onenote for iOS developers are working on Dropbox sync, which should be a good feature for some.
  10. So, I decided to try Onenote for iOS and converted a couple dozen files I work with most often into it. What works (specifically on the mobile version): - offline access to everything. Of course this comes at the expense of storage space. - OCR search in PDFs and pictures with text. A limitation - this only seems to work on content added on the desktop. - so far, sync has been fast and without problems. But I've been only using it for two days. - of course great formatting What doesn't work or only partially works: - tags can be added but not searched. Going around this by simply typing tags into the body of a note. - OneNote doesn't appear in the "open in.." list. To add a PDF file to it I need to use desktop or take a screenshot. This is an annoying limitation, hopefully they will fix it in the next release. - password protection doesn't work - While iOS iPad application is nice, Android phone app is very basic. But has the functions I need. So, is it enough for me to switch from Evernote ? I will see how it performs over the next few months. If I was a heavy EN user, $45 a year wouldn't be a problem, however I still can't warm up to it's interface, and OneNote functionality is very nice and free. And this $45... The other way to look at it is, it's a new 32 GB iPad every 10 years, or at the rate I upgrade, every 4th tablet I buy I give to Evernote, just so that I could find that receipt a year later.
  11. Actually, you can get most of the Premium features for free with OneNote now. Offline mode on phones and tablets - check.OCR and search in PDFs - check.Password protection - check (I haven't looked if it's encrypted but I assume it is, given that Excel password protected files are encrypted).On top of this, a killer formatting tool. A disadvantage is the size - on the iPad, it's one hefty sucker, taking up half a gig. But, it beats $45/year. The only reason I didn't switch to OneNote is that I don't use EN much to begin with, and don't have time to invest into moving all of my data into OneNote. However, I will start looking into it once I get free time; a big advantage is that all OneNote files are stored in OneDrive and not on some server that I have no direct access to. I can copy files manually if for whatever reason I don't want to sync them & want to only have a local copy on some machine.
  12. One of the strength of OneNote is Outlook integration - you can create Outlook tasks from OneNote items with a single click, you can link meeting notes to Calendar events (again, with a single click), etc. Also, it's available offline for free on every device (this could also be a problem if your notes are huge). One Note tags are imho better than Evernote tags, once you get the hang of them. It also has the killer feature of automatic OCR on PDFs, like Evernote. The inability to send a note to others from the program kills it for me. I use EN for meetings sometimes and like being able to send the note in email. Onedrive is blocked at many companies and so is EN, but at least EN lets you send the notes directly from the mobile. I do keep it in the back of my mind... it's got best formatting features, great organizing features, offline mode on the mobile, and is free... plus it's greatly integrated on the desktop.
  13. It depends what you use it for, to me it is a nice service but too much for Premium. Offline access - I get this for free with Springpad. I use Springpad for stuff I need offline access to, like shopping lists or things I have to act on in the intermediate future. Evernote is a dumping place for long term storage.Password lock - sorry, I simply don't trust Evernote (or any other cloud solution) to keep my data safe. I assume whatever I put there can be accessed by someone else. If I have something to protect, I will do it on my end before uploading it to Evernote. That's what encrypted files are for.Limits - I don't ever hit them.I wish EN had an intermediate paid plan, say $10 a year for offline access with somewhat increased upload limit. Heck, even $20. At $45, that's just too much to justify. I can afford it, but it's not worth it - for me. I think EN is losing $$$ by not offering cheaper yearly plans with lesser storage than the current one. As to the Office Suite being the competition - I don't get this comparison. In my experience, most people who pay for it mainly need the power of Excel, with macro support and online storage, and perhaps Powerpoint. Something that is hard to get for free, combined with ease of online access (Open Office and LibreOffice are great free standalone packages, but don't replace MS Office if you have to collaborate with others). Free online word processors are plentiful, and Evernote is a rather sucky one.
  14. OneNote is a tremendously powerful tool to organize bits and snippets of various types of information and link them back to Offce products (Outlook tasks, appointments, excel spreadsheets etc.) The drawbacks are the file size, the way it forces you to use SkyDrive, and lack of native handwriting support on Android (the Android platform app is a bit limited). So if you don't need all of the bells and whistles, Evernote is simpler, easier to use and more truly cross-platform. OneNote is much more powerful, it's just that all of that power is not needed by most users. It's more of a corporate tool. But one heck of a corporate tool.
  15. I had to move my project info to OneNote. It's impossible to quickly work with large amounts of info in Evernote, the sections can't be collapsed, finding something quickly in a large note is a PITA. The biggest problem are screenshots (we use web collaboration software for meetings and being able to take screenshots of presenter's screen is essential), in Evernote they tend to take up the entire screen space after a while and just kill the usefulness, while in OneNote they can be collapsed into the outline and only opened up when needed. I still keep personal stuff in Evernote just because I like the openness of it, but I did not buy a Premium subscription as I was planning on doing. I hate to say it but as an application OneNote is miles above Evernote, with three major advantages being outlining with collapsible structure, seamless Outlook task integration, and ability to place bits of info anywhere on screen. As service though Evernote shines. I just wish they fixed their front end client. A one approach to still have this (sort of) in Evernote would be to keep info in a Word document (used in Outline view) and upload it to Evernote whenever you edit contents. This would have to be in Word 2007 .doc format as .docx has problems rendering graphics in outline. This is however too much work when OneNote is so seamless. Evernote, please listen to your customers and fix the outlining !
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